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9.11.2009

Remembering 9-11

When you go through security checkpoints, your mind is on making sure you got the metal out of your pockets and the liquids out of your carry-on bag and what gate you need to head to afterward. Your goal is to get through and get through quickly, which means no chit chat. No time to pay attention to people. Before I worked at TSA, it was the same for me.

Two years ago, TSA employees were given the chance to share their memories of 9-11 as part of a historical archive and a way to share our experiences as an organization. I read all of stories that were submitted, and it was a humbling experience.

One of the men who works in my building was working in the Pentagon, in the innermost circle where the plane went in. When the smoke got to his area, he used the skills he learned in the Marines, got his gas mask, and joined his colleagues in rescuing others. There were a few stories of others from the Pentagon who came to TSA as well.

If you fly through Las Vegas, you might be screened by a woman who worked on the in the North Tower of the World Trade Center. She was in the office that morning, but left the building to run an errand, and just as she was returning, the first plane hit. She tried to get back in to help her boss and colleagues, but the firemen wouldn’t let her in. She came to TSA and has committed her service to her colleagues who died and the firemen who saved her life.

A member of the military lost a colleague in the World Trade Center and another one in the Pentagon. After he retired from active duty, he wanted to continue to serve his country, so he joined TSA as a bomb appraisal officer. He’s one of the guys who comes to resolve alarms and teaches officers about explosives detection techniques.

A law enforcement officer who lost family members on the plane that hit the Pentagon joined the Federal Air Marshal Service so he could work more actively to prevent another attack.

A Transportation Security Officer in Hawaii carries a picture of an usher at her niece’s wedding with her to work every day. Shortly after the wedding, he was on one of the planes that hit the World Trade Center.

There were stories of people who lived near the crash sites who witnessed the events of the day. Some were near the buildings who had to scramble to get out, and some whose lives were spared when the Towers came down because someone helped them. A wife of a NYC fireman joined TSA to do her part. People who were high school students on 9-11 shared their stories.

Most of the stories were from people who didn’t know anyone on the planes or in the buildings, but felt a call to action. Over and over, they talked about wanting to do something , wrote “Not on my watch” and pledged their service to protect their country in memory of those who died.
We know you’re in a hurry when you’re going through security, but we wanted you to know that you might be screened or helped by someone like the people who shared their stories with us.
Today, we honor the victims of 9-11 and the heroes who gave their lives while trying to save others. Around the country, TSA’s officers, inspectors, supervisors and FAMs will rededicate themselves to the mission. We will never forget.

Thanks for all you do to help TSA keep the aviation system safe. And if you’d like, share your 9-11 story in the comments section.

Lynn

TSA Blog Team Member

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86 Comments:

Anonymous Earl Pitts said...

Are you going to be censoring posts critical of how TSA has 9/11 as an excuse for continously adding restrictions on travel? You know, like you did last year?

Earl

September 11, 2009 7:10 PM

 
Blogger Bob said...

Hey Earl, glad to see you could make it. Always great to hear from you, sir.

Blogger Bob
TSA Blog Team

September 11, 2009 7:15 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Earl is one unhappy soul....

September 11, 2009 8:51 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We do not live in a perfect world and by no means is TSA perfect but thank you Bob for putting things into perspective. Some of us are at TSA for the right reasons and all of the Earls in the world cannot take that away. The moment of silence at my airport was very moving for TSA Workers as well as passengers. Thank you Bob for the arena to speak our minds whether we agree with you or not. I will never forget why I go to work everyday. I will never forget.

September 11, 2009 9:18 PM

 
Blogger Patrick (BOS TSO) said...

This second to last blurb here...

"A Transportation Security Officer in Hawaii carries a picture of an usher at her niece’s wedding with her to work every day. Shortly after the wedding, he was on one of the planes that hit the World Trade Center."

It sent a slight chill down my spine because...

I know that TSO, she now works here with me at Logan alongside me everyday. In fact, I happened to be in our checkpoint office when she chatting and bringing up this story with the only other TSO in the office, so when I read this. I knew who it was.

September 11, 2009 9:23 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

When I go through a checkpoint, I think of TSA's stupidity and arrogance and cowardice. I think of how TSA has done more in its misbegotten existence to terrorize and intimidate and scare innocent American citizens than al Qaeda could ever hope to have done when it dreamed up the 9/11 attacks. When you put on your tin badges and phony cop uniforms, you are continuing the work bin Laden started.

September 11, 2009 11:30 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I remember many saying that we were attacked because others, "hated us for our freedoms."

How sad, that TSA daily, routinely tries to take some of those freedoms away.

T-the-B at FlyerTalk

September 11, 2009 11:48 PM

 
Anonymous Sebastian said...

Personally, although security checks are a huge inconvenience, I think that they are, at the moment anyway, a necessary evil. It seems unlikely that 9/11 could happen again, which is surely a reassuring thought.

September 12, 2009 4:12 AM

 
Blogger GSOLTSO said...

I would like to offer remembrance of those that were lost, and the family members and friends that lost someone. I wish you peace.

West
TSA Blog Team

September 12, 2009 4:32 AM

 
Anonymous Oralia Soto-Vladimirov said...

My heart goes out to those who lost a love one, hope these tough times with new goals help you get through life. Realizing today is a new day and another year has gone by might be rough.

Smile.

September 12, 2009 4:45 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Until TSA does 100% employee screening I think they could care less about 9/11.

September 12, 2009 9:03 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Quoted:
"Anonymous said...
When I go through a checkpoint, I think of TSA's...... September 11, 2009 11:30 PM"
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Once again, the stupidy arrives right on cue......

September 12, 2009 9:51 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"When I go through a checkpoint, I think of TSA's stupidity and arrogance and cowardice. I think of how TSA has done more in its misbegotten existence to terrorize and intimidate and scare innocent American citizens than al Qaeda could ever hope to have done when it dreamed up the 9/11 attacks. When you put on your tin badges and phony cop uniforms, you are continuing the work bin Laden started."

And I think you are a baby. You're inconvienced for 30 seconds going through TSA's checkpoint, and all you see is hated and scorn. YOU are doing bin Laden's work for him. Keep up the hate...

September 12, 2009 10:04 AM

 
Anonymous Sandra said...

I believe that a majority of those who died on 9/11 would be appalled at what has become of this country since that day - and the TSA is a huge factor in that.

September 12, 2009 10:35 AM

 
Anonymous Brenda said...

To Anonymous 9/11 at 11:30p

TSA is here to help the people and our country be safe from those people who want to harm!
As I look around at the small town that I live in, I can't believe all the terror that happens. I just don't understand when we try and do good for our town someone just comes in and ruins it for everyone with no respect taken, no care, just ignorance!
What do you do when a Police Officer speaks to you? A Doctor? A pilot or a homeless person on the streets? Are you that mad at the world or yourself that you have to disrespect. We are already going through so much with government issues, concerns for our future, the next generation, economy, destruction, the list goes on and on and it's frustrating, depressing and of course the list goes on.
We scare ourselves!

