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Air Force officials release high year tenure details

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by Eric M. Grill

12/22/2011 - RANDOLPH AIR FORCE BASE, Texas (AFNS) -- Air Force officials announced Dec. 19, high year of tenure limit changes for the grades of senior airman, staff sergeant and technical sergeant that go into effect in 2013.

The changes are a part of additional force management programs that are ongoing to continue to size and shape the force to current and future requirements.

Most Airmen affected by the HYT changes will have two opportunities to test for the next higher grade before the change becomes effective.

High year of tenure limits for senior airman will be reduced from 10 years to eight years; staff sergeant 20 years to 15 years; and technical sergeant 22 years to 20 years.

The new HYT policy will impact slightly more than one-half of one percent of the enlisted force, or approximately 1,700 Airmen.

"These HYT changes are necessary to help us meet our end-strength," Chief Master Sgt. of the Air Force James A. Roy said. "We are a highly competitive force, and this will make us an even more competitive one."

This timeline provides Airmen time to prepare for promotion testing.

"Airmen control their careers. We are announcing it now so Airmen affected by the new HYT have ample time to study before their promotion tests," Roy said.

The Air Force last changed HYT in 2010 when the service went back to the pre-2003 HYT levels due to end-strength stabilization

"It is the supervisor's role to ensure Airmen are informed and a career path is laid-out - but it is incumbent on every Airman to strive to be the best and reach these milestones in a timely fashion," said Air Force Personnel Center Command Chief Ruben Gonzalez Jr.

Senior airmen and staff sergeants who separate because of HYT will receive involuntary separation pay. Technical sergeants may apply for full retirement if leaving active duty because of reaching their HYT just as they would under existing policy.

"We are committed to helping these Airmen and their families during their transition. Each will receive separation pay and many other benefits," Roy said.

Airmen separating will also receive 180 days of extended medical care for themselves and their family, a second opportunity to enroll in the Post-9/11 GI Bill, NAF hiring preference, permissive TDY for employment and relocation activities, two years of commissary and Exchange privileges among other benefits.

An Airman's total active federal military service date, or TAFMSD, will determine whether he or she is grandfathered under previous HYT limits or impacted by the new HYT limits.

As examples:

-- Senior airmen whose TAFMSD is Sept. 30, 2005, or earlier would separate under on their original HYT date, but no later than Sept. 29, 2013. If the senior airman's TAFMSD is after Sept. 30, 2013, then the Airman's HYT date would be adjusted to the new eight-year limit.

-- Staff Sergeants with a TAFMSD of Sept. 30, 1997 or earlier will retire no later than the 1st day of the month following their original HYT. Staff Sergeants with a TAFMSD of Oct. 1, 1997 through Sept. 30, 1998 must separate on Sept. 29, 2013. Staff Sergeants with a TAFMSD of Oct. 1, 1998 or later will have their HYT adjusted to the new 15-year HYT level.

-- Technical Sergeants who exceed the new HYT will be allowed to remain on active duty to their original HYT or Sept. 1, 2013, whichever is earlier. For example, technical sergeants with a TAFMSD of Aug. 31, 1993 or earlier will retire no later than the 1st day of the month following their original HYT, but no later than Sept. 1, 2013. Technical Sergeants with a TAFMSD of Sept. 1, 1993 or later will have their HYT established at the new 20-year HYT level.

Airmen can find their TAFMSD through the Air Force Personnel Services website at https://gum-crm.csd.disa.mil and receive additional counseling through their local Force Support Squadron or Military Personnel Section's Career Development section.

Airmen assigned overseas who do not have enough time to move to the continental United States will have their date eligible to return from overseas, or DEROS, involuntarily extended to match their new HYT and date of separation. Those whose DEROS exceeds the new HYT and DOS will have their DEROS curtailed to match the new HYT.

