Tuesday, March 4, 2008

How Intelligence Drives Operations at TSA

Bloggers Note: Keith Kauffman heads up TSA’s Office of Intelligence. He is a 20-plus year veteran of the National Security Agency (NSA) and is a well-established and respected member of the Intelligence Community. He joined TSA in May 2007. Click here for his full bio.


The Office of Intelligence (OI), which I lead, is part of the larger Department of Homeland Security Intelligence Enterprise and is responsible for integrating timely and actionable information into TSA's daily operations. We also use intelligence to educate and inform the TSA workforce, our partners in airports, airlines, mass transit, etc., and law enforcement on terrorist threats and the tactics, techniques and procedures used by our adversaries.

My office staffs a 24/7 watch operation, which receives intelligence information around the clock from a variety of sources. We have analytic personnel integrated into Intelligence Community organizations, which also gives us insight into evolving threats to U.S. transportation systems. In addition, first thing every morning, Kip Hawley, Mo McGowan (who leads our Office of Security Operations) and I, attend a daily meeting led by the National Counterrorism Center and all the major players in counterterrorism activities, which enables us to discuss and track emerging and ongoing threats.

My office briefs the TSA senior leadership team every morning on the intelligence we obtain and analyze. It's after these briefings that we discuss and use the information presented to make operational decisions. Intelligence we provide routinely results in decisions, such as determining which flights will be covered by our Federal Air Marshals (FAMs). Intelligence also leads to the development of new operational policies at the checkpoints. One recent example has to do with remote control (RC) toys. Our adversaries have been observed using RC toy components to help build, or to detonate Improvised Explosive Devices. The policy developed to help counter this threat in the aviation domain did not mandate prohibiting passengers from carrying RC toys on commercial airplanes. Rather, it educated our Transportation Security Officers about the potential threat from these devices and directed them to use their judgment in selecting passengers with RC cars for additional screening. We also made this information public at the same time—a first for us.

We also routinely use intelligence to inform our government and industry partners about threats we receive to their respective transportation modes, so they can take appropriate actions. We focus on threats to the U.S., but track and report on threats abroad as well.

For example, if we receive intelligence about threat to a foreign airport used by U.S. carriers, we make sure all the carriers providing service to that airport are aware and might also use that information to increase FAM coverage at those locations. We also work with foreign governments to increase security as needed. We also use intelligence to assist with operational exercises and joint exercises. Along with the Federal Aviation Administration in December, we used intelligence to design 13 realistic terrorism scenarios. Those scenarios, which were played out during the exercise, helped us and our FAA partners review and refine contingency plans and determine how best to work together, in the event that any of those or similar scenarios occur in the future.

I spent 24 years as a member of the Intelligence Community before coming to the TSA. Often, intelligence agency personnel don’t see the results of their efforts. It’s been incredibly rewarding personally, to see how the work done by the dedicated men and women of our agencies involved with the counterterrorism mission, is put to great use at TSA each day.

I also travel with my family and talk to my friends, some of whom have been know to grumble from time to time (and you know who you are!) about taking off their shoes, etc. I wanted to join this blog effort, so I could relay the same message to you that I’ve discussed with my family and friends. There really is a robust and dedicated intelligence effort in place at the TSA, that is well connected to the larger Intelligence Community and which drives everything we do on a daily basis, to protect our Nation’s transportation systems and those who use them for travel and commerce.

Keith Kauffman

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Anonymous said...

I appreciate the TSA Officers that work hard to protect the American people. The fact that many of the protected are so ungrateful is makes me nauseous. It is really sad. There has not been another successful attack aviation in the U.S. since the feds took over. If I have to put my toothpaste and shaving cream in my checked luggage and take off my shoes when I fly to ensure that it stays that way, then I will do it. Homeland Security is not about popularity so keep on doing what you are doing, TSA. Just keep us safe.

Don Kichline said...

Check out this blog post on how a mac book air made a person miss his flight.

Blog Post

Anonymous said...

"I appreciate the TSA Officers that work hard to protect the American people. The fact that many of the protected are so ungrateful is makes me nauseous. It is really sad. There has not been another successful attack aviation in the U.S. since the feds took over. If I have to put my toothpaste and shaving cream in my checked luggage and take off my shoes when I fly to ensure that it stays that way, then I will do it. Homeland Security is not about popularity so keep on doing what you are doing, TSA. Just keep us safe.

