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Air Force officials revise fitness program

Posted 6/9/2009

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by Tech. Sgt. Amaani Lyle
Secretary of the Air Force Public Affairs

6/9/2009 - WASHINGTON (AFNS) -- The need for a "clear, understandable and simpler" fitness program will mean significant changes to the Air Force's current fitness program, said the service's top officer during a senior leadership conference held June 4 through 6 at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, Ohio.

Air Force Chief of Staff Gen. Norton Schwartz met with the service's other four stars at CORONA TOP where one of the key agenda items was Air Force fitness.

His intent was to fine tune fitness testing, promote a year-round fitness culture and send a clear message that health and fitness are critical to mission readiness.

"Fitness is a vital component of Air Force culture," General Schwartz said. "These challenging times underscore the importance of properly caring for our most valuable resource: our Airmen."

The Air Force's top enlisted leader agreed that good fitness is a fundamental requirement for Air Force warriors.

"Maintaining the proper fitness levels is really about maintaining combat capability," said Chief Master Sergeant of the Air Force Rodney J. McKinley. "Being fit can make the difference between life and death for Airmen when actions require concentrated physical activity on or near the battlefield."

Chief McKinley explained that Airmen must constantly hone their fitness abilities to withstand and overcome the demanding rigors of deployment and combat.

"Airmen must present the proper military appearance and project to the American public our ability to defend our nation and its interests," the chief said.

While commanders have responsibility of their unit fitness programs, each Airman is responsible for meeting and maintaining fitness standards 365 days a year, said Lt. Gen. Richard Y. Newton III, the Air Force deputy chief of staff for manpower and personnel.

"With these program revisions and enhancements, we encourage a culture of fitness, empowering all Airmen to take responsibility for being physically mission ready," General Newton said.

General Newton added that the new Air Force instruction, projected for publication in July 2009, will better emphasize the service's fitness expectations of its Airmen. Who will conduct the testing, when and how Airmen will test are among the most significant revisions to the fitness program, which takes effect January 2010.

Perhaps the most significant difference in fitness testing will be its frequency, Air Force officials said. Full-time active-duty Airmen will now test twice each year, and most reservists or guardsmen will continue to test once per year.

To maximize testing objectivity, the AFI designates trained civilian proctors to conduct fitness tests administered at new centralized locations called fitness assessment cells.

Aerobic fitness is the best indicator of current and future health risk, followed by body composition, said Lt. Col. Scott Arcuri, the chief of promotions, evaluations, and fitness policy at the Air Staff. Because of this, the aerobic run will now account for 60 percent of the test (previously 50 percent), body composition will account for 20 percent (previously 30 percent), while sit-ups and push-ups remain at 10 percent each.

"We developed evidence-driven, health based criterion standards for aerobic fitness and body composition and muscle fitness," Colonel Arcuri said. "Airmen can be confident the new standards and corresponding points have sound rationale behind them."

Colonel Arcuri also stated that the points awarded within each component directly reflect health risk and fitness and are designed to reward incremental fitness improvements.

Senior leaders said in order to pass the test, Airmen will be required to have a composite score of 75 but also will need to meet minimum requirements for each component.

Air Force officials said age range requirements will be simplified to five categories: less than 30, 30-39, 40-49, 50-59 and 60-plus years of age. Additionally, because overall fitness is a readiness issue, fitness results will be categorized using operational readiness or unit compliance inspection-type ratings. Those scoring 90 and above will be "Excellent;" those scoring between 75 and 90 will be "Satisfactory;" and those scoring under 75 will be "Unsatisfactory."

"The time has come for all Airmen to better integrate fitness into their daily lives," said Chief Master Sgt. Mark Long, the Air Staff enlisted promotions, evaluations and physical fitness chief.

Chief Long said the new AFI will provide commanders clear guidance on recommended actions based on the number of failed tests.

Chief McKinley noted that making a commitment to fitness puts the responsibility on each Airman to get in shape and remain wartime ready year-round.

"Proper fitness is an important aspect of an overall healthy lifestyle," Chief McKinley said. "When our Airmen are fit, eat healthy and reduce risk factors such as tobacco use and irresponsible alcohol consumption, their health will improve, they will visit the hospital less, and in the end, Tricare costs will be reduced."

Failure to comply with the new fitness standards could impact more than Airmen's waistlines. The new AFI links unsatisfactory fitness test performance directly to enlisted and officer performance reports. Chief McKinley said the upcoming revised evaluation AFI will ensure no Airman can have a referral enlisted performance report for fitness and receive an overall five rating.

The rewritten AFI mandates that fitness compliance be reported from unit to wing to major command for review.

General Newton asserts that while the Air Force fitness AFI outlines Airman's responsibilities, the Air Force Fitness Management System will be enhanced to provide detailed post-test feedback designed to help Airmen improve in targeted areas.

Airmen will be able to view component scoring charts in the new AFI. Further questions on the program can be directed to Colonel Arcuri, Lt. Col. John Giles and Chief Long at DSN's 224-8270, 222-4532 and 227-1661 respectively.

Comments

5/14/2012 9:17:00 PM ET
I think the new fitness program is just fine. I think those individuals who can't run 1.5 miles in under 12 minutes do 60 push-ups in a minute or 60 sit-ups in a minute should take a good look at what the signed up to do. If you can't handle one of the easiest physical training tests in the United States Military maybe you don't belong. Simple as that I can't count how many overweight out of shape portly individuals I see wearing our uniform and to be completely honest it is embarassing. I do believe there is a paragraph in AFI 36-2618 The Enlisted Force Structure that says if you don't look fit to wear the uniform that you're in the wrong and not upholding the standard. Examine that and also take a good look at the contract you signed before you cry about a little bit of excercise.

Angry SSgt, McGuire AFB

4/1/2012 8:30:08 PM ET
Get rid of the program its not doing any good.

John, PACAF

9/29/2010 11:00:49 PM ET
I think this new program is ridiculous. The sad truth is most people joined this branch because it is easier than the others. If I wanted to work out for a living I would have joined the Army. Face it nobody cares. I think the entire branch could use a major realignment.

Phillip , Cannon AFB

9/23/2010 1:34:39 PM ET
Just another way the bureaucrats are trying to effectively utilize swindling resources. There will be no culture change so long as we make this an 'individual' responsibility. Commanders are off the hook and now its all about me. So much for our Wingman theology/more lip service. Look for suicide rates to skyrocket when people start getting the boot and referral appraisals.Speaking of integrity, yeah they don't trust the blue suitors to administrate the assessments. Do they honestly believe a low-paid civilian is somehow immune from accepting bribes etc. and fudgin the scores? Come on now.

Johnboy, Colorado Springs Co

1/19/2010 6:43:50 PM ET
I do agree with most of you that being physically fit is an important aspect of the military life. However how do you define physically fit I had an airman in my last shop who maxes out on his run waist measurement sit ups and does 30 push-ups and scores 97.5. With the new standards coming out he would have scored a 91 but this airman cant carry his tools 20-25 pound tool box up a 50 foot tower without taking several breaks on the way up. We usually have to wait on him at the top of the tower and I am barely passing yet I do not have the same issues on the job. Can somebody tell me what physically fit is

Ret, California

9/29/2009 9:14:42 AM ET
You all need to get a life.

Lisa, FL

9/28/2009 4:25:01 AM ET
Please, lets just agree that it's a biased test and we know it. It does not and never has taken into account all the many factors in a person's life that may effect the amount of time he or she can devote to physical fitness. Many Air Force professions are better suited for making time for these activities and have time built into their days for it. The test still does not reflect fitness. Rather, it reflects a test, so I propose building fitness into our daily schedulelives as do the Army and Marines so that it can be monitored; daily unit cohesion will be built and those who need help can get it. Instead, we coin catchy phrases like Fitness Culture and Warrior Ethos to quell the imaginary Identity crisis. It boils down to: are we worried about numbers, money, and cut of our suits or do we want to win the wars on both fronts? So maybe doing something a sister service does that has worked for 200 years isn't a bad idea.