Airmen are also encouraged to verify their active duty service commitment for the Post-9/11 G.I. Bill transfer of benefits to family members' eligibility. Airmen who will have their HYT reduced and the reduction will not allow the Airman to complete the ADSC associated with the Post 9/11 GI Bill transfer of educational benefits option should contact their local education office. They may also visit the Air Force's Post-9/11 GI Bill web page at: http://www.afpc.af.mil/library/gibill/index.asp for additional information.

Extensions of HYT due to unusual or extraordinary circumstances are still applicable under existing guidelines. These include reasons such as extreme personal hardship or when an extension is clearly in the best interest of the Air Force.

"Air Force leadership is committed to taking the necessary steps to ensure the resiliency of our Airmen and families," Gonzalez said. "Our bases and local communities have resources available to alleviate financial and emotional stress."

Airmen can find more information about those programs through their unit first sergeant or at their local airman and family readiness centers, he said.

This change to policy will not affect Air Force Reserve or Air National Guard members.

For more information about high year of tenure limits or any other personnel related issue, visit the Air Force Personnel Services website at https://gum-crm.csd.disa.mil.



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8/13/2012 5:34:08 PM ET
This change in structure in TIG is a good one that expediates the ousting of unmotivated airmen. I know a 15 year staff that's using the Air Force so she can have babies. These people are not serious about a career and promotion. In a career you are supposed to learn your rank to the fullest then graduate until you have reached the acme of your career. If you they don't want that TSgt or MSgt slot i'm sure somebody else does. These days you have enlisted coming in with degrees and smart people who are going to excel in whatever they do. The Air Force needs people to serve in higher capacities. This is the reason why we train to excell and be promoted. How are you serving your country by mediocrity
Lu Manati, Luke AFB
 
7/27/2012 2:29:54 AM ET
To dangle retirement like a carrot in front of the donkeys nose for 15 years and then put you out the door because you didn't get promoted is pretty cold blooded. 15 years is a long time for someone to give and then find out it was in vain and for nothing. The AF is starting to sound more like the unstable civilian world of right to work. I was in a career field where only 3 out of 80 eligible were being promoted to SSGT. Glad I made it up the ranks and retired as MSGT. I thank God all the time for my Tri-Care and check each month. Looking at the Air Force now with all of what is going on I am glad to say I am happy to be out of and not part of my beloved Air Force anymore.
Jared, Fort Living room HOME
 
7/26/2012 12:15:04 PM ET
I am a 19 Yr. TSgt just came out of an 8 year special duty and can tell you that I am hoping that I make MSgt this next year. I missed it last year by 39 points this year by 6 points. Was going through a bad divorce so that is my own personal reasons for not doing so well. So... to put it in a nutshell I am approaching 19 years have a Masters Degree in Computer Information Systems Management and am hoping for the best. If I don't make MSgt this next time around then I will be forced to retire in Sep 2013. I just hope that I have something lined up for that worst case scenario. Would I rather stay in for an additional 5 or 6 years well yes but because of these new HYT changes unfortunately that may not happen. So even though you have heard this plenty of times from everyone else my only advise to anyone facing HYT is this... Tailor your resume to be competetive in your skill so you won't be living in a box or holding a sign on the side of the road begging for food and she
HYT TSgt, Whiteman AFB MO
 
6/30/2012 9:18:01 AM ET
I am a SSgt with a line number for TSgt due to pin on 1 Aug 2012 and my TAFMSD is 24 Nov 1992. How will this affect me
Brian Anderson, Langley AFB VA
 
3/18/2012 12:52:56 PM ET
I will agree with some of the below comments regarding our retirement. These politicians are just dying to screw us over at the first chance. I am tired of hearing leadership whine about the suicide rate and then do not a damn thing about people being thrown out at 15 years. You think suicide is high now, wait until they cut retirement out and fix it so you have to be 65 to collect. You think there is a high risk of people shooting up office buildings on base, wait until these cuts hit home and tens of thousands of soldiers loose our retirement....that should help the problem.
12 year TSgt, Nellis
 
