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Fitness regulation changes based on Airmen's feedback

Posted 12/22/2010

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by Tech. Sgt. Amaani Lyle
Secretary of the Air Force Public Affairs

12/22/2010 - WASHINGTON (AFNS) -- As Air Force officials continue to sculpt their fitness program based on Airmen's feedback, service officials issued an AF Guidance Memorandum here Dec. 20 that provides policy changes to AFI 36-2905, Fitness Program, with an implementation date of Jan. 1, 2011.

Compliance with the program is mandatory and outlines notable clarifications from the original July 1 guidance, such as specified waist-measurement procedures, sit-up and push-up instruction and clarity of target-component values to achieve an overall passing score.

"We not only have an increase in 'excellent' scores since the new fitness program's implementation in July, but in terms of the guidelines, Airmen have talked, and we've listened," said Brig. Gen. Sharon K.G. Dunbar, the director of force management policy. "We'll continue to fine-tune the Air Force instruction so that Airmen are afforded the greatest opportunity to succeed with little room for ambiguity or misinterpretation of the instructions."

The service's top enlisted leader said the new guidance will hopefully foster Airmen's continued success and understanding of the program, leading to an overall healthier way of life.

"Airmen are embracing the change in our fitness culture," said Chief Master Sgt. of the Air Force James Roy. "These minor adjustments to the guidance on the test are meant to increase our Airmen's understanding of how the test works. While emphasis may seem like it's on the test itself, we really are encouraging our Airmen to develop healthy lifestyles."

The AFGM 2 contains but is not limited to the following revisions:

-- Fitness assessment cells will supervise Airmen conducting push-ups, sit-ups, and the 1.5-mile run or 1.0-mile walk at a ratio of no more than 12 members for every one FAC staff member or physical-training leader. When multiple Airmen are testing, they will pair off and count for each other with FAC oversight.

-- For push-ups, Airmen will place their palms or fists on the floor, with hands slightly wider than shoulder width apart and elbows fully extended. Feet should be no more than 12 inches apart and should not be supported, braced or crossed. Elbows will be bent at 90-degree angles and arms should be fully extended but not locked in the up position for the push-up to count. The Airman's chest may touch, but not rest or bounce on the floor. Airmen may move their hands or feet from the floor or bridge or bow their backs, but only in the up or rest position; resting any other body part on the floor is not allowed. Any resting other than in the up position will cause the test to terminate, and the score will be based on the correct number of push-ups performed to that point.

-- For sit-ups, members will cross arms over the chest so that any part of the hands or fingers remains in contact with the shoulders or upper chest at all times. Airmen may request that their feet be held down by the assessor's hands or knees, but the assessor may not anchor members by holding behind the calves or by standing on the feet. When members' hands or fingers come completely away from the chest or shoulder, or if their buttocks or heels leave the ground, the repetition will not count. The member may request a member of the same gender to hold the feet and that request must be granted. Where available, an anchored toe-hold bar may be used.

-- Any attempts to alter heart rate, such as intentional slowing or stopping during the walk, are violations and will cause the test to be terminated, resulting in test failure. Airmen testing via the 1.0-mile walk are required to walk, not run, as quickly as possible, keeping at least one foot in contact with the ground at all times.

-- Abdominal circumference assessment will begin with the tester on the right side of the Airman, who will stand on a flat surface. The tester will locate the measurement landmark immediately above the right uppermost hip bone, the superior border of the iliac crest, at the side of the body vertically in line with the right armpit (midaxillary line). Airmen may use one hand to initially assist the tester in anchoring the tape measure to the body, but must remove the hand from the tape measure before the official measurement is recorded. Measurement will be taken on bare skin. The free hand may be used to hold the shirt out of the way, but no part of the hands or arms may extend above the shoulders.

-- Active-duty, Air Force Reserve, and guardsmen under Title 10 Airmen must retest within 90 days following a failed fitness assessment. Unit commanders may not mandate Airmen to retest any sooner than the end of the 90-day reconditioning period. However, Airmen may volunteer to do so. Retesting in the first 42 days after an "unsatisfactory" test also requires unit commander approval in accordance with medical guidelines. It is the Airman's responsibility to ensure he or she retests before the 90-day reconditioning period expires and non-currency begins on the 91st day.

-- Any Airmen deployed for less than one year to a location that administers fitness assessments may complete fitness assessments on a volunteer basis only. Airmen will automatically be considered "exempt" if they are in a deployed location and their current fitness assessment expires.

-- Commanders will exempt Airmen who are on terminal leave or permissive temporary duty in conjunction with retirement or separation, incarceration, on appellate leave or excess leave pending separation from the fitness assessment.

-- Basic military training Airmen will complete official fitness assessments via training cadre physical training leaders. Graduated BMT Airmen will hand carry fitness assessment score sheets for input into the Air Force Fitness Management System by the FAC at their first duty station or the military training leader or unit fitness program manager at technical training school, whichever location they report to first.

-- Recognition patches for members achieving and maintaining "excellent" fitness assessment scores is deleted.

For the complete AFGM 2, visit the Air Force e-publications site. An Air Force assessment video will be posted to the Air Force Fitness Program web page http://www.afpc.randolph.af.mil/affitnessprogram/index.asp in January 2011. It will provide a definitive set of instructions for administering and taking the Air Force physical fitness test. The video shows proper form, the "do's and don'ts," and common pitfalls to avoid for the push-ups and sit-ups.

Comments

7/8/2011 4:05:25 PM ET
Since the "fail-one fail-it-all" started, it is hard for some who struggle with the run, for instance, to pass. I work out 4-5 times a week and have been working on the run to try and pass. I max out everything else but if I don't make the run I fail the whole thing. I know the AF is trying to weed out the weak but some of us who struggle have alot of experience in our fields and contribute alot. I feel they should do away with the "fail-one fail-it-all" concept. I love my job and I bust my backside to try and and pass.

SSgt S, FL

7/7/2011 10:05:56 AM ET
To MSGT GA. Your answer to ANGANG is right in one respect: Traditional Guardsmen are all expected to do the same task as AD and could be called up at anytime. However, your comment about AD required to PT on your own time is not really accurate. On AD, you are paid to be on duty 24/7, the Guardsman is not. And if you are injured on AD while doing PT you are covered, the Guardsman is not. That is the difference so no, it is not really fair.

SMSgt ANG, Portland

6/8/2011 5:27:41 PM ET
AC measurement - worthlessBMI - more than worthless Let's change the test to body-fat percentage. In my opinion this would be the best measure of actual health and a good judge of the military appearance. And why do people complain about any of this being too hard? It's your job, it's all very easy to train for and most of you would probably improve if you just ate right. This is the military a physical profession if you cannot perform the required tasks you need a new job.

Moore, DM

6/7/2011 2:37:14 PM ET
A1C Hedgepeth, I am also an A1C soon to put on SrA. The problem with the new PT standard is that people like me fail it and it ruins us. I am an A1C and am on 7 programs as the primary. That means that as far as job proficiency, I surpass several NCO's. But since I can't run a marathon my career is in jeopardy. I come close to maxing out all but the run. Why don't I train more? Because I am too concerned about my shop. I work an average of 14 hours every day to ensure that all is done on time yet I get punished. If I worked out all day instead of working or went to college instead of working, I would be an exceptional airman. But since I only worry about my job, I might get kicked out. Can someone explain that logic to me please?

Cody, Tinker AFB

6/3/2011 11:53:19 AM ET
As long as you have a set date to pass a test, those with enough time on their hands will pass it. You are creating a force of hoop jumpers who don't mind leaving their work centers even in times of hardship to prepare for an impending test. The whole idea is to have a fit force at all times. There is only one way to do that. When you are subject to a fitness test at any time, regardless of when your last one was, is when you have a true picture. Every ridiculous half-step toward this ideal state is a stupid waste of time and money.

MSgt Byidiots Surrounded, Peterson AFB

5/24/2011 12:54:56 AM ET
Jon from USAFE, Where do you get your info? I am a PTL and have been for over a year now and not once has BMI ever come into play. I haven't heard of anyone having a BMI test done in some time. Even so, I would fail the BMI portion beacause I AM in shape, VERY good shape. 6'3, 230, with about 7 percent body fat. BMI goes purely on height-weight ratio. According to it I am borderline obese which is not even close to being accurate. If you have any other info please... share it with us all... WITH credible resources.

TSgt H, Cannon AFB

5/20/2011 9:44:55 AM ET
Years later and it's the same old story -- waist measurements -- and it's ridiculous. If you can max out everything but the waist, you will get your BMI height/weight ratio and you will be exempt from the waist measurement. If you are as fit as you say you are, then you will have a BMI of less than 25 -- end of story. And you get the full points for waist. I am so tired of hearing about all these people nagging about their 196-pound, 6' 7" physique, yet boast a 39-inch waist. Guess what? Your BMI maxes you out. You get all points regardless. Stop posting about this ridiculous subject.

Jon, USAFE

5/17/2011 6:45:12 PM ET
Sir, I am very concerned about those coming off of fitness medical profiles. If you do not pass, you get 90 days to retest; but if you come off of a medical profile, you only get 42 days or less. Some of us do not even have profiles, just fitness waivers, even though medical infromation has been given to the AFR unit. This practice does not even give the member time to get back into shape after coming off of a fitness profile. Across the country, members are taking large amounts of torodol, motrin or other medication to try to pass this test. Someone with some rank and expertise needs to review what is being told to members nationwide about fitness waviers, audit the situation and get this clarified. I do not have much rank, but I suspect that the intent and what is being told to members does not match, and everyone is afraid to say anything due to promotion.

Sgt who is trying, Illinois

5/12/2011 3:27:01 PM ET
The standards are important. We should be healthy and in shape. However, there are a lot of people in the AF with jobs based on their brains. In the weather field, I'd rather have a forecaster that can forecast rather than run 1.5 miles in 11 minutes. Health is and should be a concern, but many of us joined the Air Force because we score well in intelligence. There needs to be a balance between what is needed for our jobs and what keeps us healthy. You also have to look at culture. The Air Force, since I have been in, has had a major culture change as far as PT goes. In the 90s, you never saw regular PT and people running around the base all day. Now I see it everywhere. That is great. However, culture change was the target and now we are shooting past that target and want everyone to be a marathon runner. Is it necessary? I don't want to see an Air Force full of fat bodies, but there has to be some compromise.

Publio Casillas, Keesler AFB MS

5/12/2011 9:49:45 AM ET
How about everybody stops whining about the waist requirement? Making the claim that someone has a big frame only goes so far. Nobody just has a 39-inch waist without making certain lifestyle choices. For all these super/fast/strong heavyset supermen with a 39-inch waist and the inexplicable ability to max everything else out: It's only an eight point deduction for being the bare minimum in that category. If all you 39 inchers are so broken up about the eight-point loss for waist, and you're all still so totally awesome at everything else, how are you on the verge of failing? Where are the other 17 points being deducted? Also, why are you not in the NFL? Maxing out the PT test should be a rare and difficult feat; even getting a 90 should be something worked hard for. Someone who is naturally big has the same problem as someone who is naturally slow or naturally weak and is deducted as such. The standard is set: 35 is the point people are being penalized. Deal with it.

SSgt RJR, Fort Meade

5/9/2011 2:09:36 PM ET
The issue I have with the PT test is the same as everybody else. However, I challenge anybody to claim I'm fat or not hitting the gym enough. I'm 6'7 198 pounds. I run the 1.5 miles in 9:06. I do 58 pushups and 60 situps in a minute. However, my waist while in complete shape is only 36.5. Kind of b.s. to knock a guy for being tall. Straight outta high school about 40 pounds ago I was still only a 35.5 inch waist. Tell a 6'7 198 guy fat. Try it. Compare that with the many 5'7 guys with 35 inch waists. They get full points but sure are fat. Height needs to come into account as far as scoring goes. By the old standards I always had a 100. By new standards perfect is impossible. Way to encourage pursuing better things AF.

SSgt W, Ft. Meade

5/4/2011 11:29:30 AM ET
I was a personal trainer before joining the USAF. I have been permanent party for 1 month and 1 week. I am 25 yrs old. From experience I will outline some of your complaints and let you know why they are valid or invalid. The minimum standards for the Air Force are too easy for a military readiness program. Waist measurement may not effect how well you run but it does effect your health and the Air Force's objective. If your waist is oblique or bigger than acceptable it is most likely because you are gaining too much weight or have -under abdomen- fat that is extremely unhealthy and a sure sign you are on the wrong diet. Either way you are doing something that causes damage to yourself and disrupts the mission. What can be fixed? The Air Force needs to save more tax dollars. They can do this by simply deciding to have Airmen within a certain rank or time in service that are specifically used for readiness and pick up that weapon to fight.

A1C Hedgepeth, Lackland

4/25/2011 2:27:26 PM ET
MSgt G Kunsan, I'm 6-2, 245. I run a sub-11 1.5 mi and max push ups and sit ups, but I'm borderline every test on the waist. I bet I spend more time in the gym than you do. So I'd say there is a problem with standards. The waist measurement is just juvenile. It was someone's not-so-good idea. If you can perform the required movements with a satisfactory score, that should be good enough. Because God blessed some with a thin frame vice a heavier one, that seems kind of prejudicial.

