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Ask the Teachers

Posted: 05/07/2012 7:15 am

When I ask teachers why they teach, they almost always say that it is because they want to make a difference in the lives of children. They talk about the joys of teaching and the singular rewards of watching children learn. Often they mention former students who get in touch years after they graduate to thank them for their success.

Yet stories of lasting and life-changing teacher-student relationships contrast starkly with what teachers say when asked about their profession. In short order, they lament inadequate training, top-down reforms, teaching to the test, budget cuts and a lack of time to collaborate.

Teachers talk about the pernicious effects of poverty and family breakdown on their students and the long hours that teachers put in nights and weekends that go unrecognized and uncompensated. Most teachers still say they love teaching though they wouldn't mind a little more respect for their challenging work and a little less blame for America's educational shortcomings.

With half of new teachers quitting within five years, and with half of current teachers set to retire in the next ten, the need for dramatic change in the field of education is both urgent and timely. There's much underway and much more to be done, but whatever we do to strengthen and elevate the teaching profession, we should bear in mind that reforms that fail to heed the voice of teachers are doomed.

That's why, for the last six months, 16 active classroom teachers working temporarily for the U.S. Department of Education as Teacher Ambassador Fellows have been doing a lot of listening. They have held over 200 meetings with their colleagues across the country to help shape a proposed $5 billion competitive program of the Obama administration to strengthen and elevate the teaching profession. It is called the RESPECT Project, which stands for Recognizing Educational Success, Professional Excellence and Collaborative Teaching.

When we ask teachers how the profession should change, their ideas are grounded in everyday experience. Teachers say their schools of education did not adequately prepare them for the classroom. They would have welcomed more mentoring and feedback in their early years. They say that effective principals and engaged parents are essential to creating the right conditions for learning.

Teachers embrace accountability, but say the current generation of tests is stifling teacher creativity and student engagement. Most of the ones we have spoken with are not against testing per se, but they hope that new tests, now in development, will better measure critical thinking and student learning.

Teachers support evaluations based on multiple measures: student growth, classroom observation and feedback from peers and parents. They neither want evaluations that are overly reliant on basic fill-in-the bubble tests, nor do they want evaluations that ignore the impact of teachers on student learning.

Compensation is rarely the first thing teachers complain about but, with starting pay averaging around $39,000 and top pay averaging around $67,000, teachers are underpaid compared to other professions. Many top college students do not consider teaching because the pay is too low. Others leave because they can't support a family.

On performance pay, many teachers reject outright the idea of competing with their colleagues for bonuses, yet many also believe that great teaching -- especially in low-income schools -- should be financially rewarded. In Chicago, where I served as school CEO, a group of star teachers designed a performance pay program that rewarded all adults in the school, not just the teachers, for student gains.

Many teachers we have spoken with are open to changing rules around tenure. They think the bar for tenure should be higher. Many say it shouldn't be guaranteed for life. But they are equally adamant that without due process, teachers are at risk of being fired for reasons unrelated to performance.

Teachers are most excited by the idea of career pathways with differentiated roles that offer the opportunity to earn more money without having to leave the classroom and the job they love. For example, student teachers and recent graduates could apprentice with mentor teachers. As they prove their effectiveness, they could advance to new roles -- professional teachers, master teachers, and teacher leaders with increasing responsibility for running their schools and shaping curriculum.

What teachers say they want more than anything is time -- time to collaborate, plan lessons, improve their practice, and work one-on-one or in small groups with their students. Unfortunately, we shoehorn schooling into a too-short school day and year.

Nothing is more important than preparing our children to compete and succeed in the global economy. That means we need to make teaching not only one of America's most important professions, but also one of America's most valued profession.

America's teachers are hungry for comprehensive reform to their profession and they are ready to lead the change. Indeed, they are the only ones who can.

 

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When I ask teachers why they teach, they almost always say that it is because they want to make a difference in the lives of children. They talk about the joys of teaching and the singular rewards of ...
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10:51 AM on 05/14/2012
There are a lot of misinformed people out there. Don't believe all that you read. There are a lot of politicians who would like you to believe that public schools are failing. That's totally false information. Anyone can take numbers are manipulate them to make it seem like private and charter schools do a better job than public schools, but that is not true. Look up charter school scams via Google and see what's been going on at those campuses. Religious sects with ties to terrorist organizations overseas are opening schools and teaching your children with public funding. Look at the report that says charter schools are no better, but 37 percent are worse than public schools. And you can't compare private and public schools. Private schools have no accountability at all. They could teach basket weaving day after day and no one will stop them. No, get your head out of the clouds. The only way to make our country strong is to invest in our public schools. That means getting the politicians out and getting the teachers in.
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lisakaz2
Da ministero dell'interno di Snark.
11:07 PM on 05/13/2012
I like the concept of the RESPECT program but wonder why teachers are not in charge of any reform. This administration has listened to many "reformers" who wish only to pad the private sector in developing more multiple guess tests and "aids" to teaching to these tests, often to enhance the whole charter school program and yet more private profit. Treating students as well as teachers as cogs to be managed does not work and has not worked. Why is it that too often teachers are viewed as the enemy rather than a needed partner in the project of education?
10:57 PM on 05/13/2012
If Arne was really listening to teachers, he would resign immediately. I have never seen anyone talk out of both sides of their mouth like Arne. His pro-corporate policies do the exact opposite of everything he says. He is quite literally the worst thing that has ever happened to public education.
10:54 PM on 05/13/2012
I have never seen anyone talk out of both sides of their mouth like Arne Duncan. Any "accountability" system that relies on what has proven to be a faulty metric in any way at all is going to have negative results. Common sense dictates that children are not standardized. Yet Arne continues to make states and districts compete with each other for federal funding with the winners being those that are most willing to privatize and use high-stakes testing "accountability" measures.