September 12, 2009 11:52 AM

 
Anonymous TSOWilliamReed said...

Wow what rude comments, good job honoring america. Here is my story about 9/11. I was in High School here at Ketchikan High School Alaska. I was sitting in english class when the principal came on the intercom and informed all teachers in the building to turn on their classroom television sets. The school had turned all sets onto the news channel broadcasting the images of the planes crashing into the towers. The first image I saw was a dust cload and debris coming at a person filming in a street, I thought it was a movie commercial. Then they replayed the clip of the plane hitting the tower and the entire school went silent. We went the whole day from class to class doing nothing but watching the television, no school work was done and there was silence in the school. The other thing I remember is for the first time in my entire life the following week, I saw more american flags than any 4th of july I have ever witnessed. People were standing up and uniteing in a way I never thought possible in current america.

Thats my story

September 12, 2009 12:20 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"As I look around at the small town that I live in, I can't believe all the terror that happens."

What terrorism has taken place in your small town, exactly?

September 12, 2009 1:24 PM

 
Blogger RB said...

TSOWilliamReed said...
Wow what rude comments, good job honoring america.
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The comments are not directed at those who fell or lost loved ones on 9/11.
We all remember those who suffered.

The comments are clearly directed at a government agency that seems to have little concern for violating the law, abusing a limited Administrative Search and trying to convince the public that they are responsible for no additional attacks by terrorist.

Now if that government agency just happens to be TSA so be it.

Ask yourself why TSA is one of the most hated agencies ever conceived.

September 12, 2009 1:31 PM

 
Anonymous TSOWilliamReed said...

Who the comments are directed at do not matter. You do not go to the presidents 9/11 rememberance speach and yell at him for not fixing the economy or saving health care. You save that for a different day. It is just rude and uncalled for, save your TSA flaming and comments for a different blog. This blog is about remembering and to bring up negativity like that is just rude and uncalled for.

September 12, 2009 1:47 PM

 
Blogger RB said...

TSOWilliamReed said...

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I say abuses of the Constitution and of the law by TSA employees is rude and uncalled for.

September 12, 2009 2:19 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Sandra said...
I believe that a majority of those who died on 9/11 would be appalled at what has become of this country since that day - and the TSA is a huge factor in that."

I believe that every single person who lost their lives that day would have loved to have gone through the screening process as it is today in order to have just one more minute with their loved ones, if only to just say Good Bye.

September 12, 2009 3:01 PM

 
Blogger Dunstan said...

I lost a parent in a plane crash a number of years before 9/11. My deepest sympathy goes out to all who were affected by 9/11.

September 12, 2009 3:28 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sandra said...
I believe that a majority of those who died on 9/11 would be appalled at what has become of this country since that day - and the TSA is a huge factor in that."

Anonymous said...
I believe that every single person who lost their lives that day would have loved to have gone through the screening process as it is today in order to have just one more minute with their loved ones, if only to just say Good Bye.


I believe that is wrong and quite disrespectfult for anyone to try and speculate what these people would or wouldn't do today. They are tragic victims of a terrible attack, not pawns in your arguments. These were cherished family members and friends. Whether you are for or against TSA is your own business, but 9/11 should be a day to remember those who were lost, those who fought to live, those who lost their lives trying to help others, and those who continue to fight so that others may live in freedom. It is so sad that 8 years later we can not set aside our differences for just ONE day to honor these people just as we did in the weeks following this horrific event.
It is our inability to stand united despite our differing opinions that will be the demise of our country.

September 12, 2009 4:08 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What is your excuse for the treatment of Dave Davies?

September 12, 2009 4:18 PM

 
Anonymous TSOWilliamReed said...

Anonymous said...

I believe that is wrong and quite disrespectfult for anyone to try and speculate what these people would or wouldn't do today. They are tragic victims of a terrible attack, not pawns in your arguments. These were cherished family members and friends. Whether you are for or against TSA is your own business, but 9/11 should be a day to remember those who were lost, those who fought to live, those who lost their lives trying to help others, and those who continue to fight so that others may live in freedom. It is so sad that 8 years later we can not set aside our differences for just ONE day to honor these people just as we did in the weeks following this horrific event.
It is our inability to stand united despite our differing opinions that will be the demise of our country.

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Thank you

September 12, 2009 5:59 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The beauty of our country is that we can voice our difference of opinion! Thanks to all that try to protect all of us regardless of what we think or feel.

September 12, 2009 6:22 PM

 
Anonymous Robert Johnson said...

Quote from Anonymous: "I believe that every single person who lost their lives that day would have loved to have gone through the screening process as it is today in order to have just one more minute with their loved ones, if only to just say Good Bye."

And despite all of that, TSA's screening process still wouldn't have saved them if it had been in existence at the time.

For me 9/11 was a day of reflection. One to honor those that died. And one of great sadness, not just for the event that happened (that was terribly sad), but for the degradation of freedom, in transportation and elsewhere, and what we've allowed America to become. America cannot continue to be the bastion of freedom when its citizens are so willing to give up those freedom for assurances of safety.

Speaking out against the loss of such freedom, even when TSA is a part of it, is not giving aid and comfort to Al Qaida as some have described. On the contrary, speaking out against them is the only way to wake up the populace so Usama bin Laden doesn't keep laughing his tail off at us while he sits in some cave in Pakistan.

Someone said that 9/11 should not be used as a pawn in arguments for political ends. I agree. TSA, DHS and the rest of the government need to stop using it for that.

It saddens me to see how far we've fallen as a nation in just 8 years. Every 9/11, I only get sadder.

Robert

September 12, 2009 6:25 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To all the Earl Pitts and TSA haters I ask you this, what branch of service did you serve in? Did you ever have to leave home and family and fight a war? If you answered no to this then you need to never complain again because you did not earn the right!!

September 12, 2009 8:06 PM

 
Anonymous Monica said...

I feel sorry for those who lost their family members on this terrible morning.

R.I.P those innocent people who lost their lives on 9/11 to the NYFD,NYPD,the Victims, and to anyone else who lost their lives on 9/11 the words that everyone said on that day "We Will Never Forget."

September 12, 2009 8:45 PM

 
Blogger RB said...

Anonymous said...
To all the Earl Pitts and TSA haters I ask you this, what branch of service did you serve in? Did you ever have to leave home and family and fight a war? If you answered no to this then you need to never complain again because you did not earn the right!!

September 12, 2009 8:06 PM
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23 years USN.

Now where and how long did you serve Anon?