2/29/2012 10:47:41 PM ET
So essentially the message here is that it's ok to screw E-5's out of their retirement That's not ok how much could you possibly save by doing this I'm just curious what the latest round of changes is doing to the veteran suicide rate you think it will help the 18 per day that it currently is For all of you that think it's ok - yours is coming. If they're this desparate then all of you who think you're safe with your pension are in for a rude surprise some day. You'd better open your eyes and stand up for what we still have left. You must not recall the BS the DOD panel and congress were contemplating with the other retirement changes. It's only a matter of time before they use your retirement to pay for your tricare.
karl, luke
 
1/29/2012 2:45:01 PM ET
The Senior Leadership needs to start with the ones who can't pass a simple PT test, aren't worldwide deployable and are a known problem child. As some else stated in the previous comments, if you can't make the grade then you deserve it. Well sir/ma'am, I am one of those 17 TSgts and I will be the first to admit I have a very difficult time testing. But I can guarantee my job performance and knowledge in allot more beneficial to the AF and its mission. I have had the opportunity to work for and with SOME of these good testers and found it quite embarrassing. I have had E-3s and E-4s know more about the job than SOME of these good testers. It really bothers me that the Senior Leadership is so quick to cut the feet out from under the ones that deserve and want to stay in. It's sad to know that I have dedicated almost half my life for what I believe in and to see it be shrugged off because I cant pass a test. Last time I looked, this is the United States Air Force and our mission
17 yr TSgt, Undisclosed loaction SW Asia
 
1/23/2012 1:48:50 PM ET
Here's a thought: why effect this in Dec where assignments will also be affected.... Why not wait until 1 Oct like everything else. I just got an assignment cancellation notice because of HYT change. I test again for TSgt in 2 weeks. I have at least 2 more chances to make TSgt. We are gutting overseas bases because now we have a lot of slots that will not have back fills because HYT assignment cancellations and now the folks make the grade.... While I understand and agree with SSgts not going past 15 years and also that assignments cannot be given, but don't give me an assignment that I get all the approvals for then yank the rug out from underneath me.
SSgt affected by HYT, Illinois
 
1/4/2012 11:42:44 AM ET
The statement The new HYT policy will impact slightly more than one-half of one percent of the enlisted force or approximately 1700 Airmen. is wrong. This change will affect every enlisted person from TSgt to Airman Basic.
Johnny, Langley AFB
 
1/4/2012 10:15:06 AM ET
A more in depth look should go into SNCO's that haven't pursued additional off-duty education. When I say additional I mean 'additional'. Not just the CCAF or that junior-level certificate in Management that they are starting to pass offer SNCOs.Why would you retain a 15-year-plus individual for a 60-K-plus salary that hasn't earned or even started in an undergraduate programAnd even then most members who have earned their undergraduate degree get off active duty pursue a civilian DOD career and forfeit their retirement anywho. Who is helping the Sec of the Air Forcewith this issue because they are not helping at all. Prolly an SNCO.
Mr. Code 50 minus 50, LAFB
 
1/4/2012 5:14:31 AM ET
Retired Vandenberg: MSgts and SMSgts had their HYT roll back two years ago. It was adjusted back to the original pre-OEF limits and caught some SNCOs unprepared for retirement. This roll back will afford most if not all two opportunities to test for promotion. Good luck to all that wish to remain a part of the OUR USAF.
SMSgt, Deployed
 
1/3/2012 4:27:52 PM ET
People are so quick to judge. I am a 15-year staff. do i regret that Im not higher ranking? YES. I do have a bad couple EPRs, but its no fault of anybody other than my own. I went through a really rough 3 to 4 year period where I went through a divorce, and it was a really low point in my life and just stopped caring. Since then, I have made major changes in my life. But to call somebody dead wieght because there still a staff is BS. yes those people are out there, but there's lots of people that do enjoy being in the military and just coming to work. People are so quick to judge and not know the story of somebody. Everybody has a story in life and sometimes Life happens and you get dealt a hand that never thought would happen to you, but you press on the only way you know how.
J, Jville
 
