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Officials announce E-7 selection stats

Posted 5/11/2011

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5/11/2011 - RANDOLPH AIR FORCE BASE, Texas (AFNS) -- Air Force officials selected 6,618 of 19,538 eligible technical sergeants for promotion to master sergeant for a selection rate of 33.87 percent.

The average score for those selected was 335.21, with an average time in grade of 4.58 years and an average time in service of 15.91 years. The average score was based on the following point averages: 134.13 for enlisted performance reports, 11.24 for decorations, 72.46 for the promotion fitness examination and 60.45 for the specialty knowledge test.

The master sergeant promotion list will be released May 19 at 8 a.m. CDT on the Air Force Personnel Center's website and Air Force personnel services website under enlisted promotions. Airmen can also access their score notices at the same time on the Virtual Military Personnel Flight and Air Force Portal.

Those selected for master sergeant will be promoted according to their promotion sequence number beginning in August 2011.

As a reminder, selections are tentative until the data verification process is complete, which is no later than 10 days after the promotion release date. AFPC officials will notify Airmen through their military personnel sections if their selection is in question.

For more information about personnel issues, visit the Air Force personnel services website at https://gum-crm.csd.disa.mil.

(Courtesy of Air Force Personnel, Services and Manpower Public Affairs)

Comments

6/15/2011 3:19:13 PM ET
Why is TSgt always so hush hush? Some folks found out they made MSgt 1 or 2 days in advance this year and last year but for some reason we SSgts can't even get stats 9 days in advance. Why Last year the commanders didn't even know who made TSgt until it dropped at 0800. BTW once again Congrats to the New MSgt Selects.

SSgt C, Little Rock AFB

6/14/2011 1:19:54 PM ET
Hey AFPC, hows about you guys go ahead and release the 11E6 promotion stats? Were t-minus 8 days out FYSA. Thanks.

APH, FL

5/22/2011 11:49:54 PM ET
Congratulations, MSgt selects! You now have the opportunity and obligation to lead the enlisted corps with more of a voice than ever before. Pay no attention to the negative/pessimistic views of some of the comments on this page. Education is great, don't get me wrong. You can't go wrong with trying to better yourself. And don't get too wrapped around the axle when you hear that leadership is something you are born with. You have experience in your career and you've learned to build off of good and bad leaders. The best advice I can give to you is to take care of your people. The mission will obviously be at the forefront, but if you don't look out for those under you, the mission is a wash. Good luck to you in all your future endeavors, and congratulations again.

J. , JBPH-H HI

5/22/2011 9:09:55 PM ET
Congratulations to all of the new selecties. I want you to remember this feeling the rest of your lives. Also it's great. Remember now you are a member of the top three.

Bob LaGesse, albany ga

5/22/2011 9:03:16 AM ET
The experience level is a great deal higher than in years past. We've been at war for the past 10 years; deployment rates are through the roof. Promotions should follow suit. If the old folks think it's easier now, they should turn back the clock and work in today's Air Force. We're doing twice as much work with half the force and going on real deployments to desolate locations. No more of the TDYs to Europe and South America, staying at 5-star hotels.

MCH, Ali Base

5/18/2011 9:28:20 PM ET
Most times the percentages are up the numbers are close to if not the same as previous years. Need to replace some of those old MSgts forced out by the tenure roll back.

NUB, Lackland AFB

5/18/2011 4:17:07 PM ET
Congrats to all the new MSgt selects. Looking at the previous posts, there is a common theme: old hats complaining it's easier to make rank. If you look at the promotion rate, it is almost 34 percent. Do you feel this is too high or just right? Education and experience are both important as we move forward in the service and afterward. Not all but most good paying jobs require a college degree, at least a bachelor's. I feel a CCAF degree is a great stepping stone to a higher degree. If you want to succeed, you need to put in the effort. One great thing about serving 20 years is that there is plenty of time to study for promotion and a college degree. You need to make a short- and long-term plan and stick to it; you will be further ahead than the average person in life. The AF provides a lot of opportunities. You just need to seize it. - Stacy, MSgt retired

Stacy, PA

5/18/2011 6:28:32 AM ET
Congrats to ALL of the MSgt selects! It is NOT your fault that the promotion rate is what it is.