September 12, 2009 9:15 PM

 
Blogger Dunstan said...

Anonymous said...

"To all the Earl Pitts and TSA haters I ask you this, what branch of service did you serve in? Did you ever have to leave home and family and fight a war? If you answered no to this then you need to never complain again because you did not earn the right!!"

I am saddened by your own hatred and anger. Everyone has a right to an opinion, and the right to express it. Just because you don't agree with them, it doesn't mean that they are wrong to speak out, or should be silenced. Freedom of speech is one of the foundations of our country and constitution.
"My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right." Senator Carl Shurtz

September 12, 2009 9:24 PM

 
Blogger Ayn R. Key said...

I think that as important as it is to remember the lessons of 9/11/2009, it's even more important to remember the lessons of 9/12/2009

September 12, 2009 10:00 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As a TSO I must say that people will never fully agree with what they do. When I fly, I'm not a big fan of the TSA policies, but I know why they exist, and I know that it does keep me safe. So in all honesty, can we please stop complaining about TSOs like myself and move on. You know the liquid rules, just follow them. I don't hire a contractor and then complain when he tells me that loud noises are part of his job. I just go to work and do my job, please just let us do our job and keep you safe with as little hassle as possible.

September 12, 2009 10:39 PM

 
Anonymous ordis said...

The moment of silence at my airport was very moving for TSA Workers as well as passengers. Thank you Bob for the arena to speak our minds whether we agree with you or not.

September 13, 2009 9:10 AM

 
Blogger Manny said...

When we held the moment of silence at our airport, not one person complained nor protested that we had stopped for 60 seconds to honor those who were killed that day. In fact, many passengers and crew members stopped to bow their heads during that moment.

So while I read some of the negative comments in here, it seems that none of those people were at my airport last Friday.

September 13, 2009 9:33 AM

 
Blogger RB said...

Anonymous said...
As a TSO I must say that people will never fully agree with what they do. When I fly, I'm not a big fan of the TSA policies, but I know why they exist, and I know that it does keep me safe. So in all honesty, can we please stop complaining about TSOs like myself and move on. You know the liquid rules, just follow them. I don't hire a contractor and then complain when he tells me that loud noises are part of his job. I just go to work and do my job, please just let us do our job and keep you safe with as little hassle as possible.

September 12, 2009 10:39 PM
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Your suggesting that we (people who fly commercial air) should just accept what TSA does without question.

I say no.

Publish all the rules we must comply with.

Show us how these rules increase safety.

Abide by the rules TSA has established and stop exceeding the limited Administrative Search for WEI which is all TSA is authorized to do.

One major tenet of the United States is the ability of the people to question our government. TSA is part of that government.

When TSA starts acting in a lawful manner then I will stop asking questions.

September 13, 2009 10:52 AM

 
Blogger RB said...

http://online.barrons.com/article/SB125270793866604679.html?mod=BOL_hpp_mag#artCommBookmark

or tiny:

http://tinyurl.com/rbenxc

TSA: Taxes Spent Absurdly

While remembering 9/11 and all those who died or suffered I think reflection on where we are today is warranted.

September 13, 2009 11:31 AM

 
Blogger Phil said...

As everyone reflects, I'd like to remind them that as reported by Peter Tatchel of The Guardian on September 12 2007, chair and vice chair of the 9/11 Commission, Thomas Kean and Lee Hamilton, have since stated that they were "set up to fail" and were starved of funds to do a proper investigation. They also confirm that they were denied access to the truth and misled by senior officials in the Pentagon and the federal aviation authority; and that this obstruction and deception led them to contemplate slapping officials with criminal charges. Also note that despite the many public statements by 9/11 commissioners and staff members acknowledging they were repeatedly lied to, not a single person has ever been charged, tried, or even reprimanded, for lying to the 9/11 Commission.

The final report did not examine key evidence, and neglected serious anomalies in the various accounts of what happened. The commissioners admit their report was incomplete and flawed, and that many questions about the disaster remain unanswered. Despite these unanswered questions, the 9/11 Commission was closed down on August 21, 2004.

September 13, 2009 11:52 AM

 
Blogger Phil said...

Seven years later, let's put our differences aside and honor the heroic survivors of 9/11. Their stories and concerns deserve attention.

September 13, 2009 11:53 AM

 
Blogger Phil said...

William Rodriquez helped 15 people from the WTC to safety, and as Rodriguez was the only person at the site with the master key to the North Tower stairwells, he bravely led firefighters up the stairwell, unlocking doors as they ascended, thereby aiding in the successful evacuation of unknown hundreds of those who survived. Rodriguez, at great risk to his own life, re-entered the Towers three times after the first, North Tower impact at about 8:46 A.M., and is believed to be the last person to exit the falling North Tower alive, surviving the building's collapse by diving beneath a fire truck. After receiving medical attention at the WTC site for his injuries, Rodriguez spent the rest of 9/11 aiding as a volunteer in the rescue efforts, and at dawn the following morning, was back at Ground Zero continuing his heroic efforts.

He was the last man out.

September 13, 2009 11:53 AM

 
Anonymous TSOWilliamReed said...

RB said...
http://online.barrons.com/article/SB125270793866604679.html?mod=BOL_hpp_mag#artCommBookmark

or tiny:

http://tinyurl.com/rbenxc

TSA: Taxes Spent Absurdly

While remembering 9/11 and all those who died or suffered me think reflection on where we are today is warranted.
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RB I am really curious what TSA ever did to you that makes you hate them so much. TSA is not a rampant monstrous evil agency like you say it is. Barack Obama use to have bad feelings for TSA. However after becoming president and learning of what TSA does and fights every day not only did he change his mind about the budget cuts he was going to make towards TSA, he actually gave TSA a bonus with the economic stimulus money. With that said, when I as a TSO tell you that what TSA does every day matters and that I can not tell you about it because our government does not want the general public to know what we fight every day, would you believe me. If the government wasn’t proud of what TSA does every day or if we really are just security theatre then why would the American government ask TSA for help making the presidential inauguration secure? I am guessing no one noticed the TSOs working hard at the security checkpoints during the inauguration.

September 13, 2009 5:34 PM

 
Anonymous Dizi izle said...

We don't want to remember 9-11. We just want to forget it. Hope we never live such a bad thing :(

September 13, 2009 7:59 PM

 
Anonymous Earl Pitts said...

Yes, I'm an unhappy soul, in some respects anyway. I'm unhappy with how TSA has abused and trampled on 9/11 for its own ends. It's not an appropriate tribute for those that died on that day, nor those that lived thru it either.

I don't think it's relevant where I've served. Suffice it to say I have served and continue to serve my country. Speaking out against the government is not a right I "earn" but one protected under the constitution. And it's one I work to protect every day. I'm sorry if anyone disagrees with my utilization of that right to express that opinion. I'm sorry that they don't get that that right is one of the things that makes this country great.

