Villa and staff, Mexico (LOC)

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Villa and staff, Mexico

[between ca. 1910 and ca. 1915]

1 negative : glass ; 5 x 7 in. or smaller.

Notes:
 Title from data provided by the Bain News Service on the negative.
Photo shows Francisco "Pancho" Villa at the "X" and Calixto Contreras (4th from right). (Source: Flickr Commons project, 2009)
Forms part of: George Grantham Bain Collection (Library of Congress).

Subjects:
 Mexico

Format: Glass negatives.

Rights Info: No known restrictions on publication.

Repository: Library of Congress, Prints and Photographs Division, Washington, D.C. 20540 USA, hdl.loc.gov/loc.pnp/pp.print

General information about the Bain Collection is available at hdl.loc.gov/loc.pnp/pp.ggbain

Persistent URL: hdl.loc.gov/loc.pnp/ggbain.10234

Call Number: LC-B2- 2377-5

Comments and faves

  1. ★

    gibb626, gazelem67, gonzaloh, vanjayal, and 73 other people added this photo to their favorites.

  2. arredomi (56 months ago | reply)

    Hi, I'm an admin for a group called Mexico Magico, and we'd love to have your photo added to the group.

  3. Jorge Cortes Mx (50 months ago | reply)

    Villa tuvo muchos hijos con varias mujeres. Su última hija acaba de fallecer en Querétaro, a los 93 años: Socorro Arango Díaz.

  4. Luis Carrandi (47 months ago | reply)

    In the down side of the pic we can read a tag "Fco. Villa y Estado Mayor" they was named "Los Dorados de Villa" (Villa's Golden Warriors)

  5. Knight Kadosh (42 months ago | reply)

    Estoy de acuerdo con el nombre sobre "Los Dorados de Villa".
    Pero antes de ser los Dorados, Villa estaba ubicado entre ser un bandido o un revolucionario. Se creo la división del Norte y el grupo de los Dorados, cuando Villa paso a ser un Revolucionario formal, dentro del ejercito organizado de la revolución. Los Dorados usaban ya uniforme miltar de la época y no ropa de cilviles.

  6. Chris Hernandez (41 months ago | reply)

    i have a print of this exact negative that has been cropped, however on the print that i have, Villa's crotch does not have a water stain on it. How can we request the LOC restore this and make a new one available?

  7. Barbara (LOC P&P) (41 months ago | reply)

    Chris Hernandez: I wasn't sure whether you were saying that your print is a reproduction from the Library of Congress collections or that you have a print from somewhere else. If it was obtained from the Library of Congress, it would be surprising if it were cropped unless you (or the person who originally requested it) asked to have it cropped. That makes me wonder if your print might have been printed from a variant negative. I notice, for instance, that we seem to have a very close variant, viewable in our online catalog at: http://hdl.loc.gov/loc.pnp/ggbain.29882. It doesn't exactly look cropped to me, but it does seem to show what appears to be a glimmer of sunlight, rather than a water stain, in the region you mention.

    I'm assuming when you ask about restoring, you are suggesting that we alter our digital file. Our practice when we digitize is to try to represent the artifact as faithfully as possible for the sake of both research and preservation. Original negatives often exhibit signs of deterioration, and we do not attempt to correct those flaws in the scanning process. With images such as this, which have "no known copyright restrictions," people may choose to alter or adjust the file when they use it.

    Please let me know if I haven't understood your question. It sent me on an interesting exploration of Mexican Revolution images in the Bain Collection!

  8. Chris Hernandez (41 months ago | reply)

    wow i didn't expect you to go this far. The print my family has is a print purchased either in Guadalajara or Mexico City by a friend of my family. It appears that ours is a crop from another variant negative. I just wanted to point out that ours does not have a liquid stain on Villa's crotch. I also noticed the swirls in the lower right area of this image shown here. I'm sorry, I assumed this was the only negative available and thought that it was either damaged or soiled after our print was produced, and simply lacked cleaning. Thanks for your attention.

  9. armando moncada (40 months ago | reply)

    El cuarto de izquierda a derecha es Calixto Contreras, de Durango, por entonces jefe del estado mayor de Villa y uno de sus principales generales posteriormente.
    Efectivamente, en el tiempo en que fue tomada la foto, aun no se formaba la Div. del Norte, por lo que todavia no se llamaban los Dorados.

  10. Anne (LOC P&P) (40 months ago | reply)

    armando moncado: Thanks for the additional information. We'll add the names to our description next time we update the record.

  11. phoppernowlin (33 months ago | reply)

    Excellent.

  12. José Reséndiz (31 months ago | reply)

    Hi, I'm an admin for a group called México de Mis Amores. "CONCURSO COLORES DE MEXICO", and we'd love to have this added to the group!

