I understand there are a lot of questions regarding the incident yesterday that occurred on a Northwest flight from Amsterdam to Detroit.
Due to an ongoing investigation, there is little I can say here on the blog, but you can go to TSA.gov to read the official DHS statement from Secretary Napolitano. I am also providing the statement below.
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DHS Secretary Napolitano Statement on Northwest Flight 253
December 26, 20091:00 p.m. EST
"I am grateful to the passengers and crew aboard Northwest Flight 253 who reacted quickly and heroically to an incident that could have had tragic results. The Department of Homeland Security immediately put additional screening measures into place- for all domestic and international flights- to ensure the continued safety of the traveling public. We are also working closely with federal, state and local law enforcement on additional security measures, as well as our international partners on enhanced security at airports and on flights.
The American people should continue their planned holiday travel and, as always, be observant and aware of their surroundings and report any suspicious behavior or activity to law enforcement officials.
Passengers flying from international locations to U.S. destinations may notice additional security measures in place. These measures are designed to be unpredictable, so passengers should not expect to see the same thing everywhere. Due to the busy holiday travel season, both domestic and international travelers should allot extra time for check-in."
Thanks,
Blogger Bob
TSA Blog Team
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***Update - 12/28/09***
Please visit TSA.gov for our current Q&As and any additional updates. The most recent Q&As are pasted below.
Q: What additional security measures is TSA taking domestically?
A: TSA has a layered approach to security that allows us to surge resources as needed on a daily basis. We have the ability to quickly implement additional screening measures including explosive detection canine teams, law enforcement officers, gate screening, behavior detection and other measures both seen and unseen. Passengers should not expect to see the same thing at every airport.
Q: What additional security measures are being taken for international flights to U.S. destinations?
A: TSA issued a directive for additional security measures to be implemented for last point of departure international flights to the United States. Passengers flying into the United States from abroad can expect to see additional security measures at international airports such as increased gate screening including pat-downs and bag searches. During flight, passengers may be asked to follow flight crew instructions, such as stowing personal items, turning off electronic equipment and remaining seated during certain portions of the flight.
Q: Do passengers need to do anything differently to prepare for checkpoint security procedures? Has anything changed in terms of what passengers can bring in their carry-on or checked bags?
A: At this time, security checkpoint requirements for passengers departing U.S. airports remain the same. Passengers do not need to do anything differently, but they may notice additional security measures at the airport.
Q: Should passengers plan to arrive at airports earlier than normal?
A: Passengers traveling within the United States should give themselves extra time to check in and proceed through the security checkpoint before their flight, especially during the busy holiday travel season. TSA advises that passengers traveling on international flights to U.S. destinations allow extra time for security and arrive an additional hour earlier.
Q: How long will these measures remain in place?
A: TSA will continuously review these measures to ensure the highest levels of security.
Thanks,
Blogger Bob
TSA Blog Team
527 comments:
«Oldest ‹Older 401 – 527 of 527One sad aspect is that during this time of intense interest in TSA and their policies, this blog goes silent for days, undoing a huge amount of good will that this blog provided. I suspect it is not the holiday that is causing the silence.
This is the time that multiple posts per day would do far better than turtling.
TSA fail
again
So does this blog
not like anyone important reads it or cares
With this whole situation...this is rediculous all of the people on here talking trash about TSA. There hasnt been a incident on a flight TSA has had screened since it took over in 2001. TSA isnt world wide...its the united states screening force and when you guys can realize that im sure youll be like...oh yeah hmmm...I like the job TSA does and i feel grateful the government stepped in to create a safer aviation security. I would rather have them screen me than a private sector. The people on this blog only know about what the news tells them, however im sure everytime a gun,knife,bomb component is found it isnt reported on the news. these guys do a good job and im happy to have them around.
Isn't it interesting that Michael Chertoff's company has an interest in a company that make the whole body imaging machines and he's pressing for them to be more widely used.
To be fair, the TSA also has to deal with some pretty ridiculous proposals from Congress. These excerpts from a list of recommended ways to enhance our security come from the website of Rep. Pete King, who never met a civil liberty he couldn't curtail in the War on Terror:
http://www.house.gov/apps/list/speech/ny03_king/ptkrecs.html
Included are these gems:
5. END POLITICAL CORRECTNESS. Excessive concern about anti-Muslim discrimination has hobbled authorities, and prevented them from taking action on disturbing communications by Army Major Nidal Malik Hasan - the Fort Hood killer, King argues.
7. USE ETHNIC AND RELIGIOUS PROFILING OF MUSLIMS. "Odds are, a Scandinavian grandmother is not coming to bomb the U.S."
8. USE WATER BOARDING. "We did it three or five times and got a lot of information out of Khalid Sheik Mohamed. ... That has saved hundreds, if not thousands, of lives."
9. ADOPT FULL BODY SCANNING AT AIRPORTS. "There is a brief violation of privacy with the full body scan, but on the other hand, we can save thousands of lives," King said.
and the great catch-all
10. BE MORE SUSPICIOUS. Only 14,000 people are now on the "selectee" list, a subset of the nation's intelligence database that targets travelers for more careful searches at airports. More of the people from the big database should be selected for that level of closer scrutiny, King said.
How is the Department of Homeland Security supposed to put this bomber on a no -fly list when it is the CIA who has gathered the intelligence? Once again our national protection agencies are not sharing information and therefore not stopping the bad guys. The same thing happened a few weeks ago with the suspected bomber Zazi. In that case it was the FBI who believed he was a bad guy who wanted to attack the USA but the FBI didn’t think DHS should be told. Apparently the people who are supposed to be protecting the American people are more concerned with making the “big arrest” that they don’t actually do what is needed to protect the American people. I thought we learned our lesson after 9-11 but obviously the FBI, CIA, NSA and DHS are still not playing well with one another.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/12/16/white-house-intervenes-dispute-fbi-homeland-security/
TSA is a total waste of billions of taxpayer dollars. Terrorists can simply shoot down planes, place explosive devices in cargo, or come up with more creative ways that defeat the ever-growing laundry list of measures currently used. Spend the money on catching the terrorist before he gets to the plane (or building, or bus, or stadium....)
In the meantime, I plan to take the train from now on (at least until TSA starts interfering more there).