Jake, Mountain Home ID

9/12/2009 2:24:48 PM ET
I believe that Crossfit is the way to go. I work out about 5 times a week doing my crossfit routine with the Fort Bragg Crossfit team here at Pope. I am 7 months pregnant and except for my belly, I look just as fit as ever. I can do over 50 pushups and situps at a time and still run and jog. I do believe in weight management through conditioning our bodies to be an elite tower of force. I do not feel comfortable with most airmen I sit beside at work knowing that they cannot run to save my or their own lives. Fitness is something you do for yourself, not anyone else. We are only given one body, one temple. We should make it as elite as we can. I have been in over 12 yrs and am a PTL for a reason. I do believe in the military image of strength and fitness not flab. We are here to be strong and fit. I am not SFS. I work a desk job and still believe in this concept and still get teary eyed at the national anthem. We are the change we are looking for

Angela, Pope AFB NC

8/29/2009 5:50:06 AM ET
This is great. People who are complaining should just separate or retire. There are jobs in the civilian sector that don't require you to get a haircut, let you wear whatever you want, let you smoke dope if you want and eat all the doughnuts you desire. But for those charged with the security and defense of the greatest nation on earth, we should willingly gladly and proudly live by a higher standard. My unit has a great PT program that I participate in and it's a great relief to never have to worry about whether or not I'll pass. And oh yea, I almost forgot, I'm over 40, 225 pounds, 6'4 and none of that matters one bit because my unit PT program keeps me well prepared.

James, Kunsan AB

7/29/2009 3:55:14 PM ET
I have never been able to run very fast for a long period of time. I can burst and do a 300m pretty well. I can skim by a 1.5mile with a passing but darn close to failing score. Running isn't easy for me. I'm 6ft 200lbs nonsmoker who eats extremely well passes all my physicals with flying colors and I max out pushups and situps in addition to barely meeting the waist requirement. I have served for 8 years and I can't remember the last time I had to run a mile and a half or even a half a mile doing my job for the AF. So why is a RUN the airforce's standard of HEALTH I know a dozen guys I serve with who eat burgerspizzafrysbeer and smoke 2 packs a day that can't do 20 of the situps or pushups but weigh 155lbs and have a 28inch waist and can lightning bolt through a 1.5mile in under 10min. They usually score better than I do because of points scaling. How are they healthier than me

Andy, Kentucky

7/29/2009 3:53:18 PM ET
I have never been able to run very fast for a long period of time. I can burst and do a 300m pretty well. I can skim by a 1.5 mile with a passing but darn close to failing score. Running isn't easy for me. I'm 6ft 200lbs nonsmoker who eats extremely well passes all my physicals with flying colors and I max out pushups and situps in addition to barely meeting the waist requirement. I have served for 8 years and I can't remember the last time I had to run a mile and a half or even a half a mile doing my job for the AF. So why is a RUN the Air Force's standard of HEALTH I know a dozen guys I serve with who eat burgers/pizza/frys/beer and smoke 2 packs a day that can't do 20 of the situps or pushups but weigh 155lbs and have a 28 inch waist and can lightning bolt through a 1.5mile in under 10min. They usually score better than I do because of points scaling. How are they healthier than me?

Andy, Kentucky

7/28/2009 11:05:47 AM ET
I don't care if the standard is a bike a run, number of push-ups or number of sit-ups. I don't care if it varies by height age or gender. The standard will evolve as science and politics direct. It is my job to lead my Airmen to exceed any standard that leadership establishes. Key players in the fitness programs are PTLs. I think there's been too much emphasis on the PT and nowhere near enough placed on the L.

David Batiz, Aviano

7/27/2009 10:25:26 AM ET
The truth is until the AF realizes that most don't care about physical fitness, our image will not change. I like what leadership is striving for but we need a big step here. Let's take the fail/pass segment on the EPRs to a whole new level. It would not be too hard to mirror what our brother services have been doing for years. Yes, I am talking about having points added to our promotion scores based on PT. If we can have some control on promotions based on our fitness level I would almost guarantee we would see some dramatic change in the AF image.

David Thomas, Andrews AFB

7/17/2009 2:35:20 PM ET
I have done a 1.5 mile run in 1030-1100 consitantly for 20 years AD I max my pushups and setups but weigh 230 I have a 39 waist. I have seen much more than the AF share of combat I guess I will retire. I do not fit in the AF box

Wayne, Offutt

7/15/2009 11:20:40 AM ET
I think the Air Force PT program needs many changes to make it a decent evaluation of physical fitness. There is much more to physical fitness than having a 32 waist and being able to run a 9 minute mile and a half. I build bombs for a living and on more than one occasion I have had to pick up the slack for some of these in shape people while doing my everyday job. Take for example building a 500lb high drag bomb. The tail fin assembly weighs 56lbs by itself and is stored in drums that are about 40 tall. They are removed from the barrels out the top. I have personally pulled 300-350 of these out of the barrels in a 3 day period. When we had help from some brass so they could see the things that we do every day a Colonel was sent to help my crew out. He was a runner and probably had a 30-32 waist and could easily pass his PT test. He was able to pull 3 fin assemblies out of the containers before he called it quits because of the amount of strength required to do this. At the same

Dom, Elmendorf

7/12/2009 2:25:21 PM ET
The way the Air Force runs its PT program is ridiculous. I am the perfect example of why. I am 75 inches tall and weigh 205 lbs. If I was one inch taller then I would add 10 points to my overall score. Or if I was 189 lbs that too would add 10 points to my overall score. I am tall and the rest of my body is built to support my height. I am not fat by any means yet the Air Force seems to think so. I hate the fact that some short scrawny little punk can go out there do 5 push-ups three sit-ups walk the mile and a half and get a passing score because he has a 20 inch waist. Is that really the image we want to give people Little scrawny people in the military looks about as bad as a fat lard. Also why is it that women have it so easy? Do they not perform the same jobs as us men? Shouldnt they maintain the same standard if they are going to be performing the same jobs?

JB, Charleston SC

7/8/2009 7:36:37 PM ET
I believe that it is a great thing that the Air Force is at least tweaking the fitness program more. One time a year does not do anything for airmen. A lot of the airmen do not do much fitness until about a couple weeks before the test because they are only looking forward to getting at least a 75 percent. And some people out there think it's a waste to do this when it is the airmen's job as well as the PTLs job to make sure that they are physically fit so when there is an emergency and they need to go into combat they will not stuggle. I agree with the new program. It seems more fair especially for the men out there who work out everyday and do not score as high as they can get because their waist is bigger although they are fit. And just because they changed the fitness program does not mean it is perfect now but in time it will be.

Brittany Van Natta, Aviano AB

7/8/2009 3:11:35 PM ET
The fitness culture in our Air Force cannot be fixed with a minor change in the PT standards or a change in the frequency. Twice a year What's the purpose I think most members can pass once a year without ever working out. The change will only occur when policy mandates it and when the TFI concept finally comes to fruition. Air Reserve Technicians for example only get 3 hours per week for physical fitness while hisher AD counterpart can essentially go whenever heshe wants and work out as long as they want. That 3 hours includes changing time and shower time. So ARTs get about 2 hrs at most of PT during the work week unless they do it on their own time. Bottom line is that if their are standards that everyone needs to be held to then programs need to be in place to support those standards. In my 11 years AD experience the Air Force has failed at this terribly. Again...what's the objective What does the AF want to evaluate through the use of the PFT In my opini

Mike, Seymour Johnson AFB NC

7/8/2009 3:02:51 PM ET
Lots of good comments. I like the crossfit idea I also like building in training for proper running technique. So far I haven't seen any mention of flexibility. How about instead of adding more points to the run we introduce a flexibility component In my experience more work-related injuries happen from lack of full range of motion due to lack of flexibility than anything else.

Ryan Janus, Peterson AFB

7/8/2009 2:52:11 PM ET
I am reading a lot of comments here that disgust me. Even though we are going to test twice a year our PT test is still extrememly weak. If you want a hard PT test then go to the Marines or the Army. The marines have been testing twice a year for forever and they have to run 3 miles...so stop crying about a tiny 1.5 mile run. I don't believe there is anyone that cannot pass and if they don't pass then they are not trying. 8 years ago I was 220 lbs and extremely unhealthy. Instead of complaining I changed my lifestyle and lost over 40 pounds. These days I pass the test with a perfect score. Sure...a lot of valuable people get separated because of PT but as far as I am concerned...if they don't want to dedicated themselves physically then we don't need them. You are worthless if you are not physically fit...and frankly...you don't belong in the military.

