Don't Ask' remains in effect as Gates, Mullen tackle plan

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Don't Ask' remains in effect as Gates, Mullen tackle plan

Posted 12/18/2010

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by Donna Miles
American Forces Press Service

12/18/2010 - WASHINGTON (AFNS) -- Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates and Navy Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, welcomed the Senate's vote Dec. 18 to repeal the so-called "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" law, while emphasizing that the current law and policy will remain in effect until they and President Barack Obama certify the plan to implement it.

"Once this legislation is signed into law by the president, the Department of Defense will immediately proceed with the planning necessary to carry out this change carefully and methodically, but purposefully," Secretary Gates said.

The legislation specifies that the repeal will take effect only after Secretary Gates, Admiral Mullen and President Obama certify that new policies and regulations to implement it are "consistent with the standards of military readiness, military effectiveness, unit cohesion and retention of the armed forces," the secretary noted.

"As I have stated before, I will approach this process deliberately and will make such certification only after careful consultation with the military service chiefs and our combatant commanders and when I am satisfied that those conditions have been met for all the services, commands and units," he said.

Admiral Mullen said he looks forward to working with Secretary Gates and the service chiefs and said he's "committed to making sure that process is well-led, maintains our combat readiness and upholds our high standards."

In the meantime, Secretary Gates said it's important that the men and women in uniform understand that, although today's vote means the policy will change, the implementation and certification process will take time. "In the meantime, the current law and policy will remain in effect," he said.

"Successful implementation will depend upon strong leadership, a clear message and proactive education throughout the force," he said. "With a continued and sustained commitment to core values of leadership, professionalism and respect for all, I am convinced that the U.S. military can successfully accommodate and implement this change, as it has others in history."

Admiral Mullen welcomed legislative over judicial repeal of the law, noting that it "preserves the military's prerogative to implement change in a responsible, deliberate manner."

He echoed President Obama's conviction that repealing the policy is "the right thing to do."

"No longer will able men and women who want to serve and sacrifice for their country have to sacrifice their integrity to do so," the chairman said. "We will be a better military as a result."

Comments

12/23/2010 11:32:12 AM ET
I read about a TSgt with 14 years of service that is getting out because of the DADT repeal. That's like getting rid of a car because the ashtray is full. Ridiculous.

TSI, SP

12/22/2010 6:12:25 PM ET
I am personally against the repeal of DADT and homosexuality in general. However in my career I've lived by a policy that has served me well in many scenarios over the years. Adapt and overcome to complete the mission. I'll just have to apply it to this. As long as the gays do their job and don't hinder the mission I won't have a problem.

SSgt CT F, DM AFB AZ

12/22/2010 1:04:57 PM ET
Today's repeal of DADT is a great day for America for civil rights and for our Armed Forces. No longer will recruits be denied the privelege of serving their country because of their sexual orientation, no longer will they face discharge based on their orientation, no longer will they be forced to lie about who they are. For those who find their religious or moral sensibilities offended I would hope that you joined to serve ALL Americans - not only those who share your same ideologies or orientation. At its very least,there is no logical reason why our allies can have such a policy and we cannot. Are we the greatest country on earth when it comes to freedom or are we just paying lip-service to the concept. My wife and I welcome this change and look forward to our continued progress as a nation.

MSgt, Peterson AFB

12/22/2010 12:24:07 PM ET
If anyone in the military really thinks that this is going to change anything more than having to take a sensitivity training course they are sadly mistaken. Orgies in the Dorms. Polygamy. Come on guys. These things happen already. Why do you thing we have so many problems in the co-ed dorms? And yes, you already work with supervise and are supervised by homosexuals. This bigotry and hate speech on here is repulsive. And as for sacrificing religious beliefs. That whole Thall Shalt Not Kill one is a pretty big one if I remember correctly. Do us all a favor and separate. If anything, this repeal has said loudly that your kind of hate is not welcome here anymore.

Peterbound, Colorado

12/22/2010 11:57:23 AM ET
The repeal is done and over with. All of the negative comments are detracting from the mission. Our mission is to obey the orders of those who are in authority whether we like it or not. Just because you work with someone who has CHOSEN the gay lifestyle doesn't mean you have to spend off duty time with them. Do your work interact with them as little as you need to and then go home. It's really not that hard to overlook heck we serve with people who have had DUI's Article 15's and other offenses. I think I can work with a gay person for 8 to 12 hours or more and still have my belief system in tact. The repeal is honeslty not that important we are fighting two wars possilby more in the future so let's give focus to what's on the horizon not a lifestyle choice that doesn't affect their ability do to their job.