If the checked luggage was safe, if we dealt with professional people who knew the boundaries of their job- I would be more inclined to agree with you.

Anonymous said...

Care to comment on how the TSA caused blogger Micheal Inygard (http://www.michaelnygard.com/blog/2008/03/steve_jobs_made_me_miss_my_fli.html) to miss his flight because they didn't understand the concept of a solid state hard drive? I know these things are relatively uncommon but haven't you clowns ever scanned an iPod touch or an iPhone? Same technology. This is just like all the stories of government "security experts" being unable to tell the difference between LEDs with batteries attached and a bomb.

Anonymous said...

>> it was Apple's thinnest laptop ever that caused the latest holdup <<

This story is another example of lack of common sense. How hard is it to pull up the Apple web site and verify that this is a bona fide product and not some terrorist creation?

I could be in the same boat with my Panasonic Toughbook CF-17. It's fully ruggedized and weather resistant. The case is a magnesium alloy and the "ports on the back" are behind rubber covers, not instantly apparent to the untrained eye. It's also half the size of a standard laptop.

What criteria do the TSO's use to decide that a device is suspicious in some way? That it doesn't fit in with their personal knowledge of available products? If so, that's frightening.

Anonymous said...

Hi. Please teach your TSOs what COMPUTERS are. This guy had to reschedule a missed flight because the TSOs could not figure out what a MacBook Air was. (HINT: It's a laptop computer. Perhaps that can go out in a memo to everyone.) That is beyond understandable. The TSA is why I do not fly except when forced to by my job. Thank you!

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yangj08 said...

This all really worries me. The travelers post horror stories (the Dutch guy traveling to Las Vegas takes the cake right there), and the TSOs here say that such behavior should never be tolerated and to file a report. Does the average passenger have the time to do so when they're trying to catch a connection? No. Plus, the comments as a whole make the TSA sound really incosistent. There needs to be a mass retraining for everyone to avoid inconsistencies (and some basic knowledge of foreign countries might be nice- the Netherlands is in Norway? Seriously, how is that guy keeping his job?).

Jim Huggins said...

Can someone fix the HTML encoding in andrew's post above, so that the rest of the blog doesn't appear as one giant link?

Anonymous said...

Are you folks on stand down or something?

Anonymous said...

"Tsa: that government is not recognized by the tsa. And I know that the netherlands is in norway. So I need to see a drivers license."

Great story!


Executive level TSA should be ashamed by the performance of its people. Of course when a high school education is not required you reap what you sow.

ID checking in no way improves aircraft safety, just attempts control of a supposedly free peoples movement.

A sure way to stop this nonsense is for no one to present ID. Yes delays will be seen and felt but I think it would be for a short duration.

Trollkiller said...

Don Kichline said...

Check out this blog post on how a mac book air made a person miss his flight.

Blog Post


Thanks for posting a link to his blog, it provided more information than the other source.

Reading the blog it looks to me as if Mr. Seasoned Traveler did not allow enough time for the screening. If he would have been there the recommended two hours before departure he would not have missed his flight.

Reading the blog I noticed a few things, one the TSOs were not rude to him, two the TSOs did not seem to take an extraordinary amount of time to determine the Mac was safe to fly.

Sadly not everyone keeps up on the bleeding edge of consumer electronics. The TSOs did the right thing, they came across something they were not familiar with and investigated. Once they determined, with the help of a younger TSO, that the device was really a lap top, the man was on his way.

It is not the TSA's fault that the passenger did not get there with the recommended "time to spare".

The TSA has enough real faults to complain about, not knowing about a Macbook Air is not one of them.

Dave X the first said...

"ID checking in no way improves aircraft safety, just attempts control of a supposedly free peoples movement."

Well, the 9/11 hijackers had good government-issued IDs, so ID checking won't catch terrorists as organized as they were.

Maybe it does have a tiny benefit: it protects us from the idiot 0.001% of terrorists that think they should print their own IDs. ID checking also gives the TSA some work to do that makes it look like they are doing something security related while they are doing their BDO magic.