MY MOTHER WAS A FLIGHT ATTENDANT ON 253. (JOYCE KAUFMAN)
SHE WAS AND WILL ALWAYS BE NOTHING BUT PROFESSIONAL AND CARING FOR THE FLYING PUBLIC, ALSO AS FOR TSA THEY DONT RUN SECURITY IN AMS SO DONT BLAME THEM,FLIGHT ATTENDANTS GO THRU THE SAME SCREENING AS THE PASSENGERS BEFORE GOING TO THE GATES.
Save yourselves a whole lot of trouble and take Amtrak,Greyhound, Or drive where you need to go.
If your going overseas, take a ship.
Problem solved.
Why does the TSA think whole body imaging, instead of detecting explosives, is the way to catch these very rare nutcases? Just think of many false positives you would have with images of underwear bombers! Any sanitary napkin, adult diaper, incontinence pad or catheter would have to be personally inspected?? Come on!!
There are some great comments here; what is TSA doing to respond to these good folks? Explanations? Clarifications? Apologies? Bringing the writer into an advisory community?
Is it true the new next level of radio wave or weak x-ray machines do not effectively scan body cavities ? Why bother installing new equipment . As any dedicated bomber knows simply have associates work as airplane ,airport support cleaning staff or a restaurant, newsstand ,etc. employees - work positioned past check in .Airports are easy throw through it or launch it over the fence ;pick it up later areas.
Care to explain why your geniuses left a checkpoint at DFW unmanned and open Dec. 16? Oops!
http://www.kwtx.com/home/headlines/80464147.html
Can I suggest hiring trained and certified special agents to follow up on leads of suspicious activity involving serious security breaches, no fly and watch list subjects who actually fly, no return flight passengers, and felonious crimes on flights. These TSA special agents would liasion with the FBI, CIA, Federal Air Marshals, and local police.
Can TSA comment on whether we are really forbidden from wearing eyeglasses on flights into the US, as was told to Anonymous who posted on 12/29?
How does this possibly protect us?
Will airlines be providing boarding assistance to passengers who may not be able to locate their seats, or will they be sent to prison for causing trouble?
I wish that, just once, some terrorist would try something that you can only foil by upgrading the passengers to first class and giving them free drinks.
Over a week after this occured and still no statement from the TSA?
However the TSA appears to have bullied two bloggers and it sure looks like they bullied @flyingwithfish into publishing a fake tweet.
Is this America now? Where journalists are harassed and bullied, fake tweets under some one else's name are sent, but where terrorists get onto planes with explosives in their underpants?
Please, Please get the security correct. There has to be a way for people to be safe without having our genitals gropped by searchers, or having pretty close to nude pictures taken of us? If the puffer can (and years ago did) detect that I had gunpowder on me (had been target shooting the morning of a flight) wouldn't that detect PETN without all the intrusive body searches? Even wearing a skirt with my hands full with a baby, I still felt that search was pretty non-invasive.
What about medical equipment? Some people with diabetes use glucose meters. Will that passenger be allowed to use his/her meter in the last hour of the flight if he/she determines she/he needs to? What if the passenger has a CGMS with a remote sensor that starts beeping due to hypoglycemia and he needs to check the reading? Will that passenger be told no?
TSA Guidance for Passengers: Bend over!
The TSA's (Terrorist's Security Agency) recent response is beyond contempt. I recently cleared a security checkpoint in Vancouver International Airport. We were allow to carry only one item no larger that a small purse. Every passenger including small children were given full pat downs. While I was receiving my free relaxation message a Canada border services agent was busy going through my jacket pockets without even identifying the garment as mine, explaining the action, or asking my consent.
What's funny is that this treatment in only for flights from Canada and Mexico. Other international flights are much more lax on a Dec 30th flight from Japan there where no carry on restrictions and only a cursory baggage check and very brief and polity pat down.
TSA stands for Truly Stupid Administration. Soon, people will not be able to travel with boxers, briefs, or panties. The Government are full of Nut Jobs.
Anyone care to address the loss of a junior TSA G-mans notbook a few days ago?
http://www.boingboing.net/2010/01/03/report-tsa-special-a.html
How about the fact that an entire wing of the DFW airport was left unguarded for an hour last week?
Its just one comical failure after another when the TSA is involved. What exactly have we bought for our billions in taxes? How do we make this monster go away?
How's that terminal dump at Newark working out for you guys?
TSA new security measures are PERFECT! They do more to ensure that only terrorists would want to fly! I want to go to another continent this year, so I'll be checking out the cruise lines, I guess. We can always DRIVE to Miami again.
Brilliant... really freaking brilliant.
It's funny to me that everyone is getting angry over the "1 hour rule." First of all, if you've flown lately, you'd know that in the last part of the flight you have to put your seat upright and the fasten seatbelt sign is illuminated. You're items must be stowed safely under your seat or in the overhead compartment in preperation for landing. How is this any different? You are the people who get up and use the bathroom and then the rest of us have to hear the Flight Attendants call you out over the PA on the plane because you're the idiot who can't follow the rules!!! Second of all, if you've flow on a flight that takes less than 1.5 hours, the fasten seatbelt sign often stays on anyways. So, there doesn't seem to be an issue there either.
As for the FA who thinks she needs to become a babysitter... sorry to inform you but you already were a glorified babysitter/waitress. Accept it.
Bob, I'm going to need a clear and logical explanation as to how simply being Nigerian now makes any given individual a terror threat. There are more than 150 million Nigerians, millions of whom travel internationally on a regular basis without incident (and millions of whom aren't Islamic fundamentalists). Why should the TSA waste my tax dollars with unnecessary screening of people we have no rational basis to believe might be terrorists?
Setting aside the fact that a government agency discriminating against people purely on the basis of nationality is questionably constitutional, the TSA does realize what a headache they're going to cause by requiring persons of fourteen nationalities to undergo extra screening at every airport worldwide. Right?
OK, lets begin by telling everyone to get their facts straight before making ignorant posts. TSA has not "banned carry on luggage". TSA does not decide if people can take carry on luggage on an aircraft, or how much. Airlines decide what people can carry on a plane and what they can do while on board. TSA only decides what items can and can not be taken through a security checkpoint. Liquids and gels can be taken on an aircraft if they are purchased after the security checkpoint.
"I am perplexed, why the Sit Down for the last 60 minutes policy? What difference does 60 minutes make? 61 minutes, 62 minutes.