  13. This photo was invited and added to the México de Mis Amores. ("Postea y Comenta") group.

  14. José Reséndiz (30 months ago | reply)

    Esta fotografía representa a...

    México de Mis Amores
    Gracias por participar en nuestro grupo.

    México de mis Amores

  15. jerodamor@yahoo.com.mx (21 months ago | reply)

    Have two pictures dated on may 5, 1911 (one of them says "Fotografía tomada en Ciudad Juárez Chihuahua, el 5 de mayo de 1911") in both you can see Villa wearing the same clothes, riding on horse back, calling your attention the charro hat (wide winged, embroided arround the edge). Maybe they couldn´t change clothes too often, but you easily can suppose the picture was taken during Ciudad Juarez siege wich ended with its take on may 10, 1911.
    Dr. Roberto Duarte

  16. jerodamor@yahoo.com.mx (20 months ago | reply)

    Watch call nr. 2377-5. Call nr 2377-4 is "Guarding Orosco´s Camp" , that likely locates both pictures by February 1911. As picture you mention above hdl.loc.gov/loc.pnp/ggbain.29882 in the right upper corner seems a date 1911/12/11?, and a call nr. written 5097-12 on the right border. By that time the revolutionary forces were payed off. Unless it is 1911|2 11 [February 11, 1911]. Villa después de haber sido derrotado el 13 de enero estableció su cuartel general en Satevó, Chihuahua, donde encontró a Fidel Ávila, y para principios de febrero estaba al frente de unos 700 hombres. En febrero Villa reinició actividades ocupando pacíficamente Santa Isabel el 7 u 8 de febrero. Ya entrado marzo se estableció en San Andrés, donde recibió un telegrama de Francisco I. Madero para que se le uniera en la Hacienda de Bustillos, a donde llegó alrededor del 29 de marzo de 1911.

  17. jerodamor@yahoo.com.mx (11 months ago | reply)

    If this picture is linked to
    hdl.loc.gov/loc.pnp/ggbain.10233
    call nr. LC-B2-2377-4 we may infer that was taken in Ochoa's Ranch, three miles from Samalayuca, about February 14, 1911.
    by that time Villa was a major (Orozco a colonel), a colonel (Orozco a general) at the most (Madero always appointed him a rank inferior to Orozco).
    The head above Calixto Contreras seems most likely to be Pascual Orozco Jr. By the hat, its
    color and tilt he used to wear.
    Dr. Roberto Duarte
    Plastic Surgeon

  18. jerodamor@yahoo.com.mx (11 months ago | reply)

    In SMU Central University Libraries there's a version of this picture
    Call Number Ag1982.0015
    Upload File Name ag1982_0015_006c_villa_estado_mayor.jpg
    Archival File Name(s) ag1982_0015_006r_villa_estado_mayor.tif; ag1982_0015_006v_villa_estado_mayor.tif
    Archival File Path ARCHIVE\DeGolyer\reproductions\Ag1982-0015
    On the right lower corner is type scratched "C C HARRIS FOTO". Most likely after Charles C.
    Harris.
    In Friederich Katz's "PANCHO VILLA" (English title "The Life and Times of Pancho Villa", 1998), 2007 reprinting Spanish version, page 126, writes:
    "Charles C. Harris era un fotógrafo estadounidense que pasó algún tiempo con las tropas revolucionarias y luego comunicó sus observaciones al cónsul de Estados Unidos en Chihuahua. Le habían impresionado el armamento de los revolucionarios, su disciplina y su ideología." (Harris comunicated his observations [suposedly made at Butillos Hacienda] to the consul by the end of March, 1911. The American Consul sent Mr. Harris' observations to the Department of State on March 29, 1911. State Department Files, 812.00-1222.)
    Dr. Roberto Duarte

  19. jerodamor@yahoo.com.mx (10 months ago | reply)

    In the Getty Research Institute this picture appears as
    gri_mexico_89_r_46_b16_33
    There is mentioned that Villa and staff are in Bustillos Hacienda.

  20. Arden (LOC P&P) (10 months ago | reply)

    jerodamor@yahoo.com.mx: Thank you for the additional information and for tracking down matching images in other libraries. We will add more details to our image description.

  21. glowcho (4 weeks ago | reply)

    I was interested in Pancho Villa's El Dorados. My mother and father were traveling in Mexico in the 1980's and visited the Pancho Villa museum (which was his house and was run by his then still living widow). My mother told me upon their return that they had come across a picture in the museum/house in which she recognized her uncle who was one of his El Dorados. Her uncle's last name was Copas. I am now trying to find out about her family. My mother has since passed and I have no idea if there are any family members left. Would you have any information regarding this? Any info at all would be greatly appreciated.

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