Also, ID checking is good for the airlines financially in that it makes it harder to sell otherwise unusable tickets.

Overall, I agree with you: the security benefit of ID checking is probably outweighed by the cost of doing it. Just like most of TSA.

Chance said...

Ladies and gentleman,

After looking at a couple of comments that bring up political affiliation, this is just a friendly reminder that all views adhering to the comment guidelines are welcome, no matter what side of the political spectrum you fall under. Accusing someone of belonging to one ideology or another is rarely helpful to the discussion. Thank you for your attention.

Chance - EoS Blog Team

Chance said...

Are you folks on stand down or something?

Hi, for myself, I wasn't on stand down, but I haven't had the oppurtunity to log on for the last couple of days. There have been 50+ comments since I last logged on, so it's impossible for me to answer them all, and for several of them I think we're just rehashing the same points over and over. I'll respond to a few, but I don't want this to become the "Chance responds to every single comment" entry.

Chance EoS Blog Team.

Chance said...

There have been several posts regarding the person who missed their flight due to additional scrutiny of his Mac Book Air. It is unfortunate that this flight was missed, and in a perfect world we'd be able to inform our TSO force about all the newest gadgets and gizmos, but that just isn't feasible in most cases. Our training departments does review new developments and technologies, in order to train up on them but in this case I can't imagine that this incident would have easily been avoided. Maybe we could make Wired Magazine required reading?

This does bring up a good point though. I don't know if who here is familiar with the concept of the "technological singularity", which I've read described as the hypothetical point at which technological changes will be coming so fast that humans will not be able to keep up with them, even in the abstract. Since even the most flexible organizations tend to be less able than individuals to keep up with outside changes, I wonder if there is an "organizational" tech singularity at a point well before the one for individuals?

Chance - EoS blog team.

Anonymous said...

Chance Wrote:
"In a perfect world we'd be able to inform our TSO force about all the newest gadgets and gizmos"

No, what is saddest about this is that there was a TSA member who was clearly telling his superiors that the machine was legitimate, and yet they still insisted on delaying him. If you can't trust your own fellow TSA employees, who can you trust?

Chance said...

No, what is saddest about this is that there was a TSA member who was clearly telling his superiors that the machine was legitimate,

There is a new post on this very subject, so you may wish to post any comments there.

Anonymous said...

re: just rehashing the same points over and over. I'll respond to a few, but I don't want this to become the "Chance responds to every single comment" entry.

Chance EoS Blog Team.


Chance, I thought that this blog was suppose to be a two way communication medium. I don't expect you or the other blog operators to answer each question but when a common idea is repeated someone in authority at TSA should comment. Otherwise you really have nothing except a bunch of people sounding off.

You guys at TSA have to contribute or you might as well turn this off now.

Thanks

Chance said...

Chance, I thought that this blog was suppose to be a two way communication medium. I don't expect you or the other blog operators to answer each question but when a common idea is repeated someone in authority at TSA should comment. Otherwise you really have nothing except a bunch of people sounding off.

You guys at TSA have to contribute or you might as well turn this off now.


Annonymous, I've clearly been contributing to the discussion, and will continue to do so, but this blog simply was not intended or structured to primarily be a "Yahoo! Answers" type site where every single comment is answered.

Chance - EoS Blog Team

Chance said...

TSA Week at a Glance (March 3-9) -- Our Version
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In the interests of full disclosure, I've compiled the TSA accomplishments for this week. There's still three days to go. And, unlike Kippie, I cite my sources.


Kippie? Very mature.

1 act of fear-mongering: Government Warns Of Terror Threat To Trains

If you read the paper itself, rather than the headlines or commentary, you immediately see that the paper in no way tries to hype up the threat. Additionally, it was not intended for public release. We have to balance getting out our products to the widest possible law enforcement and stakeholder audience with the need for information security, and sometimes that means people (for whatever reason) leak our products. This was hardly a case of fear mongering.

1 act of extortion: TSA launches search for the perfect laptop bag

Extortion? I'm not sure how this would be extortion. The whole point of this program is to respond to traveler's complaints about the process.