If Arne was really listening to teachers, he would resign immediately.

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07:15 PM on 05/13/2012
Arne,
Spend a couple of minutes on Instagram searching such things as "testingsucks", "ihatetesting", "CSTs", etc. and look at the pictures of actual answer documents from State tests that kids have posted. Kids are spelling out words, drawing pictures, and making patterns with their answers. Teachers have no power over that, but that's what states are trying to use to evaluate teachers thanks to your ongoing policy failures and blind commitment to the illusion of valuable data coming out of those tests.
Ask the teachers?
They'll all say to ditch the tests. Those tests are only increasing state deficits by funneling more money into testing company pockets at the expense of the classroom. I'm sure most people would rather their children have access to updated books, clean restrooms, and computers from this century than another test score. Just to send the scores home to each of the 6 million students in California, the State has to pay over a million dollars in postage. What a waste!
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lisakaz2
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11:10 PM on 05/13/2012
Thank you. Yes, exactly. I know students in my grade level did that all the time. What good are these tests if students care so little for them and instructors care so little for them, except for being forced to spend time on them.
11:56 AM on 05/14/2012
Testing is enshrined in No Child Left Behind, another one of Bush's brainchildren. He put everything in it except funding. Duncan has to follow the law and cannot decree to avoid it. If you don't like testing, get new Congressmen that will vote to reform NCLB.
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OliverTwist
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06:34 PM on 05/13/2012
Don't you just love it when people who haven't got a clue about a process start suggesting metrics and benchmarks and timelines.
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Kate Perez
06:31 PM on 05/13/2012
Florida: starting salary - $36,000 per year. no pay raise in 5 years. Teachers with less than 3 years in can be bumped from their jobs by teachers with more years in. The former (less than 3) will never have a continuing contract (not tenure!) and have their job automatically advertised as open every single year of their careers. Principals MUST interview any teacher with more years in, who wants those positions. And, the state is wasting tax payer money trying to recruit teachers from other states to move here and sign up for this lousy deal. No, teachers are NOT valued by our society, and everyone knows it. Some will still do it for the love of education and the kids, but many will need to have a decent wage, some modicum of respect and - not tenure - but reasonable job security if they are doing a good job. It's our kids who will pay the price for this mess, and the testing companies who will benefit.
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OliverTwist
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06:12 PM on 05/13/2012
People - even successful people - who focus on the manufacture of young people with skills needed for the workplace and without other bothersome knowledge and who have never taught are not who we should be looking to for guidance on education.

Unfortunately they are the ones who are seeking to optimize training for the maximum return on the business dollar for the investment in worker training ---- including ---- as might reasonably be expected from such persons ----- the optimum training and rewarding of teachers.

Arne ought to go into the business of making physical things rather than stay in the business of making teachers into things.
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OliverTwist
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06:33 PM on 05/13/2012
Of course, if Arne takes my advice, It wouldn't be surprising if he went into the business of automated education --- making physical things into teachers.

So maybe we are better off if he just continues on with what he is doing now - screwing up education just a bit.
03:46 PM on 05/13/2012
Fine, Mr. Duncan. If you want to listen to teachers, listen to this one. Let's steer away from testing. It seems every couple of months time is taken out from teaching to once again test students. Some corporation somewhere is getting all the money school districts must fork out to buy, then grade these test. This money would be better used to lessen class sizes, to hire extra staff and materials to help struggling students AND to give teachers a pay raise. In WA state teachers haven't seen a pay raise in at least 15 years. Para-educators are still making only $32,000 a year and many of them have had to take on second jobs. You can't survive on $32G a year any more. How about help with our staggering student loan debts? My payments are over $600 a month. I had to sell one of my cars and take on a second job just to pay them. If you value teachers and education and really are listening to the teachers, instead of just giving us lip service, you will heed my recommendations.
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06:06 PM on 05/13/2012
Arne Duncan is just another politician. He can't help education.
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Ally Solver
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03:10 PM on 05/13/2012
The American school system is failing. Everybody wants the system reformed their way. Well, one's way does not agree with two's way and three's way make contradicts both of them. None of their ways work. So, come up with another way; just not your way.