Maj P, DC

4/25/2011 11:21:47 AM ET
I am deployed and they are telling us they don't care if we have a new rule that we are exempt from testing while deployed they are testing us anyway. They say it won't count but its the principle that matters to me So 1 pushup 1 situp and run 1 lap is all I am doing

TK, South America TDY

4/22/2011 1:32:04 PM ET
Considering the majority of the AF sit in offices all day and don't do much more upon TDY, the fitness standards mean nothing. It's just years of getting made fun of by Marines and Army that are behind this. And like someone said, if you are a bigger person, your waist would be bigger even if your body fat was 4 percent. Just a dumb idea all around. If you can run the required distance, for example, without stopping, that should be enough. If it was a matter of safety, then these standards would be equal across the board regardless of age, sex, etc.

SGT JB, Michigan

4/22/2011 11:22:42 AM ET
I tested at Kirtland and Maxwell in the same week. There was an 8 point difference because of the altitude change. I find it frustrating that my peers at a lower altitude have an 8 point advantage over me just because they got assigned to a different base.

NA, Kirtland

4/22/2011 3:53:21 AM ET
I read through some of these comments and from being around for some time have come to realize that the people who complain are the ones not in the gym. If they are they then have hand-to-mouth disease...eating too much. Listen I'm old I'm tall...I have a 32 inch waist and I run the mile in a half in under 11 minutes. Nothing is wrong with the standards - there is something wrong with the mentality of some of you. It's a standard meet it or pack...yes, I used to be heavier - I just did something about it.

MSgt G, Kunsan

4/20/2011 7:05:00 AM ET
Why not switch the pushups to the situps min and situps to the pushups - I could pass then.

Amn, Mtn Home

4/18/2011 8:42:49 AM ET
This PT stuff just gets in the way of beer drinking and TV time. JK

Sgt P, Out There

4/13/2011 4:08:11 PM ET
Based on the responses here one thing is certain: controversial standards clearly cause an increase in 'fitness-mindedness'.With that in mind I can't help but consider the long-term cost-savings regarding medical healthcare when you have more people actually interested in improving their own health.

SSgt A, SA T

4/13/2011 2:10:25 PM ET
When I was in the US Army in my late thirties I made it a point to pass the same PT Test that my 18 year old Soldiers had to pass so they would have an example from Leadership. After my knee injury I did gain some inches on my waist but I watched my diet and did pushups and situps nearly every day which helped me to pass the test. Perhaps the Air Force could use the Army's Waist and Neck Comparison Measurement test as a better standard.

AF CivRetired Army E-7, Alaska

4/11/2011 7:25:35 PM ET
I saw the revisions and was not ok with the new test. I like PT and like being fit. But I don't agree with the AC measurement, standard point system. What's worse is your OPR or EPR/career hangs in the balance whenever you test.

Sergeant, AMC

4/8/2011 7:06:23 PM ET
I had big doubts about the tape since I outran my excellent scoring Airmen by minutes yet scored in the 80s because of my waist. So I read the Navy studies on estimating BMI using height and waist circumference the basis for the old AF and current Navy standard and the study indicating increased health risks for persons with waists over 40 the basis for the current AF standard. These all say the tape is a somewhat accurate gauge of BMI but clearly state it should not be used as a standard. These studies merely recommend evaluation by a physician if a high BMI is indicated. Using body type to make it difficult for some to pass regardless of ability and performance level especially when the medical basis for the standard contradicts it is just bad policy. Spending tens or hundreds of thousands training people only to weed them out based on this is a grossly wasteful use of tax dollars.

Lt L, US

4/8/2011 4:32:49 PM ET
What's the deal with minimum test requirements for sit-ups/push-ups? You need more push-ups than sit-ups to achieve a max component score; however, you need more sit-ups than push-ups for the minimum pass requirement.

TSgt, Ellsworth

3/19/2011 12:09:33 AM ET
At least the folks are listening to some of the VALID concerns about the PT program. For those who are advocating separate standards for different career fields I say this It is already being done. Career fields such as Combat Controller and PJ's already have more stringent PT requriements. What AFI 36-2905 prescribes are the MINIMUM standards for our Air Force to be fit to fight. I am an Intel guy who sets at a computer all day, but while deployed I could have been expected to pick up a 50-cal and defend a convoy. My family knows that the military is demanding so they understand when I need to go run bike etc. We don't know where we might be needed and to apply more watered-down standards to fitness would cripple our readiness ability to respond to tasking. What we need are commanders who will get MORE serious about kicking people out who don't meet the minimum standards. THAT IS WHY THEY ARE CALLED STANDARDS. IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT DON'T RE-ENLIST.

TSgt, Goodfellow AFB TX

3/18/2011 12:04:35 PM ET
I agree with the altitude however I don't agree with not getting your run time back. I PCS'd here from Sheppard AFB and though it took me a while I'm running my best run time ever here. I was running at 1245 at Sheppard and on a good day I can run 12-flat here in CO. The point of them taking away the altitude points is they say that if we train here we can pass. Agreed but the fact remains is altitude does make a difference. It took me 8 months to get my run time back...not 6 weeks. I can score over a 90 just fine but I've been a PTL for as long as I've been in the AF and have heard complaints from those who are actually trying. I've seen people who can outrun me ANY DAY not score very high bc of their waist. And they're not fat by any means. Some are just big-boned and if they tried to meet the min standard on waist they would just look downright sickly.

SSgt B, Peterson AFB

3/18/2011 5:28:25 AM ET
I just wonder if this is a fitness program or an appearance program. That waist size keeps shrinking in the minimum standard. I'm an older bigger guy but can outrunperform most of my younger troops, but my bigger waist does not always out score them. So my performance shows that I am more FIT than them but my score because of waist size does not. Makes sense.

Deadanimal, RAFL

3/17/2011 8:46:09 AM ET
BOTTOMLINE - For those of you that want to complain about the PT test saying that you don't have the time, remember that it is part of your job to be fit. If you evaluate the time that you waste I'm sure you can at least make 30 min - 1 hr of your day to go for a quick run. In regards to the waist measurement, it is NOT fair to many men and women that are just built thicker especially if they are tall. Now when I say thick, I don't mean obese. As a UFPM I see folks that pass everything except their waist measurement and it hurts their careers. I'd like to see a change with that.

SSgt W, Arlington VA

3/16/2011 8:33:36 PM ET
Just like we all go to doctors to get rid of our problems AF need to listen to expert matters only in physical fitness area..feedback from these cry babies is useless.

Civ, Edwards

3/16/2011 3:04:20 PM ET
After reading several posts and having several conversations I have mixed feelings about the PT test and where the AF is headed. What is more profound to me is how people are quick to JUDGE everyone as a whole instead of knowing each individuals circumstances. Yes I understand that these are our standards and they must be followed, but should they be specific to the individual or career fields? As another person mentioned maybe looking into the commander or jobs specific requirements. I think the Air Force wanted to make changes based off of a perception not the overall effectiveness of the Airmen. We have lost a lot of good Airmen because they aren't fit and yes they deployed but did their and mission dedicated the same requirements as the next Airmen.

Kin, MS

3/15/2011 4:59:40 PM ET
Learn JUDO - incorporates aerobic and resistance training every class. No whining, guarenteed PT improvement. General LeMay got it right. Check it out.

doches, Out West

3/15/2011 12:40:12 AM ET
I am in the same boat as Bill from Hawaii down there. 63 230 lbs 7 percent bodyfat with a 36 inch waist 325 bench 505 squat 315 powerclean and can sprint the 100 with a 50 lb tire attached to me in under 12 seconds. I have a difficult time getting that 35. Kinda hard for me to get any thinner and stay healthy. But I still manage to score above a 90 and do it all without bitching. Why can't almost everyone out there do the same? I dont agree with the waist measurement; however, I still manage it. There is a standard out there. Live up to it. If you have a problem with your weight or on a freaking waiver that never ends and doesn't allow you to work out, GET OUT. I for one am very tired of the waiver flight. I had lost the use of my left arm for 4 months due to a neck injury. Within 2 months after the surgery I was back scoring in the 90s with max pushups. Oh, by the way, I am a maintainer who works 10 hr days at the minimum and still finds time to work out.

TSgt H, Cannon AFB

3/10/2011 11:53:44 AM ET
I do not think that the new PT regulations are completely bad. However, I agree with most others above me that the waist measurement should not be part of the overall score. What about those of us that naturally have a larger midsection? It's not that we are fat, it's genetics sometimes. It's frustrating because I have 11 percent body fat according to the trainers at the HAWK not the FAC and so how is it right that I max out everything but fail overall because my waist is naturally bigger?

SSgt, KAFB

3/10/2011 8:56:05 AM ET
I have been reading all of the posts set here and they go two ways; one- people are saying to grow up, you're in the military and pass the pt test, and the other way people are saying that they are tired of the pt test. I agree with the people saying to grow up. IT'S THE MILITARY not the Lazytary - get up and run for an hour. I do have a family, a wife and a 3-mo old baby girl, and I love spending time with them, but I do take time to fit in a little pt every day. However, from reading some of the posts, I agree that a good idea would be to have unit commanders set the goals for each career or, instead of unit commanders setting the goals, have the AF set goals based on career field. Many fields are more physical work then others. I work in maintenance and we are always working and doing something vs. an office based job such as MPF or Finance, which have a nice cozy chair to sit in each day.

A1C, McConnell AFB

3/10/2011 2:17:42 AM ET
Here is my 2 Cents. The test is not perfect as we all know. However with just a little effort I think everyone could pass. The few things that I truly believe that needs to improve are. 1. Waist- I have a 30 but I know plenty of people like Bill from Hawaii that are just thick shaped athletes. 2. PT-System most PTL's are people that just need a bullet on their EPR's. They don't have a functional program and they don't really care for fitness. All they do is make everyone run endless miles when that does nothing but destroy peoples joints. 3. Run Push-Ups Sit-ups How is this being fit-to-fight? 4. Fitness and EPR's should not go together. Solutions the way I see them. 1. Waist measurement should be in the test only so doctors can know who is in the risk area of being a medical problem. Not to count for score. 2. PTL should be an AFSC someone who actually cares about fitness.

Da Kidd, Iraq

3/9/2011 8:53:25 PM ET
The problem with the AF's PT program is that Fit to Fight does NOT equal a passing PT score. 6 months after I had torn achilles tendon repair surgery I was hit with a AEF deployment. My profile exempted me from doing the run portion of my test but I was still cleared to deploy. So, what was the profile for? After my profile expired and I PT tested I scored a passing 86.7. So when was I technically fit to fight...6 months after my surgery or when I scored an 86.7?

SNCO2B, National Capital Region

3/9/2011 2:08:47 PM ET
My fellow Airmen. There might be a lot who will not agree with me. I just want to tell that no matter what the requirements are for the PT test, why don't we just prepare, work hard and do our best to pass or aim for excellence to have a 100 percent that we passed. Let's make it as another challenge for us. As a matter of fact, it will feel nice and we can be proud to ourselves if we passed.

A1C, europe

3/8/2011 11:48:07 PM ET
Fitness regulation changes based on Airmen's feedback - who were these Airmen ? No one asked me for my feedback. We have the hardest fit test of all the military services.

J Green, Utah

2/28/2011 5:13:36 AM ET
Maxed Pushups, Maxed Situps, and ran my 1.5 mile in under 11 minutes. I can bench a full set over 300 pounds and squat over 400 pounds, yet my waist is over the maximum required and I fail. My stomach is in line with my chest, most of the measurment comes from the width of me... Am I not in shape? Who would you rather have dragging you to safety -- me or the guy with the 30 inch waist?

Bill, Hawaii

2/25/2011 3:19:53 AM ET
Why is it so much emphasis on PT being fit to fight...have we forgotten the mission? Just because you have a 29 inch waist can run in 8 min max out p-u and s-u but have not the slightest clue how to do your job, but yet you are praised for making an excellent on your PT test, how are you going to perform your job down range if you don't know it...I will never understand. To me makes no sense.

AV, Overseas

2/23/2011 10:48:04 PM ET
Like it or not the standards will only get tougher or better, depends on your view, but will no doubt make a better force. I retired at 20 because I wasn't going to play the pass/fail profile game; however, I find it hard to believe there are so many NCO and Officers commenting like they are on facebook commenting to a school mate. Not a very professional stance to present on any forum representing the Air Force.

RetiredTSgt OK, Tinker AFB Ok

2/23/2011 6:29:50 PM ET
I like how everyone comment on just do it. I bet those people get 1 hour a day during duty day to do PT unlike myself and the rest of people in maintenance field where we work 10-11 hours and lucky if we get 10-15mins to eat lunch. Yet somewhere in our time off we have to Workout, have a family, have a social life and go to school. Guess what? Not all of that can happen. Also we rotate the weekends so about once a month I have to work the weekend. Anyone who works the flightline will agree with this.