The problem came from Yemen, not the USA. Why be punitive to 85% of the traveling public for 1 man's mission?
I would like to the reasons behind this so I can share with my fellow air travelers next week.
Thank you."
For the 200th time: The last hour of an international flight is when the aircraft is over the US. This is when they want to bring the planes down, when they are over the US.
THOUGHTS said "First we have to take off our shoes and now we can't go to the bathroom and have to sit there with nothing on our laps? What a joke."
No, the joke is that you apparently do not believe your life is worth removing your shoes and sitting in your seat. The terrorists do not believe you are worth it either.
"Question: I am going to be flying domestically every week for the next couple of months and would like to know if I will have any hassles traveling with my protein and creatine powders. I will be taking my vitamins with me. In the past this wasn't a problem with labeled ziploc bags. Will this be a problem now? Does TSA have any documentation on their site?"
There is no "powder ban". It will probably be tested ( ziploc bags full of powder are sort of suspicious ), but the test will only take 2 minutes.
"How much can we save by eliminating the TSA? About $10 billion?"
That depends on how many people the terrorists kill without the protection. The government will lose the tax income, and the economy will be damaged severely, and,oh yes, PEOPLE WILL DIE. Sometimes there are more important things than money.
"I for one am sick of being lied to about "terror attacks" like the Christmas "jock strap bomber" and the "shoe bomber" of several years ago.
There are so many contradictions in the recent story, I'm not sure there really was a bomb, or if there was, that it wasn't set up by the CIA or some other US spook organization."
You figured it out. It's all one big government conspiracy to make your travel experience more cumbersome. Where were you when Kennedy was shot?
Ian said "Please send your agents to CDG in France to see how security can be done. The process was predictably lengthy, but the most surprising difference was the courtesy with which everyone was treated. The agents were unfaltering, and bilingually, polite to everyone. There was no shouting! No Hindi-speaking grannies being yelled at for not understanding they need to take off the scarf! No tantrums that someone didn't have their blue Customs form out in time (as happened when I came back through IAD).
All the security checkpoints were opening and functioning. Staff carefully distributed the queue amongst the checkpoints. At the additional checks for US bound flights there was more courtesy and good humour.
It was a refreshing change from the attitude (admittedly, improved) one gets at the TSA checkpoints here in the US."
Maybe that's because in their country they realize the importance of security and do not give their agents the hassel and attitudes you see displayed here, and they actually value being bilingual.
In this country everyone feels "inconvenienced" by security and outraged by anyone speaking languages other than theirs.
Here's an idea: Lets have communist central planning take over all private airline security. Central planning works so well. (NOT!)
TSA is a great and secure organization. Why is everyone 'beating up' our security officers? Doesn't everyone realize that this flight originated outside of the U.S.? Until other countries are 'on-board' and institute the same aviation security measure, there will always be a potential problem for fligths originating outside of our country. If it cost the U. S. taxpayer anything, it should be for whole body imaging technology. We must all remember, flying is a prvilige NOT a right. For all those who disagree, Greyhound Bus lines and car rental agencies are still in operation - our economy isn't that bad!!!!
I am hoping that the latest security blunder and resulting regulations do not excuse TSA employees working at airports from extending common human pleasantries and respect for passengers. In my experience, they feel entitled to be misserable and foul in an attempt to assert some sort of authority perceived or real. That makes the already difficult flying experience even more unpleasant and stressful. Please revisit this concept with all TSA airport employees. Often I feel treated less than an American traveling in my own country despite the actions of terrorists foreign or abroad. My suggestion is that TSA airport employees ease mounting tensions by being a little more courteous and pleasant. Simple solution to a very real, very common complaint.
I'll trust the skeptics at MIT before the experts of TSA, when it comes to the safety of the electronic strip search. A case of the cure being worse than the disease?
This fellow on Christmas bought a ticket for cash, one way, no baggage, what am I missing???
FYI, It is beyond ironic that the Flying with Fish blog (which got the subpoena treatment, the questionable tweeeting and the somehow destroyed computer repair courtesy of DHS) is on the blogroll on the TSA blog's right side.
LOLZ there.
PS... Is anyone there who's gonna start approving comments anytime soon?
I see the stories on the millimeter wave tech you are purchasing. Why is TSA wasting $ purchasing equipment which will not penetrate the skin, see an item in a skin fold, see through an adult diaper, etc. You are spending a lot of $ on false hope but not for the real innovative terrorists. The female Chechens gave a taste of things to come and it appears the system has mostly sit and hoped it would not happen. Now you can tell me that you can have a much more intrusive pat down but we know that politically the agency will not go after it, congress will not support it and either will the white house. Just admit that the current new tech is once again the wrong tech which half does the job. Purchase the right item to begin with folks and you will be able to really see what persons have on or in them.
If the TSA's goal is to destroy the airline industry, then you're doing a heck of a good job.
I would like to add one of the country that I believe has many muslims and terrorists around and it is the country of Indonesia. There are few islands there if I'm not mistaken they have their own training ground for Al Queda followers so whoever this going to...I encourage you folks do check up on that. I'm just tryin to help so that hopefully we can prevent any terrorist attacks incoming/outcoming from/to Indonesia. After all the things that these terrorists did, its just making me sick. Am just here to help a little.
I wanna know what we are suppose to if we have a weak bladder or other issues that would cause us to use the bathroom during the "hour" before landing. I also have knee issues which means I will need to stand alot, what do you suggest then
I think it's a sad testimony to the ineffectiveness of government agencies that an individual KNOWN to be a security threat by MULTIPLE agencies was allowed to board a US bound plane, and then the TSA responds by increasing MY costs and MY inconveniences in order to create the illusion that they're on top of the situation.
I am an American working in Nigeria and do not relish the prospect of going through the new “knee-jerk” reaction enhanced security when I fly home on leave in three weeks. In the past I have flown on the KLM flight out of Lagos to Amsterdam and would like to point out that ALL passengers getting onto the flights routinely have their hand luggage checked at the gate and are subjected to the magnetic wand (this is true for all of airlines I have flown out of Lagos on – BA, Lufthansa, Delta as the overall security at the airport is suspect – even though one does routinely go through the normal scanners and magnetic gate). I would assume the would-be bomber went through the same process and was not caught because the materials were in his pants where not even a routine pat-down would find them. So, what does our government mandate? Hand checks of carry on luggage and pat-downs? Unless pushed to the point where people would be filing sexual assault charges, these measures would not have caught the bomber. Thank you for making my life even more uncomfortable with no increase in my security (the Lagos airport is not well air conditioned, so sweaty and smelly is already the norm).