I AM glad that TSA is letting us have this discussion this year. It wasn't afforded to us last year.

Agree or disagree with my opinion. That's your perogative and your right. That doesn't necessarily make me wrong or an unhappy person simply because I'm not a "rah rah" for TSA.

9/11 means different things to different people. And just because someone has a different meaning and observance for it doesn't make their way wrong and yours right.

Earl

September 13, 2009 10:12 PM

 
Blogger Ayn R. Key said...

Anonymous wrote:
To all the Earl Pitts and TSA haters I ask you this, what branch of service did you serve in? Did you ever have to leave home and family and fight a war? If you answered no to this then you need to never complain again because you did not earn the right!!

My service in the United States Air Force gives them the right you say they don't have.

September 14, 2009 1:34 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"never forget" = "keep being afraid while your rights are taken away"

September 14, 2009 6:24 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

anyone have good number to check on twic wavier!!!!!!!!!! been waiting for five or six months and havent heard nothing

September 14, 2009 9:47 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

any news on twic waiver

September 14, 2009 9:49 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To those who have suggested that those who have not completed military service don't have the right to complain: 1) The Constitution is founded on the principle that all men (however defined) are born with certain rights. These rights can be violated, but one never has to "earn" them in the first place. 2) Perhaps you'd like to explain how your military service has done anything in concrete terms to protect my right to bad-mouth the military. I know that people say this all the time, but I really fail to understand how American soldiers who were killed unsuccessfully attempting to keep Saigon from becoming Ho Chi Minh city, or those who are unsuccessfully trying to keep Kabul from falling to the Taliban have done anything that has anything to do with protecting my right to criticize them.

September 14, 2009 12:52 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

TSOWilliamReed said...
With that said, when I as a TSO tell you that what TSA does every day matters and that I can not tell you about it because our government does not want the general public to know what we fight every day, would you believe me.

This is precisely why we don’t believe the TSA and its employees. If the TSA was doing something more than checking for guns, knives, and explosives that was providing some sort of invaluable service to the United States. There would be press releases galore, you’re not the CIA where what the TSA does on daily basis is top secret.
If the government wasn’t proud of what TSA does every day or if we really are just security theatre then why would the American government ask TSA for help making the presidential inauguration secure? I am guessing no one noticed the TSOs working hard at the security checkpoints during the inauguration.
The Secret Service needed a way to free up as many of its agents as possible to protect the president given the crowds that were anticipated. Having TSO’s, man a screening checkpoint under the supervision of a single Secret Service agent allowed them to make better use of their manpower. Since the TSA runs background checks on its staff it saved the time and hassle they would have to go through of hiring a private company.
You’re not Jack Bauer saving the world from terrorists. You are single layer in the security and intelligence organizations at the federal level and a low level one at that. If a terrorist incident occurs at an airport that will be because the FBI, CIA, NSA, and their military counterparts have failed to gather the intelligence needed to stop these incidents. Similar to the manner in which the British intelligence agencies were able to prevent the people involved in the liquid explosive attack from ever getting near the airport.

September 14, 2009 12:53 PM

 
Blogger RB said...

RB I am really curious what TSA ever did to you that makes you hate them so much. TSA is not a rampant monstrous evil agency like you say it is. Barack Obama use to have bad feelings for TSA. However after becoming president and learning of what TSA does and fights every day not only did he change his mind about the budget cuts he was going to make towards TSA, he actually gave TSA a bonus with the economic stimulus money. With that said, when I as a TSO tell you that what TSA does every day matters and that I can not tell you about it because our government does not want the general public to know what we fight every day, would you believe me. If the government wasn’t proud of what TSA does every day or if we really are just security theatre then why would the American government ask TSA for help making the presidential inauguration secure? I am guessing no one noticed the TSOs working hard at the security checkpoints during the inauguration.

September 13, 2009 5:34 PM

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Before shoes were required to be removed I was transiting DFW. A sign before the WTMD clearly stated shoes did not have to be removed. I chose not to do so since injury to my feet could be life threatening. The TSO told me I had to remove the shoes, I showed him the sign and got a secondary for my efforts.

FLL TSO attempted a suspected theft from my spouses purse just as it exited xray. Reported same and was told we all have to put up with increased screening. A cover up by FLL FSD on down in my opinion.

DFW TDC, just a basic AH!

...just a few examples...

TSA abuse of the Constitution and the rights of the people is well documented. All it takes is a bit of reading and almost weekly new examples of TSA doing wrong are made public.

If TSA is doing such good work I think the public should know more. Secrecy (and SSI is not a valid security classification) is not in the best interest of the people.

How about something simple like publishing the rules we have to comply with to simply transit a TSA checkpoint.

Or explain why ID improves safety if a person is properly screened.

Or how Gate Checks are needed if TSA checkpoints are doing proper screening.

Or why all people who enter the secure areas of airports should not be screened.

Or why BDO's, who have extremely high false positives can cause a person to be screened in a manner that exceeds any practical limit like a recent college student was.

I didn't know about the Economic Stimulus Funds being given to TSA. I think that is an abuse of what those monies were meant for. I will be contacting my CongressCritters and asking why these funds have been improperly allocated.

As for using TSA employees for political events, sporting events or any other event that is not transportation related I think that is an abuse of taxpayers goodwill. TSA has no charter that allows for this misappropriation.

I don't hate TSA as you claim but I am not happy with what the TSA is doing to my country. Neither are most of the people who come into contact with TSA.

Read any article about TSA published anywhere and then the comments if there are any. Favorable comments are few and far between. I think you and TSA should be asking why that is.

Is the majority of people who come into contact with TSA all wrong?

I think not!

September 14, 2009 1:30 PM

 
Blogger Ayn R. Key said...

I could give examples of how I have personally been harmed by the TSA. I really could. But that would only feed into a trap you are laying for us when you ask us for those.

You want to be able to say that we are the exception because we got bad treatment from a bad apple.

The reason I am disgusted with the TSA is because whenever one persons rights are violated by the government then nobody is free. Wherever there is government trampling on the rights of the free, there is my spirit supporting the oppressed. And the TSA is there too often on the other side.

September 14, 2009 2:12 PM

 
Anonymous Marcus Hill said...

9-11 Caused what the TSA is today. Personal security is no different that what security you have on your computers. You trade convenience for security. The more secure you want to feel, the more inconveniences you put up with. I for one will put up with ANY such "inconvenience" when it comes to the lives of my family.

September 14, 2009 4:03 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

TSA Mistakes Washington Nationals Hat for Terrorist Message:

Terrorist Nats?