NCO Guy, Yokota

2/23/2011 5:41:07 PM ET
Ok, this is simple...you are in the MILITARY. If you haven't realized it now rules regulations and policies are constanly changing. ADAPTATION is the key word LEARN IT. No one forced me nor bribed me to join. If i remember correctly going through Basic no one ever questioned the T.I and the agenda that was set, so why do it now? The military is not a democracy. If you want that, then get out. Too many people are complaing about PT and not doing a dam thing about it. TRY WORKING OUT. It may help. People are mad because there is no longer a loop hole and a way to manipulate the system. If you can't lift yourself up more than the minimum, then please get out. I don't need you in a deployed location. We are trained to go above and beyond. If you don't want to do it, then stop wasting SPACE and let someone who wants to improve thier life-style take your place. Last time I checked, the Air Force waiting list was almost a 2 year wait. If you want something to improve, question the promotion s

SrA, Iraq

2/23/2011 4:05:06 PM ET
Why did they delete the Excellence Patches?

PT Overachiever, Beale AFB

2/22/2011 10:04:22 PM ET
This really is a messed up fitness system. If senior leadership really wanted us to develop healthy lifestyles and a decent fitness program they would use the Public Health Service's fitness program. Imagine the Air Force actually using a fitness program developed by the experts in the health field and spearheaded by their leader the Surgeon General of the United States. Stop the Fit to Fight which everyone knows isn't true and develop a reasonable fitness program.

Capt, Drinking the Koolaid

2/17/2011 10:03:17 AM ET
Hi. I am the millitary. Are you? Didn't you understand that when you signed up for the millitary PT was a major part of it? Sure the test isn't perfect, so what? quit complaining and just try your best. If you don't like it, leave. No wonder the rest of the services make fun of us USAF people....stop making us look bad.

SSGT, ScottAFB

2/16/2011 9:52:14 AM ET
I belong to the ranks of folks who are unsure why there is STILL complaining about PT Standards. If you don't like it GET OUT. The LAST thing I want to worry about is someone who just aims for the lowest possible score because they refuse to exercise. We don't all have to be athletes or professional body builders to pass the test. Take some initiative get outside of your building, office or home and do something other than complaining. It's not rocket science, and the fact that folks are willing to put the effort in to complain means they are capable of putting forth effort. Quit complaining. The PT Test isn't going anywhere. It's embarassing to myself and a lot of other NCOs or O's out there that other branches have more stringent testing standards yet our meager standards are STILL complained about. Take some pride in your Service and in your health The one sentiment that I agree with is the waist measuremeant, however it has been opened up a bit.

TSgt from the East Coast, East Coast

2/9/2011 7:57:50 PM ET
I still can't believe that we have this many people complaining even though they have probably been taking the test for years now. Get over it folks It is what it is. Instead of trolling the board go to the gym I'm a chubby short dude too but I know that I have to pass this darn thing. You know what's required get out there and do it. Agree on two points though 1. HeightWaist ratio needs to be taken into consideration and 2. let's bring the system back to 5 year increments versus 10 year increments. Telling me someone who is 29 years old 39 years old 49 years old is just as good as somone 9 years the younger is absurd.

Capt S, JBPHH

2/9/2011 12:07:21 PM ET
Ive been in for almost 24 years and this is one of the better ways to accomplish the PT test, but when did a waist measurement alone tell you how fit a person is? When an individual is on a profile and is exempt from all components why is a waist measurement still accomplished. If an Airman has a 28 inch waist line and can pass the PT test when accomplishing the entire test why is it when youre on a profile that 28 inch waist line is no longer good enough to pass the test? This is not right. There is so much on the line when it comes to failing the PT test and to punish someone that has a medical problem is not right. If leadership is using this to as a means to reduce the numbers in the Air Force they need to rethink this. This is what the Med Board is for. I dont know how anyone can sit there and say this is right.

MSgt, US

2/7/2011 11:27:14 AM ET
My problem with the test is as followsIf a person surpasses the minimum in every waist push ups and situps but however only meets the minimum in the run catagory how does that equal a failI think this new PT test should not include minimus if in fact if you achieve minimus or surpass minimum in 3 events but only meet the minimum in one component it results in failing grades. They should reform this by saying in order to pass you must do the following for example Push ups 20 - 10Sit ups 40- 10Waist 31 20Run 1500 35Therefore this will give the member a clear view of what is needed to pass. And if by chance the member scores higher on the componets then great however if they do not meet the requirements of each component that is an automatic fail.

SSgt KB, FL

2/4/2011 9:33:58 AM ET
I recently failed my PT test by one second, yes, one second. I met ALL the minimums to pass but scored a 73. I also have to say that it was my fault - I was not ready and not prepared. I am accepting the responsibility and the Air Force is giving me a second chance to get it right. Maybe we all need to remember that we are all in a military and need to be at least somewhat fit. That being said, our PT test is not perfect and needs some help. Why we made it part of our EPR system might not have been a great idea. Being from Aircraft Maintenance it is hard to juggle home life, work and PT. Our Leadership needs to also understand that we are all different and running a mile and a half, pushups and sit-ups and a waist measurement does not always equal a fit to fight person. Now I am not going to complain and not help fix it. My idea would be to get rid of the test and let Squadron Commanders control PT and have their own standards to meet their unique mission requirements.

TSGT RMW, RAF Mildenhall

2/2/2011 2:02:07 PM ET
As we all know, our job is war and many of us deploy with the Army and Marines in combat environments, not to a nice office. A timed obstacle course and no measurements might be able to determine if you're fit to fight, regardles of weather and in ABUs. Let's get stronger.

TSgt R, Patrick

2/1/2011 4:23:48 AM ET
I don't like the Excellent Satisfactory and Un-Satisfactory categories. I think it should just be pass or fail. I've never scored an excellent and never will. My average score is 85 I run 5K 5-6 days a week and 85 is the best I'm ever going to do. Yet we have people that are two inches around and only have to do 14 pushups and 20 sit-ups and just have to survive the run They never workout and always score excellent. Weird, Huh?

TSgt Duell, Kabul AFG

1/28/2011 1:30:32 PM ET
I believe our new Airmen are fortunate. In my 20 plus years the PT program has been horrendous. I went through 4 different systems that all had different goals. 1. Run the 1.5 mile once a year...50 people lined up and ran. 3-4 with clip boards marked your time as you finished. Took all of 30 min and your section was complete for the year. 2. Ergo...Once a year you hopped on a stationary bike and if you scored over a 36...see ya next year Didn't take much to pass that. 3. Once ergo failed...the next several years were mostly weight related. Meet your minimum weight - see ya next year. Fail - go in for a neck/waist mesurement for BMI. Pass that - good to go. Then on to our current system. Now there are no tricks to pass. You really must be in decent shape all year, not just suck it up that one day and press on. Kind of a shock for alot of us older folks and you either conformed retired or get booted. Pretty simple really.

MSgt J Retired, Idaho

1/27/2011 4:13:32 PM ET
ok here's my deal. I have to walk do see much changing on that. What does the formula proove nothing It comes down to heart rate. I've seen others fail for high heart rate. What about runners I've seen some of them I know with a 190 plus heart rate and what nothing. SOme of us walkers can walk the mile in about 12 mins...sorry but that's moving...but if your heart rate is high...you fail. I think the walkers times should be like the runners times. Or make everyone wear a heart rate monitor. That's probably not going to happen since a ton of runners would probably fail. Just my 2 cents worth

Soon to retire, SAFB

1/26/2011 4:25:55 PM ET
So if you have a 49in. chest and a 39.5in. waist and you fail. But if you can have a 32in. wast and a 29in. chest and pass.

swr, Patrick

1/26/2011 3:26:15 PM ET
Actually I like the civilians doing the test. I do believe though that the scoring is scewed in the waist measurement. Think about it...someone who is 6'3 with a 39 waist looks a lot different than someone who is 5'3. I really thinkthe AF is dropping the ball in this aspect of the program. No doubt the force is getting more fit which is nice to see. But I see a lot of tall people practicing dangerous dehydration techniques to make standards. Say what you want but I have a close friend who is really into weightlifting. At 6'5 he barely passes every year by starving himself and not drinking. And I promise you he is in great shape and FAR from fat. If I were to pick a combat buddy it would definately be him over a 135 lb 32 waist person. Just my thoughts.

MSgt, GFAFB

1/24/2011 4:31:11 PM ET
@Joe, NY NY: I didn't say anyone was whining, and why would they use this as a Defense Spending Cut? They don't have to lie. They kick people out every day for stupid crap with far less pain than this has become. This article had 160 comments as opposed to any DADT article with less than a quarter of that. @CHRISTOPHER AZLIN TINKER AFB: Really @Gonna Retire MSgt, Middle of no-where USA, and KDB Macdill AF... Amen. NAILED. This is the bigger problem that needs to be addressed peer pressure in the upper echelon of the AF. The Brass need to stop playing into this garbage and stick up for the Airmen instead of creating policy to keep other services from making them feel insicure.

TSgt S, Texas

1/13/2011 11:50:29 AM ET
I am so completely disgusted with senior leadership. They are manipulating standards and data to suit a Big AF agenda - which has nothing to do with what's a healthy fitness level to maintain and everything to do with making airman leave the military without paying RIF payments. I can't wait for the economy to improve - you watch how many airmen will bail dropping end-strength to critical lows. Airmen are already bailing for the Army - for the Army PT culture. What I would like to see is a Senior Leader to stand up and wave the flag and get us some relief, so we can focus on our primary missions instead of our PT.

over 20 and still fit, Andrews AFB

1/13/2011 8:02:51 AM ET
I kinda knew that the p-u and s-u was gonna go back to member counting member because I had a 1 hr break between all 4 of the components -measurement p-u s-u run-...3 FAC testers is just not enough to test 24 people at one time. Technically it took 1 min for my measurement 1 min for p-u 1 min for s-u and I completed my run in 10 mins what...that's 13 mins. I showed up to the fitness center at 0730 and finished at 1030. 3 hrs for a 13 min test -22 mins with resting periods-...what gives? When the AFI states that there is a minimum 3 min resting period in between components I don't think a 1 hr resting period was our sr leaders' intent. One other thing is that I was a PTL and my unit conducted the assessment using the member counting member system with the PTL in a supervising role. Isn't this going back 'round full circle with the FAC now being just like a unit PTL? I envision the FACs phasing out with the arrival of new sr AF leadership.

TSgt H, Langley AFB VA

1/13/2011 7:01:22 AM ET
Why does AC factor into a PT test? I understand that an AC over 39 means that the individual's health risk may increase. However, this is a PT test not a health assessment test. Yell at the individual during his/her PHA. In my opinion AC should play no part in a fitness test.

MSgt Germany, Spangdhalem AB

1/12/2011 5:06:21 PM ET
And people wonder why us reservists get made fun of...the comments are here from my fellow ARC members are really awful. Come on--we are moving toward being a seamless force. Catch up folks

LL , Lackland

1/12/2011 3:15:58 PM ET
I think the whole point is being missed. All of this hub-bub began when the Air Force tried to control the body shape of its members. This body-type discrimination had a codename fit-to-fight. In reality it has nothing to do with being fit to fight. If a member can pass the minimum physical fitness standards for push-ups sit-ups and 1.5 mile run they are fit to fight regardless of body-type. If as stated in official reports the concern is with weight related health issues that should be between the member his/her doctor and the member's commander. It's time for commanders to start taking responsibility at all levels and for the AF to get off of this slippery slope. We are too diverse as a people to have a one size fits all AF. Body-type has nothing to do with fitness.

Capt CJ, Ohio

1/12/2011 2:52:15 PM ET
Two changes not covered in this article... Low temp changed from greater than or equal to 32 degrees to greater than or equal to 20 degrees. That is cold Also new reg allows testing to be done on snow covered track. Doesn't seem to smart to me especially when we have an indoor track here. We shall see I will be testing tomorrow morning on a snow covered track at at temp between 20-22 degrees. I expected a score above 90 tomorrow but on slippery track we shall see.