And how does the average Nigerian feel about the bombing attempt? They feel disgraced and don't understand it either; they don't hate America here - they all want to move there (those with money have second homes there).
- An American in Nigeria
ALL passengers are punished by rude procedure on US airports? Why? Because of some terrorist? I'll tell you what: They will always be there. They can cross the borders from Mexico or come on a boat. Or they are already inside US. Don't get paranoid and let people live in peace.
What will happened if we will not follow the rules?
Randy,
Good question. LGA stands for Liquids, Gels, Aerosols but is usually put in the order: LAGs.
Blog broke Bob?
It has become obvious that there is only one way to ensure that nobody smuggles dangerous materials aboard any airplane ever again: Body cavity searches for every passenger. THE PUBLIC DEMANDS IT!
Well, its January 4th now and I am still not allowed to bring a bag from Canada to the States. I fly out January 9th.
I don't know how you can call this "long term and sustainable" security measures. Does long term and sustainable mean that we really don't know what we can or can't bring on a plane, that we can't be comfortable on a plane, or that I may have to hold my pee for an hour?
I would expect more honesty and understanding in your news releases. For now, I guess that I just have to accept that what I am allowed to or not allowed to do when flying between Canada and the United States is a secret and I will just have to take my chances.
Annon Said: If you choose to fly, then you should be required to submit a DNA sample & Current photo, and documents proving who you are. Now on check in they should bounce the check-in information and against the information collected by TSA previously. That plus any input from other federal agencies would highlight those who need to be detained. Along with body scanners would go a long way in preventing incidents, plus catch allot criminals that are using fake documents.
December 30, 2009 3:28 PM
This is a sad comment. DNA profile, Body Image of all travelers (6 yr old boy, 14 yr old girl, etc.) Detain those "who need to be"?
Why not set up checkpoints in the streets or sidewalks to "check papers" of anyone who walks by?
There are other options that can make us safer. Screen all air cargo, Screen all workers at airports, every day. Use Puffer technology (after improved) to detect trace amounts of explosives.
It might be nice if the nominee to be director of the TSA was approved as well...
I just realized a real level of irony involved in this mess.
The passengers are being credited by the TSA as a "layer of security". That means the TSA can try to take credit for the passengers stopping the bombing.
Yet the TSA thinks these same passengers are all criminals who are not allowed to have more than 3 ounces of shampoo.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=972_1262283908
Hardly appropriate for minors and seems like an obese person could conceal contraband.
No updates to this blog at times in which passengers are truly confused about what to expect the TSA. Lovely.
Hello Bob? Paul? Anyone? Bueller?
Blah, blah, blah. Whine, whine, whine. Learn to spell. Learn the facts. Think before you speak. I understand that you're frustrated, and inconvenienced. But come on, there has never been NO security, so come up with solutions. I'm a TSO, and I'm willing to listen. Stop bashing me and help me help you. There has to be some intelligent conversation here. I love my job, even when you scream at me, and throw things at me, and spit on me (yes, they've all happened). I love my job when you come to me with your ticket in your mouth, and cough and sneeze in my face. I love my job when I have to repeat myself 20 times. I love my job when every action is questioned. It's ok. Because even with the stupid rules (and yes, I know there are some)and with the confusion and irritation, I know that I am doing the best I can with what I have to work with. And what I work with is you.
DHS, all concerned, chill riot, or disband for cause:
Flight 253 from Detroit was interrupted, by a deliberate, FAKE attack, not intended to actually destroy, but to cause review, as sympathy crimes are incited, severally, by rioters, illegally continuing at administration and courts.
UMAR the Nigerian was chosen for the non-attack, intended to warn, of need for dialog, since he resembles Ugandan MOSES MUSISI, an exhange student at former Awalt HS in Mtn.View, California, now MOUNTAIN VIEW HS, Truman and Bryant Aves.
In Spring, 1968, MOSES MUSISI administered ‘The MOSES TEST,’ known to radical Islam, at that time. Young Americans did not understand the significance, but Idi Amin used it for profiling, as much as Nixon did, since Nixon was about to be elected President, Fall 1968.
UMAR FAROUK ABDULMUTALLAB intended no casualties, but you have refused to notice how JEWS ARE FROM ETHIOPIA, HITLER WAS PART IRISH AND JEWISH, AND SO HE DIVERTED ATTACK FROM THE UK, TO INVADE RUSSIA, TO DELIBERATELY FAIL AT WAR, BY DEGREE, ALSO CONTROVERTING DEFENSE FOR D-DAY AND USE OF THE ME-262.
You may not assert Panmunjon and debt, to China, and threats, to all of us.
You may not tempt volcanoes, tsunamis, hazmats, nuclear bombs, unfair business practices, and riotous incitement, to coerce misconduct.
A Bakersfield, Calif., airport was temporarily shut down Tuesday after officials said a passenger's luggage tested positive for TNT. The suspicious material turned out to five bottles filled with honey.
Sounds like billions were well spent, the equipment can't tell the difference between TNT and Honey...
More silence. No new comments posted. Look like the blog is dead!
ARRESTING AND HANDCUFFING USA citizen and military blogger "Micheal Yon" because he would not tell a Seattle TSA agent how much he earns makes me feel so safe! TSA won't use commonsense profiling, but you will act like a Stalinist state apparatus with Usa citizens. HOW will knowing someone's income make us safer? Only the IRS has the right to ask us this. you guys are not inspiring confidence..
How are those face recognition systems we spent hundreds of millions on and epically failed? How about this new body scan tech that is destined to fleece us (us=taxpayer.. not the leeches who bilk us out of the money) for more millions? How about the fact a "terrorist" did almost identical activities 8 years ago and you still cant catch em. What are we paying you for? Airlines should be paying passengers for security. It is one thing to try and anticipate a NEW type of attack, but to fail miserably on one you already supposedly knew?!? Unless of course you were criminally complicit and it was an inside thing to scare the people for the new legislation coming up to take more freedom. Of course the government would not lie, they never have before right? They were correct about the WMD's that cost us freedoms, the biological weapons, BAH (Tuskegee Syphylis study, overthrow of HONEST democracy in Iran in 1953 and never saying sorry, etc.. etc... etc...). A natural born citizen, I am getting the heck out of this prison nation. Your Freedoms are a LIE, your fixes are a cancer to the true spirit of the founders of this nation. you (government) are all greedy, power hungry traitors to the ideas this country was founded on.