Spencer, Wyoming

7/2/2009 10:34:44 AM ET
Have the AF stopped and thought of teaching people how to run properly instead of forcing them to simply run more 6 years ago I ran 3 miles per day then injured my back compressed discs etc. I had to bike to keep up barely passed the cycle ergometry test then dicided to change my running style or out I would go. I adopted the POSE method of running changed my life and ran the AF 12 Marathon at W.P. last year as 220lbs guy. Teach proper running first then the fitness improvements will come. I am willing to talk more.

Matthew Crum, Brooks City Base TX

7/1/2009 12:53:30 PM ET
There are Airmen all over the place that look terrible in uniform and commanders aren't doing a thing about it especially if one of them manages to pass the weak Air Force fitness test.And what about all these people who work the system by getting a profile to walk which completes the annual cardio requirement go compare the walk times to the run times. The walk times are an absolute joke. I watched an Airman literally stroll around a track and pass the test. Let's get real here. Medical needs to stop with the profile give outs and commanders need to hold people accountable. Morale suffers because of all this garbage.

Jason, Kanas

6/25/2009 3:07:11 PM ET
I used to look at the AF PT program as just another program we had to deal with to satisfy a requirement. It wasn't until I deployed that I saw just how important being fit really is. I'm 6'3 210 and carry myself pretty well. I can pass the PT test without any prep which means I run just 1.5 miles a year my 4-year old running shoes still look new. When you deploy it's a completely different environment and passing a state-side PT Test carries little weight to prepare you to be in a hot stressful environment where the tempo is go go go while lugging 30 pounds of gearequipment on your back. If you can't keep up you are the weak link placing everyone in danger. Our leaders are trying their best to get us to realize how important it is not just to be fit but to be combat fit. Just like trying to turn a B-52 around it takes a lot of time. Eventually we will all see this and the AF culture will change making us a fitter more survivable military organization for it.

Martin, Hickam AFB

6/25/2009 8:01:38 AM ET
The AF pt program is against all that we stand for as Airmen. We maintain Integrity Service and Excellence and yet we think that a pt program is the greatest thing to date. What about pt during duty hours not on the flightline It's several people's responsibility throughout the program to provide up to 90 minutes but that never happens. Gotta poke holes in the sky. We should all be ready to sign our paperwork Monday for failing to uphold our responsibilities. That same guy not providing me with pt time is the guy kicking me out for not upholding standards. Where's the integrity in that

Andrew, Osan

6/23/2009 7:19:59 AM ET
It's been my opinion that although having an AF PT program is a good thing I think that the current way that the program is set up is flawed but I also think that the new program will be just as flawed. Come on. Okay we get some points to help take care of the waist measurement issue which I still think that component should get thrown out but now they hit the entire force with two PT tests a year. It doubles your chances of getting separated Whereas people may argue the point that this gives a person twice the chance to excel. I can't argue that point but I still see more people shown the door and stripes taken away. Honestly I have been in the force for 15 years. I have been a 32 waist and run a decent time. I don't fail the test. But I've seen way too many GOOD people with a good head and new fresh and exciting ideas to offer that have been separated because essentially they were too built or couldn't run. Our workcenters are overtasked we lose more and more

Will, Korea

6/22/2009 3:41:53 PM ET
Someone mentioned above about making the actual PT score part of your total WAPS score and then you will see people get in shape. That is actually a good idea. Take away the passfail and just give me the points. Here is another idea. The goal is to have a fit force. A test does not ensure people are fit. Instead of a test just make it mandatory to attend a specified number of formal fitness training sessions a month or quarter. If you do not attend these mandatory formations then start looking at what to do next. that will get people to exercise. I work out 4-5 days a week strength and cardio and at 43 years old I still have trouble passing the test and will until I retire. Because like someone said before the test is designed for people with bodies like 10 year old little boys.

GT, Scott AFB

6/22/2009 2:53:32 PM ET
What bothers me about this is the fact that PTL's are no longer trusted to evaluate Airmen. Rather that call out the ones who are doing a horrible job they lump us all together and say we don't trust you or think you're competent enough to test others. Now they're giving the job to civilians. What else am I not competent or trust worthy enough to do for the Air Force Should my AFSC be outsourced as well

Chance, Iraq

6/22/2009 1:42:54 PM ET
I agree that we needed some changes to our PT program. I have been lifting and doing cardio since I was 13 so I have bodybuilders build. I try to keep my body fat between 12-9 percent. I dont agree with the strength portion of the PT test not receiving attention. In combat strength plays a huge role in your fighting abilities. We need to drop this fit for flight mentality and get these skinny guys who have no muscle in the gym and hold them accountable for their lack of strength. I dont know about you guys but I hate seeing these runners with the bodies of 10 year old boys.

B, AZ

6/22/2009 9:57:44 AM ET
The thing I don't like about the AF process of updating the Fitness Standards is the fact that individuals who work in the Pentagon who don't have PT and rig their PT test scores make the final approval decisions. I agree with the above individuals when they say that there needs to be more emphasis on strength in the test. I am amazed that the Run is now 60 percent of the score. There are guys in my shop who are 5 foot 8 and 125lbs who would never last in a hand to hand fight with a guy who is 6 foot 195lbs or more or be able to pull them away to safety. Running is important to burn calories strengthen your cardiovascular system and burn fat. However running a 9 min mile and a half isn't going to make you any healthier than running it in 11 min. You'll just hurt your knees more. I would like to see the run be worth less points no less important but add more points to the pushups and situps get rid of the waist measurement completely worthless if you're in shape your w

Mike, Ft. Meade

6/22/2009 8:28:38 AM ET
Maybe with these new requirements people will learn to understand what being fit to fight is really about...about time.

Evelina, Andrews AFB

6/19/2009 4:05:07 PM ET
I am very pleased that we have started encompassing the pt program in to the air force. I have no problem about doing pt. the only problem that I have is why is it important to pass the pt test but not that important to do pt during the work week. That does not bother me that much as why o why is it important to have more emphasis on physical endurance instead of physical fitness. I as a tech school instructor am noticing that all the newest airmen are more what I call fit for flight instead of fit for fight. I am trying to show students how to lift and install aircraft parts and doing things like this takes more strength which is not looked as highly upon as being able to run. Running fast does not help airman do hard physical labor. Running is very important for your physical well being but there needs to be a more balance between strength than being able to run quickly.

d, sheppard tx

6/19/2009 9:03:46 AM ET
For shift workers it is already hard enough making time to be physically fit now we will have to use our days off not only once but twice to take a pt test that really doesn't evaluate the BMI completely. No one can expect every woman under 30 to have a 29 in waist size. i completely agree that this portion should be re-evaluated as well as manning for some shifts to be able to use duty time for pt.

BRITTANY, DOVER

6/19/2009 5:47:12 AM ET
Wow i did not know that they are just taking away from the waist and adding it to the run...That's not going to be a major change. They need to add a strength component into the test if they want to make it a fit test. I agree with all of you crossfit guys I do it and love it but can only score so much on this AF pt test. I don't have to worry about passing it but an 82 is the highest i've scored with a 1202 run and max push-upssit-ups. How about we through some pull-ups and overhead presses in Then we may reach the goal of having a true fit test...Just my opinion but a run is not a true fit test. I will do whatever it takes to get better as long as i'm a part of the AF but it's clearly a joke if they think it's a true fit test.