LT H, Wright-Patterson AFB

1/12/2011 10:51:27 AM ET
My question to all Is the test too hard or too easy? The increased number of 'excellents' tells me that the standards were too high and have since been lowered. However the number of failures and complaints regarding the equity of certain measures tells me the test is too hard. In either case I believe some truths must be realized 1-I don't believe there is one simple and cost-effective test that will adequately determine a member's fitness level or true condition of health but this test is a good start 2- Individuals 74 inches or taller may not achieve a 32 inch AC, but anything above 39 inches is a health hazard although getting max points for AC may be more challenging for some attaining the minimum is easily achievable 3-Hiring civilian FACs to administer the test wasn't the AF's attempt to impugn the integrity of PTLs but to ensure that junior members weren't placed in the difficult position of testing a senior member

Capt Bo, TX

1/12/2011 10:27:45 AM ET
It is my word that if ANY of you guys tested here in Mountain Home. Most if not all of your complaints would go away. Since we started the new standars 1 Jan. I've seen you guys destroy eachother by routinely not giving credit where there should have been credit and giving too much credit for sub par performances. And people have been throwing their rank around a little bit more now If we three FAC members here did any assessments there maybe a question on 1 or 2 pushups or sit-ups based on our training. Now our job is to train you guys in about 15 minutes and realistically you guys are now suffereing for it. One guy counts his own push while doing them and say he did 45 the counter..military member.. says he did 31. In my head I could 43 with acceptable form. Who suffers

FAC MTN HM, Mountain Home

1/12/2011 9:38:45 AM ET
We have had a year to get ready for the PT test some have 6 months. This time frame is more than sufficient to get in good enough shape to pass the test PERIOD Notice that the only people that are complaining are the ones that in one way or another have not passed a portion of the test. Another thing that is giving Airmen and the rest of the military for that matter a bad example are the members that seem to not take care of them -selves what so ever and have bellies that overhang. It is a disgrace to the military and without question these individuals need to be removed

SSgt, Scott AFB

1/12/2011 7:40:06 AM ET
I agree with MSgt B in WI. These standards are set for a young active duty airmen.There average age is 23-25 and we all know when we were 23-25 we were in decent shape.They can't expect a Reservist or Gaurdsmen whose average age is over 40 and for most of us that is the case and if I would have stayed on active duty I would have been retired 7 yrs ago.They either need to have seperate standards for reservistsgaurdsmen or just have you do it and no matter what the score is you did your PT for the year and give you a see you next year.If I weren't an Air Reserve Technician I would gladly get out today.

Dan Gothe, Pittsburgh ARS PA

1/12/2011 12:23:18 AM ET
- Why are some of u guys worried about the women's minimum standard and comparing it to ours How bout you only concentrate on yours- If i'm not mistaken physical fitness were always a part of the military. why why why compare this to a force shapingreduction program to save money...whatever makes u sleep better at night i guess- Yes we are all built differently different genes frames blah blah blah...that's why there are infinite amount of tools out there that u can use that ARE shaped to the different types of bodies. Do your research. - For those that say ur waist doesn't tell me how u do in the office...party right answer. excelling in this which u only test once a year in tells me you probably like to meet or surpass expectations in other things in your life...hopefully and just hopefully work is one of them. - Yes I'm a gym rat yes I have a fast metabolism but just like everyone else if I don't take my rear to the gym on a daily basis I would not see

Capt M, afghan

1/11/2011 1:54:44 PM ET
Everyones body is built different. They need to raise the standard for the females. If Im standing next to a guy and he is roughly the same height and I can do more sits ups I can do more pushups I can out run him but because are body builds are different and he has a 37 inch waist and mine is 40 I automatically fail even though I destroyed him in 3 out of 4 events. Come on doesnt make since at. And another thing Im seeing TSgts and belowe being let go. It seems PTLs other Squadrons and these Hawk personnel might be a little afraid to fail MSgts and above.

sean cerillo, RAFB G.A.

1/11/2011 10:58:54 AM ET
Im a brand new airman and my only real complaint for the fitness test is the waist. Under this standard i get full points and im a 34 abdominal circumference. Obviously older individuals eventually grow larger in that area. I think they should use a taping method similar to what the Army uses. I dont feel as if abdominal circumference really interferes with a daily job.

New Airman, Charleston AFB

1/11/2011 10:29:05 AM ET
Not a bad start, and I think the overall system is heading in the right direction, but like with any new program some tweaks are needed. This is coming from a failure. However I am 6'5, 230 lbs in my 30s, workout 6 days a wk, max out situps/pushups and do my run in 11:27. So how did I fail? I have a 40 waist and the program doesn't do body fat anymore either. I think the powers that be need to realize that once the human body starts getting bigger than 6'2 that it will naturally start to change in ways it needs to. I literally got punished for taking care of myself. With that said it has been 40 days since I tested and I already got my waist to a 38.5, but I had to totally change my workout program. Also why such a big difference between the genders? Just throwing it out there.

TSgt B, Midwest CONUS

1/11/2011 9:37:58 AM ET
PT stds are absolutely necessary. If I could change one thing I would allow individuals to go to muscle failure on the push-ups and sit-ups. One minute time limits puts undue pressure on the individual and evaluator the individual to go fast and the tester to ensure proper form and count. Young Amn have to do more than 1sec. Extend it to two minutes or at least 90 secs.

CC, FL

1/11/2011 5:20:59 AM ET
I think the FAC is a great idea since it will prevent people in leadership positions from cheating the system and getting away with it. They should've done this long time ago. I also agree with SrA Val from DM stop whinning.

Capt Edwin Jusino, Afghanistan

1/11/2011 4:02:24 AM ET
@TSgt S Texas - This isn't a tool to make sure the Air Force is fit. It's a tool to reduce Defense Spending. Implementing a program with a projected 1 in 4 failure rate is tied more to the budget than the Air Force fitness level.The Air Force has setup all of it's members for failure.Is that whining No. It's the cold hard truth.

Joe, NY NY

1/10/2011 1:27:10 PM ET
Why are men and women's waist measured at the same spot yet women's ACU and Blue's pants come up much higher? I'm just saying... Also this test is the should be a minimum fitness level for everyone.

Maj. Go Figure..., March ARB CA

1/10/2011 1:19:50 PM ET
I dont understand how Senior AF leaders do not demonstrate the ability to provide an acceptable regulation in an initial publication. There are 4 other services we can compare our standards to. The army has a good standard at least with the measurements- they compute body fat percentage. Humm.....kind of makes sense. A 5'3 airman with a 38 inch waist might not be safe but a 6'8 airman with a 38 waist may be--- Lets work together to get a good regulation and stop all of the changes until a good plan is in place.

Tall SNCO, Peterson AFB CO

1/10/2011 9:07:20 AM ET
Take it for a grain of salt. In today's Air Force you have to adapt. Retired U.S. Navy Special Tactics Civ. at Hurlburt Field Florida.

Gerald Hofman Civilian, Hurlburt Field

1/7/2011 5:22:54 PM ET
Why all the whining? Last time I checked we are the USAF.

SrA Val , DM

1/7/2011 3:20:54 PM ET
1. Why do GIRLS get THREE more minutes to do the same run? 2. How is 20 DEGREES an acceptable temperature? 3. Why don't they reimburse RESERVISTS for their gym memberships if they are required to maintain the same level of fitness? I think they have overlooked the obvious on this program.

HVAA, KWRI

1/7/2011 10:48:54 AM ET
Just an opinion. The military is not a democracy. If you're unhappy, stop milking the system, do your time and get out. Make room for people who believe in personal accountability. Get off your butt, stop whining, do your job and take the darn PT test. If you flunk look in the mirror for the person to blame. Airmen should not be ASKED their opinion they should be TOLD what to do. This more than anything is the root problem. We need a General George S. Patton Jr.

MSgt Sferrazza, Westhampton Beach NY

1/7/2011 9:27:41 AM ET
We should work 4 hour days and PT like crazy so the Marines won't make fun of us any more.

KDB, Macdill AFB

1/7/2011 8:30:17 AM ET
The Air Force doesn't trust us us to conduct a physical fitness test but trust us to go to war. Lets contract out the military to civilians all together. I think that would be an awesome idea. I would make more money as a GS-8 than a SSgt. Why do females get like 16 minutes for the mile and half? Thats a pretty big handicap just because of gender. How about making handicaps for people that need it. I've seen a million times someone does better than me on the run, push ups and situps, but because they have a 36 inch waste they get hit hard on score. This fitness test is terrible, and instead of working on this, fix other things that need it, like, I dont know, the EPR System. It honestly would make more sense to contract those out to civilians and let them be written by a third party to ensure fair ratings.

Darnell Dobson, Minot AFB

1/6/2011 12:19:17 PM ET
Being a part of the military I understand that PT is a part of our lives. We are constantly comparing ourselves to other branches of service and vice versa but there is one issue with that. The Air Force promotes fitness training for squadron but PT in other branches is part of your day. You get up go to PT then go home, shower hopefully, and then report to work. Yes, some or most people get time to do this 3 days a week but it is not the case for all people in the AF. In order for this to work it has to be mandatory. Next, I have to say something about the integrity issue. Leaders may say that it is not an integrity issue but actions speak louder than words. I have no problem with the personnel in the FACs but how do you really justify the need for it? Leaders are always pushing about solving issues at the lowest level but that seems to hardly be the case. Has anyone ever considered treating the PT program as they do the Drug Demand Reduction program? You could pool the name

Common Sense, Hill AFB UT

1/6/2011 10:47:37 AM ET
this is a joke. hey...so im having concerns about how you do your job...let me go ahead and have a civilian watch what you do...oh and ps...we are low on money for the fiscal year and need to kick people out for force shaping. in my asfc i'm not allowed to run...i don't approve...so if i can't do it per afi...why am i being tested on it?

thisoneguy, somewhere

1/6/2011 10:14:45 AM ET
Frustrated SNCO Peterson AFB -- don't use high altitude as an excuse for not maintaining your fitness standards throughout the year. I am a SNCO myself stationed at Peterson and have not had a problem passing my PT test for the past 6 years. It is time that NCOs whether senior or junior start setting standards for Airmen to follow instead of making excuses.

SNCO, Peterson AFB CO

1/5/2011 4:11:49 PM ET
How on earth is 20 degrees an acceptable temperature for running outdoors? That's even 12 degrees lower with the new provision

Freezing to death, Colorado

1/5/2011 12:07:24 PM ET
First of all I would like to say I'm not afraid to where I have to hide my name. The AF PT test is horrible. It is the number 1 reason why I separated the AF which I must say was the best thing I ever did. If the military can't make a simple guideline and stick with it for something like PT, then how can we fight a war?

CHRISTOPHER AZLIN , TINKER AFB

1/5/2011 11:50:22 AM ET
I wasn't asked my feedback on the subject. I fail to see how my waist being 1 inch too big means I can't do my job. I pass all the other requirements easily but because I'm a bigger guy I fail this test. No offense to the smaller people out there but I don't see someone with a 30 inch waist and weighing 150 wearing full body armor with plates in carrying a heavy weapon with 200 rounds making it on a foot patrol for 12 hours in the desert. Sorry to rant but I'd have to loved to been asked my feedback on the current PT standards.

SSgt , TN

1/5/2011 10:39:33 AM ET
Fitness is an important element in a healthy lifestyle. But lets face it THERE ARE NO CONSEQUENCES FOR THOSE THAT FAIL There are people in the AF right this moment that have failed their test NUMEROUS times and got 45 EXTRA days to improve every failure 5 days a week work out and an LOR. Ok maybe a referral report wow. That's all. This is crap. I bet some of us out there will like an extra hour everyday to work out on AF time

SSgt , In the world

1/5/2011 10:29:02 AM ET
This issue is a microcosm of what is wrong with the AF. Our only tradition is change. The AF was too fat, the Army laughed at us let's mandate PT. People are cheating at PT let's change the program. Too many people are scoring excellents, let's change the system. The truth is that those members who want to maintain physical fitness do, those that don't don't. Mandating that the fatties will do PT up to 5 times a week does not fix the problem. The program is still a joke. It comes down to the member and their desire to live a fit life.

Gonna Retire MSgt, Middle of no-where USA

1/5/2011 10:19:23 AM ET
There is no perfect PT test per say But I do think it is ridiculous that you can score the minimum requirements on all aspects of the test and still fail. Not only that I think it is ridiculous that females don't have to do nearly as much as males. Are they females that much more inferior to males? What happened to equal rights? Why aren't you women fighting for your equal rights now? 14 push-ups for a minimum Really

Chad, Ramstein AB GE

1/5/2011 10:13:15 AM ET
MSgt T from Cannon AFB. It seems like you failed your open book PT test and you are bitter. The FAC is not required to pass, we just have to know what the rules are and be able to show you the correct way to do your exercise. The Cannon AFB FAC does demonstrate the proper form. You should set the example for your troops and not worry about the image and weight of the FAC. We do our job well and if you want to discuss this further you know where our office is. Sincerely yours Cannon AFB Overweight FAC.

Mr. Robinson, Cannon AFB

1/5/2011 9:48:35 AM ET
In response to ANG ANG. I am in the Guard and we can be called up at any time. I have been given 24 hours to get ready to deploy to the other side of the world. We do the same missions as the Active Duty have the same training requirements as Active Duty so I think we should be held to the same standards as Active Duty. I am 50 yrs old and plan on meeting the fitness requirements this year as I have for the past 28 years.

Lt Col, MS

1/5/2011 9:29:18 AM ET
This PT test is way to easy if you have the abillity to raise your hand off the ground during the push up event you can shake out stiffness and do more push ups. Why doesn't the Air Force get more in line with the Army or Marine Corps. Way too soft for a war fighter.