MSgt T, The Deid

5/17/2011 11:47:36 AM ET
Great MSgt giveaway Look at the 20002001 averages...higher than this year.

Dave, Pete

5/17/2011 11:32:27 AM ET
I really don't understand why the older guys that have been in for awhile seemed so upset by those in the younger newer generation getting promoted sooner to higher ranks. When I first came in, getting promoted to SSgt was pretty hard with percentages in the lower 20's, but by the year I tested, the promotion percentage went up to the 60's, whcih angered a lot of the older guys who felt like those who made it weren't ready. Which, by the way, these older guys or persons were the same ones who probably supervised and rated those promotees as fire wall 5's on their EPR's. So that being said, either they deserve to be promoted like there EPR's said or their supervisors were just lazy and wrote the 5 EPR because its the easier thing to do. I feel like if you get rated high on your EPR and you study and make to rank then you deserve it Furthermore I as well as other guys of this era have since made Tech Sergeant and some are now Master's out performing and and out ranking some of the very

Alexander, Tinker

5/17/2011 10:49:13 AM ET
First off, congrats to all the selects. I am one of those people and I worked hard for the opportunity to advance in my career. Even thought I am close to retirement, I put everything into that test. I can understand the complaints the gripes and all the other comments. We need to receive it all as a learning tool. It makes no difference how long it took to get to where you are in your career or how you feel your received your stripes. We are bound to be the best NCO or SNCO we can be. Something I have always told my troops and something I believe in is that the rank doesn't make me, I make the rank. I wear my rank proudly and respect my fellow NCOs regardless of how or when they were promoted. I have made TSgt - something to be respected - and if I am blessed with a line number. I will make MSgt. something to be respected. We can each go into how our job needs this or how we should focus on work and not school. Each of our workcenters career fields bases and missions are differ

TSgt HJ, Pope AAF NC

5/16/2011 3:10:45 PM ET
Congratulations to the new MSgts. No matter what the comments may say, you have earned your new stripe regardless of your time in service or education level. As a prior who tested a few times before pinning on, it's not a freebie. Sure, sometimes the cut-off works for you. sometimes it doesn't. Grats!

Capt K, Nellis

5/13/2011 2:20:49 PM ET
First off, congrats to all of the selectees. You now join the next level of Enlisted Leadership - SNCO. Average time in grade, almost 5 years. Average time in service, almost 16 years. Right on target! Great job, selectees. For those of you complaining about early and easy promotions, if one of these selectees is not prepared to lead it's not their fault but the fault of their supervisors, first sergeants, superintendents and commanders for not mentoring and preparing them.

SMSgt retired, Florida

5/13/2011 1:22:15 PM ET
I disagree with the ones citing an education requirement. I have 2 CCAFS, whoop-de-doo. Do they make me a better leader? Nope, not in the least bit. Course 14 to me seemed like a rehash of NCOA, which is required to put on MSgt anyway. So what's the point of making people have it done before putting on master?

MM, FL

5/13/2011 9:39:28 AM ET
I am a bit confused by the complaining by a person on this post. I won BTZ, SSgt 1st time, and TSgt 1st time. Does this make me less of a leader, though? I will argue that I am more than capable of leading just as well as, if not better, than some seasoned leaders. I will agree that there is no substitute for experience, but someone's leadership ability is something that CANNOT be taught; you either have it or you dont. Just because we have younger leaders now doesnt make us any less effective as a force either. We have AFIs and senior officers that help guide us through the hard times, and we learn from past seasoned leaders' mistakes. No one is perfect and we, the big AF, will make mistakes, but there are enough checks and balances to keep us vectored. As far as the schooling goes, there are multiple trains of thought on this. I subscribe to the more education, the better. I come from a poor upbringing that didn't lend itself to having money for college.

TSgt W, JBAB

5/13/2011 9:14:53 AM ET
I find many comments to be thought provoking. It's refreshing to see what people really think rather than the standard. I'm happy to be here, proud to serve. MSgt C, dismissing comments as just complaints and whiners is a missed leadership opportunity. I have no doubt you took your career seriously and earned what you have, but people have given you a window into their world. Our military and civilians are overworked and stressed while seeing no end in sight. This is a time when we need great leaders and leadership decisions. Posting comments is a great way to vent and share firsthand experience. Keep them coming.