Sheldon, Kunsan AB Korea

6/18/2009 11:46:10 AM ET
When I first entered the Air Force they had the bike test which we all know was a joke unless you were a smoker. They were also measuring the neck waist and hips on women. For those of us that fall into that ethnic category once they measured our hips we could pretty much call it a failure. Leadership finally realized that there was some discrimination and eliminated that part from the test. Now many of us are battling the waist measurement. Ok there is some health risk once you get past a certain waist measurement but without taking into consideration height frame size and whether or not a woman has given birth you will never have an accurate depiction of just how fit and healthy a person is. I think the Air Force needs to adopt some of the methods of the Army and Marines and hold mandatory PT EVERY morning for active duty and for the Guard and Reserves during their weekend activation. Change the test to match what we would really be doing when deployed such as running sho

Nicole, Maryland

6/18/2009 5:01:30 AM ET
The fact that we will test 2 times a year is good we should be a fit military force. The only problem with the test is the waist measurement. I am able to get high pts on the push-upcrunches and the run. I am not out of shape at all however my waist of 37 sets me back. Yes I could afford to loose a few inches but every bodies body is built different and the PT standards requires the TV image of a persons waist to get max points. I think before any of the changes about frequency of testing are changed they need to look into the entire BMI portion of the test to make it more realistic.

SrA, CFB North Bay

6/17/2009 10:09:36 AM ET
I agree with the changes. Ultimately the purpose of the PT test is to be fit for duty deployment and better health. Not just to pass a test. There should be a more serious atmosphere to PT. PT everyday not part of the duty day would benefit all.The unfortunate consequence is losing some valuable intelligent career Airmen who never made fitness a lifestyle decision.

Carlos , Andrews AFB MD

6/17/2009 8:45:56 AM ET
It is well known upon voluntarily entering any branch of the military that physical fitness is required. I find it amusing and pathetic that the Air Force has adopted the term warrior yet people are failing P.T. tests at an alarming rate. Whether you are sitting behind a desk or out on the battle field it is MANDATORY to be physically fit. It starts with our senior leaders failing P.T. tests and not holding themselves and junior airmen accountable for their failures. The fact of the matter is this if you can't run a mile and a half and do a few sit-ups and push-ups there is no way I am trusting you to get my back in battle PERIOD The Air Force provides the facility to work out yet people are still failing the test.There is no room in the Air Force for people that are not physically fit.

Benn, Utah

6/16/2009 4:04:12 PM ET
The USMC and the Army have this Figured out and are a lot more fit as a whole than the USAF. 100 points per area between the run Mid-section and Upper body. This equals 33 percent per area forcing people to be all around fit and not to one extreme or the other. --And the old weight standards don't help the more heavily muscled individuals who are worth their weight in combat. Any informed person knows that 5 pounds of muscle is less bulky and roughly 12 to 23 the size of a 5 pound lump of fat. So you could have a very lean individual weigh in who looks and feels great be overweight and according to the old weight measurements. --What does that leave us with The Waist Measurement Taller people who may run well but have a more muscled build will not fair as well in the waist measurement category - so basically they're being punished for their height and muscularity Are they not Fit to Fight Again the USMC and Army who've been around much longer than the USAF

Wolfe, Hill AFB

6/16/2009 2:37:23 PM ET
I was talking to a civilan employee of the military and I was saying how the only thing that makes me worried about in PT is my waistline becoming bigger after 3 kids. I have always been active and always did good on PT but after 3 kids my wasitline will not look the same. He mentioned that the USAF should have a prepost term waistline for women who has has children and I thought it was a GREAT suggestion to make and figured I would say something about it because every women does not go back to what she was after a child. Thanks

Quarsha, Minot

6/16/2009 2:30:04 PM ET
To Ben at Eglin AFB... Under the full understanding that the Air Force is NOT the Army take a look at their PT standards. As a male reaches the age of 27 the standards increase because men actually hit their physical prime later in life. An 18 year old should push themselves to achieve the same results as the older or more matured Airmen. This is why the Air Force made the age categories like this.

Derek, Ft. Meade

6/16/2009 9:53:41 AM ET
I wonder if running a 12 minute 1.5 mile will still be good enough Its been good enough my whole career and I don't know if I can get lower than an 11 minute mile. Icant run a 9 minute mile and a half but I could do 30 extra pushups. I also think its ridiculous for an 18 year old and a 29 year old to be in the same category. I'm anxious to see the new score charts.

Ben, Eglin AFB FL

6/15/2009 5:46:01 PM ET
Did someone say Reservist Guardsman No special dispensation should be made for Reservist or Guardsman. I don't even like the fact they are not making us do it twice a year. One Team One Fight. If you stay in until 56 you better be training for it at 30. The last thing I want is the active duty to have to pick-up my slack because I failed to meet the standard.

Chuck, Scott

6/15/2009 11:15:13 AM ET
When I signed up to protect and serve I signed up to adhere to all standards and I've done so for 18 plus years. I've seen different variations of the fitness test. I've seen us go full circle back to tests that we said didn't work for various reasons but the bottom line here is we are chasing an unrealistic target what is the perfect test is it an AF specific test or should all services be held to the same standard or is that an entirely different issue to debate. Should there really be a Combat Fitness test that with the same standards for all services. Does an IMer who normally wouldnt get a medal for a deployment have to maintain the same level of standards of an AFSC that might deploy with an Army unit I've deployed 4 times never to a combat zone I performed a desk job that I could have performed at my home station but either way I was always current on my PT test and this last deployment I had also passed Expeditionary Combat Training which was the first time I've ever

Z, Scott AFB

6/15/2009 8:17:42 AM ET
I definitely think those 10 points should have went towards the push- ups and sit- ups. If someone absolutely knocks the run out with some crazy time they wouldn't have to even try to do their anaerobic exercises and they still could pass. What's the point in trying to perfect my pt as a whole when I don't have to. All I really need to do is concentrate on my run and that's pretty much it.

Bristan, Charleston AFB

6/14/2009 4:46:52 PM ET
AF leadership is very duplicitous in regard to this AF Fitness Program biz they preach Airmen must be combat fit but the Fit test has no tie to combat roles or AF specialties and now has more to do with lower Tricare Costs Originally the goal was culture change toward a healthy lifestyle and for almost 10 yrs now the AF Fitness program has been in development and the real goal has continued to be masked--initially Fitness was ramped up to save for recap of Weapons Systems by downsizing and saving on personnel benefitscosts--that went bellyup this along with loss of focus cost AF top 2 leaders their jobs. Now with new leadership and still downsizing inappropriately the AF still needs to save budgetary wise and have now adopted twice a year Fit testing another way to push folks out the door and still no combat role connection or tie to AFS's. True goal all along was cut Tricare Costs to save for weapons systems recap

JimmyH, Kirtland

6/13/2009 2:30:22 AM ET
Wow Im hearing a lot of complaining about the PT program. Some valid some just plain lazy. Are there problems with the program Yes the program is flawed. Should there be an Air Force standard Yes. Does everyone fit into the same standard No. But keep in mind that when each and every one of us signed up for this Air Force whether to make it a career or for any other reason we all knew those standards. Just because they tested those standards with a stationary bike for years in the past doesnt mean those standards werent still in place. I believe the only injustice about the PT program is that they allowed our folks to get lazy in the past. But all this isnt even the main flaw. The problem in my opinion are all the waivers. Anyone on a waiver for more than a year should be medically retired from the military. If any individual is to truly be held to these standards everyone should be. The Air Forces reason for each individual to maintain these standards is so they will

Rob, Al Udeid AB

6/12/2009 4:11:31 PM ET
It seems that senior leadership is a little out of touch. The term coined is Fit to Fight but we do not practice like we preach. In a fight who cares if you can run 1.5 miles in 10 minutes in your PT gear. If you are preparing for the fight train that way. In a battle you are carrying dragging pulling and running fast for short distances in heavy gear. If senior leadership wanted to truely overhaul the PT program to be fit to fight they would change their current vector to a more combat oriented test.Who honestly wants a wingman who can run 10 minutes flat if they can't carry their wieght when the fecal matter hits the rotary oscillator. Only 10 percent for pushups and sit ups is a joke. A fast runner with out any upper body strength is useless. There are guys I work with who do 1 token pushup and 1 token crunch come in under BMI and max the run and pass with an 80.There is some thing broken in the system. There are too many top leadership pushing their perspectives

Mike, Offutt AFB NE

6/12/2009 3:26:18 PM ET
While I do agree that the adominal measurement is not the best system because some people will never have a 32 inch waste. Nevertheless some people could get rid of a lot of fat around the mid section. If you are having trouble with your waist then YOU should evaluate yourself and see if YOU have a healthy waist size. A better test would actually be doing a fat test to see what percentage of body fat a person has. Healthy men have a fat content of 4-6 percent and women 5-7. Some people are pushing theirs to 12-18. Now that is unhealthy.