The long Washington Nationals season is finally crawling to a close. The chronic basement dwellers have outdone their prior haplessness and are on pace to lose 106 games, which would make them the second-worst Washington team in a century. (Thank goodness the Mets lost 120 games in 1962.)

Now it seems that being a Nats fan -- and wearing one of those green Nationals hats -- not only can be embarrassing but can even get you in a heap of trouble.

Take what happened when Tyler Allard, legislative assistant to Rep. Jim Cooper (D-Tenn.), wore the cap as he returned from a trip last month to Jordan and Israel. An Israeli airport security guard pointed to the hat with the curly W team logo and demanded with a tone of disgust, "Why do you wear that?"

"Good question," his father, former longtime Senate aide Nick Allard, replied. "They are hopeless. They desperately need relief. You never know when they will hit, and because their defense is so bad, they suffer more than they can dish out. It's not rational and I can't explain why, but we are loyal and we love them." The more he talked, the more upset the security folks became, Nick Allard reports. Their luggage was checked and rechecked, and they were quizzed by security.

When they were finally cleared to board, Allard wrote in an e-mail, the head of the security detail said: "We do not appreciate your Hamas headgear." Green apparently is a Palestinian "color," Allard speculated, and the vaguely Arabic Nats logo might have been mistaken for an extremist emblem.

"What the Nats have done this season is almost unforgivable," Allard notes, "but they are a long way from being mistaken for an organization capable of terrorizing the eastern division much less the Middle East. It's tough being a Nats fan. Home or away."

September 14, 2009 4:11 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I for one will put up with ANY such "inconvenience" when it comes to the lives of my family."

Unless your family are all minors, that is their decision to make, not yours.

September 14, 2009 5:43 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I for one will put up with ANY such "inconvenience" when it comes to the lives of my family."

You would? So you'd let TSA strip-search your minor children? You'd let TSA perform cavity searches?

What's that you say? Those measures would be outsize to the reality of threats to aviation?

I've got news for you, TSA passed that point YEARS ago.

September 14, 2009 5:45 PM

 
Anonymous Robert Johnson said...

Quote from Marcus Hill: "9-11 Caused what the TSA is today. Personal security is no different that what security you have on your computers. You trade convenience for security."

If it's done right, then you'll hardly notice.

I work in a government facility on secured machines. I hardly notice all the security they put on it. I do my job easily without hassle. At home, I have my PC secured pretty well with antivirus, antispyware, and patching, amongst other practices. For the most part I don't even think about it since it all runs in the background. Yet I don't have spyware issues, hacks, or viruses. Now am I just lucky or do I know what I'm doing so I've minimized the hassle to a nonissue?

Same principles apply for TSA.

I notice the hassle at the airport. That doesn't mean I'm any safer. In fact, the GAO testing shows we're not any safer than we were before 9/11. We do get more hassle for it though. The things that should be happening behind the scenes to really protect us aren't because they aren't visible. People don't "feel" safe if they can't "see" security.

"The more secure you want to feel, the more inconveniences you put up with."

Keep in mind the operative world: FEEL. It doesn't mean that you're any safer, on your computer or in reality, for dealing with the hassle. More hassle does NOT equal more security. Security does not have to be intrusive to be effective.

"I for one will put up with ANY such "inconvenience" when it comes to the lives of my family."

Why should everyone else pay for your insecurities? You'd probably really hate traveling abroad then in other nations that don't subscribe to TSA's ideas of security.

As stated before, the lives of our families aren't protected any better despite the show TSA puts on. It may make you FEEL safer. Big difference.

I'd rather be safe than have the illusion of safety.

Robert

September 14, 2009 6:32 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In http://www.salon.com/tech/col/smith/2009/09/11/askthepilot333/ Robert Smith raises concerns that the TSA is not doing enough to detect explosives, and is wasting resources by treating every passenger, regardless of profile, as a potential threat. I share these concerns. How does the TSA respond? Thanks for this blog, I think it's useful!

September 14, 2009 8:13 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

"In http://www.salon.com/tech/col/smith/2009/09/11/askthepilot333/ Robert Smith raises concerns that the TSA is not doing enough to detect explosives, and is wasting resources by treating every passenger, regardless of profile, as a potential threat. I share these concerns. How does the TSA respond? Thanks for this blog, I think it's useful!"


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And how much money will TSA spend on lawyers and lawsuits if and when its starts to profile people?

September 15, 2009 9:27 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Robert Johnson said...

""I for one will put up with ANY such "inconvenience" when it comes to the lives of my family."

Why should everyone else pay for your insecurities? You'd probably really hate traveling abroad then in other nations that don't subscribe to TSA's ideas of security."


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Your argument is wrong, as are most of those who compare the security standards of the U.S. to most of the world.

To consider only security is to only look at a part of the whole. You HAVE to consider how nations feel about and deal with and accept/ not accept terrorism.

In general, terrorism is relatively new to the U.S. That is a fact. It has a longer history in other nations, in particular, Europe. As such, their collective attitudes regarding terrorism and how to deal with it is different than that of the U.S.

To argue that the U.S. should have the same standards of security as the rest of the world is to actually argue that we should accept terrorism as a normal course of business, as much of the rest of the world has done. I believe this is pretty well documented by social scientist and political scientist, as a cursory reading of the topic will prove.

Personally, I do not think we should ever accept terrorism as a normal part of life, and I think our security standards should reflect that.

I am also reminded of the differences in European culture (from the trips I have personally made over there in various nations) that many here would find upsetting. Who wants to have armed military personal walking around our national monuments (Paris)? Who wants to have machine guns point at them as they cross the street (happened to me and friends in Ireland)? How many airports in European nations have armed military personal in them, not simply something like TSA and airport police? And the subways, can't tell you how many times I have seen para-military personal walking around with machine guns in those places.

That is what it really comes down to, this argument about security. Its about a nations view on secuirty and terrorism and what is an what is not accepted.

Sure, policy can be argued, but it is faulty to compare the security at airports in the U.S. and the rest of the world without first comparing other social differences between the U.S. and other nations.

To do so is very naïve.

September 15, 2009 9:38 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

"TSA Mistakes Washington Nationals Hat for Terrorist Message:

Terrorist Nats?

The long Washington Nationals season is finally crawling to a close. The chronic basement dwellers have outdone their prior haplessness and are on pace to lose 106 games, which would make them the second-worst Washington team in a century. (Thank goodness the Mets lost 120 games in 1962.)

Now it seems that being a Nats fan -- and wearing one of those green Nationals hats -- not only can be embarrassing but can even get you in a heap of trouble.

Take what happened when Tyler Allard, legislative assistant to Rep. Jim Cooper (D-Tenn.), wore the cap as he returned from a trip last month to Jordan and Israel. An Israeli airport security guard pointed to the hat with the curly W team logo and demanded with a tone of disgust, "Why do you wear that?"