Blake, USAF

12/22/2010 7:15:02 AM ET
The repeal is much more about pushing civil unions onto the 50 States than it is about supporting the homosexual war fighter.Homosexuals will become a protected class and this will reopen the affirmative action wounds from the 90's. Many countries that the military operates in consider homosexuality a capital offense. Can military commanders knowingly order openly homosexual members to those locations? How will transsexual policy be implemented after Ms. Lawless litigated against the LPGA and won? How will quotas for homosexuals be monitored and who will approve them? This is going to be a fiasco

TJN, Retired

12/22/2010 3:08:05 AM ET
To those who say the civilian side has many more protections for gaylesbians. You are right. They do. But also in the civilian sector you have freedom of speech to speak back at your employer, you have freedom of assembly to join unions and strike if you don't like a company's policy. We in the military don't have the same freedoms as civilians do. That's something that we all knew before signing that magic dotted line.On a side note I wholeheartedly agree with Martin from Moutain Home. I think the lifestyle is morally reprehensible, but I in no way feel the same about the individuals. We all have our issues. Hate the sin not the sinner.

Dubya, RAFL

12/22/2010 2:56:14 AM ET
For those of you who disagree with this policy you are not being forced to stay. If your philosophical or religious beliefs outweigh the oath you took, then at the end of your enlistment service commitment get out its that simple. Don't wait for retirement, don't look for an early retirement option, just use the nearest exit.

Robb, Ramstein

12/22/2010 1:14:52 AM ET
For those of you that think the DOD has to find a way to accommodate your objection to the repeal you are exercising wishful thinking. We work for the people and more specifically for the representatives of the people. They clearly want this to happen. If you don't like it you can get out and go work for a company that in all likelihood employs people that identify themselves as gay. Yes even the most macho jobs out there including police and firefighters. Get with the program or get out at your earliest convenience provided you have paid your commitment back. Until then salute smartly and bite your tongue. This sounds like the 1950s all over again and I am surprised and ashamed at some of the ignorance being spewed on this forum.

Major, Texas

12/21/2010 6:30:05 PM ET
DADT is being blown out of proportion as far as what it actually is in place for. DADT is not going to negate UCMJ sodomy laws. It is to protect gays from senior leadership's reprisal performance rating deflation friendly fire and numerous other including subtle acts that are still going on with Blacks and women 60 plus years later.

Fair Consistent SNCO, Worldwide

12/21/2010 5:32:42 PM ET
Seriously this is about positive progress and putting to bed a discriminatory policy that has forced thousands of honorable Americans to sacrifice their integrity our greatest Core Value. Drop your retirement papers or separate. I don't want to work with bigots and narrow-minded people who call themselves respectable NCOSs and SNCOs. The AF certainly doesn't either. Discrimination has no place in my world. We need warriors and people who care about one another regardless of their sexual orientation.

SSgt, MacDill AFB

12/21/2010 4:14:08 PM ET
For those of you attacking those who are expressing their opinion, let me repeat that OPINION on the DADT repeal should someone abandoned their life-long moral compass and religious beliefs just because the 111th Congress passed this repeal? Why are you attacking those who are standing up for what they believe in? I bet if a devout Muslim group in the military spoke out against DADT they would get more traction than your every day SNCO. Regardless of how you feel about DADT passing, it doesn't mean those who are against homosexuality or the concept of DADT as per their religion or other reasons are wrong these are strongly-held beliefs that you shouldnt attack them on. Because maybe in the end you yourself have no believes or moral compass. Just sayin

TacAirlifter, Colorado

12/21/2010 3:39:54 PM ET
I am neutral on the subject we as SNCO's must follow the orders of those appointed over us. One thing I have a problem with is how the minority of groups can decide what the majority is going to do. I think I am going to start the allow men to have beards and goatee campaign to see if I can take that law to congress and get it repelled any guys with me

G-Man, San Antonio

12/21/2010 2:58:37 PM ET
Are the homosexuals going to wear rainbow patches on their uniforms?