I was hoping for a bit of dialogue from TSA reps.
So much for hoping TSA would communicate with its prisoners.
"No, the joke is that you apparently do not believe your life is worth removing your shoes and sitting in your seat. The terrorists do not believe you are worth it either."
Removing shoes and staying in one's seat does precisely nothing to make anyone safer. TSA is a colossal waste of time.
It's astonishing how completely useless this blog is. No updates since December 28? Pathetic. And typical. What's wrong, not enough puppy post ideas to balance the multiple TSA failures that seem to be happening each and every day?
LOS ANGELES, Jan. 6, 2010
Exclusive: TSA Workers Caught Using Drugs http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/01/06/national/main6061326.shtml
OK BloggerBob, I guess we won't be hearing from you anytime soon. Come Groundhog Day, I predict you'll see the very large shadow of T.S.A. ineptitude and hide away for a couple more weeks. You guys just keep the hits coming, don't you?
LOS ANGELES, Jan. 6, 2010
Exclusive: TSA Workers Caught Using Drugs http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/01/06/national/
So TSA allows access to the sterile area of airports by TSA and other airport employees without 100% screening because they have had background checks.
How's that working out for ya Bob?
Oh and watch out for those Honey fumes. Seems they are dangerous!
Any comment on the latest gaffe? TSA agents being taken to the hospital for smelling honey?
Liquid panic, objects in laps panic, shoe panic, blogger panic... all the TSA does is panic and over-react, from the highest echelons of management to the lowliest TSO, you all react with the maximum of fear and prejudice.
Your organization is killing the airlines, it's hurting democracy, and it's undermining trust in government. Great job, you guys are truly American heroes.
So much for basic freedoms. Just forget about it. The terrorists have won. Liberty has lost.
We may as well bring all those soldiers home now and set up massive security barriers from coast to coast.
Anyone who wants in has to take off their shoes, get patted down, walk through a naked screening machine, undergo anal probing and hell, why not just put ALL Americans on the no fly list.
We're all suspected terrorists now.
Sure feels good to be an American.
The TSA and airport security in general is like trying to swat a fly with a nuclear warhead.
Basic screening for weapons and explosives for any domestic travel.
Anyone coming into the country from anywhere will be subjected to intense scrutiny.
I am just going to stop flying altogether as are many of my professional travelers.
Let the airlines go bankrupt and keep the terrorists over there where they belong. It's a very long swim.
Quote from Anonymous: "For the 200th time: The last hour of an international flight is when the aircraft is over the US. This is when they want to bring the planes down, when they are over the US."
And for the 201st time, the last hour isn't the only hour that a plane is in US airspace. That's only true on the coasts. Try flying in to Denver, Chicago, Houston, Salt Lake City, or any other international point in the middle of the country and it can be up to 3 hours in US airspace.
Even flying from Tokyo to Chicago, we flew in over Washington state and were in US airspace for almost 3 hours before landing.
Get your facts right.
By your logic, should we have to stay seated for longer on those flights?
Robert
PS - my word verification for this post in "unspin." How appropriate.
Come on now people! Would you get on a plane without TSA screening the people around you? I know I wouldn't.
Jamie * said...
Come on now people! Would you get on a plane without TSA screening the people around you? I know I wouldn't.
January 6, 2010 3:04 PM
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Given that what TSA calls screening today adds little to nothing for safety I would not hesitate to fly without benefit of TSA.
All of the airport employees including TSA have access to the so called sterile area without 100% screening.
All cargo loaded on passenger carrying aircraft is not screened.
And if you have read the news the last couple of months or so it is clear that TSA is pretty much incompetent.
But they do want to roll out their porno viewing machines for our kids.
They keep parents with children from taking bottled water on board to make formula.
They confiscate gel paks intended to keeps breast milk cold so it won't spoil.
They steal from our luggage.
Yeah, I'll take my chances with the terrorist. That has to be several million to one odds and I know my chances with TSA is a certainty.
Well, I was in the wrong place... here is the blog I was looking for.
Some people think privatization is the answer. At least with the government we have heads of departments who will be the topic of the news. Or members of the gov. worried about loosing votes. Look at Blackwater. That is privatization in action.
With that I'll take another persons advice, "watch what you say".
By the way, why are so many annonymous? Come on. Show yourselves.
I don't have an answer but it seems to me when you have a problem, go to an expert for help and advice. One word answer, Israel. AT least some of their tactics would help. Maybe minus those that infringe deeply. What does everyone want, safety or rights. Can you have both? Not totally.
One more thing, as Jon Stewart said, he did the exact, THE EXACT same thing as the shoe bomber. No coat, no luggage, paid over a thousand for the ticket, one way. etc....Once it's on the plane it's too late. (once in the airport it's too late). What can a marshall do other than jump on him/her before it actually goes off like the passengers do! The ridiculous stuff like the last hour thing etc. has to go. We just end up looking ridiculous to the rest of the world
Bob, any idea of when you'll begin answering your critics questions?
"Come on now people! Would you get on a plane without TSA screening the people around you? I know I wouldn't."
I would pay extra -- significantly extra -- to get on a plane with only pre-TSA levels of screening. The only things that have made air travel safer since 9/11 are hardened cockpit doors and the willingness of passengers and crew to fight attempted bombers and hijackers (the number of which, since 9/11, can be counted on one hand).
Can TSA comment on whether we are really forbidden from wearing eyeglasses on flights into the US, as was told to Anonymous who posted on 12/29?
How does this possibly protect us?
Will airlines be providing boarding assistance to passengers who may not be able to locate their seats, or will they be sent to prison for causing trouble?
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Ha, this is so stupid! Why would someone not be able to wear their eye glasses. Think about it people. Dumb!
To solve the problem of the intimidation factor of dogs sniffing the passengers groin. The dogs should be in a box with a cut out for their noses.The passengers would be required to make a 360 degree turn in front of the cutout. This way the passengers don't even see the dog and any chance of being bit by the dog is reduced.