On your other points, if a TSO is reading this I'd like them to respond to them, since they involve screening.

I hope somebody picks up on this and posts it over on the blog. I dare them to publish it.

As I have said many, many, many times now, as long as your comments adhere to the comment policy and are at least somewhat on topic, they will almost always be published. Daring us, or even super-duper double daring us, will neither hurt nor help a comments likelyhood of being posted.

Chance - EoS Blog Team.

Anonymous said...

Annonymous, I've clearly been contributing to the discussion, and will continue to do so, but this blog simply was not intended or structured to primarily be a "Yahoo! Answers" type site where every single comment is answered.

Chance - EoS Blog Team

Well Chance seems like you only selected part of what I said to comment on. How about a do-over.

I said "I don't expect you or the other blog operators to answer each question but when a common idea is repeated someone in authority at TSA should comment."

See the part about "common idea.? As in a common line of thought, issue, complaint and so forth. I made it a point about not being able to answer each and every question but much like the TSA's other operations you try to spin a simple comment into something else entirely.

Anonymous said...

TSO NY has been notably absent after these comments and the following questions. How about it TSO NY, want to step up and answer some softball questions?



TSO NY said the following;

"that may be true, but without a prescription it doesn't go."

"It's all well to know the rules, but when you're on the checkpoint sometimes the rules get "changed" to suit the situation."

"TSA states that if those bottles are not labeled, they aren't allowed to go."

TSO NY, I suspect your a good guy but I have major issues with your statements. For one, on the TSA.gov website in the information for travelers it just does not say what you posted.

Medical items, prescription and over the counter. Must be declared but no prescription is required. Why do you think they call it over-the-counter?

Two, your going to change the guidelines at the checkpoint? By what authority? Does your personal authority exceed that of your agency?

And finally, how about a reference that says a bottle has to be labled?

I think your making up rules as you go and that is one of the big issues the traveling public has with TSA in general and TSO's in particular. The standards are on the TSA website, why don't you take a minute to read them.

Anonymous said...

From the Welcome Message by Kip Hawley when the Blog started;

"Our ambition is to provide here a forum for a lively, open discussion of TSA issues. While I and senior leadership of TSA will participate in the discussion, we are turning the keyboard over to several hosts who represent what’s best about TSA (its people)."
____________________________
I thought discussion took participation from multiple points of view including that of TSA and the message does say as much.

Anonymous said...

Last June I was coming back from Boston with my family. We went through security and my dad was the last one to go through. He didn't sleep well throughout our trip so he was groggy. He passed through the scanner and it went off because of his belt. The TSA agent on the other side asked to see his boarding pass (which is normal) and my dad showed it to him. After that, my dad put away his boarding pass, took off his belt, and went back through the scanner again. No beeps this time and everything was ok.

But as he walked to get his stuff another TSA agent (apparently he must've felt the first agent didn't check) asked my dad to see his boarding pass. My dad said he had just showed it to the first agent and put it away. The second agent insisted on seeing it. So my dad started to look for it but by now he had already started to gather all his things (jacket, belt, shoes, bag, etc) and lost track of where he put the ticket. The TSA agent kept pressuring him and my dad (still tired from the trip) was getting agitated and beginning to panic since he couldn't find his ticket.

My dad asked the 2nd agent why he had to see it again as he searched for it. The agent gave no reason and began to badger my dad. My dad responded and said, "what, you don't trust your own people to do their job?" Then another agent decided to join in and started telling my dad to show his ticket. My dad finally found it and gave it to them. At this point he was livid and began ranting on how they were just holding everything up and making a scene. So the 2nd TSA agent who started this whole mess continued to smart talk to my dad and said, "well, now you have to come over and we're going search you. This is what we call exacerbating the problem."

They searched my dad in front of everybody with the wand and patted him down. My dad said, "are you happy?" and took all his stuff and we went to our terminal. He was really pissed, all of us were. He's almost 60 and to have some young punk 20-30 year old go on a power trip was really irritating. Why couldn't the TSA members communicate? Why couldn't the first agent just tell the second agent, "I checked it already." Why did this kid think it was ok to badger someone for no reason? Why couldn't the TSA agent show some patience? If it weren't for the fact that National Security all of this is very serious stuff, this kid would've gotten a beat down.