Christopher, aviano

6/12/2009 10:08:29 AM ET
As military members we are NOT civilians. It is our DUTY to be fit bottomline. Excuses will not aid you in your pursuit of a healthy body and mind. They will only hinder you. Take it from someone who finally stopped fighting getting fit and embraced it. I get up at 0400 and run then I instruct students from 0600-1600. It's a way of life and easy once started.

Monique, Keesler AFB MS

6/12/2009 9:48:54 AM ET
I have seen the Army side and the AF side of the spectrum when it comes to physical fitness. I would like to say that the only way the program is going to get better is if we as leaders take the time to assess the program and the strengthsweaknesses behind it and collectively come together to discuss it with suitable solutions. Complaining really never gets things done in a positive way so step back tell your Airmen these are the standards and take notes on what is wrong with it. The AF leadership is trying to make this the best program they can but they have to consider all involved and that takes time.

Jack, Shaw

6/12/2009 9:14:59 AM ET
I am happy for the change to the scoring charts however I will reserve judgement on HOW HAPPY until I see the published version in July. The main issue I have with the waist measurement is that everyone regardless of age is compared to the same baseline number. I'm not sure what evidence-driven health based criterion shows that a 45 year old and an 18 year old should have the same waist measurement. As a suggested fix use the past 5 years of data on waist measurements for each age group and determine the TRUE average waist measurement for that particular group and adjust the scoring scale according to that average. The other componants adjust for age why not the body composition -- side note- I would guess that the average waist measurement for the 30-39 age group would be around 35-36 inches.

matt, Langley

6/12/2009 12:23:15 AM ET
I want to reiterate what a couple of people have already said. If you want us to PT GIVE US TIME Right now from what I can tell it's not just my career field EVERYONE is undermanned. Just how are we supposed work two people's jobs plus how ever many additional duties CBTs and other training and STILL have time for PT Plus we are expected to volunteer get an education and take care of our families. We only have 24 hours in a day which of the above shall I NOT do Right now I find myself accepting the fact that my PT score is just simply going to be marginal because I feel my job and education take precedence. I'm just glad I don't really have a family because right now they would be so neglected I wouldn't have one for long with my schedule. Can we have more people and get some time back for us who have both been out there and hold the fort for those that are out there now

Chris, Altus AFB OK

6/11/2009 8:44:59 PM ET
This whole program is in place for the 18-38 year old rangethere is a whole other element out there in the GuardReserve that are 38-58 year old range. When is that going to be recognized with realistic expectations and less restrictive time limits

Mark, Tucson AZ

6/11/2009 8:43:39 PM ET
This whole program is in place for the 18-38 year old rangethere is a whole other element out there in the GuardReserve that are 38-58 year old range. When is that going to be recognized with realistic expectations and less restrictive time limits

Mark, Tucson AZ

6/11/2009 8:42:35 PM ET
All in all not bad. Granted the Waist is still an issue. And as some people stated earlier the height needs to be taken into consideration. Also most people will NEVER be below their Target BMI Weight. It makes them looks sick and if I were to do it there would be no way I could do the PushupSitup portion of the test because I would have lost all of my muscle mass.

Jason, Kunsan AB Korea

6/11/2009 8:21:08 PM ET
This new AFI is all well and good but unless and until we make PT an integral part of the weekly duty time it's still not going to be ingrained into the culture of the Air Force. The Army as an organization PTs EVERY morning first thing. They PT at 0700 for an hour hour and a half then go shower up and come into work after that and the office day begins. Many airman work 0700-1700 M-F and breaking away from the officework is often a tremendous challenge. They're told to go make time. That culturally tells everyone that PT's important but it's not truly important.

Ted, Scott AFB

6/11/2009 7:43:15 PM ET
It is about time that we do something about the fitness in the Air Force. I need to know that when the bullets are flying that the person next to me regardless of rank will be able to help me. the centralized testing is good too. Now there can't be any favortism.

Jeff Stepp, Kunsan AB ROK

6/11/2009 5:12:34 PM ET
I agree with a lot of folks this is long overdue to be revamped. If accurate body mass index is a strong indicator I believe the AF should use technology to its advantage. As a certified personal trainer through the National Academy of Sports Medicine the AF should remove altogether the tape measurement with electronic body fat testing devices. These electronically record bodyfat another strong indicator of health and fitness and negates any human error. But let's get real the current PT test is very weak and even the newer one is still not that much better. We are a military branch of the service and when it comes to health and fitness I am embarassed. Anybody that's been a career Airman and fails the test does in fact need to be seperated. This very weak test has been out for several years and if nobody took it seriously then pay the consequences.

Ken, Minot AFB

6/11/2009 4:11:33 PM ET
This policy is getting better but until there are no double standards i dont see this working either it needs to really truly applie to all E-1 through E-9 and 0-1 through 0-10. I have always thought the bottom line for the AF should be if you cant deploy or pass your PT test you need to find a different career field no excuses. When we get there we will have won the PT battle. Although i cant say i dislike out of shape people that much...if it wasnt for them i wouldnt get to deploy as much. lol

joe, Dyess AFB TX

6/11/2009 4:08:47 PM ET
Ok one last thing. You want people to be fit but don't reward them for it. Here is the problem. If a troop has a 40 inch waist they recieve 21 points. A troop in the same age group has a 36 inch waist they recieve 22.20 points. So if a person loses 4inches off of his waist roughly 20-30 lbs they only recieve 1.20 points Where is the score reward Why should a person be motivated to lose the inches How do you improve your fitness score if you are only gaining a point So what a 76.5 turns into a 77.2. Wow.

Ray, MacDill AFB

6/11/2009 2:22:23 PM ET
The fitness program needs to be overhauled in conjunction with all aspects of military life not just the PT test. People administering PT sessions are not trainers but you are expected to follow their guidance as if they are. Should people needing to work on muscle mass be trained the same as those needing to work on aerobic activity Or those recovering from surgery the same as those who scored a 95 last test Thats how we do it. PT sessions are held and yet office processes continue unabated. As long as the boss is in the office where do you think most people will be PT testing practically ignores medical decisions. Ive seen several folks damage their already injured bodies shoulders backs while they were on profile because they knew they could score better if they did everything. Physicians are discouraged from placing people on profile. Theyve told me themselves. So an injury that takes longer to heal or becomes permanent and possibly career threatening is bette

Marshall, Tinker

6/11/2009 1:50:41 PM ET
Sometimes leadership just doesn't get it In combat wether on the flight line or on the streets the BIG GUYS carry the litters and easily pull other Fighting Americans out of bad situations. Why can I only get 10 points for pushups when my max is 40 but I can do 60. Why do I only pick up a tenth of a point for every other sit up I do. My Max is 46 but I struggle to get to 38. I wear a size 34 pants and struggle to keep them up but I get measured at a 38. I have always been able to run two miles without walking. Most weekends I will take a five mile run on the local bike paths but I don't try to run my five miles in fifteen minutes If one person should have to run the mile and a half in 12 minutes just to score a 75 on their fitness test then every Airman should have to run the mile and half in 12 minutes to pass. These run tables are going to kill someone especially somone in there fortys like I am. I can run I just can't run fast. I used to run for health and enjoyment

Bill, Offutt AFB NE

6/11/2009 1:38:48 PM ET
Obviously everyone has their own complaints about the PT test. I only read a few that mentioned ideas of how to fix specific areas. I have seen guys from 5'5 to over 6' that are in the gym everyday at least 5 days a week and are over their BMI solid muscle. The weightBMI standards and waist measurements need to change to specific height requirements. I agree that it is harder for someone that is over 6' to have a 32 inch waist compared to someone that is 5'7. I would even like to see more strength involvement included in the PT program. It is fine that I can do 60 push-ups in under a minute. Consider the fact we are overseas in weather over 100 degrees. Would we be able to carry someone that weights anywhere from 150-225 lbs from point A to point B I do like the fact that some bases have started the Cross Fit and P90X programs to do more exercises than the regular push up and sit up routine.