Gene, USAFA

1/5/2011 8:51:14 AM ET
Chief Somewhere in the world - First of all I agree that AF members complain too much and that everyone needs to get over it and just do what they need to do if they want to keep their career. However that being said I'm not sure what it is that you do, but where I work 'thinking' is definitely a necessity. To say that we are not supposed to think is ridiculous and with that type of leadership we would be at N. Korean standards right now. I surely hope that is not the impression that you give to the Airmen under you. If this was a force that didn't think we would all be doomed and NOT be the greatest Air Force in the world

SSgt W, TX

1/5/2011 8:04:30 AM ET
The regulation is still built to the 18-21 year old active member under 6 foot tall. Taller people will not have the perfect 32 inch waist and guardsmen like myself pushing 50 or more are given no consideration. And yes, there are many guardsmen in the 50 and older range.

MSgt B, WI

1/5/2011 7:34:08 AM ET
I agree the evolution of PT standards has been good for the AF and overall mission readiness. However the standards are in dire need of revision before we lose an entire generation of highly trained good people. First let me say that there is not a measurement instrument in our society that says Satisfactory is over 70 percent. This is what the baseline of a minimum pass for PT should be. Secondly PT like any other standard should be weighted or rated on the front of an EPR and not simply pass or fail. In other words a Satisfactory or 70 - 80 percent would go in line with a Meets or Satisfactory rating on the front. An 80 - 90 percent PT test result would go in line with an Above Average rating. Finally a 90 - 100 percent PT test result would be in line with Clearly Exceeds or Truely Among the Best. In turn below 70 percent PT score would fall in Does Not Meet and subsequently rated in Needs Improvement or Poor overall depending upon how bad the individual fails.

CMSgt Stadler, RAF Lakenheath

1/5/2011 4:16:46 AM ET
Maybe the AF should try having all minimum components equal a passing score. That would make a lot more sense the current system. If you meet all minimum components you should get a 75 percent. Pretty sure I'm not only with this one.

TSgt from the good old days, Langley VA

1/5/2011 12:34:13 AM ET
We the Air Force should not lower the standards because of our fellow airman not pushing themselves to get in shape to meet the standard and to do the push ups the correct way. I think that there was nothing wrong with the system that was in place. By pairing up to count each others push ups and sit ups allows for people to count incorrect form. If a person is not doing the exercise correctly than he she should learn to do it the correct way and should not whine about it. Get Fit or Get Out

SSgt Valentine, Seymour Johnson AFB

1/4/2011 8:19:55 PM ET
PT is and should be a commander's program. Managed by the commander and executed by the NCOs. Paying civilians is not in the best interest of unit cohesion and esprit de corps and yes that can exist in among Airmen.

G, Wild Blue Yonder

1/4/2011 7:40:50 PM ET
I can't beleive there is still no altitude adjustment. I would love for senior leaders to come to an high altitude area and run. If I took my test at sea level I would have no problem.

Frustrated SNCO, Peterson AFB

1/4/2011 7:09:51 PM ET
How can a guy who is 6'2 50 chest and 41 waist fail but a guy 5'2 36 chest and 39 waist pass They need to include chest measurement for symmetry.

SMSgt passed, Alaska

1/4/2011 7:03:35 PM ET
I agree with some of the folks below. Why do we even have Core Values if civilians testing us are protecting the integrity of the test. Also I work in PRUIPR. People can still deploy if they fail. So i don't buy this 'FIT TO FIGHT' stuff they are throwing at us. If it was really about being fit to fight, a PT failure should make you ineligible to deploy. Slap me if I don't make sense. With that said PT is very important we must stay healthy and in shape people P.S. i got my first 93 in my 3 years in the USAF thanks to the new PT standards. With the old standards I would get an 88-89.

SrA Somebody, Beale AFB CA

1/4/2011 6:26:28 PM ET
The PT test might not be perfect or fair for everyone but what is? I joined the ANG 22 years ago expecting to follow the rules and regulations of the military. The PT test might not be fair to all but this ANG MSgt does not whine about it or make excuses. I push myself to pass it with a clear conscience. When I cannot pass the PT test because of aches or pains, a LEGITIMATE health reason or just get lazy, I will retire knowing I did my best without excuses. Note to the SrNCOs and Officers: LEAD BY EXAMPLE!

ANG 22yrs, MS

1/4/2011 6:17:21 PM ET
A PT test is a PT test. We all have to do it and thats great. I am all about living a healthy life style. Still my issue with the proccess is the waist measurement. We are all built differently. Two scenarios: First, we have a troop in our unit who is 6'7, yes, 6'7. This troop should be deducted points for not having the perfect waist of 32 inches I feel this is just ridiculas. 2nd: another troop ran who has a 36 inch waist -- that's just how he is built -- ran his mile 12 in just under 10 minutes which is excellent. However another troop ran his in just under 11 min but has a 30 inch waist. Both had the same push ups and sit ups but the troop with the larger waist was given a lower score than the other, again ridiculas. Until we figure out a better way to to the waist or just get rid of it all together we will continue to have frustrated troops like me who see the PT test not as way to live a healthy life style but as the AF way of only worrying about the appearence to other branches

SSgt, LA

1/4/2011 5:56:28 PM ET
@Chief Somewhere in the world. Hard to believe you are a Chief. I hope not one of mine. There are people that will always complain just to complain and there is little we can do about that. A large percentage of the comments are valid and provide useful feedback. The PT program is a tool for AF to ensure its force is fit to fight and the PFAT is a tool to measure and identify successes and failures in the PT program. When a tool is broken it needs to be fixed. This forum provides the instant feedback to the products owners so they can adjust and make the product better. Without this kind of feedback things would never get better, including our Airmen.

TSgt S, Texas

1/4/2011 5:40:05 PM ET
I don't like how you can get an overall passing score but you can still fail because you didn't meet the minimum in ONE category. I've recently passed my PT test but I hear a lot of people saying they got a score in the 80s but still failed because they couldn't run fast enough or fell 2-5 situps or pushups short of the minimum. I say if you overall score is over 75 what's the problem?

SrA Palmer, Dover

1/4/2011 5:35:40 PM ET
Much improved. The instruction was too strict. FAC personnel were becoming inconsistent. Questionable or debatable push ups and sit ups should ALWAYS count for the Airman. Don't misinterpret that... wrong is still wrong. Nothing would be worse than failing an Airmen who should have passed.

Swensonator, Texas

1/4/2011 5:16:06 PM ET
This test has nothing to do with promoting healthy lifestyles. Until airmen that smoke and drink alcoholic beverages start losing points like individuals that have an AB circumference of 35 or greater then I will change my thoughts on this test. Until then this dog and pony show is nothing but a farce.

TSgt, Lackland

1/4/2011 5:08:51 PM ET
I think the new testing standards are a big improvement, but I do not understand the '10 year' age groups. The 5 year age groups make more sense when you have a 49 year old Airman having to do the same as a 40 year old is really to broad a brush.

Air Guard Airman, Portland

1/4/2011 5:06:03 PM ET
Being able to run a mile and a half should not be the determining factor in my career. In a deployed setting when will you have to run that far or that fast. Never U run just enough to get out of harm's way. How does doing 52 sit ups in a minute determine how healthy a person is or is not? Granted there should be a standard. In no way am i saying there should be overweight people in the military, but for a PT test to carry so much weight on a person's career is ridiculous. I practically maxed out both my sit ups and pushups as well as got max points for my waist but because I failed my run minimum by ONE second...No this is not a exaggeration..ONE second and my career was in jeopardy..Have a PT test have standards have a goal for us to reach.. Just get rid of the minimums.

D, On tha Moon

1/4/2011 4:36:40 PM ET
Everyone had a lot of good comments But the one I agree most with is that the minimum scores should total 75. How are the minimum scores determined? It makes no sense the minimum isn't really the minimum. I struggle with pushups even though I lift wieghts and not passing because I didn't meet the minimum but still scored an over all say 85 doesn't seem fair.

SrA M, LRAFB

1/4/2011 3:58:29 PM ET
ToANG ANG who said So how does everyone feel about having a traditional guardsman passing the same test an active duty member takes These people work 2 days a month and 14 days in the summer. Just want to know everyone's thoughts. I would say they should meet the same requirements. You are all expected to do the same task as us and could be called up when ever if i understand that right. also with active duty required to PT on our own time not always during work anymore it seems fair across the board.my 2 pennies.

MSgt, GA

1/4/2011 3:55:11 PM ET
To A1C W Buckley AFB who said My only issue is with the test is the pushup minimum - 33 and the situp minimum -42 compared to the maximum. Pushups require a 67 to max while situps require a 58. I don't see why that is if the minimums say that you need more situps than pushups to pass. I'm just a little lost in the numbers. Note - I passed my test so the amount isnt an issue. Just confused on why they are what they are.For pushups and sit-ups the minimum requirements were established at the 50th and 60th percentiles respectively for performance among the entire U.S. population based on widely accepted fitness data.

MSgt, GA

1/4/2011 3:42:08 PM ET
I like the changes to the PT test. I think that it could be improved but I find it to be a decent system. The test is designed to see if you are keeping yourself in shape throughout the year. It is not designed as a test of combat capability. The goal is to keep you healthy so that the Air Force can reduce its medical cost in the long run. It is a standard that should affect your EPR if you are not doing it. To reward anyone for a standard is counter to the way the military works. The PT test is something I struggled with until I decided to make a real commitment. So on my very last test before retirement I scored a 94 which was a 13 point jump for me. If I can do it at 42 then anyone can.As leaders you should support the decision makers above you and move on. After 24 years in I see a huge improvement in fitness of my troops over when we rode a bike. Remember if you don't like anything about the military you can always leave.

MSgt Rouse, FL

1/4/2011 3:18:05 PM ET
1st problem: men and women are requred to the same job. Shouldn't the standards be the same An aircraft part doesn't lose 20 lbs because a female picks it up.... 2nd problem: waist line vs height. They have improved the standards but not fixed them. 3rd: Not everyone is a marathon runner. 4th: How much money are we wasting having the FAC?

MSgt , DC

1/4/2011 3:03:44 PM ET
The PT idea is great. But the PTL's lack the knowledge to effectively lead a program that ensures fitness improvement. I see many people that do the 5 days a week 45 to 60 mins of sq pt and it gives them average or inadequate success. It's a joke to do a set of 20 pushups. It is a show where it is more important to have your jumping jacks timed and counted out loud than fitness improvement. PTL's are not trained in PT they are trained in the AFI. They need to learn about Proprioception Primary Secondary Stabilizer Muscles Kinetic Chain Checkpoints Synergistic and Antagonistic muscles Glucosis Lipolysis the krebs cycle fascia tendons vs muscle strength and elasticity pt education not AFI. PTL's too often just try to repeat what they did in high school sports but our general population doesn't need that. They cold strech and go straight into ballistic sprints in wet grass. Sq pt is a nightmare for potential injury.

Herd, Tinker AFB

1/4/2011 3:01:43 PM ET
Physical fitness is good for the body mind and soul. It becomes bad when you use the PFT as a force management tool to kick out people who cannot pass the test that changes every year. Then you have the people who have legit medical issues that cannot pass the test, but while they wait for a MEB they get run into the ground treated badly and scorned because they cannot pass the test. The focus on PT by all levels in the AF will fail because having a passing PT test does not make you a better worker. The AF's PFT - Epic Fail.

Captwizzbang, PACAF

1/4/2011 2:56:11 PM ET
I am going to smack the hornet's nest here....until airmen who smoke and drink alcoholic beverages are docked points on the PT test like individuals with an ab circumference over 35 I don't want to hear anyone in Air Force leadership say that this test is about developing healthy lifestyles. As a former smoker I was actually healthier in the eyes of the Air Force than I am now due to the stupid AB Circumference. Can CMSAF Roy look at the troops and say with a straight face that a smoker is healthier than someone carrying a few extra pounds? I don't think he can. The whole test is just one big farce.

TSgt Clinton, Lackland

1/4/2011 1:31:30 PM ET
I am still waiting for the day when getting 100 on your fitness test gets the same promotion Kudos as being the Top 3 secretary.

John G, Langley

1/4/2011 1:27:38 PM ET
I agree with MSgt GA. If someone completes the minimum in all categories, he or she should at least acheive a score of 75. Otherwise the minimum isn't the minimum.

SSgt, BAFB

1/4/2011 1:25:02 PM ET
So how does everyone feel about having a traditional guardsman passing the same test an active duty member takes? These people work 2 days a month and 14 days in the summer. Just want to know everyone's thoughts.

ANG, ANG

1/4/2011 1:08:53 PM ET
Some SrA Reality. I couldn't help myself but respond to your posting. This is in no way an attack on you, merely a brief education. Staying physically fit has absolutely nothing to do with outrunning a bullet. It helps strengthen your immune system to fight off diseases and viruses. Being physically fit can mean the difference between running a long distance for cover from enemy fire or being shot and it can mean the difference between surviving a gunshot wound or dying from one..or maybe carrying your best friend to safety. Terrorism IS NOT an idea. It's a FACT and it does exist. Surely you are old enough to remember. WW2 and Korea both had PT tests up to but not limited to 4 times a year, and believe me it was a lot harder than it is now. Vietnam was lowered to 3 times a year and eventually 2 and 1 depending on medical and age backgrounds. And lastly..War is exactly what we call it, not whatever we call. I'm sure you mean well...