After cooling off I went to talk with one of the TSA supervisors on duty (he somehow missed the whole episode). He asked why we didn't report it immediately (we were upset and needed to cool off). But we told him what happened and pointed out which agent gave us trouble. He immediately recognized the kid and mentioned that the kid has had past issues as well.

Intelligence may drive the operations at TSA, but you also need intelligent people to carry it out. I've never had problems in the past, but this really sucked.

Anonymous said...

I am curious to know if there would be a way to incorporate Nexus security with the TSA framework: That is, I have already been screened (a lot), fingerprinted, iris-scanned and mug shot taken all before I was granted this privelege.

Wouldn't it be great to incorporate all that into a "He's already been checked really well" line that I could use the card in to bypass the shoes, belt, etc. Obviously subject to random searches - no problem - but as I fly for a living it would be nice to see DHS and TSA become partners on this occasion.

--William from Vancouver

Anonymous said...

What is the point of any of this? The terrorist attack that succeeds is probably going to be the one you are not prepared for. There are many energetic chemicals that will not be detected by the current screening or any conceivable future screening. If a conventional explosive is packaged correctly it will not be detected. There are plenty of sharp items that will not be detected. If someone contaminated an airport with a small amount of dispersed conventional explosive, the airport would have to be shut down or not detect explosives being smuggled in a conventional way. If there were 50 terrorists on the same plane they could probably batter down the cockpit door with the corpse of a flight attendant with no weapons at all. These are just a some things I thought up in a few minutes. A terrorist will put much more thought into it, and they read the news as well. Why do you think intelligence will prevent much in the way of attacks? I think a better solution is to put in some basic security, hire some more air marshals, put the money saved into an insurance fund to compensate the families of the bereaved when another sucessful attack happens, and we can eliminate most of the stress hassle and lost time of the current screening proceedures. Our best defense from terrorism is to make it so no one wants to blow up airplanes. This is probably an issue for foreign policy, however.

Anonymous said...

Thanks, this blog is a good idea!!
I live in Hawaii and just returned from a trip to Ca and AZ. I didn't have any problem with TSA this trip, they were very efficient. My problem is with stupidity. I love America. America sent people to the moon and ships to Mars. So why is it I see old fat white people being frisk in the TSA lines. It is like there is no common sense. For me the highest function of intelligence is common sense. It is embarrassing, it just seems so stupid, I can't get over it. I think racial profiling would be a better solution than appearing to be more stupid than a box of rocks. But what do I know. And I never worked for "No Such Agency".
Sincerely, LV Tucker

Abby said...

It'd be nice if they had the intelligence to open an unlocked hard suitcase without breaking the locks.

Anonymous said...

some of the stories i read on this blog sound like passengers are getting harrassed and TSO's are not following proper protocol... there needs to be more disipline for TSO's that act like this when it isnt needed

Anonymous said...

How intelligence drives operations at TSA?

I see a nearly complete lack of intelligence on the part of TSA. I flew from Oklahoma City, to Houston, then on to South Carolina with my tool chest. Upon arrival I went to a customer site to repair their equipment. The tool chest was opened and I discovered a total mess, the result of an unsecured container having opened up. My tool chest is how I make my living. It is provided to me by my company so it really doesn't belong to me at all. I expect TSA inspectors to have the common courtesy to repack it the way it was originally packed, not just thrown together willy-nilly.

You demand respect/courtesy on the part of the traveling public but show a remarkable amount of contempt towards the belongings that people must allow to be inspected by TSA. This is a double standard and as such shows an out of control agency who answers to no one.

Anonymous said...

TSO NY,

I see that your still responding in the various blog threads, however you seemed to miss my remarks/question back to you.

I'll give you another opportunity to clarify your comments since they are in direct disagreement with what TSA has published on its website. Perhaps your just a bunch of hot air with poor training helping to maintain TSA's poor image.

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TSO NY said the following;

"that may be true, but without a prescription it doesn't go."

"It's all well to know the rules, but when you're on the checkpoint sometimes the rules get "changed" to suit the situation."

"TSA states that if those bottles are not labeled, they aren't allowed to go."