PF, Ramstein

5/13/2011 5:16:30 AM ET
Why would I need a CCAF to put on MSgt? How does that affect my leadership skills and being able to do my job as far as running a section? I agree with TSgt Williams; college was not for me. How about pushing the job and not the college. It's great that people can get their college in while they are on active duty, but at what price? I have no problem letting people take classes, but it needs to be in the forefront that you are here to do a job and everything else comes second. I am not bitter or anything like that so don't get me wrong, but no way should your education determine whether or not you should get promoted.

Tim, Kandahar

5/12/2011 8:37:41 PM ET
First off, I would like to congratulate all the TSgt who will be getting the coveted line numbers. Job Well Done! Second, many of the individuals who are being accused of complaints and whining do have a point. A lot of them, including myself, had cut-off scores for SSgt in the 300 range when we were selected. Third, just because an individual takes 20 years to make MSgt does not mean that they did not take their career seriously. That is just an improper comment to be made by a SNCO. Just as if someone was to say that someone with 2 CCAF degrees was at school more than work. Lastly, I do have to say to all the selects that you have earned it. Good Luck with the rest of your careers.

Val, Luke AFB

5/12/2011 6:10:16 PM ET
Made BTZ, 1st time staff, 2nd time tech. It's the new AF, guys, get on board. BTW, thanks to the PT test, there were a lot of master slots open.

H, Edwards AFB

5/12/2011 4:26:49 PM ET
If your gonna make it mandatory to complete college then the pay needs to be more in line with officer pay. Seems like you want to push everyone in that direction.

Pat, Eglin

5/12/2011 2:34:44 PM ET
It never ceases to amaze me that even the most benign story still draws complaints and whining. Sounds like another person who took 20 years to make MSgt and is now mad. I took the same heat since I was one of those SrA who made SSgt back in 2000. Guess what? Now I'm a MSgt because I took my career seriously. Oh yeah, I have 2 CCAFs too. Good luck to those eligibles. It's not given to you. You have to earn it!

MSgt C, Lackland AFB

5/12/2011 2:22:57 PM ET
I agree with most of what has been said. I was one of those Airmen who won BTZ, then next thing you know, I was testing for SSgt. I did not study because I felt I was not ready but I made SSgt my 1st time testing due to the great Staff giveaway. Luckily I had time to mature before sewing on Tech after my 4th attempt testing. This is my 2nd time testing for MSgt and I did prepare for it. I do not feel I am ready to sew on Master yet though, but once again I may get the stripe due to high promotion rate. I do believe there is a certain level of experience desired before one enters NCO and SNCO status but I am undecided on education requirements. Back when I enlisted, the GI Bill was optional and I refused the benefit. I enlisted because I wanted to serve go places and do things. I also enlisted because college was not for me. If I desired a college education I would have gone to college. If I had my Associates early in my career I would have applied to OTS and if I had a Bachelor's I w..

TSgt Jason Williams, Holloman AFB

5/12/2011 11:25:17 AM ET
Wow, 33 Percent! Could this be described as the first Great Master Give-a-way? Congrats to the folks who put in the time and effort to study during this period of draw-down.

ArchieJ, Hurlburt Field

5/12/2011 11:11:43 AM ET
The Air Force never seems to get things right. First off, reduce the manning for better aircraft. BP720 was the latest way to reduce the high-year tenure roll back. Effectiveness of this, remove anyone who is between the age of 40 and 45. Results -- lose experience. End result promotes all SrA to SSgt, which was used as AF retention tool. Now years later, all SrA, those who were promoted too early, are now being promoted yet again. Stigmata new baby boomer SSgt now turns into new MSgt of today's Air Force. How will our lower ranks be taken care of? When it comes down to it, writing EPR's are challenging for the youngsters as is. This will be a bigger issue for SNCOs. All SMSgt's and Chief's will now be the new babysitters. Also, how the times are changing; education completion is a must. We should not promote TSgt to MSgt unless they have their CCAF completed and they're enrolled into a BA program to include finishing PME Course 12, now 14, soon to be 15, 16.

Tom , Barksdale

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