SgtR, CMAFS

1/4/2011 12:53:55 PM ET
Mayo a marathon is 26.2 miles not 1.5. Running a marathon is alot different than running a PT test. Here's a suggestion do away with the walking test. If you're hurt and can't do pushups/situps you're exempt why not do the same for the cardio component? We've got a number of people in our unit that happen to be put back on a profile just in time for their PT Test. Maybe it's because they can score more points walking than running If they've got issues preventing them from running we should just let them be exempt from the cardio component and let them retest 42 days after their profile expires.

TSgt D, Texas

1/4/2011 12:11:10 PM ET
My only issue is with the test is the pushup minimum - 33, and the situp minimum -42, compared to the maximum. Pushups require a 67 to max while situps require a 58. I don't see why that is if the minimums say that you need more situps than pushups to pass. I'm just a little lost in the numbers. Note - I passed my test so the amount isnt an issue. Just confused on why they are what they are.

A1C W, Buckley AFB

1/4/2011 11:56:44 AM ET
I think some Air Force folks are just little whiny wimps. You are all in the military so understand that you aren't paid to think. You are paid to do what you are told. You get your brain back when you get out of the military. Stop thinking and complaining about stuff so much, just do what you are told or just simply get out. This world is full of complaining people and it doesn't help any situation. It only adds to the stress and misery. Look at it on the bright side at least you get paid everyday whether you work or not. At least you get paid to work out. Look at those who don't have jobs at all. Homeless shelters are full of people who lost jobs in this economy, maybe you need to be there in order for you all to finally appreciate your life and the military. Stop crying and just do what you are told. If not don't let the door knob hit you. Peace and Blessings to you all Chief

Chief, Somewhere in the world

1/4/2011 11:48:09 AM ET
Forget the waist measurement. They need to use the old Academy PFT standards: 7 drop 7 hop 60 40 2 and stop. That's 7 pullups, 7-foot standing longjump, 60 situps, 40 pushups, and a 600m dash in 2 minutes.

Capt S, Missouri

1/4/2011 11:47:53 AM ET
I think the new changes are good. It eliminates the anomoly. What i mean is the person who has a composite score of a 90 and still fails since they failed to meet a minimum. This PT program and its harsh reality have been coming for many years now. It's not new folks. This program is not going away it might get better, it might not. But what most people are experiencing is the initial shock of how career impacting it really is. This test isnt hard...its just that most people aren't willing to make the life style change that it takes to meet the minimum requirements. They would rather sit at home and eat fast food and play video games. I mean why would you want to be fit, it's only you future at stake.

JW, Dyess

1/4/2011 11:46:36 AM ET
Pushups and sit-up are not a real test of strength. It is an insult to the folks who go to the gym and lift every day. The Air Force needs to add pull-ups to the fit test. That would be a real measure of strength.

TSgt , Luke

1/4/2011 10:58:03 AM ET
First off how many people did they send this survey to because I don't remember seeing one at my base? Also I'm testing at 4300 ft above sea level. You can't tell me there's no difference between testing at sea level and testing at 4300 ft above sea level. It's (bull) that I can run a 12:50 mile and a half, have a 32 inch waist and max out my situps and have an overall passing score yet I fail the test because I did 26 pushups instead of the minimum of 27. The minimum component score should NOT matter if I get an overall passing score. Idiots.

D M, New Mexico

1/4/2011 10:49:23 AM ET
Some one wrote earlier that the Fitness Program isn't fair... Well this isn't the Fair Force. Do I agree that the AF needed to stand up a civilian FAC because we couldn't monitor ourselves with integrity NO... I would have rather had those positions on the flight line turning wrenches in the DFAC serving lunch or in Finance taking care of my pay... However the increase in failures does not lie some fitness monitors had integrity issues which forced our Senior Leadership to take action. Was it the action we wanted NO but we did nothing to stop it before it became a problem. Finally who cares that there is a minimum standard now Adapt and Overcome. I suppose those of you who are crying about the minimum standard think that achieving maintaining the minimum standard should be awarded a 5 on their EPR as well

Old School SNCO, Holloman AFB

1/4/2011 10:37:08 AM ET
Well first of the term fight to fight is very vague. Why is PT more important than shooting a weapon? I will never be able to run faster than a bullet and no one working out 45 minutes a day will. I do not believe other branches spend their time on the Air Force web site reading these comments. We are at war or whatever you want to call it. Nobody in America is Fit because there is a lack of quality food due to the global monopolization companies have on the food industry. We eat meat which is steroid injected and genetically altered fruits and veggies. You know what the really amazing part about all this is, nobody cares. We are at war with an idea. Terrorism, yes, terrorism is an idea defending our homeland against threats that do not exist. This is just a big shiny toy that has been put in front of us so we do not pay attention to the reality of things. Were there PT tests in WW2? No. Were there PT tests in Korea Vietnam Panama? Uh, no.

Some SrA, Reality

1/4/2011 10:27:24 AM ET
I for the most part think this is an improvement. Folks taking the test here where often failing due to interpretation of the AFI by the FAC. This gives clarity. I will say that the folks here have been improving even prior to this. My thought is on the PT points system for males and females. I have no problem with Males needing to do more push-ups sit-ups or needing to run faster to pass. My problem is the scale. A male and female both under 30. If both max their waists but only get the minimums in the other components the female passes with a 75.1 while the male fails with a 73.3. Anyone think this makes sense? I would think the Qty would be adjusted and the scores would be the same. They would both pass or fail based on the scale.

MSgt, GA

1/4/2011 10:23:18 AM ET
I don't care if the civilian testing me can do a single push up. I just care that they have good eyesight and a solid understanding of the requirements. And those requirements shouldn't vary in any way from base to base. 1. Make a standardized FAC training program. 2. Show test takers a short AF-standard video demonstrating correct and incorrect repetitions at the beginning of every PFT. Offer the video on Youtube so we can watch it at our leisure and practice accordingly. 3. Remove the ridiculous requirement that FAC civilians be able to demonstrate proper form.

TSgt P, EAFB

1/4/2011 9:28:37 AM ET
Although I like the adjustments to any testing criteria, I am concerned why some of them really need to be implemented. For example, why does it matter if you conduct the push-up and sit-ups after the 1.0 mile walk? You don't do it for the run. Why not keep it the same for both? Also, remove the HR for the walk. We didn't use it when we did the 3 mile walk. Why now?

WD, Europe

1/4/2011 9:12:55 AM ET
First of all everybody has a point that makes sense. But we all have to realize that it is in other people's hands to change it. From a money aspect the should all services have the pt standard and time limits. This would save millions people would gripe in upper command staff. Because they would lose pet projects but it is necessary. Once it's done let the standards stay for a good six years. We're here to fight wars and save countries. Not to be marathon runners or look like a Calvin Klien model in uniform. Im just saying

Mayo, Valley of the Sun

1/4/2011 9:09:58 AM ET
So I sit here and read the comments about the PT test and can't help but wonder numerous questions. 1. When did a survey come out and who did they send it to? 2. This is the AF and everyone needs to embrace the change and adapt. I don't recall a time in my 16 yrs when the AF conformed to my needs I had to adapt to its needs. 3. Yes I agree that the waist measurement is a little out of whack, but then again I have made the changes to adjust. 4. If you want a passing score and you truly care about your career you would bust your rump and do what it takes to make the Current Grade. 5. Stop whining that it isn't fair and recommend changes, walking and talking with your cell phone made it into the AFI's. Loving life here at Minot.

Why Not Minot, Minot AFB ND

1/4/2011 8:50:40 AM ET
I lost a 5 EPR due to failure of the PT test. Due to health issues I have not been able to exercise at all. Yes I am awaiting an MEB. The EPR has a box for exempt, yet no matter what, everyone is eligible to due the waist measurement. You can never be Exempt so why even put it in the EPR. Also my main beef is with the waist measurement. Men get measured where they carry their fat in the abdominal area. Why do females not get measured where they carry their weight i.e. their hips. Where is the Equality that everyone wants? Why do females have different runtimes? Different numbers of pushups etc? We can only be equal when everyone lives by the same standard not by what benefits them above others.

RMoore, OKC

1/4/2011 8:28:20 AM ET
The Air Force should add pull-ups to the Fitness Test. The benefits to body fitness that pull-ups adds cannot be replicated witha ny other exercise in such a simple and convenient fashion. Increased lat size gives a person that V shape that the Air Force is seeming to want. Also the core strengthening that comes with pull-ups assists with all the other portions of the fitness test. The only way to get good at pull-ups though is to do them..lots of them. I'm 44 yrs with a goal of 20 pull-ups. I'm currently at 16.

USAF Retired DAF Civilian, Lackland AFB

1/4/2011 8:18:34 AM ET
The new standards are a little weird I see folks scoring in the 90's yet fail because they did 38 vs 39 sit-ups. Let's do this either use points for passfail or make the test passfail and get rid of points. Second point is hard to concentrate when the monitor keeps saying down more it breaks rhythm and when you do get the perfect 90 degree bend I was on the floor, but wait now my test is stopped because I am on floor too long. Really.

SSgt, NV

1/4/2011 7:57:00 AM ET
I like the idea of fitness scores being counted towards promotion. It would motivate people to try to excell rather than just scrape by. The better your score the better chances you have of getting more money.The standard isn't that high I slacked for over a year because I was so busy with taking classes at night and homework and still scored 100.

SSgt T, Far Away

1/4/2011 7:29:28 AM ET
When you retire from the Air Force you will say one of two things. I am glad I participated in the Air Force Fitness Program or I should of participated in the Air Force Fitness program. These are minimum standards you owe it to yourself to take care of you. As for me I pushed and got back into running. It was hard to achieve my goal but once I got there it is easy to maintain. I want to live long after I retire, hopefully, I can do so without medication. The Air Force fitness program will help me accomplish that goal. The next time you get a physical have your cholesteral checked and if it is high take up exercising. I can tell you how exhilirating it is when you return a year later and see your cholesteral levels drop. The Air Force fitness program is for your benefit.

Clermont Boutin, Pease ANGB NH

1/4/2011 6:56:08 AM ET
So since when did should leadership take feedback into account at all when making policy decisions? It certainly has never been that way before.

SSgt Ryan, Data Masked

1/4/2011 6:38:54 AM ET
I believe the waistline portion is pointless. Although I have a 33 inch waist and score mid 90's on the test. If I was a big stout fella 6'5 having a slim waist is next to impossible for my size unless I was a bean pole.

TSgt K, England

1/4/2011 6:23:33 AM ET
My concern isn't so much with the test and how it's performed, but by whom. I thought integrity first was a Core Value something that we all try and live by in our everyday lives as well as our professional ones. Seems to me that Air Force leaders have pushed the limit with this one. How can you expect us to uphold the Core Values when you take them away and only make them applicable to your rules and when you see fit? If you can't trust the individuals to do the test, how long is it going to be before you need to hire contractors to fight a war?

Just a NCO, Overseas

1/4/2011 3:54:05 AM ET
Why is it that you can perform the minimum amount of exercises per component and still fail the overall test? The minimum wouldn't be called the minimum if it wasn't acceptable.Perhaps the USAF needs to consult a dictionary...

SSgt C, Ramstein

1/4/2011 3:51:36 AM ET
@ MSgt W. I'm sorry but if you're going to say that the other services laugh at us they're probably laughing at how idiotic this PT test is. 60 seconds is not enough time to adequately perform any exercise which is why those other services you say are laughing at us get 120 seconds. There is nothing wrong with the exercise components, give us more time to achieve the same results. 50 push-ups in 60 seconds is no better than 50 push-ups in 120. Anyone who thinks otherwise is clueless.

SSgt C, Ramstein

1/4/2011 3:37:26 AM ET
The Air Force has the easiest PT test, too easy in my opinion. It doesn't challenge members to stay fit, just complain about the standards. Everyone for the love of God just eat a decent diet and do a test 3 or 4 times per week every week and you will pass with flying colors. You can do the sit-ups and push-ups in your office or the flightline. Run your mile and a half as fast as you can and then go home and complain. When will the Air Force become a branch of the military?

Danny, RAFL

1/3/2011 8:51:06 PM ET
1 on the big difference between men and women minimums. That still needs attention. If this truly is an equal oppertunity military then the standards should be somewhat similar for pushups/situps/run.The waist measurement for men is still ridiculous. When I was 214 lbs and 9 percent body fat I had a 38 inch waist. I know plenty of other VERY physically active individuals that are in the same scenario and score much better on the run/pushups/situps than the scrawny airmen coming into the USAF today. The goal of the test should be fit to fight or look good in uniform. You can't have both. If the goal is truly fit to fight then the waist measurement should be thrown out.