"Good question," his father, former longtime Senate aide Nick Allard, replied. "They are hopeless. They desperately need relief. You never know when they will hit, and because their defense is so bad, they suffer more than they can dish out. It's not rational and I can't explain why, but we are loyal and we love them." The more he talked, the more upset the security folks became, Nick Allard reports. Their luggage was checked and rechecked, and they were quizzed by security.

When they were finally cleared to board, Allard wrote in an e-mail, the head of the security detail said: "We do not appreciate your Hamas headgear." Green apparently is a Palestinian "color," Allard speculated, and the vaguely Arabic Nats logo might have been mistaken for an extremist emblem.

"What the Nats have done this season is almost unforgivable," Allard notes, "but they are a long way from being mistaken for an organization capable of terrorizing the eastern division much less the Middle East. It's tough being a Nats fan. Home or away."

September 14, 2009 4:11 PM"


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Ok, you wrote, "TSA Mistakes Washington Nationals Hat for Terrorist Message," and then said this happened in Israel.

Huh? How is this TSA? Can you please explain.

September 15, 2009 10:10 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Does TSA serve at San Juan PR?

September 15, 2009 11:24 AM

 
Anonymous Robert Johnson said...

Quote from Anonymous: "Your argument is wrong, as are most of those who compare the security standards of the U.S. to most of the world.

To consider only security is to only look at a part of the whole. You HAVE to consider how nations feel about and deal with and accept/ not accept terrorism.

In general, terrorism is relatively new to the U.S. That is a fact. It has a longer history in other nations, in particular, Europe. As such, their collective attitudes regarding terrorism and how to deal with it is different than that of the U.S.

To argue that the U.S. should have the same standards of security as the rest of the world is to actually argue that we should accept terrorism as a normal course of business, as much of the rest of the world has done. I believe this is pretty well documented by social scientist and political scientist, as a cursory reading of the topic will prove.

Personally, I do not think we should ever accept terrorism as a normal part of life, and I think our security standards should reflect that."


I think we can reasonably disagree on this one.

You make the argument that terrorism is relatively new to the US. That's true. That's what's allowed it to become a boogey man and to be abused.

Please tell me how terrorism is a regular part of life in the US. How many terrorism incidents have we have in the US since 9/11? How many have we had period? With the few incidents we've had, it's far from being a regular part of life in the US. Violent crime is much more a part of regular life in the US and a person is much more likely to experience that than they ever will a terrorist attack. So why don't people cower in fear of the more common and not the infinitesimal? Bigger boom maybe?

Adjusting security to the actual level of the threat (miniscule) isn't accepting terrorism as a regular part of life. It's looking at things realistically - something our government and a lot of people are incapable of doing.

"I am also reminded of the differences in European culture (from the trips I have personally made over there in various nations) that many here would find upsetting. Who wants to have armed military personal walking around our national monuments (Paris)? Who wants to have machine guns point at them as they cross the street (happened to me and friends in Ireland)? How many airports in European nations have armed military personal in them, not simply something like TSA and airport police? And the subways, can't tell you how many times I have seen para-military personal walking around with machine guns in those places."

You mean, like we had in our airports after 9/11? And the police doing random searches of people's bags on the NYC subway and on Amtrak? I don't want any of that stuff either, but it's naive to think that stuff doesn't happen here.

That's not including how DHS and TSA constantly remind us to be afraid of terrorists lurking behind every bush. Or Chertoff's "gut feelings." Or the terror color code of the day.

We live in a free society. That inherently has risks. I'm not saying we shouldn't take REASONABLE means to mitigate risk, but it will never be zero. And as long as we have bureaucrats practicing CYA, it will always be a zero sum game. And they'll never achieve it.

I don't think other nations would want a major incident at one of their international airports. I don't think they want planes falling out of the sky either, regardless of where they're going. Other nations accept the fact that, even with potential terror threats, that they are extremely rare events that don't warrant the kneejerk reactions to security that we've implemented.

To be continued ..

September 15, 2009 3:48 PM

 
Anonymous Robert Johnson said...

Part 2 - I really hate these 4k character limits.

"That is what it really comes down to, this argument about security. Its about a nations view on secuirty and terrorism and what is an what is not accepted.

Sure, policy can be argued, but it is faulty to compare the security at airports in the U.S. and the rest of the world without first comparing other social differences between the U.S. and other nations.

To do so is very naïve."


Remember, terrorism is a tactic, it's not a philosophy.

It's also important to remember where that "view" of terrorism comes from - from organizations and people that promote the fear and constantly remind people to be afraid. If you have a culture of fear, it's easy to propagate the policy, especially if those dictating the policy are also propagating the fear.

And as long as we have a populace that doesn't think and wants to be spoon fed, well, we get what we deserve unfortunately.

What's really sad is America used to be a brave and proud people. It's sad to see that terrorists have taken that from us.

The bottom line is that the threat from terrorism, while real, is also really small. The risks should be mitigated, no doubt. And you're right that as long as America has the current mindset, it's not going to change.

That still doesn't change why the policy should be different. The policy should match reality, and the government should be promoting reality and not fantasy.

Robert

September 15, 2009 3:49 PM

 
Anonymous Robert Johnson said...

Quote from Anonymous: "Does TSA serve at San Juan PR?"

SJU is a US airport manned by TSA. TSA has even focused stories on workers there, like the screeners getting engaged at the checkpoint. Don't have time to look up that link though.

Robert

September 15, 2009 3:51 PM

 
Anonymous Sandra said...

Anonymous wrote:

"Its about a nations view on secuirty and terrorism and what is an what is not accepted."

We as a nation, however, have not been asked what level of security we wish to have. It has been jammed down our throats.

September 15, 2009 4:05 PM

 
Anonymous abelard said...

Marcus Hill wrote:

I for one will put up with ANY such "inconvenience" when it comes to the lives of my family.

Thank goodness this sentiment was not the prevailing attitude during the Second Continental Congress or we would still be British subjects.

September 16, 2009 2:45 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
"I for one will put up with ANY such "inconvenience" when it comes to the lives of my family."

You would? So you'd let TSA strip-search your minor children? You'd let TSA perform cavity searches?

What's that you say? Those measures would be outsize to the reality of threats to aviation?

I've got news for you, TSA passed that point YEARS ago.

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You've got a point. I don't see why TSA doesn't do full strip and body cavity searches, like you might get in maximum security prisons. I mean, the American public seems to think that this is common practice. At this point, it certainly wouldn't harm their image. You're proof in the pudding, so to speak.

September 16, 2009 5:53 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes, TSA operates out of Luis Munoz Marin International Airport, which is just south of San Juan.

I have met and trained with some agency employees currently operating out of that airport.

