Lead Paint Safety: What You Need to Know

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Subject: lowes failed to perform lead removal

Hello I am seeking advice on if I should continue with a complaint I have against lowes hardware. I recently purchase replacement windows. I knew that my home would test positive for lead paint so when they said it would be an extra $500 to remove it I was not shocked. After the contractors were almost done with the job I noticed that there was no extra plastic or vacumes picking up the paint. I asked one of the workers and he said they were not made aware of the lead paint. So I immediately called lowes and told them. After a few days they verified the work had not been done and they would credit me back the $500. As I was still very concerned about the health and danger of trying to pick up the lead paint by myself I felt I should be compensated more for the failure. After complaining to many corporate individuals at lowes' all I received for this trouble was a $150 store credit where I had to spend more money. Any suggestions on what I should do or pursue? Or is it a lost cause and I just need to drop it. thank you

Sheila Schwabe

Subject: Test Your Children for Lead

The Lead-Safe Checklist is missing one very important step: Get your children tested for lead poisoning. Federal mandates require all Medicaid-eligible children to be tested for lead at ages 1 and 2, when children are most vulnerable to permanent brain damage from inhaling or ingesting lead dust. The American Academy of Pediatrics recommends that ALL children be tested at ages 1 and 2. Lead poisoning does not discriminate, and a blood test is the only way to know if your child has been exposed.

Paul Pogue
Paul F. P. Pogue

Subject: We certainly agree

Thanks for your comments! The checklist was specifically focused on the details of the RRP rule to ensure contractors follow lead-safe work practices in the home. We agree that lead testing is important for children. My colleague Cynthia Wilson wrote an excellent, detailed article on the medical concerns of lead paint and discusses the importance of testing at https://www.angieslist.com/articles/lead-poisoning-still-health-threat-many-families.htm
 
Paul F. P. Pogue
Shawn McCadden

Subject: Clarification

From what I read in the article Angie's List will still allow contractors who violate the RRP rule to continue to offer other services on Angie's List. Do I have that right? And if I do, can you explain why Angie's List would allow them to do so if they show a history of illegal activity?

Also, if the purpose is lead paint removal, an RRP certified firm cannot perform lead removal. Lead removal is different than lead safe remodeling. Lead removal must be done by someone licensed to do so. I suggest you clarify that important detail in the article under the sub-heading "Need lead paint removal? Ask for certification"

Diana Lamirand
Diana Lamirand

Subject: Hi Shawn,

Hi Shawn,

I'm Angie's List Managing Editor Diana Lamirand. We ask companies on Angie's List to attest to their compliance with trade licensing laws, as well as the EPA’s RRP, and whenever a question about that compliance is brought to our attention we conduct an on-demand audit. For any contractor who performs this type of work and fails to provide proof of EPA certification, we exclude them indefinitely from category and keyword searches on the List and add a notice to alert Angie’s List members. These companies also are prohibited from advertising on Angie's List. You are correct that lead abatement is a separate issue from the RRP. We didn't get into it because abatement is outside the scope of this article, which is about lead-safe remodeling. Homeowners looking for lead abatement or remediation do indeed need to hire contractors that are licensed and certified in that specific field. Such work is covered under different licensing codes and frequently regulated by the states. We've updated the section's heading to better reflect this information. We appreciate your feedback!

 

 

Catherine Brooks Eco-Strip

Subject: Lead Paint Danger

This is a fantastic series of articles on lead paint's impact on homeowners' families and what they should do to prevent its irreversible damage. The photos of EPA-certified contractors protecting themselves with safety gear and protecting building occupants by containing toxic lead dust are particularly useful. Homeowners need to know what they should require of their contractors remodeling their old homes. These photos and detailed articles do that well. Each linked article tells more of the story in down-to-earth language. Kudos, Angie's List for showing your commitment to your users' healthy and safe regarding lead-safe work practices.

Paul Pogue
Paul F. P. Pogue

Subject: Thanks!

We appreciate your thoughts a great deal! We definitely wanted to show homeowners in detail the kinds of practices they should be looking for. -- 

 

Paul F. P. Pogue

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I second the original question (still unanswered). Speaking as someone who logged in today to try to find an attorney, I see this category as one that's exactly what I have my Angie's List membership for:

1. It's important that I find a good one
2. I'm not an expert enough to know myself who is a good one
3. The industry is full of advertisements and misinformation
4. I wish I knew what experiences other people have had


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I don't care about lawns--I planted mine in clover and don't have to mow it. When I do need to mow I use a rotary Fiskars mower, which is great--or a scythe. That's right--a scythe (the European type, which is smaller, and it's very good exercise). Gas-powered mowers, chemical fertilizers and weed killers--all nasty stuff that gets into everyone's air, soil, and water. I'm sure my neighbor doesn't like my wildflowers, semi-wild pockets of fruit bushes, and unmown areas and yes, dandelions (I have 10 acres) but that's too bad. It's better habitat for wildlife, especially the pollinators on which our food supply depends. I think this obsession with the Great American Lawn is a waste of time and resources. Plant some food instead.


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I'm not sure Angie et. al. want you to have a complete answer to this question. By re-subscribing at the Indiana State Fair in 2012, I think I paid $20.00 per year for a multi- year subscription. Maybe even less. At the other extreme--and I hope my memory isn't faulty about this--I think the price, for my area, for ONE year was an outrageous $70.00. And they debited me automatically without warning. I had to opt out of that automatic charge. I like Angie's List, but if some of the companies they monitor behaved the way they do in this respect, they'd be on some sort of Pages of Unhappiness. I'll be interested to see if this comment gets published or censored out of existence.
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That's very difficult to answer without seeing the house. As one poster said, the prep is the most important part. On newer homes that don't have a lot of peeling paint, the prep can be very minimal even as low as a couple or a few hundred dollars for the prep labor.

On a 100 year old home with 12 coats of peeling paint on it, then the prep costs can be very high and can easily exceed 50% of the job's labor cost.

A 2100 sq ft two story home could easily cost $1000 just for the labor to prep for the paint job. That number could climb too. Throw in lots of caullking  or window glazing, and you could be talking a couple or a few hundred dollars more for labor.

Painting that home with one coat of paint and a different color on the trim could run roughly $1000 or more just for labor. Add a second coat  and that could cost close to another $1000 for labor.

For paint, you may need 20 gallons of paint. You can pay from $30-$70 for a gallon of good quality exterior paint. The manufacturer of the paint should be specified in any painting contract. Otherwise, the contractor could bid at a Sherwin-Williams $60 per gallon paint and then paint the house with $35 Valspar and pocket the difference. $25 dollars per gallon times 20 gallons? That's a pretty penny too.

That was the long answer to your question. The short answer is $2000 to $4000 and up, depending upon the amount of prep, the number of coats, the amount of trim, and the paint used.