Ha, this is so stupid! Why would someone not be able to wear their eye glasses. Think about it people. Dumb!
January 6, 2010 4:58 PM
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For the same dumb reason that people could not get out of their seats for the last hour of flight on international flights, could not have a book to read, could not get anything out of their carry-on.
All brought to you by TSA!
Dumb? Big Yeah!
Anonymous writes:
Ha, this is so stupid! Why would someone not be able to wear their eye glasses. Think about it people. Dumb!
Why are scissors with blades shorter than four inches permitted, while knives of blades shorter than four inches are forbidden? (Especially when you can easily turn a pair of scissors into two knives just by removing the screw in the middle?)
Why is it forbidden to bring metal table knives through a checkpoint, when those same table knives are available on-board aircraft as part of food service operations?
Why is an eight-inch screwdriver forbidden, but a four-inch screwdriver permitted?
Why is eight ounces of liquid water in a glass forbidden, while eight ounces of liquid water frozen into ice permitted?
I could go on, but I trust you see the point. There are many TSA policies right now that are seemingly arbitrary and irrational. Judging a rumor dealing with TSA based on its rationality is not a predictable way of judging its validity.
"Ha, this is so stupid! Why would someone not be able to wear their eye glasses. Think about it people. Dumb!"
Yes, just as dumb as making everyone remove their shoes or be strip-searched to get on a plane. Yet TSA does or wants to do both of those.
mbattery,
Blackwater is privatization in action? Blackwater is a company that would never even exist in a free market, as it lives entirely on government contracts. It's an example of corporatism, not privatization.
Privatization versus Sub-contracting
The "no fly" list should be elimated, and this we can dwork towards. The "no fly list" has nothing to do with security and everything to do with politics. It is well known that the 'no fly" list has been used as a form of political harassment against peace activitsts, anti-war protesters and others that have been outspoken against American policy. There are also a lot of Irish names on this infamous list. Why?
To "make the 'no fly' list fair" and not hurt innocent people would require a huge amount of intelligence into what persons pose a threat to airlines coming into the US.
What we should be doing is to place our focus on WHAT is on an airplane - and away from WHO is on the airplane. If the focus was on WHAT not WHO, the "underwear bomber" would not have gotten on the plane no matter what array of watch lists he was or was not on.
We will find that WHAT is on airplanes in vastly more important and easier to control than WHO is on airplanes..
http://news.yahoo.com/comics/lalo-alcaraz
Jan 6,2010
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Why Strip Search Machines should be outlawed.
Mike to Bob and the TSA Blog community,
Reading through the comments I am amazed at the extent to which adversarial relationships have been allowed to remain unresolved between TSA screeners and the flying public. I have some security background and believe that this is amazing distraction to the task in hand - catching people with INTENT to harm.
I also see little by way of realistic and constructive solutions offered in the comments by members of the flying public; and wrt TSA, the lack of response to 400 plus comments is definitely not in the spirit of the White House "Open Government Initiative". Actually, the computer mediated communication literature says that TSA is adding frustration to a public who are already becoming phobic towards what they feel as screener aggression.
The challenge, as I see it, is that TSA has allowed screening to become a high stress event for those with no intent to harm; and has created the necessary noise to mask those with intent - and the knowledge to exploit it.
Here is a de-stressing suggestion. Bob, I would very much appreciate your comments here!! You have my email.
Implement a pilot project that sets up a system with two security lines: a "fast track" and a "slow track". The "fast track" would be mechanical, impersonal and public, like the current system, but would shift people through who were low-risk on all indicators, including resilience to impersonal demands for information, even if it is felt to be intrusive; the "slow track" would be individualized, personal and private, like the El Al system. People could opt for either system on check-in.
People who are security phobic would probably go for the slow track system. However, people who appeared stressed on check-in should also be advised to go for the slow track. People on the watch list would be required to go slow track. The slow track screeners would be trained to differentiate between stress types; and the environment would be set up to reduce stress in those who were security phobic - generally, these people want the screener to know lots about them anyway, and are frustrated with screeners who will not listen to their fears. This should make it easier to identify the true from the false positives, plus make the experience more pleasant for those who are phobic. It should also allow TSA to edge in to an El Al-like system - which is what I would like to see...
Bob, you are missing an opportunity for constructive engagement on your own TSA Blog...
http://www.wisn.com/travelgetaways/22134762/detail.html
Merry Christmas from TSA.
You do realize PlayDoh has an odor that is distinguishable from plastic explosive? I've worked with enough of both to know the difference.
The least you paranoid nitwits can do is compensate this family for the Christmas present you stole from two young children. Shame on you for your outright paranoia.
Bob, when are you going to come out of hiding and say something?
Kirsty sez - "ARRESTING AND HANDCUFFING USA citizen and military blogger "Micheal Yon" because he would not tell a Seattle TSA agent how much he earns makes me feel so safe! TSA won't use commonsense profiling, but you will act like a Stalinist state apparatus with Usa citizens. HOW will knowing someone's income make us safer? Only the IRS has the right to ask us this. you guys are not inspiring confidence.."
This was not TSA, it was Customs.
West
TSA Blog Team
Playdoh?
Given that it is NOT forbidden but was taken, yes the TSA should buy the kid more Playdoh.
The scandals are mounting faster than you can spin them away. Is that why we're at almost 500 comments and no answers?
It doesn't appear that any of these comments or suggestions are really being taken seriously by TSA so this is just a venting exercise. Everyone must suffer to the same degree so that no specific group is targeted even though starting with a profile of known facts for past and present terrorists would make so much sense.
What is the TSA going to do to ensure that the people looking at the full-body scans aren't pedophiles?
Considering all the children that will be run through these scanners, it is likely to be an issue.
Anon said… The TSA's recent response is beyond contempt. I recently cleared a security checkpoint in Vancouver International Airport. We were allow to carry only one item no larger that a small purse.
You were screened is CANADA and you are complaining about the USA. Let me give you a geography lesson. CANADA is not in the USA! Stop complaining about how the US government screens people when you are angry at the way the Canadian government has screened you.
Failed again.The American public will have to give up some of their rights in order to stay safe. The problem is that we arn't much safer th before 9/11 I have worked for both-- private contractors and for TSA for 7 years. Unfortunatly we must become like Isreal and be Pre and not post active in our thinking.