The system could be the best in the world for LESS money.

Censorship is evil.
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televisionsets
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12:32 PM on 05/13/2012
"Compensation is rarely the first thing teachers complain about but, with starting pay averaging around $39,000 and top pay averaging around $67,000, teachers are underpaid compared to other professions"

Hmm . . .

Top pay of $67k is not a reality in most places, it's much higher than that and of course you act like teachers don't have 3+ months of vacation every year.

http://www.sacbee.com/2011/01/26/995141/see-how-well-your-school-district.html
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Ally Solver
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02:59 PM on 05/13/2012
The quality of teachers is much lower than other professions.
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OliverTwist
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06:15 PM on 05/13/2012
Nah.
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OliverTwist
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06:35 PM on 05/13/2012
What does that even mean???
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06:10 PM on 05/13/2012
Teachers don't accumulate vacation days like classified employees who get sick leave, Personal Necessity leave and vacation leave days.
11:39 AM on 05/13/2012
I worked in schools in NY and NJ because not only did I want to improve the communication skills of my students, but also for the less exhaulted reasons of good salary, excellent benefits, and a schedule that allowed my husband & I to raise our children with enough family time to enjoy each other. Today's teachers won't get these same benefits - why are you so surprised that teaching has become so demoralizing? The only people interested in educational careers are those who want to be adminstrators becaue they will receive all those benefits I mentioned above. Surprise! One cannot be an effective administrator (from my personal experience) unless one has worked for a SIGNIFICANT time in schools as a teacher. Where do we go from here?
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doris french
Technically we are beyond survival?
02:58 PM on 05/13/2012
Teaching isn't the only profession where the benefits and pay are being lowered. Unfortunately you can have a job now with someone who has worked there 10 years and be making minimum wage with no benefits and the 10 employee can have benefits, make a lot more money and a retirement. How is that fair?
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OliverTwist
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06:17 PM on 05/13/2012
Begin Sarcasm>

Absolutely. As a new employee with no experience at that place you know as much or more than some old hand with ten years experience on you.

Yup.

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10:50 AM on 05/13/2012
"America's teachers are hungry for comprehensive reform to their profession and they are ready to lead the change. Indeed, they are the only ones who can."

And yet, even though the US Secretary of Education calls for this change in the way we do business, teachers are held hostage by legislators and testing companies for most of the month of May and half of April. If you really believe this statement, prove it.
12:33 PM on 05/13/2012
Teachers are the least likely to want to reform anything from what I've seen.
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doris french
Technically we are beyond survival?
02:59 PM on 05/13/2012
Well you haven't seen much then.
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06:12 PM on 05/13/2012
How can teachers reform anything when teachers have no power?
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Ally Solver
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03:01 PM on 05/13/2012
If teachers are interested in education reform and really want to make a difference, they can unilaterally start by eliminating teachers' unions and tenure.
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tazmodious
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05:11 PM on 05/13/2012
Except that the problems stem from those who are making the decisions in education. The decision makers being publically elected officials and not teachers and administrators. The ones who are making all the decisions are the ones who know the least about education, unlike any other profession.

Until teachers and administrators (the people who actually know the job) get to call the shots there should be no budging on tenure and unions.
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06:14 PM on 05/13/2012
Okay teachers can unilaterally eliminate tenure and unions as long as all other professions are willing to give up their unions and their tenure.
10:35 AM on 05/13/2012
My wife taught for 30 years in two states and several school districts. Although she received many rewards, taught in experimental programs, was sought after my principals, she never went into administration because she was a "Teacher". I find it interesting that many "Administrators" who make teaching decisions did not like teaching. Then we have "experts" who are "educated fools" who claim to know exactly what the problem is. Then of course there are the politicians who are experts in everything and if not, they seek out the educated fools to tell them what the problems are. Most teachers are good teachers and there are only a few who are bad. Probably less bad ones than bad politicians. Any teacher that has spent 10 to 15 years in the profession can tell you what the problem is with our educational system. Just ask. Teacher salaries are a problem in many states because if you want to be a teacher your spouse better have a good paying job. Parents are a problem. Too many students in a classroom is a problem. Wanting the teacher to be everything is a problem (nurse, disabled instructor, friend, baby sitter, record keeper, controlling but kids having fun learning, child psychologist , social worker, and in charge of after hours functions. At home call parents, go to school to advance, grade papers, and develop a teaching plan for the next day that will challange the brightest student but keep the slowest student interested. Easy Job!
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doris french
Technically we are beyond survival?
03:00 PM on 05/13/2012
People don't seem to grasp the fact that with many (sometimes 30+) students in each class you just cannot do it all.