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A cadet looks at a tarot deck during the Special Program in Religious Education group meeting Oct. 18, 2010, at the Air Force Academy. Some Pagans use tarot cards to get an intuitive point of view of their own or someone else's current emotional or spiritual situation. (U.S. Air Force photo/Staff Sgt. Don Branum)
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Freethinkers, Pagans discuss intersections of mind, spirit

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by Staff Sgt. Don Branum
U.S. Air Force Academy Public Affairs


10/21/2010 - U.S. AIR FORCE ACADEMY, Colo. (AFNS) -- Members of the Air Force Academy's Freethinkers group invited members of the Special Program in Religious Education earth-centered spirituality group to discuss their beliefs, views and experiences during a SPIRE meeting here Oct. 18.

SPIRE members set aside time each week for the religiously diverse cadet population that includes Protestants, Catholics, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Pagans, atheists, agnostics and others to discuss religion, spirituality and philosophy.

Tech. Sgt. Brandon Longcrier is the lay leader for the Academy's Earth-Centered Spirituality community, which includes Wiccans and Pagans from various traditions, as well as the facilitator for the Earth-Centered SPIRE group.

He started the discussion by familiarizing the Freethinker guests with some common beliefs but cautioned that many Pagans' beliefs vary, sometimes widely.

"If you ask eight or 10 Pagans to define Paganism, you're going to get 10 or 12 different answers," he said. "We have a very individualized spirituality."

That spiritual diversity can make it challenging to lead a group when no two members have exactly the same traditions, beliefs or practices.

One cadet with the Freethinkers group asked whether Wiccans or Pagans practiced "black magic," or spiritual work intended to bring harm to another person.

In response, Sergeant Longcrier referenced the Wiccan Rede: "An it harm none, do what ye will," a statement that sets the standard for moral behavior within most Pagan faiths.

"If you follow the Rede, you wouldn't do (black magic)," he said.

"A majority of people in any faith are trying to do the right thing," one of the Pagan cadets said. "But not everyone -- you'll always have splinter groups of extremists or militants."

Situational ethics plays a role, too.

While the Wiccan Rede would apply to most everyday settings, it would not apply to a battlefield, Sergeant Longcrier said.

Those who follow Earth-Centered religions believe in an afterlife, and many believe in more than one god or goddess, said Jeff Lucas, a Freethinkers volunteer liaison and former Air Force officer. In contrast, many atheists either deny the existence of a deity or afterlife or simply acknowledge that some things are unknowable.

"Most of us non-believers aren't afraid to say, 'I don't know,'" Mr. Lucas said. "We may never know the answers to some of these things, but just because you don't know, doesn't mean you have to go out and make up some ... answer."

The Freethinkers didn't mince words, but the discussion remained civil and calm throughout. One of the atheist cadets pointed to multiple scientific studies that have concluded prayer has no healing effects on people with serious medical conditions.

Two of the pagan cadets offered counterpoints.

"If I put out a healing spell -- say, I wanted to heal you from pizza poisoning -- if it doesn't work for you, but it works for somebody else, does that mean it didn't work?" one cadet asked.

"But also keep in mind that magic doesn't necessarily mean miracles," another said. "Say you have cancer, and someone does a healing spell for you. It doesn't mean the cancer disappears overnight. It could mean your doctor thinks up a different treatment."

Sometimes, though, there's no more fitting word than "miracle" to describe a person's recovery from a life-altering event, Sergeant Longcrier said.

"When a doctor says, 'You will not walk again. Your spine is done,' the patient is so determined," he said. "And when he does walk again, the doctor says, 'We cannot explain how his spine fused back together, but it did.'"

Differences in faith allow for good discussions in other settings as well, said one cadet who regularly talks about religion with his Christian roommate and friends.

"I kind of like the fact that I can just show up to a public ritual, just a bunch of people getting together. It's much more generalized: 'So what do you believe? That's cool, and what do you believe?' And everyone's okay with it," he said. "I like this type of settings where her beliefs are different from his, which are different from mine. Everyone is just a little bit different, and it's so interesting because everyone accepts everyone else."

Sergeant Longcrier said that while the two groups may not see eye-to-eye on matters of the spirit, the discussion was still a good one.

"I feel that we have a lot in common and that we all learned a little something from one another," he said.



tabComments
1/14/2011 1:29:40 PM ET
Love this article. For those Christians and the like who ridicule the faith of others, GROW UP and learn something. There is more than one faith. Your narrowmindness displays nothing but ignorance. Is there an Alt Religion Social Network Group for us active ex military folk? Please point me in that direction. If not I'll create one. Thanks
Stefeni, Minneapolis MN
 
10/27/2010 11:37:36 AM ET
For all the people making crude comments and jokes about alternative religions you are just exposing your ignorance if you knew any pagans or wiccans at all you would realize a majority of them don't even practice magic. It is the narrowmindedness and the generalization that unfortunatly only seems to be done by Christians not that there is anything wrong with being christian. For anyone that is trying to make fun of this make you should look at yourself what if your religion was persecuted just because it was different. Would you like to hear people bashing you constantly just because they don't understand it? Open your mind, accept others even if you don't like it respect their faith.
Airman, LittleRock
 