If they try one thing and it works, why change.If we do catch them then you can bet they will find a new way to sacre us or worse yet kill us. All we do is show smoke and mirrors and the public is happy.
You must stop blaming you preessor and take it and find a way to deal with. If you did not want the worry of the job, then lets have a President John F. Kennedy( yes )-I know he is dead but he had the righ
ideas. Be a man, admit your mistakes and correct them. Please before it is to late
No response from the TSA, they must be busy working on new strategies to rob the taxpayers and take away any shred of decency we once had.
New official TSA Blog Motto:
"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt." - Abraham Lincoln
Merry Christmas from TSA.
You do realize PlayDoh has an odor that is distinguishable from plastic explosive? I've worked with enough of both to know the difference.
The least you paranoid nitwits can do is compensate this family for the Christmas present you stole from two young children. Shame on you for your outright paranoia.
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This is not something that was made up spur of the moment. Playdoh has not been allowed since I have been here for over 3 years. Sucks that people do not leave their Christmas gifts at home that they think may be questionable. Or just use common sense.
Thats great that you can distinguish the difference between the smell of Playdoh and an explosive. Lets get you an award out in the mail right away. Maybe you can get a job with the TSA and be the liquid, cream and gel sniffer.
TSA does not compensate passengers because they brought a prohibeted item with them to the airport.
Maybe Mommy and Daddy should think next time they want to pack little Billy's Playdoh for the plane ride.
I would pay extra -- significantly extra -- to get on a plane with only pre-TSA levels of screening. The only things that have made air travel safer since 9/11 are hardened cockpit doors and the willingness of passengers and crew to fight attempted bombers and hijackers (the number of which, since 9/11, can be counted on one hand).
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You would pay extra so that you could bring in a bottle of water, leave your shoes on and leave your computer in your bag?! Sounds like your lazy to me.
ARRESTING AND HANDCUFFING USA citizen and military blogger "Micheal Yon" because he would not tell a Seattle TSA agent how much he earns makes me feel so safe!
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There is no way that this is true! That is absolutely not relavent. Sounds like Mr. Yon Blogger is looking for something to write about to get people to come to his blog!
You know this blog is really lacking in the activity department. How do you expect to get people to stick around if there is never a new blog posted. This makes no sense!
Anon TSA employee said....Playdoh has not been allowed since I have been here for over 3 years.
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Anon, since you've been on the job with TSA all of three years can you point to any DHS/TSA document available for public consumption that says Play-Doh is probhibited as a carry on item or is prohibited in any other regards?
This is not something that was made up spur of the moment. Playdoh has not been allowed since I have been here for over 3 years. Sucks that people do not leave their Christmas gifts at home that they think may be questionable. Or just use common sense.
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I searched the TSA.GOV website for the words and various forms of the words for "Play Doh".
My search return zero results.
This would mean that a person arriving at an airport would have no way to know this material was restricted.
What people fail to realize is that before you go out and make judgements about something far more detailed that what some of you can comprehend is that you need to know the facts about the situation first then make nor ignorant judgemebts. Firstof all the passenger came from a totally different country, which means that TSA had absolutely nothing with the passsengers sscreening process SO maybe you guys should do a little homework on the situation before you start pointing fingers about a situation you know nothing about.
Thats great that you can distinguish the difference between the smell of Playdoh and an explosive. Lets get you an award out in the mail right away. Maybe you can get a job with the TSA and be the liquid, cream and gel sniffer.
Well, genius, I've been trained in security and explosives testing way above your pay grade. However, since our crew used common sense, the US government would not even consider our techniques or findings.
So, please, go back to stripping people of their clothes (virtually) and their dignity, and taking away their shampoos and mouthwashes.
WHERE ARE THE AIRPORT SURVEILLANCE VIDEOS?
And don't say they are a "security issue". The masterminds surely would have known that their actions were being taped on closed circuit camera. Where were the 9/11 videos of the terrorists boarding the plane? This is ridiculous.
I think everyone in the government from President Obama on down to the TSA guy checking my shoes needs to watch Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix. They need to be reminded what a little misplaced paranoia (being terrified of Dumbledore and Harry Potter instead of Voldemort), add in a little suspicion and interrogation, and some fascism, and what do you have... A place where the innocent are harassed and questioned and the guilty get to escape from Azkaban and run free to commit their crimes.
Whenever something happens, the TSA has to do something -- anything -- to prove that they are on top of things. Apparently the TSA believes that someone with ill intent isn't going to act sixty-FIVE minutes before landing -- and that they are incapable of looking out the window to determine if they are over sea or land. How about working the watch list correctly??
With all the billions TSA has spent, we have seen twice now that the most effective safety measure doesn't cost a cent: passenger intervention.
This is absurd. I am writing my Congressional delegation and I hope others will do the same.
What an absolute joke your entire organization continually proves itself to be. A dangerous joke, but a joke nevertheless.
What we as a country can take away from this is there is no way to be truly safe and happy. If you focus on customer service then you arent safe and if the TSA truly made you safe the complaining would never stop.
I mean the flights originated from out of country so the TSA didnt get to screen the crazy guy with flammable pants, but the bitching about how TSA failed continues.
If you want to be safe and want only rules that are designed to make you safe then you're going to get strip and cavity searched before each and every flight and you wont be able to carry anything on the plane except the clothes on your back.
The TSA is in a position it can't win from the beginning. While there is no terrorist activity on planes originating in the US and they are safer flying in the US than in most countries they are bitching that the rules are too strenuous and encroaching on their freedoms. TSA laxes the rules and regulations, a few planes explode and the people bitch about how ineffective the TSA proceedures and staff are.
Perhaps TSA hiring policies need to be reconsidered. Like many police departments, TSA must have a fairly low upper limit for applicants' IQ scores. A court recently ruled that police agencies have the right to follow such a policy. Of course, the right to do something does not make it a good idea. Would it be too much to ask for higher IQ supervisors at every TSA screening location?
Anon, since you've been on the job with TSA all of three years can you point to any DHS/TSA document available for public consumption that says Play-Doh is probhibited as a carry on item or is prohibited in any other regards?
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No it does not state it specifically. Nor does it state that specifically that a lot of liquids creams or gels are allowed. Its common sense.
I searched the TSA.GOV website for the words and various forms of the words for "Play Doh".
My search return zero results.
This would mean that a person arriving at an airport would have no way to know this material was restricted.