Boy George, Edwards

12/21/2010 2:18:39 PM ET
So shall we now abandon the UCMJ and follow civil law

MSgt Z, Hurby

12/21/2010 1:53:35 PM ET
To all of you claiming to drop your retirement paperwork because of this all I can say is that we'll be better off for two reasons rather than just the repeal of the law. If the idea of coming home from a deployment with your unit and seeing a coworker hug his partner instead of his wife is so repulsive to you we're better off without you. Six years ago at PME before this was attracting as much attention as it is now we had a Canadian SNCO come in as a guest speaker and one of the topics he addressed was when they changed their laws to allow homosexuals to serve openly. In short it drove out the fringe anti-gay element but was otherwise transparent. I would have expected the same even if I hadn't heard it from someone who had seen it happen but we're not the first country to go through this and experience has shown it's not the traumatic event some are making it out to be.As for all the morality comments, nobody is going to take away your beliefs.

Capt, Nellis

12/21/2010 12:21:04 PM ET
I have moral objections based upon religious beliefs against homosexuality. I openly admit that. I will also openly admit to accepting this change and introduction of those with said sexual orientations into the armed forces. It isn't my call to say yea or nay. It's my job to accept the decision that was made and continue to be professional. I'm morally against the practice but not morally against the people. I know too many good men and women who identify with gay and lesbianism to consider them to be anything less than people with value.

Martin, Mountain Home

12/21/2010 12:18:22 PM ET
They have the voluntary separation for fiscal 2011. Maybe you should consider because as I'm sure most of you are supervisors. I feel for the future leaders that you are mentoring.

Col Simms, Ut

12/21/2010 12:00:42 PM ET
Your service comes before your beliefs. Core Values So it doesn't matter what you think is the right or wrong decision here - to all the truly disgusted airmen. Whatever the AF deems best for the force is what matters. On the other hand when I served on active duty I know from being in my shop we used to say a lot of crude things to each other. A lot of joking and name calling. A typical telecom shop in my experience. That is the real problem with this repeal and why it's so difficult to overturn.

Brian - AFSeparated , NJ

12/21/2010 11:43:23 AM ET
You will be assimilated. A slap in the face to every servicemember who has a moral objection to homosexuality. DADT worked, why abandon it? Now some good senior NCOs are gonna drop retirement paperwork as opposed to being force fed this politically correct tripe. Nice job USAF!

Mike, Florida

12/21/2010 11:36:35 AM ET
Hey MM, Integrity First is a core value that requires those against the gay agenda to stand up for what they believe, not to cave to the social experiment of the day. Your implied "shut up and color" tone is offensive.

SM, NM

12/21/2010 11:32:44 AM ET
Since when do military get to choose which laws from our President and subsequent leaders it must enforce? Each one of my fellow NCOs knows this, as it's our JOB as an NCO to enforce and support those laws rules and regulations. It will take an adjustment in attitude but it all starts with YOU! Simply put, get on board or get out.

NCO, Texas

12/21/2010 11:28:32 AM ET
I hope that Secretary Gates and Adm Mullen consider what they are going to do with those who morally object to this. Please consider an early retirement option. I'm not quite retirement eligible but if I were I would be dropping my paper work

StraightMale, Kirtland

12/21/2010 10:40:30 AM ET
Everyone in and outside the military knew this day was coming. Now is not the time to decide what you are going to do. You should have already decided if you are going to salute smartly and press on or decide you cannot do so and leave the military. No other choices are honorable options. If you choose to stay you MUST back the law of the land 100 percent. Also realize this will end up recognizing gay marriage in housing and may other situations. Everyone must decide for themselves to go or stay. If you stay you cannot try to undermine or in any way impede the implementation of the law. For those that view this as something they cannot support on religious or moral grounds they must decide for themselves to go or stay. But if it is stay they must not fight the change. For those who go it is with great sorrow we see you leave.

Jerry, Oklahoma

12/21/2010 10:34:50 AM ET
First just because you don't agree with the study results doesn't mean they are flawed. EVERYONE had a chance to provide input via the inbox that was up for several months even if you weren't selected to participate in the survey. Second MEO only acknowledges and accepts people's differing religious beliefs sexual preference lifestyle choices etc. provided they aren't in violation of the law. Your mistaking tolerance for validation. Third Service Before Self - I think that is pretty self explanatory but just in case it means that your personal feelings are ALWAYS second to the service. If you can't live up to that core value then you most certainly should get out. And fourth let's not go overboard here - polygamy and prostitution is still against the law being gay or lesbian isn't and NEVER has been. Service members were only banned from openly admitting they were gay or lesbian and participating in homosexual acts not from being gay or lesian.