TSO NY, I suspect your a good guy but I have major issues with your statements. For one, on the TSA.gov website in the information for travelers it just does not say what you posted.

Medical items, prescription and over the counter. Must be declared but no prescription is required. Why do you think they call it over-the-counter?

Two, your going to change the guidelines at the checkpoint? By what authority? Does your personal authority exceed that of your agency?

And finally, how about a reference that says a bottle has to be labled?

I think your making up rules as you go and that is one of the big issues the traveling public has with TSA in general and TSO's in particular. The standards are on the TSA website, why don't you take a minute to read them.

Anonymous said...

tso ny or anyone from the TSA blog team -

I asked awhile ago why it is that I'm unable to bring contact solution through the screening line (I'm unable to purchase the kind I use in anything smaller than a 4oz bottle) - why is it that it gets tossed out when it's apparent that I wear glasses and contacts (bringing extra contacts, contact case, solution, prescription glasses and case in my carry on as well) for medical reasons?

Also - if the contact solution is supposed to be exempt from the liquids specifications because it has a medical use, how is it that I inform the TSA officers in the airport I fly in and out of at least twice a month of this fact?

Thank you and I look forward to your answer.

Anonymous said...

1 act of extortion: TSA launches search for the perfect laptop bag

Extortion? I'm not sure how this would be extortion. The whole point of this program is to respond to traveler's complaints about the process.


How about a typical response of "this is a TSA approved laptop bag. You will comply with policies and use this laptop bag or else."

You wonder where I came up with this. Just look around at some of your own signs (i.e. pack your bag like this, not like this). We pack our bags the way we pack them, not for your easy access.

Anonymous said...

TSA,

Note today's Washington Post article on the TSDB Watch List (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/17/AR2008031702438.html). Does TSA have a formal nominating procedure for placing people on the watch list like the FBI does?

SeeSaw said...

Anonymous (March 17, 2008 4:53 PM)

"Also - if the contact solution is supposed to be exempt from the liquids specifications because it has a medical use, how is it that I inform the TSA officers in the airport I fly in and out of at least twice a month of this fact?"

Obviously, no one can answer except for the specific TSO's that apparently don't know that contact solution is ok.

My question for you is : If you lose your solution every time you fly (2 times a month), why haven't you purchased a smaller bottle to put it in? They do sell them, you know.
That would be a solution to your solution problem.

SS

Patented Patience said...

I just read the Michael Nygard blog. While many of you are finding the ignorance of the TSOs amazing, something sticks in my mind. The entire conversation and scenario he described couldn't have taken more than ten minutes.

So.....how much time did Michael Nygard give himself to make it to his plane?

Patented Patience said...

Reasonable amounts of contact solution are exempt from the 311 rule. Although, your large health and beauty products are always permissable in checked baggage.

--On liquids, pastes, gels, creams and other liquified items:
You have options. You don't have to surrender them. I guess it hasn't been repeated enough.

1.)You can check the carry-on bag, or the liquids to an already checked bag (so long as your airline can still access your bag).
2.) You can run them out to your car. Give them to a friend or family member outside of the checkpoint. Heck, you can give them to the first stranger you see, if you'd rather they not go to waste.

Anonymous said...

You have options. You don't have to surrender them. I guess it hasn't been repeated enough.

1.)You can check the carry-on bag, or the liquids to an already checked bag (so long as your airline can still access your bag).
2.) You can run them out to your car. Give them to a friend or family member outside of the checkpoint. Heck, you can give them to the first stranger you see, if you'd rather they not go to waste.


Sorry, but you're wrong. At some inconsistent airports once you enter the screening process they will confiscate any item deemed by the screener to be illegal and will not give you any options.

Anonymous said...

My question for you is : If you lose your solution every time you fly (2 times a month), why haven't you purchased a smaller bottle to put it in? They do sell them, you know.
That would be a solution to your solution problem.

SS


Ah, common sense. Unfortunately, unmarked bottles are, quite often, confiscated. Please see TSO NY comments about that.

Anonymous said...

"Patented Patience said...
Reasonable amounts of contact solution are exempt from the 311 rule."