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If you asked me Playdoh is pretty creamy. No liquids creams or gels, that pretty much sums it up. Figure it out! Its not rocket science people!
Well, genius, I've been trained in security and explosives testing way above your pay grade. However, since our crew used common sense, the US government would not even consider our techniques or findings.
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Wow you really are a genius. No one cares what mr. anonymous has been trained to do. And no one cares where your pay grade level is. If I was not happy being a TSO and getting the pay I do I would not be doing it. So try and talk down to someone else cause I could care less.
Oh and what was your address so I could get that gold star sent out to you mr smartypants?
Flying used to be fun. Now it's a hassle and a crap shoot: you'll be wanded, patted down, scanned so that your intimate body parts are exposed for the fun and amusement of the TSA viewers, perhaps arrested or fined, even jailed.
No thanks. I'll stay home.
UNLESS the U.S.has its own security people in other countries for flights going to the U.S. they
can never be SECURE!
Why are we changing policy HERE for something that occured from another country? By that logic all
flights into the U.S. would eventually cease!
http://simplifythepositive.blogspot.com/2009/12/does-demint-want-illegal-immigrants-to.html We rarely fly any way . Too much hassle . Take your time answering that earlier request , Bob . If T S A's so important , how come no one is in charge ? What a mess . And to think our Civil Defense system is still esssentially 1 9 5 0 ' s , too . Alo'ha from Pahoa /s, Dr. Steve Dosh , Hawai'i :)
The TSA needs to put a new policy into place. Henceforth, all flights coming into the US from foreign countries shall be empty.
Anonymous said...
Anon, since you've been on the job with TSA all of three years can you point to any DHS/TSA document available for public consumption that says Play-Doh is prohibited as a carry on item or is prohibited in any other regards?
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No it does not state it specifically. Nor does it state that specifically that a lot of liquids creams or gels are allowed. Its common sense.
January 11, 2010 1:51 PM
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Play-Doh is a very firm clay, not a liquid, gel, cream or aerosol.
Now tell us again why Play-Doh is not permitted and how those parents should have known that since it is not published by TSA as being prohibited and why this should be common sense?
Seems the ones lacking common sense are working for TSA!
How can TSA expect to know something that TSA refuses to publish? How does this improve safety?
Anonymous said...
I searched the TSA.GOV website for the words and various forms of the words for "Play Doh".
My search return zero results.
This would mean that a person arriving at an airport would have no way to know this material was restricted.
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If you asked me Playdoh is pretty creamy. No liquids creams or gels, that pretty much sums it up. Figure it out! Its not rocket science people!
January 11, 2010 1:53 PM
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Play-Doh holds its shape. How can you even compare that with a cream?
Sounds like more uneducated TSA employees making up local rules as they go.
This is a real serious issue for many people. I'm OK if they want to make me sit there and do nothing for an hour for the sake of security but I think the bathroom rule is ridiculous. There are many people, including me that can not guarantee that they will not need to use the restroom for an entire hour. I totally agree with everyone else's comments that these new policies by the TSA will do nothing to eliminate the bomb threats. The idea should be to keep people from bringing explosives onto the planes. These silly rules won't make us any safer.
@Fred:
WOW. How logical. That's the inevitable and perfectly simple way to absolutely protect everyone.
Good Thinking,
Randy
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The functionality of the APMS software is continually evolving. BUT it will know where each passenger is seated at all times along with his identity and other passenger data as defined by DHS/FAA/Airline. Status of all seat belts is always known i.e fastened, unfastened etc. On landings,take offs and final approaches this is vital information for safety and counterterrorism purposes.If twenty males suddenly unfastened their seat belts we need time to take defensive measures. Flight attendants are busy people attending to passenger needs and must have systems to help them do their job. Remember, not all flights have a Federal Air Marshal on board. Law enforcement on the ground needs the eyes and ears of the flight attendants to combat a threat as it develops. My team concluded early on that there is always be the probability(albeit small) that a terrorist might be able to board an airliner despite sophisticated screening of the passenger and his baggage. APMS is that last line of defense before the North American Command scrambles it F-!5's to coach the airliner to change course,land,or be destroyed.
We have not got cost estimates for the addition of APMS to airliners but once installed we understand that safety and productivity can be improved substantially.
Fred said:
The TSA needs to put a new policy into place. Henceforth, all flights coming into the US from foreign countries shall be empty.
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No joking, you have to consider that might be exactly their ultimate goal. If so, they're well on their way.
The TSA is smart enough to know that once the flight leave the ground, it doesn't matter when an incident is started.
So why make such a silly ruling having to say in your seat for the last hour of the flight.
You are only proving what some people say, that you are incompetent.
Show them you are better than that. Revoke this ruling.
I am all for being safe. I am willing to be screened, patted down and even put through one of those machines that make you look naked. What I am not willing to do is pee my pants because of some rule that really does nothing to enhance our safety. On a recent international flight back from a family funeral, my 4 year old son pooped his pants and then was made to sit in it for close to 20 minutes because we were not allowed out of our seats. Even when we asked, we were told too bad and threatened with arrest. How cruel (and ridiculous) is that?
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http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/01/30/florida.tsa.investigation/index.html Absolute powwer corrupts , absolutely -- Santanaya
01.10.30
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two thousand and ten
Why not use passenger volunteers, properly trained and vetted, as part of airline security? These volunteers would travel incognito until needed. They could be identified by RFID tags. These tags would report the passenger’s level of training, seat number, etc… to electronic systems in the plane.
This information would be made available to FAMs and the flight crew via specialized applications in PDA type devices or cell phones when needed. Otherwise, the identity of the volunteer passengers would remain hidden. The FAM would use the volunteers as back up.
In compensation, the volunteers would be given special perks – although the perks must not allow their identity to be guessed.
Biometric sensors in the seats could collect information on passenger’s respiration, heart rates, agitation, etc… The planes electronic systems would collect and analyze the information and again make it available to the FAM. The information could be displayed as an aircraft seat map with areas on usual activity shown in red. The PDA would also work as a communication device for the FAM allowing the exchange of messages with the flight crew and ground if a need arises.
It might also allow the FAM to lock the seat belts of suspicious passengers.
I just wonder if all of the measures deter acts of terror. Do we security? Yes. Is this the most effective way? I don't think so.. Thats like saying we need to offer cheap business class flights to make air travel more affordable.
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