1/2/2012 3:16:27 AM ET
Here is a thought...I have given 18 years. I am a TSgt. I love the job and I am good at it. My EPR's reflect it. I have gone and done everything Big Blue has asked of me. My flaw...I don't want to be in charge of the shop. Does that make me dead weight as a TSgt? I will be going at 20 now and will miss it. Thank you, Big Blue, for the experience...
Miss is already, The great unknown
 
1/1/2012 4:40:32 PM ET
If you can't make TSgt by 15 years, you haven't applied yourself. This is a volunteer service. We haven't ever been guaranteed a retirement just for doing the bare minumum and staying in for 20 years. Name any enterprise that allows such poor performance for such great benefits. As for the cross training comment, we all know that you don't even test with SKT for promotion after changing AFSCs...My suggestions: study, apply yourself and avoid being in the bottom 1 percent of the Air Force. Yes, these ranks are the backbone of the Air Force, but the people it effects are not...It's about time we trim the fat based on performance.
C-Mac, Bagram
 
12/30/2011 4:05:21 PM ET
I don't see the Master Sergeant, Senior Master Sergeant or Chiefs with a new high year tenure limit changes.
Retired, Vandenberg AFBCA
 
12/30/2011 8:28:34 AM ET
I completely agree with this. Make rank and you don't have to worry about it. You basically have just had to show up to to the test to make Staff or Tech for the last 10 years. I have never met a 10yr SrA or 15 yr SSgt that had any sort of motivation to excel. Generally speaking, most of them are the ones that get into trouble and kill productivity and morale in the unit. And Mike, I guess you haven't been following the Officer RIFs. They have been cutting new accessions since 2005 and have also cut thousands of junior and mid-grade officers since then. I'm still waiting on the General Officer SERB though. Funny how everyone is being cut except the senior ranks that are at an all time manning high right now. Used to be 1 GO per 5000 members, now its 1 GO per 1900 members.
Make Rank, AF
 
12/29/2011 2:31:49 PM ET
First off there are Jr. Officer cuts in effect, too. RIF boards continue to meet and Lt's are now boarded for a 5 percent cut before making Capt. So we are weeding out sub-par performers at that level. With the number of one term and out CGOs, I think we need to cut back USAFA appointments and ROTC scholarships to save some cash and get better ROI. Let's stop being polite about all this... if you're targeted in these HYT programs, then you are simply not a top tier performer. It shouldn't take 10 years to make SSgt and retiring as a TSgt is not really charging too hard either. If it were merely a matter of testing getting in the way of a superior performer getting promoted, then your supervisors would be using the STEP program. We need to be fairly black and white in these instances, and they're moving in the right direction... can't deploy? Med Board. Can't pass PT? Admin or Honorable Discharge. Can't pass CDCs? Same deal. Repeat disciplinary issues? No reenlistment. Cap
JB, Denver CO
 
12/29/2011 2:06:45 PM ET
Mike Hatcher's comment is an excellent example of how uninformed many folks are. This story is about force management initiatives on the enlisted side. There are plenty of stories about force management initiatives on the officer side. Quite a few captains and majors were shown the door this year and more will be booted next year. Use the search tool and educate yourself.
CKJ, USA
 
12/29/2011 12:16:15 PM ET
I think there has got to be a more fair method of reducing numbers. If someone has given their Country 15 years of their life in service, they deserve the right to continue 5 more years to be able to retire. One young man recently joined our Company who got caught up in the head count reduction at 15 years of service as a TSgt who served in Afganistan as a C130 load master. He caught a bug, got sick, was taken off flight status, but then got thrown out before he could meet the medical board the next month after discharge for possible reinstatement of his flight status. Under the rules, we can not sue when we are wronged, but he seems to have had a strong case if he was allowed to take out a law suit. Just seems so unfair to get that far and have the squadron commander throw you out for head count.
SNCO Retired USAF, Ohio USA
 
12/29/2011 9:39:50 AM ET
Just like the the 90s, the Air Force is cutting its most valuable resource -- the mid-tier NCO. And just like the 90s, there will be a lack of leadership and experience five years from now to mentor the new SSgts of 2017. This won't be a hollow force, just one that has no loyalty to the Air Force core values.
Retired Chief, Illinois
 