Paul, Maryland

6/11/2009 11:33:10 AM ET
Until the PCM is incorporated into this process I still believe the process is short of where it needs to be. It is a complete effort to be fit where you need to be for your health not just for the wear of the uniform and being good to go wherever one is needed due to their AFSC. Just because you measure ht wt and PT standards and are within the bounds that doesn't mean you are fit to fight via a rifle or turn a wrench or control air traffic for example. The PCM needs to receive this data from the HAWC electronically and put it in your record where they can compare your aches pains bloodwork etc and help you be fit with the HAWC nutritionists etc.

JB, DC

6/11/2009 10:15:23 AM ET
Excellence in all we do It seems we continue to forget this core value. Fitness doesn't start with the military it starts with each individual. Each individual must make a fitness plan that will work so they are able to excel towards AF Fitness Standards. Bottom line if you cannot handle change then I recommend you retire andor separate.

Lupton, Keesler AFB

6/11/2009 10:04:33 AM ET
I am not sure about people being scored on their BMI but here at Holloman we are graded on run time pushups situps and abdominal circumference. My most recent PT test I maxed out pushups and situps ran a 1221 mile and a half had a 34 inch abdominal and still only have an 82.75 score. I feel in the best shape I've ever been in and I personally achieved career highs in all areas. However my one suggestion would be to look at run times. If someone weighs 150 lbs shouldn't they be able to run faster than someone who weighs say 175 If the bigger person runs faster shouldn't they be credited for doing so And I reiterate it's a measurement of abdominal circumference not waist. I wear size 32 jeans and was measured at a 34

Michael, Holloman AFB NM

6/11/2009 9:04:29 AM ET
While a culture change is expected of our Airmen to be more physically fit...we need to see a culture change in our leadership to actually allow for the PT time. Current guidance only notes 90 mins 3Xweek...will we see a 5Xweek allowance All to often the workload and education requirements can fill a day and going to the gym during duty hours only serves to extend an Airman's duty day. Can we expect a lighter workload

Curt, Norfolk VA

6/11/2009 8:52:16 AM ET
If we need to be fit to fight why not survey everyone who's deployed in the last five years Find out what they did have to do what they did have to lift how far they needed to run or walk. We're not the army leaping through barbed wire and dodging bullets for days on end so find out what our Airmen are doing and make sure everyone is up to par to deal with that fight.

Melissa, Andersen AFB

6/11/2009 8:39:03 AM ET
Most AFSC's are in the D tempo band-which means 6 months away from home station. Will we have to test during our deployments and will there be civilian proctors at our locations I tested about two weeks prior to my last deployment but with the twice a year test I'd be two months overdue when I got home. How are they planning for that

Drew, COB Speicher

6/11/2009 8:07:37 AM ET
The AF does a good job of training and providing its members with the necessary tools in order to perform their jobs. Yet when it comes to our fitness we are told that it is our own responsibility to comply with an AF directed mandate and a commander's program. I would never just hand my troop a CDC volume and tell them to complete it without any guidance or support from my end. That's exactly how the PT program is conducted at most locations. If it's such a big concern then why not bring it back in-house and spend the necessary time working out as a unit

Ken, WPAFB

6/11/2009 5:01:32 AM ET
I still don't understand how someone being able to run 1 12 miles in a certain time makes them fit. Running is not not for everyone. There are far better exercises to prove someone is fit that are less strenuous and a lot safer to the human body. I've been to the Desert several times with individuals that have aced the PT test and dropped like a rock in the heat. The whole program needs to be adjusted per individual not everyone as a group. We are not all the same.

Frank, Aviano AFB

6/11/2009 4:34:44 AM ET
Years ago my commander in Germany told us that if we went to war and he was wounded and we could not carry him to the medic's he didn't consider us fit. He then instituted a unit wide fitness program and was there with us every day working out.After he PCS'd his replacement never attended unit PT.In the entire time I was stationed at Lackland my squadron commander never attended PT.While I was on my remote I never saw my squadron commander at any of the PT sessions unless the base commander ordered it.Long story short. If the Air Force wants to have a successful PT program the commanders and Shirts will have to get out and participate. They will need to get to know their folks and identify who the fit folks are and who the slugs are.How can any commander know the fitness of his folks if he is never out there with them while they are working out

Hondosarge, San Antonio

6/11/2009 2:41:11 AM ET
The Navy currently utilizes the twice a year PT test theory and it's funny because I overhear a lot of them say they're part of the 3 mile a year club. They don't run anymore than the mandated 1 12 miles twice a year. The bottom line is those that have an interest in their health and fitness will take the time to improve. Those that don't feel that fitness is a priority on top of a busy work and family life are still going to wait until the last minute to do anything about their physical fitness

Erica, Qatar

6/11/2009 2:06:09 AM ET
While I agree the PT program needs some work I think these changes go to far. 1 failure should not mean that an indivdual should get less than a 5 EPR. There could be a variety of reasons someone fails once - illness climate conditions etc. Addtionally if we are going to emphasize PT so much we need to use duty time for it - not just extending the duty day as many commanders have done.

Karen, RAF Croughton

6/11/2009 2:05:36 AM ET
While I agree the PT program needs some work I think these changes go to far. 1 failure should not mean that an indivdual should get less than a 5 EPR. There could be a variety of reasons someone fails once - illness climate conditions etc. Addtionally if we are going to emphasize PT so much we need to use duty time for it - not just extending the duty day as many commanders have done.

Karen, RAF Croughton

6/11/2009 1:12:24 AM ET
Please people you raised your hand and took an oath to protect and defend. Inherent in that oath is being all that you can be fit hard working dedicated celibate...the whole nine yards. It might make some sense to mix and match fitness programs with our sister services and even our Canadian cousins. What impact would it have to see a marine and an airman helping eachother get fit and win wars We need to pull back the throttle and stand for something

Kris, travis afb

6/10/2009 8:58:21 PM ET
The waist measurement is like saying that a person who is 6'4 has to have the same shoe size of a person who 5'8. They need to take height into consideration. Also run times situps should be the same for females/males. You see so many females who only have to do 10 pushups situps and they can take 14 min to do their run and still pass. Let commanders 1Sgt and supervisors be the judge and tell their people they need to drop 5lbs a month for 3 months and then reevaluate them. If they make progress great if not take action. 5 lbs a month is healthy weight loss as compared to people eating exlax and going on crash diets.

Dan, Elmendorf

6/10/2009 8:23:46 PM ET
How about we spend less money placing TV monitors in front of every single piece of cardio equipment and start buying real exercise eqipment like barbells pullup bars kettlebells and medicine balls. It's called crossfit people. Look it up. Fitness problem solved.

Marcus, CA

6/10/2009 7:22:06 PM ET
I still find it oddly funny that as much as the AF screams about fitness they neglect flexibility. The majority of fitness experts agree that it a major component. If the mindset is fit to fight then why are we scoring only 10 percent for pushups and situps What point is there to a 9 or 10 minute run time if you can't do the same with a 30lbs bag on your back Even the percentages out. I am however happy that the waist cicumference is a little more reasonable.

Joe, AK

6/10/2009 7:02:47 PM ET
I was lucky enough to retire last year after struggling with my weight and fitness. I had spent around a year at Wilford Hall with a brain tumor having five surgeries and part of my skull removed. With all the medicine and steriods I gained 50lbs in one month. I never could lose it no matter what I tried. I never had a weight problem before I got sick and I couldn't believe how I was treated. Lucky for me there were a few that had compassion for me. All I wanted was to complete my 20 years and retire. Please think before you judge everyone the same some of us can't help if we get sick. Because of the stress I made some bad career choices and have no one to blame but myself. However I just wish there was some understanding with leadership that not all weight issues are the same and they should be addressed separately. Proud to Serve

Lori , Tennessee

6/10/2009 6:44:22 PM ET
Can someone please tell me what the hell any of this has to do with AIR POWER By the squawking you'd think the headlines would be rife with stories of airmen having heart-attacks during a pitch Taliban fire-fight I dare anyone to produce any study that shows current AF fitness levels are detracting from completing the AIR MISSION or space or cyber or any other of our future missions. We are not the Army and our domain is not the ground. To those AFSCs that require an enhanced physical fitness standard I submit that those standards and practices are already in place. This current fitness craze seems to hit all aspects of the fraud waste and abuse spectrum.