The TSA website says: "Additionally, we are continuing to permit prescription liquid medications and other liquids needed by persons with disabilities and medical conditions. This includes:

All prescription and over-the-counter medications (liquids, gels, and aerosols) including KY jelly, eye drops, and saline solution for medical purposes;"

First, since when is the TSA authorized to determine what a reasonable amount is? Do they have a medical doctor's license? If not, then the determination of what is medically necessary is outside their purview.

Second, saline is permitted without regards to quantity. My other contact lens solutions are permitted without regards to quantity since I have a disability (can't see without them). So as long as I declare them to the TSO, they are permitted.

SeeSaw said...

Anonymous (March 19, 2008 11:46 PM)
said:
"Ah, common sense. Unfortunately, unmarked bottles are, quite often, confiscated. Please see TSO NY comments about that."

Sorry, I haven't read all of TSO NY's posts. But, is he referring to bottles with unmarked contents? Or bottles with unmarked size? I can understand if they refuse bottles with unmarked size...

SS

Anonymous said...

To SS; this is what TSO NY posted,

"TSO NY said the following;

"that may be true, but without a prescription it doesn't go."

"It's all well to know the rules, but when you're on the checkpoint sometimes the rules get "changed" to suit the situation."

"TSA states that if those bottles are not labeled, they aren't allowed to go.""

............................

TSA.gov website is pretty clear on items of a medical nature. They must be declared and not be part of your Kippy bag.

Given that a TSO does not required a high school education one must approach each TSO as being the lowest common denominator.

Would you trust a non-high school educated person to determine your health and medical needs? That is exactly what TSO NY is doing, and TSA will not respond to repeated request for clarification.

TSA silence indicates TSA support for TSO NY's interpetation of TSA guidelines.

How soon before a person is injured by this out of control rouge agency?

Anonymous said...

Re the comment on TSOs being the ones to help the single mother struggling with a stroller and two kids:

I am a single mother. I try to avoid flying with my 4-year-old daughter; between the crumbling air service, the security gauntlet, and trying to manage luggage for two plus the child, it's just too much. And if you want to hear yourself sounding ridiculous, try explaining to a four-year-old why you have to take off your shoes so the police can make sure you're not a bad guy.

Last week, though, we flew. Did TSOs help? No. On the contrary. I had one guy giving me orders to keep moving and put belongings in various trays, then push them through the x-ray machine myself; meanwhile, my daughter was wandering away. Did anyone offer to keep an eye on her, or say "Just stay there till your mom's done, sweetheart"? No. Did the TSO offer to push the trays through the machine himself to help speed things along or let me deal with my daughter? No; he just stood there and watched me do it. Did the TSO at the metal detector crack a smile for my frightened daughter as I tried to get her to go through by herself? No.

No, the TSOs were not kindly and helpful. The clincher came from my daughter, who asked me, after we were through, whether those people were the good guys or the bad guys. She wasn't sure because the metal-detector lady looked so mean. We live in a part of the country where courtesy and respect for others are taken seriously, and efficiency is a little less important than treating people decently. I can see why my daughter thought the officer might be a bad guy. I found the TSOs chilling, too.

I'm originally from New York and don't mind people trying to keep a busy place moving snappy, but even in a busy place you can afford a smile and some humanity. And I don't remember this TSO attitude from the last time we traveled 2.5 years ago. I think it's getting worse with practice.

I would suggest that you take a tip from the Navy officer who's posting here.

Old classic car trader said...

Hi Dave, I read your article, "How Intelligence Drives Operations at TSA" and I like it very much because your knowledge about Office Intelligence is just mind blowing, and I think you are a good leader in your office.

John Gardner, Rancho Santa Margarita, CA, USA

Alex said...

As a civilian, I don't really agree about people who say they are taking away civil liberties and comparing them to NAZI. That's really just stretching it. It's kind of ridiculous that makes me roll my eyes. I do my best to follow regulations. I do grumble, but just very rarely.

Matildo said...

even how well trained and how sophisticated the hardware's in detecting these bad guys, still they can manage to under pass the security, they been studying these too and make their counter attact, so for me the best means to be effective is to let the public know how to deal with terrorist that they will inform right away to the authority whenever they suspected something fishy personality in the airport

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