September 17, 2009 12:56 AM

 
Anonymous TSOG said...

After 86 years of commercial airliner bombings (roughly 80 bombings), and 36 years of airport security, my opinion is - that without airport security, there would be zero commercial flights. If there were any flights, they would be very expensive, catering to the wealthy only, the airlines would have their own form of private security (probably some paramilitary group) that would be given free reign to pry into your personal lives, making TSA look like a puppy post.
I understand we as citizens want to make sure our rights aren't violated, but I think - with many people who post on this blog - you can never win. There are never any solutions offered, only gripes.

To the other people who participate or read here, who genuinely just want good information, check some of these out.

http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/planes/q0283.shtml

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_Am_Flight_103

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6hdz_OgFlY

Remember 9/11 but also remember Pan Am Flight 103, Air India Flight 182, United Airlines Flight 629, and on and on.

Air travel is a priviledge - thanks to the Wright brothers - but over the years, it's been abused by a full range of monsters who understand what a soft target planes were. Enter airport security, which was almost purely reactionary up until TSA took over and now, TSA is all about proactive security. The difference is that instead of waiting for something to happen, it will instead be prevented which also encompasses past threats. I fully believe that if we had the security that we have today on 9/11/01, that horrible day never would have happened like that. None of it.

For all you naysayers out there, all of you "what-ifers," all of the "security theater" accusers - that is what TSA does. From the viewpoint of a passenger, I understand some things don't make sense - and some things just flat out don't always work for passsengers, and of course there are some problems - but I think you should all know that TSAs main goal is to protect the skies.

Of course, when threats are prevented, no one knows what didn't happen - and that's just the way things go.

September 17, 2009 10:00 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Everyone want security....but not for them because."I am not a terrorist"

September 17, 2009 2:26 PM

 
Blogger RB said...

TSOG said...
After 86 years of commercial airliner bombings (roughly 80 bombings), and 36 years of airport security, my opinion is - that without airport security, there would be zero commercial flights.
.......

Enter airport security, which was almost purely reactionary up until TSA took over and now, TSA is all about proactive security. The difference is that instead of waiting for something to happen, it will instead be prevented which also encompasses past threats.
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For all you naysayers out there, all of you "what-ifers," all of the "security theater" accusers - that is what TSA does. From the viewpoint of a passenger, I understand some things don't make sense - and some things just flat out don't always work for passsengers, and of course there are some problems - but I think you should all know that TSAs main goal is to protect the skies.

Of course, when threats are prevented, no one knows what didn't happen - and that's just the way things go.

September 17, 2009 10:00 AM

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You may be perfectly right, however please explain to me how TSA is being proactive when a group of people can introduce whole suitcases full of a certain powder, create checked baggage tags and have those same suitcases loaded on an airplane without TSA being aware of the action?

Or how those suitcases can fly on an airplane without a corresponding passenger?

My idea of security is certainly different than yours.

So lets talk about this proactive stuff again!

September 17, 2009 4:31 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I think - with many people who post on this blog - you can never win. There are never any solutions offered, only gripes."

This is rank nonsense, an absolute lie trotted out by TSA apologists who are incapable of honest debate. Shame on you for saying it, and shame on Blogger Bob for allowing your comment to be posted.

It is not a "gripe" to question TSA's desire to take naked pictures of passengers, including minor children.

It is not a "gripe" to criticize a mandatory shoe carnival that does nothing to make anyone safer.

It is not a "gripe" to ask for independent scientific research to support the 3.4-1-1 policy.

It is not a "gripe" to want airport screeners to treat citizens with respect and decency, rather than abuse and arrogance.

September 17, 2009 4:48 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sandra said...

"Anonymous wrote:

"Its about a nations view on secuirty and terrorism and what is an what is not accepted."

We as a nation, however, have not been asked what level of security we wish to have. It has been jammed down our throats."

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Yes we have, you just don't agree with it. I do. And I am not just saying this because I am an employee of TSA; I thought and still think this way, which is why I sought out employment at TSA. Am I not a citizen of this nation?

In a democracy you do not always get what you want. In fact, you can live in a democracy and never get what you want.

We have decided what our security policies will be by electing our politicians, whether you like it or not.

I can think off hand of no time when the American public had a direct vote on the policies of a government agency. If there is one, it is very, very far and few between, and is very much outside the normal practices of our nation.

September 17, 2009 4:51 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Robert Johnson said...

(edited becasue of size, sorry. I will respond bit by bit)

Please tell me how terrorism is a regular part of life in the US. How many terrorism incidents have we have in the US since 9/11? How many have we had period? With the few incidents we've had, it's far from being a regular part of life in the US. Violent crime is much more a part of regular life in the US and a person is much more likely to experience that than they ever will a terrorist attack. So why don't people cower in fear of the more common and not the infinitesimal? Bigger boom maybe?

Adjusting security to the actual level of the threat (miniscule) isn't accepting terrorism as a regular part of life. It's looking at things realistically - something our government and a lot of people are incapable of doing."

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Terrorism is not a regular part of our culture, I never made that claim. But You left out much. You started with 9/11. It goes back further than that. Off hand I can think of 2 major events, and several minor events that happened in less than a decade before 9/11 on our soil. I can think of many more times where terrorist specifically targeted U.S. targets overseas, whether it be ships, building, or people.

To leave that out of the discussion is to not look at a wider picture.

The fact that terrorist events happened every few years to Americans whether they be on American soil or not to me is an indication of a growing problem, and I believe that U.S. policy simply grew to reflect such circumstances.

So what we are really talking about is the level of what our security should be, and that, of course, is up to debate.

I think it could well be argued that terrorist activities against the U.S., and on our soil in particular, was a growing tred over decade before 9/11, and I find it telling no such events have happened since as our policies on security have prevent such acts from taking place.

But again, this is about culture, and as it relates to the European culture toward terrorism, it is more accept as a part of life there, which I sincerely hope never happens here.

To consider and compare U.S. security policy to that of European security policy is not an accurate comparison.

September 17, 2009 5:02 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Robert Johnson said....

(again, edited)

"That is what it really comes down to, this argument about security. Its about a nations view on secuirty and terrorism and what is an what is not accepted.

Sure, policy can be argued, but it is faulty to compare the security at airports in the U.S. and the rest of the world without first comparing other social differences between the U.S. and other nations.

To do so is very naïve."

Remember, terrorism is a tactic, it's not a philosophy."


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I completely disagree. Terrorism is a tactic, but it has also become a "way of life", a philosophy.

A casual study of the subject should reveal this.

When you have a people who dream of committing terrorist activities as when they get older, whether or not they are "brained-washed", it is no longer a tactic, but a philosophy.

Sure it is a tactic for those who do the brain-washing, but it is a belief system for those who carry out suicide attacks.