Bob, Scott AFB IL

6/10/2009 6:00:49 PM ET
I think all that needs to happen is to have waist size comparative to a person's height. its hard for someone who is 6'5 tall to keep a 32 inch waist based on body composition.

Don, Davis Monthan AFB

6/10/2009 5:50:41 PM ET
I think PT should be done 5 days a week if we want to keep our Amn fit. I think it will the best think we could do.

Maria, Washington

6/10/2009 5:39:35 PM ET
The program lost its teeth when the weight charts went bye bye. In the old days you feared the scale not the PT test. Bring back the weight standards and see how fast people start getting in shape. Just my two cents...

DJ, Schriever AFB

6/10/2009 5:31:49 PM ET
Like one person above said we should just get on with the Army and Air Force recombination and be done with this fiasco. This is the direction we're headed.

Jesse, Edwards CA

6/10/2009 5:00:26 PM ET
This is the wrong way to go. The points should count toward WAPS then you will see motivation. How about going to the old Strategic Air Command standard 3 mile run And of course we will need more physical therapists.

Ray, FL

6/10/2009 4:56:59 PM ET
As Happy as I am with the new changes ahead I have to agree with some of the other comments in regards the body composition standards specifically the waist measurement for the Ideal weight depends on each individual body type. Endomorphs can never achieve the same body composition as a mesomorph or an ectomorph the assessment would be more effective if the individuals male or female body type is taken into consideration before the measurements take place. All and all thanks for a great push for a more efficient fitness program for it is the military fitness life I have lived for the past 18 yrs and will continue to live regardless of any change.

George C, Buckley AFB Aurora Colorado

6/10/2009 4:52:52 PM ET
Smoking is not illegal. expensive and not good for you but not illegal. These changes will not solve anything unless you already fit into the Cookie Cutter mold. Not everyone is the same but that's how everyone is grouped according to the so-called standards. Someone 5'2 can't run as fast as someone 6'3. It's not physical it's genentic. We've developed tested implemented and issued a completely new uniform in a shorter amount of time than it has taken to develop a fitness system that works. Lets just go back to the ERGO Test.

T.J., Ellsworth AFB

6/10/2009 4:50:42 PM ET
The Air Force is so worried about training us to be fit to fight that they've neglected to train the majority of us how to turn and fight. For the last decade we've been trying to seperate from other services and stand out which is a waste of time and tax payers resources since we all work as one with other services on the battle-field. We need to re-incorporate back into the Army Air Corpe way of thought and train to fight not just look good in our uniforms. Appearance and perception are important but so is performance under pressure. The military image will always be in question by the public and has been since prior to the Vietnam War.

David, Mountain Home

6/10/2009 4:48:14 PM ET
Train how we fight Please. We say Incorporate a more warrior ethos into the Air Force Do we practice hand ot hand combat Dragging a 200 pound wounded comrade to safety Pulling yourself up and over obstacles when beset by enemy fire No. We say RUN RUN RUN and pat ourselves on the back thinking we must be on target-- we are 'in good shape' Ridiculous application of the warrior ethos. If the Air Force wants to be like the Army then let's be the Army.

Mike, Colorado

6/10/2009 4:36:41 PM ET
I think overall the changes are positive however with only civilian proctors it is going to be a huge backlog on the assessments.

Tara, Offutt AFB

6/10/2009 4:26:10 PM ET
PT is a great thing for military members. However it seems that no one higher up the chain is aware of the fact that flightline mechanics work 5-7 days a week 10-14 hours a day. When that fact was exposed the daily schedule was inflated to 12 hours a day to account for duty time for PT. How is someone supposed to get up at 0530 for 0700 roll-call work until 5-7pm do PT for 1.5 hours go home shower and eat and do anything else that life throws at you And that doesn't include those members with kids... The PT program needs to be viewed from more angles than the top-down one.

Dave J, MHAFB

6/10/2009 4:01:52 PM ET
While on one hand I think this is a good change I do not totally agree. Ok so we took points off of the waist measurement and added them to the run. But we still have to maintain a 32 waist to get full points Name someone you know that is 6' or taller that has a 32 waist and I will tell you to make them eat a sandwich.

Ray, MacDill AFB

6/10/2009 4:01:07 PM ET
In order for the program to be completely efficient hopefully there are restrictions in place for personnel trying to go around the system through false medical claims to get out of the fitness test. I can already see personnel getting on permanent medical waivers not having to perform the PT test and staying in the Air Force that don't deserve it. Standards need to be met by all.

Riley, Virginia

6/10/2009 3:45:55 PM ET
Those of you complaining about the waist measurement and how it's unfair for larger framed people need to remember that if you are within your height vs. weight category and your BMI is within range you will get MAX points for that category. Waist measurements are only taken when you fall OUTSIDE the height vs. weight and BMI range is below 30. Say you have a 36 inch waist and are big-boned Drop some extra pounds and you'll be fine. You'll get max points for just being within your BMI waist be notwithstanding. It doesn't have to be about the waist if you don't make it. It's up to you. As a 5 foot 10 inch male age 33 I have to weigh at or less than 173 to get 30 points for that category. Also to the poster who said that a skinny person can blow off the pushups and just run fast. No longer. If you read the article it says there will be minimum standards for each category.

Tom, Sheppard AFB TX

6/10/2009 3:28:54 PM ET
Fitness should be a way of life especially in the military--all branches. Fitness testing should be more random like random urinalysis. We should always be prepared and in shape to pass. Fitness needs to become more of a culture in the Air Force right now it appears to only be an issue the month leading up to PT Testing.

Holly, Robins AFB

6/10/2009 3:27:16 PM ET
To be 6'1 235lbs i guess it's a good change. Be my only thing isin my career field the chance of me seeing armed combat is slim to none. so i wonder is there a plan in place to combine army-air force the the future like others have said 32 waist is a joke so i pose the question in hand to hand combat what guy do you want to be fighting with you Do you want a that guy who has th 32 waist that more than likey weights 150ish or that guy who looks like a linebacker I'm going for the big guy.........

jason, Hickam AFB

6/10/2009 3:18:43 PM ET
Outstanding news. The changes will pay positive dividends to the Air Force and to each individual that makes the commitment to their fitness. The Chair Force will just be a bad memory

Rich, Lackland AFB

6/10/2009 2:58:44 PM ET
This is definitely a step in the rightdirection for us folks with larger notneccessarily fat waistlines because ofour build who definitely are taking this fitness program seriously and workeven more harder at passing the test versus someone who is 5'2 with a 32 inch waist people with larger frames can be fit.Bravo to the changes.

Bob, Westover ARB

6/10/2009 2:50:06 PM ET
I notice no committment from leadership to provide adequate facitlities for year-round fitness training. Fairchild is finally working towards a new gym only because the roof on the existing WWII building collapsed this past winter due to snow. We need indoor running tracks and work-out centers large enough accomadate the military populations. Let the retirees and dependents go down-town.

Bill, Fairchild

6/10/2009 2:44:36 PM ET
While this is a better system there is still too much emphasis on the waist measurement. Those 10 points should of went to the pushups and situps and not the run. I'm 6'6 and my waist will never be 32 inches. But at the same time if I build up muscles to work on the pushups and situps then my weight goes up and I won't get the BMI...The waist measurement needs to either be drastically rethought or be done away with.

Kelsey, Mountain Home AFB

6/10/2009 2:43:03 PM ET
We have missed the most important part about being combat ready - strength testing. People who are skinny and can run long distances well can blow off the push-ups and sit-ups and still get a passing score. We should remove the waist measurement and have each section worth 33 percent of the total score. Then we would really have a leaner meaner Air Force.

Micah, Hanscom AFB

6/10/2009 2:40:49 PM ET
Good idea...

Shawn, Mountain Home AFB

6/10/2009 2:31:17 PM ET
Crossfit...if you read their goals and methods its exactly in line with what the military should be striving for.Can I ask what the practicalfunctional application of a pushup situp or BMI is

Dan, NY

6/10/2009 2:28:36 PM ET
I can see from all the comments posted that some peole will never be happy with this fitness assessment. Honestly folks if you are reasonably fit this test is a piece of cake. The only thing I would suggest is that the AF stop cramming group PT sessions down everyones throat. Save that for the guys who are struggling with the test and allow those of us who dont have a problem the small freebie reward of some extra personal time.