SSgt JC, Macdill AFB

1/3/2011 8:38:10 PM ET
I understand all these changes, but at the same time find them ridiculous. Yes let's be fit and healthy first off. We signed that contract to defend our country and we can't do that unless we are, but who's to say that this fitness test is a true and accurate way to determine if everyone is actually healthy and fit? Yes the cut offs have helped to eliminate those less fit but in reality doesn't truly gauge a person's overall health and fitness. On top of that, we are worried about money spending as a whole, Why go and spend more tax payers money on hiring civilians to conduct the tests? How about this, let's spend that money and hire personal trainers to give everyone a chance to get one-on-one training to ensure they are truly working out properly and getting the most out of their fitness. PTL's are not legit fitness trainers so let's not have them barking at others during PT that they are not doing push ups right or what have ya...Just some thoughts

SSgt , Osan

1/3/2011 7:24:03 PM ET
Its pathetic. Are we the world's greateast air force? Are you kidding me? Get over it, do what you need to do and be happy that you don't live in a 3rd world country

Alex, Eielson AFb

1/3/2011 5:59:22 PM ET
I agree with the comments about the whining. When I last left the AF the test was on a bike. It was a joke. I do, however, wish for a little common sense. I work with a gentleman who is 6'9. On a man that tall I don't think a 39 waist should be ruled unhealthy without careful consideration of his overall fat content. Doesn't seem quite right. If the AF will allow him in at that height then his body type ought to be considered.

RG, Wyoming

1/3/2011 5:48:53 PM ET
This is a response to MSgt T. from Cannon AFB. First I am sure you must have FAILED your test that is why you are upset because you could not pass the Open book test the Air Force has set. The FAC is here to administer the test and required to be able to demonstrate proper form. It is required for the (participant) to pass the test and not the FAC, Your job depends on it, not mine. So don't be mad because you was corrected on your incorrect form. And the Air Force is going to save money and kick you out because you can't pass your test and you can not set a good example to your other troops. You know where my office is if you like to discuss this further.Thank you From over weight Cannon AFB FAC.

Mr. Robinson, Cannon AFB

1/3/2011 8:47:40 AM ET
I enjoy reading these posts. I struggle with a bum foot and can pass the test. This is the military not wal-mart...make it work. It is embarrassing to read these whiny posts and remember how the other branches of service look at us. It's (not good), it can be subjective, but press on. If you struggle in an area work on it. If your waist is too big, quit eating for two people.

MSgt W., Charleston SC

1/3/2011 8:07:18 AM ET
I think that finally the fitness program is respectable and achievable. The only problem I have with it is the waist measurement. My two cents keep the measurement, but not the minimum requirement failure. Just drop points to zero after 39 inches. Waist size may have health benefits but have little to do with fitness. It seems if a person can max the run push-ups and sit-ups but has a waist size over 39 they fail, and kill an otherwise successful career Doesn't make sense to me and I hope will be reconsidered in the near future. FYI..I am at 34 inches in my waist so I'm not saying this to help me out personally...Also if anyone knows where to go to make official suggestions let me know. Thanks

MSgt Michael Maxey, Joint Base Langley-Eustis

12/31/2010 10:00:58 AM ET
This is for NCOs and Officers. If you have one airman that fails a fit test why are you not out there with them helping them succeed? Try setting the example and test with your airmen. Now you'll have a vested interest in the success of others. You'll be in great shape. Shame on me for suggesting that you conduct yourselves like leaders but I thought that's what the stripes are all about. Leaders spend their time thinking about the success of others followers spend their thinking about their own needs. Which one are you?

Old Warrior, NC

12/31/2010 2:14:12 AM ET
1st.For everyone here that keeps complaining about one thing over the next you should judge yourself and the way you live. I constantly see people in and out here deployed and 85 percent of them choose fried fatty foods and soda over salads fish sandwiches juice and milk and FRUIT 2nd.The term Fit to Fight is over. The focus is fit to LIVE. 3rd.The AFI says 3 PT sessions a week MINUMUM. 4-5 days a week of PT RECOMMENDED. Where are YOU? 4th. A 39inch waist is achievable by all. There is people out there with a 46BMI and can maintain a 34-36inch waist.

SSgt Knighthawk, Everywhere.

12/30/2010 12:09:25 PM ET
The biggest problem that I have is having an overweight civilian FAC tell me I am doing the test incorrectly. That civilian could not pass the test and is a poor example to the others. The AF needs to reduce the number of civilians save money and have FAC's that are an example to others. I think the new test is better but still needs improvement especially in the waistline requirements. They are out of sync with reality.

MSgt T, Cannon AFB

12/30/2010 7:15:40 AM ET
IRT A1C Nerd USA- I know where you are coming from being in a computer-based technical career field myself but the fact that the military conducts pt tests is not a secret and it is certainly not a surprise. Your job description regardless of how smart you claim to be includes meeting physical standards AT ALL TIMES. Just because you meet the mental standard does not mean you are the best fit for the military. Sad but true. So my advice would be to stop griping about the fact that the military can send you on your merry way and make sure to meet the standard however faulty it is.

Just an airman, Overseas

12/29/2010 2:47:02 PM ET
I have no problem with the new AF Fitness Standards. My problem is the fact that our AF Senior Leaders think we have no integrity. To fix it, taxpayers have to dish out millions of dollars to hire a civilian FAC..maybe the FAC should be the ones to go to WAR since they have all the integrity. Trust us General Schwartz and Chief Roy.

SMSgt B, Lackland

12/29/2010 9:19:54 AM ET
My question is regarding the sit up. Looks like nothing has changed but the sit ups for me remains to be the toughtest part of the PT. I have been told that I'm not going down far enough or my shoulder blades aren't touching. This has been a problem even under the old rules. Anyone else has this problem?

MSgt J, Andrews

12/29/2010 1:34:18 AM ET
So is it really a fitness standard? It's simple, fitness should be based on human healthy fitness lifestyle not a specific military branch of service fitness test. One test One team. If you are in a more physical career field then add additional tests for career field qaulifications. If leadership wants to sell healthy fitness make it based on actual-no-kinding heathy lifestyle. I am not a top athlete or a NASA astronaut. There should be one DOD set fitness test. Which branch's test actually gauges healthy fitness? Plus make every rep a whole number besides a decimal....really. Additionally change 1 minute to 2 minutes so I can concentrate more on my anal retentive form. AB measurement should be go/no go...simple. I lose 2.4 points for a half of an inch on my waist 35-35.5 makes no sense. I did pass my last PT test with a 90.9. Being in the Marines, PT was hard but fair. Also it counted toward promotion scores. Making the PT test score part of promotion makes people motivated.

Airman, At the gym...it's FREE

12/28/2010 5:33:19 PM ET
There sure are alot of negitive comments about our PT test. I've tested 26 times now and just scored my first excellent. People need to wake up. Know the numbers you need to pass and practice until you meet or exceed them. No different than any other test. YOU GOTTA PUT SOME EFFORT INTO IT TO GET GOOD RESULTS Ahhha Haaaaa

Old Man , USA

12/28/2010 11:52:30 AM ET
I haven't had less than a 36 waist since I was 14. I fail to see what this component has to do with overall fitness it seems to be a discriminator against body type rather than actual unfitness. In my 30s I have maxed my sit-ups and push-ups run faster than all but 5 in my squadron and yet due to waist measurement I have yet to score over 87. I beat a max-scorer on the 1.5 mi by 3 minutes. This is nonsense. Scored an 89 on Army PFT which apparently quals me for special forces training.

Prior E Lt, Nevada

12/28/2010 10:33:46 AM ET
Anyone else find it odd that 3 weeks ago news had Gen Schwartz saying no more cutting Airmen. Two weeks ago AFPC said Force Shaping will continue. One week ago...new fitness standards...

James, GA

12/27/2010 8:09:57 PM ET
So the integrity issue of the PT test is no longer an issue It seems apparent that with the CSAF declaring that they expected a 25 percent fail rate from the new PT Test that the new Test minimums were designed to stratify the enlisted structure. The CMSAF made it clear that the EPR will not be changed. So now comes along a way to stratify the enlisted structure. 75 percent make the cut and 25 percent fail to meet it. It is already on the EPR and leads to an automatic referal. Problem solved as far as Air Force Leadership is concerned. Don't be mislead with stories about ensuring PT Test integrity or as a result of Airmen Feedback.

SSgt Johns, CONUS

12/27/2010 1:09:20 PM ET
So still no altitude adjustment It's funny how the previous test had it. I've been stationed at a base that is above 5280 feet twice and seen the difference that running at sea level and running up here can make. The whole theory on people being aclimated after 42 days is garbage. You never get back to the same run time unless you are some sort of athletic specimen. I'll just have to hang on until I PCS back to sea level. Good job on pretending to change it. I'll remember that when I lift my hands up for a microsecond while doing my pushups.

Matt, Mile High City

12/27/2010 10:32:03 AM ET
Here I am in Afghan watching all AF folks spend more time eating and at the gym than at work.All the while the Army sends all of the old broken down guard and reserves to the same base.So far in my 9 months over here I have not seen where fitness level has any effect at all on mission accomplishment.Everyone is getting the job done.Quit trying to use a cookie cutter shape and make everyone fit in it.

Retired MSgt, Deployed to Afghanistan

12/27/2010 6:11:49 AM ET
The title based on Airmans feedback is misleading. I didn't answer any survey about PT requirements and apparently many others did not either. But in any case one important area of concern still left out is the fact that you can still fail even if you pass all components and I see the same concern among others leaving comments. One other concern that I have not seen as of yet is why is it that the abdominal circumference is taken and not the actual waist size? I don't have six pack abs but then again I don't wear an outrageous size in waist either. Doing a few sit ups pushups and running does not prove anyone's level of fitness. We should be training as we fight and fighting as we train because were not going to deter any enemies by doing pushups and sit ups. The other services have long adopted that training style and quite frankly were just wasting taxpayer dollars on changing standards looking for new slogans and looking for and changing uniforms.

RB, Florida

12/27/2010 1:49:36 AM ET
I can't believe how people don't see that the new PT test inflated scores. Under the old test most were borderline failing. Under the new test people are passing with flying colors My score went up 10 points just from the change. Andrew USAFE has an excellent point about Arnold. Can people honestly say having a waist greater than 39in is healthy? At my worst I had a 42in waist with 71in height fat. When I was lifting my waist averaged 36in with 48in chest. Now I have a 34 waist due to EXERCISING at Sq PT not playing volleyball or racquetball. I always LOL when I see fitness articles where people just whine about how the fitness test doesn't accomodate them.

SSgt QQ, Iraq

12/27/2010 1:35:08 AM ET
I find it disturbing that so many people in the Air Force are such huge cry babies. The Air Force goes completely out of its way to make all you so-called techincal experts feel good about yourselves with all the politically correct AFN commercials about being warriors and you can't even pass a PT test. As far as comments about the Army Air Corps you no idea what you are talking about the Army doesn't try and accomodate people for not doing there job. If you were in anything that resembled the Army you would really have something to cry about. If you can't take an hour a day to maintain an acceptable level of fitness find a new job and let us Army Air Corps Airmen continue to take the fight to the enemy and we will just contract out your techincal jobs.

Michael, Vilseck Germany.

12/26/2010 9:27:52 PM ET
From what i've learned about being in the AF...if it ain't broke fix it til it is.

anon, iRAQ

12/26/2010 5:37:25 PM ET
The Air Force PT program remains a really bad joke. Can the USAF just leave it alone already please? But since we are making changes...why can't we do the right thing and remove all the adverse administrative actions that failing members have received over the past year or so? Oh no...we wouldn't want to do that...we need to save money by cutting Airmen. Hey USAF do us all a favor and stop changing the rules to your silly little PT game. I heard a rumor that in 2012 all Airman who score a 89.90 or below will be mandated to take 3 yoga classes a week.So all that being said when will the July 1st 2011 changes be available for viewing?

MB, Germany

12/26/2010 4:29:08 PM ET
Still no altitude adjustment. Most have no idea how hard it is on the body to PCS here to Colorado Springs and have to take a PT Test after the 42 day acclimation period. From what I've read it takes up to 6 months for a body to acclimate. I've been here for 3 years and have a problem every time I return from deployment because I have to test after 42 days. Baghdad 112 ft Peterson AFB 6185 ft. 42 days to readjust, Does that sound reasonable? It hurts. It also means that we have to be in better shape to perform at this altitude. If I tested at sea level I'd get the best run time of my life. There's a reason why the Olympic Training Center is here.

TSgt N, Peterson AFB

12/26/2010 12:59:19 PM ET
My big question is where did they get this feedback from airman that they are talking about? I took the AF Survey and there wasn't a category for the PT program. I am just curious as to where the feedback came from. I also think that the issue of 4 fails in a 2 year period needs to be addressed. Especially for those who are on some kind of waiver because when you are on a waiver you can't perform to the full potential that you can without a waiver.

TSgt H, Creech AFB NV

12/26/2010 4:22:59 AM ET
Welcome to the Army Air Corps. Wait until a new CSAF rolls in. PT will change yet again.

Currently Deployed, The Desert

12/25/2010 9:43:39 AM ET
It would be awesome if we weren't fighting any wars, protecting the homeland, and doing the work of all the over-the-end-strength folks who are getting the boot. Then we could just hang out at the gym all day and get buff. Are they ever going to incorporate workout time into manpower audits or are we still expected to do fourteen hours worth of work in one twelve hour shift and somehow balance work and family, because you know big blue tells us that's important and go to the gym?