G.I. Tain, McChord AFB

12/21/2010 10:15:17 AM ET
Dubya here you go Under rules prescribed by the Secretary of the Military Department concerned military commanders should consider the following factors along with any other factors deemed appropriate in determining whether to grant a request for accommodation of religious practices addressed in section C. above a. The importance of military requirements in terms of individual and unit readiness health and safety discipline morale and cohesion b. The religious importance of the accommodation to the requester c. The cumulative impact of repeated accommodations of a similar nature d. Alternative means available to meet the requested accommodation e. Previous treatment of the same or similar requests including treatment of similar requests made for other than religious reasons.

Analyst, Barksdale

12/21/2010 10:10:46 AM ET
I can't wait to see how DoD is going to make this work. I personally have no problem with gaylesbian members serving in the military. However I don't think anything...infrastructure living arrangements...etc. need to be changed to accommodate these members. Because not every state allows gay marriage then the military must side on not allowing it period. So no base housing allowed. I wonder how the President SecDef CJCS and other senior leaders will feel the first time gay members show up at a formal function with their partner. Just wondering.

SMSgt ret, Florida

12/21/2010 10:08:43 AM ET
Sandman, this repeal only addresses allowing consenting adults to have sex with whom they please, it does not allow prostitution or polygamy. Paying for sex and having multiple spouses is still illegal.

Analyst, Barksdale

12/21/2010 10:06:05 AM ET
MSgt at Nellis, surveys work by only asking a few people to get a representative sample of the entire population. I am interested in why you think the survey is flawed. However, it is irrelevant because the repeal is happening. It is now our job to salute smartly and make it happen.

Analyst, Barksdale

12/21/2010 9:52:56 AM ET
To all those dropping paperwork you know that there are homosexuals in the civilian world too don't you? And civilians have fewer restrictions placed on their behavior than those in the military. While I do partially understand concerns about deployed living you understand that you have served with bunked with eaten with and yes even showered with homosexuals at some point in your life. Just some things to ponder...

KR, Sheppard

12/21/2010 9:47:53 AM ET
So glad I'm retired

Ret MSgt, DC

12/21/2010 9:33:50 AM ET
A lot of angry people here...most of it seems to be morality based. Does anyone else find it just a little funny that we work in an organization that kills people but they have no moral objection to that? Go look at pictures of what happens when we put a fuel air bomb on top of group of people or hit them with 5.56 in the head...maybe that's ok. Seems to me that all these people are picking and choosing what to follow in their religion. I don't remember you shall not be gay in the Ten Commandments. Pretty sure there is a commandment on killing though.

MSgt, Reality

12/21/2010 8:43:28 AM ET
This will most certainly result in special rights for homosexuals. Homosexuals will be granted unfettered access to the very gender to which they are sexually attracted. To do anything else would make them separate but equal which would be discrimination. Yet we will never consider forcing heterosexuals into mixed gender intimate situations and for good reason. Privacy rights will absolutely go out the window for heterosexuals especially for our youngest troops who won't have the ability to say no I won't shower with himher in the face of orders or unit peer pressure.

Maj, Barksdale

12/21/2010 4:15:55 AM ET
I think this is a massive step forward for equal rights. I myself am not but know co workers who are. African Americans and Women who wanted to join the Armed Forces felt the same backlash. We need to be progressive and not regressive. How can so many of our Allies successfully implement this policy yet we can't? This Country is built on being the melting pot where all walks of life can come and seek the American Dream.

SSgt, Hickam HI

12/21/2010 2:24:50 AM ET
From the comments here, it looks like the repeal of DADT is chasing many ignorant people out of the Air Force. By all means gentlemen, file your retirement paperwork. I will be very happy not to have to deal with your close-minded idiocracy in my chain of command. Sad to see how many of our SNCO mentors are nothing more than petty hate-mongers on the inside.

Mike, Misawa AB JP

12/21/2010 2:24:11 AM ET
I think what most of you are forgetting is that we are already serving with homosexuals and have been for a long time. I don't agree with this behavior but it is not any of our place to tell people who they can and can't sleep with. This policy shouldn't change the way the military is run it is just allowing people to be public with their feelings. Any of you getting out just because of this policy change aren't focusing on what is important so chances are you won't be missed.