Bob, Wright-Patt

6/10/2009 2:16:59 PM ET
Well all that I can say is in my career field you can have a broken arm and two broken legs and still be able to do my job. Why does it matter if I can run 1.5 miles and do situps and push-ups The fitness program is just for some retiree to say because of me the Air Force has a PT test. What are we going to do in the Air Force with a bunch of fit dumb people with no leadership abilities Most of us smart people will be leaving. Well thinks for the college education I'm losing money by staying in anyways. Also I want to thank the guys for starting this PT test because now my legs have severe shin splints and it hurts my knees to walk. What about the families that lost loved ones because of heart attacks because of the PT test To me the program has cost the Air Force lives careers and money to replace broken equipment. At least the Doctors in the physical Therapist office will know that they will always have a job because of the injuries the Air Force has inflicted on it

Robert, Robins AFB GA

6/10/2009 2:13:50 PM ET
This is a step in the right direction but still far from common sense. Get rid of the waist measurement all together. Incorporate the fitness test into points for promotion. Let the commander make the judgment if an individual looks professional or not in uniform. Its sad to see that integrity issues force the ceation of the fitness assessment cells.

B, Mountain Home AFB

6/10/2009 1:56:04 PM ET
A step in the right direction but still needs fine tuning. I want to see how the evaluation AFI changes to reflect Fit Test scoring a further step is make the PT test scoring points toward promotion then it will be taken seriosly. I agree the BMI measurement still needs to be adressed as well it does not account for the three major body types. A simple waist tape does not accurately reflect BMI while caliper measurements are not exact they would be a better indicator over just tapeweight. Overall it seems a step in the right direction can't wait to see the final draft.

Jarod, Aurora CO

6/10/2009 1:50:54 PM ET
I don't see how this is a major change to the fitness program. The emphasis is still on the test instead of actual PT programs. We need to focus on how we train how we improve our overall fitness. Once a year or twice a year testing doesn't matter people will still cram for the test not lifelong fitness. And the people for whom fitness is really an issue will continue to seek exemptions from testing.

Amy, Texas

6/10/2009 1:39:01 PM ET
If AF leadership thinks PT is so vital as a warior and we have training for everything under the sun then why do they leave us high and dry on PT. No training no mandatory classes or education. PME dosen't even spend a day on it. We just workout in groups and people come up with programs from who knows where. Look around at the gym is everyone on the same page. Nope

Eric, Mountain Home

6/10/2009 1:38:48 PM ET
I think the idea of civilian test proctors will help avoid the problem of officers asking their enlisted members to alter the numbers for them on their fitness tests. This will enforce the necessary accountability without any fears of retribution.

Riley Lilley, Virginia

6/10/2009 1:31:16 PM ET
Mindset by leadership needs to change on the Flightline still or those maintainers' careers may suffer due to not getting time to PT. PT and PT testing is being stated as critical in the article yet AF leadership has let the AF member take all responsability to pass the test. Is that seting up someone for success. We only get involved when they fail.

Eric, Mountain Home

6/10/2009 1:24:17 PM ET
I am an American Airman.I am a Warrior.Maybe now people will take the second line a little more serious and actually mean it with a more stringent physical fitness program.

Robert, Mountain Home AFB

6/10/2009 1:08:21 PM ET
They need to leave the run how it is. Strength is more important they should take the points from the waist and distribute it to push-ups and sit-ups. Maybe even it out like the Army pt test.

Jess, Beale AFB

6/10/2009 12:47:45 PM ET
There are still bad parts to this. How are we going to test those people whose AEF commitment extends past the 6 month mark Why is my waist still over my push-ups and sit-ups I thought this was about physical fitness and not my waist. If I was in charge for a day I would make it 60 pts-Run 30 pts 15 ea PushSit-up and 10 pts for the waist. I say this because the big guys are always penalized for the waist. I am one of those and always smoke the run and physical bit but get hammered for my waist. Yet when I am deployed I would rather have a person who has some mass that could pull me out of a vehicle then have to rely on some scrawny guy who will need help. Just my two cents.

Blair, Cannon AFB NM

6/10/2009 12:20:07 PM ET
I like the fact that people not passing the new PT test will not be allowed an overall 5 on their EPROPR. Now they just need to take it a step further and make fitness 5 boxes on the EPR this would help kill all the bloated Firewall 5 ratings. The test dates should also be completely random so that people can't prepare for the upcoming PT test date.

J. Anderson, Travis AFB

6/10/2009 12:07:59 PM ET
Two positives- Reduced score percentage based on waist- Twiceyear testingNegatives- Apparently no fix of what constitutes a max score for waist nor any accounting for height- Testing centrally by fitness assessments cells is just stupid -- we'll have the kind of backlog delay and scheduling issues we had back with the bike test. Remember the fix -- having unit bike test monitors. This will be even worse because it'll be twice a yearOther If we REALLY want to show we're serious about PT put the actual scores on evals and EVERYTHING will change pretty quickly

Jim, DC

6/10/2009 12:06:40 PM ET
People have been missing the point regarding the running component for far too long. It's not actually about being able to run it's about using the ability to run as an indication of other things. Another way of saying this is that the typical in-shape person is able to perform the task of running whereas the typical out-of-shape person is not. Not to mention the fact that running is usually a very practical thing--you can do it anywhere. Our reaction to the running requirement should be to run more as a regular workout because it forces most of us make choices The behavior of running and the behaviors of a non-well lifestyle cannot coexist for long. Something will eventually give and the AF is obviously hoping it's the latter.

Jason, Mtn Home ID

6/10/2009 11:56:29 AM ET
Not the greatest but better then what we have now but what about people who ride profiles all year and get off just in time to take a test then get back on the profile They should also incorporate a pullup portion and combat fitness test to see how fit you really are. Just because you have a small waist and can run fast doesn't mean you can lift your own body weight or drag a 200lb man 100 yards. A great idea would be to get people crossfit certified in the Air Force then we really would be a fit-to-fight service.

Jason, California

6/10/2009 11:45:12 AM ET
I think this is a step in the right direction and an improvement from where we are now. While I still remain unconvinced of the validity of BMI as a calculation at least that is now a lesser part of the equation. Many people who are otherwise healthy -- can run well do situps and pushups well don't smoke etc. -- are simply bigger than others. The biggest win is the twice a year standardized fitness testing. Twice a year emphasizes staying fit vs just getting fit. Standardizing it reduces or eliminates the fudging of results in the buddy system.

Mike, Honduras

6/10/2009 11:34:20 AM ET
This is still a useless measure. The waist measurement score needs to be related in some way to a person's height and weight. A 35 waist measurement on someone who is 5'2 is a very different indicator of body fat than a 35 waist on someone who is 6'4 The only improvement here is that the waist measurement is now less of the total. Pushups and situps need to be worth more than 10 points each.

Kevin, Pease ANGB

6/10/2009 10:49:33 AM ET
We've talked about this issue for far too...time for action and accountability across the board...all Airmen officer and enlisted are responsible for their fitness...Airmen will emulate those that set the right example through action...this isn't just about mission readiness...it is so these warriors have the energy and stamina to enjoy life to its fullest with those that matter most to them.

Jon, Dayton OH

6/10/2009 10:08:00 AM ET
Revised...not really. Aside from making the run count more and composition count less nothing has changed. When will the AF realize that body composition analysis means absolutely nothing. Just another way for tall scrawny people to get the best score...

Dan, NY

6/10/2009 8:35:23 AM ET
I think all of these changes are long overdue for our program especially the ones being made with the waist measurement and the assessment portion. With testing going to twice a year there will be no more coasting until your testing time without risking your career. I applaud everyone who took a look at how to make this program better and while it may not be perfect it is far superior to where the Air Force was with fitness just 10 years ago.

Joe Cummings, San Antonio TX

6/10/2009 7:53:49 AM ET
Good About time.

Ken, Mountain Home AFB

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