Sgt Whoever, Merry Christmas

12/24/2010 9:51:10 PM ET
The PT tests have always been bad. I remember in the old day's people walking up to the track with a smoke in their hand and passing the 1.5 run. Then the AF did away with that and went to the flawed ergo system. Prior to my retirement I had to take my PT test even though the test monitor told me I didn't. I passed it with no problems. The current system needs to be fixed once again. Wish you all the best who have to take the test.

Retited SNCO ok, ok

12/24/2010 12:06:27 PM ET
I guess I'm a little dense here.What are they doing increasing the run times overall scores.In other words do you now need more than 75 to pass.I read it again and must have missed something.Really I passed high schoolThanksMatt

Matt, Pennsylvania

12/24/2010 11:13:44 AM ET
I am ashamed to be in the Air Force that as a child wanted to join so badly. The leadership only cares about how much someones waist looks like and not about the people or the mission. I will be glad when these next ten years are up so that I can get out. I hope that the leadership will go back to thiking about the people and mission and not about how fast we can run around in a circle.

AF Member , FL

12/24/2010 10:47:26 AM ET
Get away from the keyboard -- walk up some stairs -- step away from the cookies and enroll in a fitness program from the HAWC. Quit making excuses or justifying your poor PT score because you're the greatest technical expert ever. Realize this is a standard you have to meet for being in the military -- if you don't like it you're only four failures away from not having this problem.Also why the change to have Airmen pair up to count pushupssitups Wasn't PTL integrity a part of the reason we created the FACs I'm interested to hear how FAC's will prevent the buddy-system-style counting.

Justin, Scott AFB

12/24/2010 8:07:28 AM ET
I sure hope the other branches are reading this childish babble that way they can bag on YOU more than ever. There is a simple fix if you don't like it... leave Embrace and support it or go flip burgers

MSgt Jason Bucy, Hurlburt

12/24/2010 3:29:02 AM ET
Look regardless of height a 39 inch waist in most means we have belly fat. Also I am only 65 inches in height and I am not complaining about the run time indifference. Should their be a ratio on everything 70 inches tall and over get less points for the run. I mean the taller the person the longer the legs right Senseless complaining just get in the gym. I'm 37 yrs old and just scored a 90 total for the first time this was not by accident. I had to lose weight and inches of my waist. I just had to stop eating crap food period. Less crap food more exercise good score.

Avg MSgt, Overseas

12/23/2010 10:45:28 PM ET
The people who were complaining in the first place are either out-of-shape or had out-of-shape troops and were tired of explaining why they didn't pass. It didn't stop me from getting a 99.7. I didn't blame anyone but myself for not stepping it up my run an extra 10 seconds. Want to complain about weather? Try testing in Phoenix in August. Get over it babies.

SSgt Mc, Phoenix

12/23/2010 9:16:39 PM ET
I got a 98 on my ASFAB and I have a Bachelors in Physics and I'm also in MENSA. Now I do Intergrated Avionics and I know how to do my job VERY well. Which needs a lot of brains and a little brawn. Any other enterprise would value these things. My fit test is coming up next month and if I don't pass the AF is willing to just toss all that talent and skill.

A1C Nerd, USA

12/23/2010 8:31:25 PM ET
My question about this change is how does it affect the accession process There is no way to see the changes. Does the Body Fat percentages change What is the chest measurement and now waist measurement dealing withI am a little over my max weight but was like that when I was in the active duty. Everyones body compostion is different and to place so much emphasis soley on weight is ridiculous. I look more fit in my uniform than alot of people currently in the Air Force.

Mike, Knoxville TN

12/23/2010 5:51:05 PM ET
Anyone remember the last time someone in the senior leadership ranks talked about what we are really here to do? Airplanes....

SNCO, West

12/23/2010 5:18:48 PM ET
how does passing a pt test make me fit to fight. i havent ran once in the desert. The air force is just dumbing down further and theres fat people at the FAC testing us its an oxymoron

SrA , eglin

12/23/2010 4:44:22 PM ET
Stop questioning why and how and... Remember basic training and how we all had to pass the physical requirements? It's easier to shift the blame rather than to start working out and getting back in shape. All that is needed is 30 to 45 minutes every day and a healthy diet.... This is the military and we need to be fit and ready.

SSgt L, GA

12/23/2010 4:24:20 PM ET
I agree with SNCO at Wright-Patt on the abdominal circumference measurements. This has been an on-going issue since inception of the new fitness PT program 8 plus yrs and can no longer be ignored. When will this finally be addressed?

SNCO, Luke AFB

12/23/2010 3:32:02 PM ET
The Air force has to realize that at some point Airmen don't come in one shape, one size. I know Airmen, Sgts and SNCO's who are by no means fit to fight, yet they pass. The gym rats who can't pass the physical are frustrated to say the least. Get back to the roots of being physically fit and forget all these computer models of what we should be.

Lt.K, Selfridge ANGB

12/23/2010 3:08:34 PM ET
I got medically discharged after having 5 surgeries. During the last part of my enlistment upper mgt and commanders were trying to give me a referral EPR for fitness because I could only do the waist measurement portion being exempted from everything else, using that 42 day rule. I think it's hard to group everyone into one fitness standard and expect everyone to pass. The Air Force wants mission ready Barbie's and Johnny Bravo's and that's just not realistic. Focus on mission....the enemy doesn't care how fit we are when he's a sniper

Carrie, Andrews AFB

12/23/2010 2:49:24 PM ET
The fitness assessment is for a member to achieve their best not to strive to meet only the minimum required.Execellence in All We do. The application applies to all parts of your career with fitness being a huge part of it. Your overall fitness is extremely important to the overall mission of the Air Force. your ability to perform at a forward deployed location has a huge impact on AF operations. Concerning the AC measurement to your height. Based on the research the waist to stature ratio of adult male and female is in line with what the AF has for male and female members. Ashwell June 2006 International Journal of Obesity 30988-992 The issue of early testing. That is the members choice to test early. knowing your currency status is important to your career and should be a priority of every AF member. Members who wait until the last minute when everything is on the line for example PCS assignment line number for rank or command position is an added stressor not needed

Sinclair BayardCSCS, Pentagon

12/23/2010 2:35:00 PM ET
Integrity first. AFI and program continues to embrace the lie that a person who can't pass this test is somehow less able to perform their mission. I've had guys who can't pass the test work for me and I've had guys come back from the war early because they couldn't wear the body armor without a bad back. NO overlap in those two groups. My early return guy scores a 95 because his waiver prohibited all but the waist measurement. He's fit to fight but my guy who's got a Bronze Star from a recent deployment and a 40 inch waist has his career destroyed regardless of the performance scores Like the bike test and the execution of the Quality AF program. We'll be ashamed to admit we were part of this in 5 years.

Disgruntled supervisor, Nellis AFB

12/23/2010 2:31:54 PM ET
PT testing is another tool to get rid of people. Increased healthcare costs are driving this. You no longer need to worry about being able to do your job but you better pass that PT test. Good luck, Air Force

Retired in Colorado, Colorado

12/23/2010 2:29:37 PM ET
I agree with previous comments. It is misleading that you can pass every phase of the test and still fail overall. How can this persist? Also, a waist measurement is not an indication of overall fitness. A person's build/shape should not count against him or her as much as it presently does.

D. Green LTC, mcguire afb nj.

12/23/2010 2:07:41 PM ET
So the PT test is all about readiness? I have an issue with this. If you fail a PT test you can still deploy, despite your score. Oh USAF.

A1C Ramrez, LRAFB

12/23/2010 1:55:16 PM ET
I completely agree with SNCO at Wright-Patt I am 79 inches tall and will NEVER have a 35 inch waist unless I starved myself for a couple of months. Who knows? Maybe that's what the AF wants...

Capt H, Melbourne FL

12/23/2010 1:09:44 PM ET
I dont understand the reasoning behind not counting a sit up if your hand comes an inch off your chest. You gain no momentum if you do that. The civilians took about 13 sit-ups off my test and never corrected me during the test. Even holding on to your shirt doesn't help at all but yet you still can't do that. Explain.

Rob, bagram air field

12/23/2010 1:06:32 PM ET
Mr. Jamison, How do you believe that you can have proper mission execution without being fit enough to do it?

A1C B, DM

12/23/2010 12:47:33 PM ET
Can't agree witht the waist ratio comment... With that logic, someone with 31 inch legs should have a longer time or shorter distance to run than someone with 40 inch legs. The minimum standard has to be the same for all. Although I feel the injustice as a short hobbit-like built person.

SMSgt Shorty, Texas

12/23/2010 12:44:55 PM ET
First off, the EPR is a good system and it's not broke... Airman just need to use it correctly. Second, the PT test is easy so if you can't pass, do something about it. Take action and eliminate the excuses. Arnold Schwarzenegger at his peak had a 57 chest, 34 waist, and 22 biceps. So yes, it is possible to maintain standards and still be a gym rat.

Andrew, USAFE

12/23/2010 12:39:18 PM ET
The best part of being retired: A, no PT test; B, earning in a week what used to take a month; and C, NO PT TEST

Retired, Ohio

12/23/2010 12:25:52 PM ET
What a surprise. The change comes out and directs you to a video which isn't available yet. Just another disappointment in the Fitness Program.

TSgt S, PA

12/23/2010 12:25:06 PM ET
@SSGT B...the test did not previously allow members to use their fists for the push-up. I lost 6 pushups off of my test in July when I switched from palms to fists mid-assessment. When I asked why, the civilian contractor stated that the regulation only specified that the palms needed to be down. However, prior to starting the assessment I asked the PTL overseeing my assessment if I may switch to my fists and he advised me that he didn't see a problem.

SSGT G, Pope AAF

12/23/2010 12:08:07 PM ET
I echo SSgt B remark.What changed?

echoes, Europa

12/23/2010 12:03:36 PM ET
How much longer is the Air Force going to ignore that all individuals are not built the same as far as when it comes to the Abdominal circumference assessment? An individual that is 74 inches at height and has a chest measurement of 50 inches should not be held to the same admominal measurement of someone that is 65 inches tall and has a chest measurement of 40 inches. There needs to be a ratio incorporated here just to make fair.

SNCO, Wright-Patt

12/23/2010 12:00:52 PM ET
SSgt B Somewhere Read the fine print a little closer regarding sit-ups. Example no longer are people allowed to stand on the persons feet while they accomplish the sit-up portion of the test. Feet must now be held by hand or by toe bar. Also for push ups. Palms or fists are now included as proper pushups as previously it had to be your palms flat on the ground. Just a few of the changes explained above.

DirtyDawg, CONUS

12/23/2010 11:45:23 AM ET
Way too big of a difference between Male and Female scores and minimum passing requirements. Come ON. Most women I know can outrun any man.

Not Fair, SA Tx

12/23/2010 11:45:10 AM ET
Wish we would spend equal time to fix our broken EPR system as we have tinkering with fitness.

BM, Edwards

12/23/2010 11:45:06 AM ET
I don't think its right that even if you pass all the requirements of the test, but didn't score very high in each catagory you can still fail.

A1C Nelson, Dover

12/23/2010 11:15:34 AM ET
What has happened to the Air Force? Maybe Mission, Mission, Mission should be the top priority and not Fit to Fight.

robert Jamison, Wright Patterson

12/23/2010 7:41:28 AM ET
This article doesn't mention that the change to the AFI also lowers the bar on the weather standard for testing. I point this out because for some reason here in New Jersey our FACs were somehow caught off gaurd by the fact that it was going to be cold in December. They didn't have a cold weather plan for testing. This change to 20 degrees from 32 degrees will at least make thier difficult job of knowing the normal weather in the state they live in easier.

MSgt, JB M-D-L

12/22/2010 9:13:54 PM ET
Still no accommodation for high altitude though. Piffle.

PB, US

12/22/2010 2:24:21 PM ET
Good changes to the system but probably a little too late for some folks who were not given the full 90 days by their leaders and were forced to retest on the 42nd day. I agree they should have passed their tests in the first place but forcing folks to take the test 42 days after failure is just setting them up for further failure. I hope leaders go back to evaluate their decision to terminate people's enlistments when the intent of the instruction was not being applied properly.

Retired SNCO, Midwest

12/22/2010 1:57:38 PM ET
Never have understood the resting restrictions...if someone wants to waste time resting in an up down sideways position...that should be their call. Same for the new you can't walk slow or stop guideline...I'd hate to be the FAC member trying to judget that one Ah Sir I think you're walking too slow and your test is now invalid.. How about also making it a requirement that runners cannot walk or their test is over? If they truly listened to the airmen, they'd do away with the minimal scores for each component.

Chuck Roast, MS

12/22/2010 1:35:04 PM ET
My question is with the push-ups. Besides the fact that you can lift your hands up off the ground in the up position...what's different about how the push-up will be performed prior to this soon to be change on 1-Jan-2011? What about the sit-ups? What's different?

SSgt B, Somewhere

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