September 17, 2009 5:07 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Robert Johnson said...


"What's really sad is America used to be a brave and proud people. It's sad to see that terrorists have taken that from us."

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I am not sure they have taken it from us.

What I am sure of is that once terrorist decided hitting us overseas was not effective enough, and decided to bring it to our home, something had to change. The U.S. could not have gone as it had before. That much is certain.

Are we on the right path? I belive so, but only time will tell.


thats its for now, will respond to more later.

September 17, 2009 5:12 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dear Sandra,
What level of security would you like to have when traveling by air? You answer that and I will give you every single example of how to bypass "your" checkpoint. Would you require TSO's to apologize for inconviencing all who walk through the WTMD? You seem like the type that would demand such protocol...

September 17, 2009 6:33 PM

 
Anonymous TSO Bill said...

RB said:

"You may be perfectly right, however please explain to me how TSA is being proactive when a group of people can introduce whole suitcases full of a certain powder, create checked baggage tags and have those same suitcases loaded on an airplane without TSA being aware of the action?

Or how those suitcases can fly on an airplane without a corresponding passenger?

My idea of security is certainly different than yours.

So lets talk about this proactive stuff again!"

Checked baggage doesn't have to be matched to a passenger if every bag is screened for explosives. If the "certain powder" you are referring to is not an explosive there is no reason for us to go into the bag to check it. That would be going beyond the scope of our limited administrative seach authority.

Your mention of powder actually brings to mind one way TSA is being proactive. TSA recently deployed powder testing kits to test for explosive powders and components despite there not being a specific threat (such as after the liquid plot). This is just one way TSA is evolving to stay one step ahead.

Best Regards,
Bill

September 18, 2009 2:37 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

TSOG-

I'm not quite sure how that makes sense. Airport security was brought in after the spate of bombings (not by terrorists, but mostly by people who were suicidal and trying to cash in on life insurance) and planes being hijacked to Cuba back in the 1950s and 1960s. The security was private. It was not done by paramilitary groups. For the most part, it was measured, and it was reasonable.

We had perfectly resaonable and good security on 9/10/01. Before that, the last bombing of a plane that departed from a US airport was in 1962, I believe.

So, tell me. What has TSA done to stop this spate of bombings you seemingly claim (even though there hadn't been one for nearly 4 decades when the TSA came into play) that the previous, private security didn't have?

Finally, again. What has TSA done that would've prevented 9/11? There are 3 things that have happened since that would have prevented it -- none of it came from the TSA. The ban on boxcutters preceded the start of the TSA (and really, it's mostly symbolic). The other two things -- hardened cockpit doors (and the rules on opening them) and passenger reaction to hijackings (which went from "submit" to "resist") have zero to do with the TSA.

September 18, 2009 8:19 AM

 
Anonymous Sarah said...

This post does well at reminding us that people who were scarred and left traumatised by the incident have had to move on but are still haunted by what they saw or those they lost. We should remember them.

September 18, 2009 9:00 AM

 
Blogger carp said...

> Thank goodness this sentiment was not
> the prevailing attitude during the
> Second Continental Congress or we would
> still be British subjects.

Given that the majority of the people I know, would not be allowed to vote under the system created by said congress, I am not sure that I care.

I don't mean blacks whose descendants were slaves either. I mean white men who don't own land, and women.

Actually, I am not sure that I even own enough land to have been a voter at the time.

The founding fathers had some good ideas, but ideas that needed a lot of work and still are not quite working well. However, there is no reason to look at them through rose colored glasses.

-Steve

September 18, 2009 2:15 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I want you all to imagine what it would be like to be on a hijacked plane with a group of highly trained terrorists who are willing to die for their beliefs. If you all knew that your plane was going to come under attack and you was not going to make it home to your family I would think that the extra search of every passenger at the checkpoint would be well worth it.Remember the terrorists are very patient and waiting for us to drop our guard.Never get caught with your guard down in that situation.The day you do might be your last.

September 18, 2009 2:55 PM

 
Blogger Dunstan said...

Anonymous said...

"I want you all to imagine what it would be like to be on a hijacked plane with a group of highly trained terrorists who are willing to die for their beliefs. If you all knew that your plane was going to come under attack and you was not going to make it home to your family I would think that the extra search of every passenger at the checkpoint would be well worth it.Remember the terrorists are very patient and waiting for us to drop our guard.Never get caught with your guard down in that situation.The day you do might be your last."

If the terrorists show up in large numbers with weapons, then there is going to be violence and force used anyway. The gatekeepers will just be the first victims. Think of TSA not as a line od defense in this case, but as cannon fodder. It really is up to the intelligence community to find terrorists- what could a TSO do if a group of heavily armed terrorists show up- take away their water?, wand their guns? Call a LEO? Too little, too late.. There would be a lot of mayhem, a lot of confusion, and a lot of cleanup. And a lot of hand wringing.

September 19, 2009 8:37 AM

 
Blogger RB said...

Best Regards,
Bill

September 18, 2009 2:37 AM

...................
Bill, do you keep up with current events or the news?

I was pointing at an event that should make TSA sit up and pay attention.

Airline employees at Puerto Rico introduced bags full of drugs into the baggage steam.

Printed out baggage claim tickets and had these bags loaded on aircraft bound for Miami.

They went around TSA from reports I have read.

The issue is that TSA does not screen all people or all items that enter the secure areas of airports.

Contraband has in fact been introduced into the secure area at this airport.

There is no reason to doubt that one of those cases could have contained a weapon.

Until TSA screens everyone and everthing to the same standard then there is no security.

Just that simple Bill.

September 19, 2009 9:06 AM

 
Anonymous abelard said...

The founding fathers had some good ideas, but ideas that needed a lot of work and still are not quite working well. However, there is no reason to look at them through rose colored glasses.

Of course the country needed work and still needs work. Even the Founding Fathers knew that themselves. That is why the Constitution is fluid and can be amended.

But your concerns don't change the fact that had the sentiment of putting up with "inconveniences" for fear of one's own life or family means that Virginia's resolution on independence never would have seen the light of day.

September 19, 2009 1:12 PM

 
Blogger Jim Huggins said...

Anonymous writes:

If you all knew that your plane was going to come under attack and you was not going to make it home to your family I would think that the extra search of every passenger at the checkpoint would be well worth it.

Actually, if I knew that my plane was going to come under attack, I wouldn't get on it in the first place ...

The question that many here are asking is whether the money being spent on passenger searches at the checkpoint is the best use of that money in pursuit of security. Does it make sense to make passengers jump through more and more hoops in order to entire the concourse of an airport, when there are any number of other, simpler ways to circumvent TSA security procedures? Maybe; maybe not. It's not an "all or nothing" question.

September 19, 2009 5:56 PM

 

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