12/29/2011 6:33:06 AM ET
Here is an idea...want to stay in move forward. In today's Air Force there is absolutely no reason we should be seeing SrA with 8 years TIS or SSgts with 15 years TIS. Promotions are based on potential, not just on what you have done. More oft than not, the individuals who fail to get promoted are truly dead weight, their EPRs reflect it and that is why they can't get promoted. Let's give opportunities for the hard chargers to advance rather than bogging down the mid-tier ranks with people who are scared to do anything else. 15 years isn't enough to make E-6 Not buying it. I pinned on E-7 at just over 13. Work hard study hard get promoted. Aim High
Josh, Bagram Afghanistan
 
12/28/2011 8:53:00 PM ET
The 10yr Sra, 20yr SSgts and TSgts that ride it out to HYT have been the biggest drains on every work center I have ever been in. They are also the same ones that break down office and unit morale by crying on a daily basis that the reason they can't make rank is not because they are too lazy to actually study, but because their supervisor/commander/congressman screwed them out of an Achievement medal. Retire as a SSgt after 20 yrs; people really think that is something to be proud of. It is about time AFPC got rid of the dead weight the hard workers have had to carry.
Retired MSgt, SA TX
 
12/28/2011 8:49:04 PM ET
This is no different than any other force shaping initiative we have seen in the last 5 years. It makes no sense and those that crunch the numbers have no clue what they are doing to the force. I have to admit though the USAF has a strong set in eliminating retirement for E-5s...
Retired, Retirementville
 
12/28/2011 7:27:17 PM ET
Mike Hatcher, couldn't have said it any better. Go guard or reserve then try to pick up an AGR slot.
Nick , TSgt AGR
 
12/28/2011 8:39:26 AM ET
Wow, looks like once again the idiots at personnel like they did in the mid-1990's have decided to clean out the middle tier of enlisted force, you know the backbone of the Air Force, rather than cleaning out that group of short-sided new officers that don't know the difference between the military and a college fraternity. How about for once looking at cutting the number of new officers you allow into the Air Force from ROTC programs and the Academy. If you keep this up, who is going to bend wrenches and bust knuckles to keep your aircraft flying and your systems running? Officers? I dont think so, and if you do, then let me introduce you to the term Pipe Dream.
Mike Hatcher, Home
 
12/27/2011 3:09:21 PM ET
What does the picture have to do with the story?
Retired Sarge, Retired life
 
12/22/2011 2:54:50 PM ET
My advise to anyone who thinks they might not make the cut off and still wants to retire is to cross into the Guard or Reserve to finish your time to retirement.
Tim, ANG
 
12/22/2011 2:42:36 PM ET
So basically a Staff Sargent who has re-inlisted several times with the promise of a retirement after twenty years is now just kicked out with separation pay after 15 years. Also, most anyone who has ever tried to cross train can tell you that Airman are not in charge of their careers. This is just one more example of the Air Force not taking care of the people who have made sacrifices and dedicated themselves to the Air Force. It's one more reason I am thankful that I got out and went into the Air National Guard.
Tim, ANG
 
12/22/2011 1:16:02 PM ET
This is the best idea in force management that the Air Force has come up with to date.
Realistic, CONUS
 
12/22/2011 11:29:58 AM ET
While I understand that we need to meet out end strength goal, going after the mid level NCO tier is not always the way to go. Since he have had 2 DOS Rollbacks and our Commanders fought to keep the people who got into trouble in, why dont we start with them. Next, the people who are retirement eligible make them retire. And the greatest one of all, the EPR system. Here is yet another way to make sure that we overinflate the system and gice out 5's to people who do not deserve them. We as first line supervisors work daily with people who we are writing on and then the rater's rater gives them a different mark from what THEY earned all because it is unfair to punish them. If you can not do your job compared to others in your skill level and rank, then you should not be rewarded no matter what your PT score is.
Recently Retired TSgt, Osan AB ROK
 
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