Paul, Germany

12/21/2010 12:07:28 AM ET
While everyone is talking about what's to come what about talking about what is already going on. We have all served with people thought to be homosexual or suspected of it. Whatever my religous beliefs the people I have served with served with honor and distinction. And if it bothers so many people who now wish to wear their hearts on their sleeves maybe you should retire. We serve because we are here to serve ALL not just the ones who believe as we do. When you sign that contract you give up your freedoms to protect all not the ones you like.

Retired, Guam

12/20/2010 11:00:30 PM ET
Here's an angle that hasn't been discussed. Will this become Do ask and do tell now? DoD will need to know who is gay to develop stats on promotion rates etc as they do now for minorities. This to ensure gays are treated fairly. So will the personnel system have a new data field for sexual preference And I just can't wait for Gay History Month and good luck to those Commanders with troops in the dorms.

SomeGuy, Tinker AFB

12/20/2010 10:33:24 PM ET
Seriously..how many old narrow-minded people do we have in the Air Force Judging by the previous comments..looks to be quite a few. DADT is discriminatory in nature and needed to go..a long time ago. People willing to serve should not be excluded because of their sexual orientation an orientation that they were born with. All of these people that want to separate I say go for it. Leave the Air Force to people who give a about one another regardless of who they are. I'll go to war with anyone as long as they exemplify and strive to live by the AF Core Values. For those not in that category..get off the boat the AF doesn't need you regardless of sexual orientation.

SSgt, MacDill AFB

12/20/2010 10:27:58 PM ET
MM from Fl The MSgt IS doing his job--upholding a moral standard. Just a reminder Adm Mullins ADMITTED knowing about homosexual members but did not report them. It's good to know we can pick and choose what rules to follow. When do the dorm sex parties begin NOTE Once the Senate vote was completed Sen Reid received messages not from great military leaders or world-renowned experts but Lady Gaga...disgusting.

Sandman, Maxwell

12/20/2010 9:36:31 PM ET
It appears more good will come of this than we expected: the exodus of bigoted military members. By all means, do us favor and move on so we can build a force that actually lives the core values. Please take your hatred and ideology with you so we can build a moral force and a stronger team.

check, Y2K

12/20/2010 9:15:07 PM ET
By the way, if offering to retire is your way of dealing with progressive change in your military please carry through with your threat and actually do it. Don't just say you intend to or hope you have the option. You do have the option to become a conscientious objector or something. You don't have to serve with homosexuals but guess what? You already are. But put your money where your mouth is and actually do it.

DJ, LV

12/20/2010 9:04:22 PM ET
To the all the folks stating you're dropping retirement papers---I applaud you. Lead, follow or get out the way. Either you forgot or choose to ignore the OATH you took when you joined...the one talking about following the orders of the President of the United States and the officers appointed over you. Or perhaps you also forgot what the Enlisted Force Structure tasks each senior non-commissioned officer with carrying out. Your archaic views are not consistent with where we are going as a military. I applaud you for your devoted service to our nation and wish you the best in the civilian sector.

TSgt, Nellis AFB

12/20/2010 8:58:01 PM ET
I agree with Dubya regarding religious beliefs and the morality of homosexuality. I see this as a foot in the door. Next comes the recognition of gay marriage because that will now be seen as discriminatory if same-sex partners are not afforded the same benefits. They can now openly fight and die for their country but they can't get married, will be their cry. And then what will come of religious beliefs and leaders once gays and lesbians become a protected class. Christians will then be seen as bigots because they preach the morality from the Bible. Will the Bible now be hate speech? This is going to open Pandora's Box. Please stop using the military as a pawn for your agenda.

Capt T, FL

12/20/2010 8:55:08 PM ET
To those of you who say you have dropped your paperwork to retire: that company you go to work for will probably have better rights for gays and lesbians than the military will. I have always said you have to be flexible to serve and if you aren't, its time to go. I have been hoping for this rule to change since the 90's. Finally.

SMSgt , Langley

12/20/2010 7:24:54 PM ET
It is really sad to see fellow service members acting like this. Do you not realize that you work with homosexuals right now? The difference is before they had to hide it. Remember back when integration happened with the Blacks? People were morally opposed to it then too but guess what we have become stronger. DADT while it was better than not allowing at all is a form of discrimination and we are not allowed to do that. I hope they do allow a retirement option so that way I don't have to work with people like you. I am straight but I support Gay Rights, they are human too.

Matt, Georgia

12/20/2010 7:02:43 PM ET
I also hope they offer an early-out option for the folks who don't agree with the repeal. I don't want to have to work with the homophobes anymore and this is a perfect time to let them out.

Tony, Keesler

12/20/2010 6:48:58 PM ET
To all of these so-called SNCOs who want to retire because of this repeal. I say go right ahead. If you are so selfish and bigoted that you can't get over your prejudice then you have no place in the USAF.

Capt. Nick, DMAFB

12/20/2010 6:28:17 PM ET
Gays in the military? Next thing you know women will be allowed to vote.

TSgt No Judgement, Tyndall

12/20/2010 5:25:01 PM ET
I hope they let you all get out also. Your collective bigotry hatred homophobia and horribly misinformed opinions have no place in my Air Force ...

Sergeant Buzz, Fairchild

12/20/2010 5:07:36 PM ET
Agree or disagree, it's realty, so let me remind you all of the the oath we all swore to uphold ... I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the officers appointed over me in accordance with regulations and the uniform code of military justice. The UCMJ has very clear articles on what happens when we don't.

Commander, NC

12/20/2010 4:56:07 PM ET
Being gay or lesbian doesn't hurt the mission. However being ignorant and intolerant does. Your religious and moral beliefs should not impact your ability to do your job and if they do then by all means, PLEASE, get out. I'm sure the majority of the force, including me, does not want to work with you as much if not more than you don't want to work with gay and lesbian troops. Good luck getting a job in the real world, though, because corporate America is even more sensitive about sexual preference than the military. You may have heard of a little law that prohibits against discrimination based on sexual preference. Most major comporations tend to take this quite seriously, provide extensive sensitivity training, and have both health and life insurance provisions that allow coverage for the significant others of employees in a domestic gay-lesbian partnership. I know this because I work for one.

G. I. Tain, McChord AFB

12/20/2010 4:27:24 PM ET
I am really disappointed that DADT has been repealed. Our leadership openly supported repeal before the flawed study results were available. They say 70 percent support repeal when very few answered the survey. Can't imagine all the brainwash training that will be required. I will not play this game. Retirement Papers dropped

MSgt, Nellis

12/20/2010 4:26:37 PM ET
For those of you still on active duty and posting these negative comments please do leave at you first opportunityI'd personally prefer to work with any homosexual willing to do thier job take orders and serve this country than a straight bigot who can't won't do what our leadership tells us to. We don't make the rules we just have to follow them.

Z, Texas

12/20/2010 3:54:47 PM ET
@MSgt you seem to have forgetten something - namely the core values. You are putting yourself before the AF. As a fellow SNCO you shouldn't have to be told that. Do your job and lead by example.

MM, FL

12/20/2010 3:16:43 PM ET
I hope part of the plan will include a way for those of us who oppose this to get out. If I could drop retirement paperwork I would.

MSgt, Sheppard

12/20/2010 3:14:36 PM ET
Wonder how many sensitivity/compassion CBT's we will have to do for this

G, RAF Lakenheath

12/20/2010 8:57:51 AM ET
And so it begins...It will be very interesting to see how this all goes down.

J, Illinois

12/19/2010 10:48:09 PM ET
This is not going to make us any stronger, just weaken us from the inside out. Can't wait for a change in leadership that actually cares about us.

Jay, Kansas

12/19/2010 12:31:19 AM ET
I hope that Secretary Gates and Adm Mullen consider what they are going to do with those who morally object to this. Please consider an early retirement option. I'm not quite retirement eligible but if I were, I would be dropping my paper work

MSgt, Sheppard

12/18/2010 9:40:02 PM ET
Disgusting, simply disgusting. All sexual parameters are now called into question. Remember the DODs prohibition against service members seeing prostitutes...well is it OK now. What about the UCMJ's prohibition against sex in the presence of others--orgys...well is it now OK for us heterosexuals And what about those multiple partners...is polygamy now OK? Totally disgusting...where do I file my retirement paperwork?

Sandman, Maxwell

12/18/2010 6:13:13 PM ET
Adm Mullen said Successful implementation will depend upon... proactive education throughout the force. My question is Will members who disagree with this policy have to have their integrity sacrificed during this training? There seem to be a lot who RELIGIOUSLY believe homosexuality is wrong, what do their beliefs come second now

Dubya, RAFL

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