10/25/2010 9:28:22 AM ET
Really Professional Warrior what makes you think your airmen haven't already worked some magic on your jet I did quite a lot of hands-on healing on active duty and still do on AF equipment as a civilian. Do you think my skills are irrelevant? I assure you that what I do works and does so IAW tech data. It's not magic as such it's a mind-set that lets me duplicate problems others can't and yes, it's a little bit woo-woo if you don't understand it.
RetMSgt, St. Paul MN
 
10/24/2010 12:41:37 AM ET
Well said, professional warrior. Also it's strange how this article wasn't about Christianity but the Christian bashers are alive and well and exposing themselves in this forum. As a Christian, I respect everyone's right to worship or not worship however they choose but if I disagree with those practices, I'm labeled a bigot, hateful intolerant, ignorant, etc, etc. Christians are the only ones not allowed to have opinions in today's society.
Charles, Hill AFB
 
10/22/2010 4:23:37 PM ET
Good article. What many people don't realize is that the US military does not have the same religious demographics as the civilian population. It is arguably more non-religious. Additionally mainstream religious demographics are not well reflected and there appears to be higher numbers of non-traditional religious practices vice the civilian world. Just look at the data from the 2004 Population Reference Bureau Vol 59 No. 4.
Eric Clinton, Brooks C-B
 
10/22/2010 4:04:50 PM ET
It is nice to see USAFA facilitating some discussions with less represented faith groups. Too often the Christian majority assumes the the Air Force is Christian and that theirs are the only acceptable beliefs. This country is based on free exercise of religion not on exclusive Christianity and as members of the military it is our job to follow the letter and intent of the constitution.
Analyst, Barksdale
 
10/22/2010 3:46:07 PM ET
To clarify SPIRE has representatives from all of the Academy's faith groups including Protestants Catholics Muslims Jews Buddhists and more. The Freethinkers invited the Earth-Centered SPIRE group to discuss their beliefs at the meeting. I'm working on an article that will go into more detail about the Cadet Interfaith Council at the Academy and hope to have it published early next week.
Staff Sgt. Don Branum, U.S. Air Force Academy
 
10/22/2010 3:00:35 PM ET
SrA Donahoe I also am an atheist and have oft times found I know more about religon than religous folks. It's because as you said I have sat down and talked to people of many religions to find out what it is they believe. Most religous folks just believe in their little interpretation and fail to explore others. Most religions speak of good will doing the right thing and being kind to one another. Sadly very few people live that way though. They automatically shut out and condemn people who don't believe as they do or who don't act in the same manner as they believe you should act -i.e. homosexuals.
MM, FL
 
10/22/2010 2:08:33 PM ET
Is this a serious article...Wow
Doug, Pope
 
10/22/2010 2:02:12 PM ET
Professional Warrior and MRD. Is it really that hard to accept other peoples beliefs? I think our Air Force needs more of this to help each other understand each others thought process. The more we know the more we can put aside differences and accomplish the mission. I totally agree with Maj. Ratcliffe's comment that the support of this diversity is a strength and not a weakness. It is the close minded thought process in people who have their blinders up to the that cause the conflicts to come about. All religions of the world teach a good moral standard that teachs one not to judge other people. it is the radicals and the militants that the article mentioned that bring out the bad tendencies in people. I myself am an Athiest but I have no qualms and I actually have sat down with almost every religious sect possible to get to know and understand their religion instead of being ignorant about it.
SrA Matthew Donahoe, NCSA Sector Norfolk
 
10/22/2010 1:19:44 PM ET
If you have ever deployed, you've deployed alongside a Pagan. If you have ever served you've served alongside a Pagan ... guaranteed. Do let's not make a fuss about how their religion will lead toward polygamy and bigotry or how it's trendy. Pagans have been in the Air Force for decades now and they will continue to serve their country honorably. You don't have to like it, but you do have to accept it.
PB, US
 
10/22/2010 1:10:13 PM ET
As a practicing wiccan of 7 years I enjoy this even tho they got the words wrong If it harms none do as ye will.I myself do not believe in magic spells etc. But I find it refreshing that the AF will take the time to try and help others learn more and be more accepting of other religions. I cannot count the number of times I've had people that didn't understand Wiccan try to acuse me of being a satanic worshipper.
Andrew, AR
 
10/22/2010 12:55:55 PM ET
Bigotry is already well accepted and required among Christians.The Wiccan stuff is a bit new age-y but support for freethinkers humanists agnostics and atheists is very welcome and desperately needed. Especially in more rural areas where such people feel isolated and alone and are usually uncomfortable around evangelical Christians.
Steve, WDC
 
10/22/2010 12:14:07 PM ET
So what do you believe That's cool and what do you believe' And everyone's okay with it he saidT his is called 'relativism' and it is very popular for our generation...but it just doesn't make sense.We must establish that there is such a thing as truth. 'Your truth is good for you and my truth is good for me' is a self-defeating philosophy. Someone is wrong if their beliefs are diametrically opposed. That doesn't mean we should treat that person with anger disgust or hate but it does mean that we should recognize that if one of us is wrong...maybe it's me.I'd say there is evidence all around us of design. If a creator designed all of this I'm sure a God like that would be involved in it.
Lt Smith, Laughlin TX
 
10/22/2010 11:02:19 AM ET
So what's next Polygamy and bigotry become acceptable?
MRD, Califorado Springs CO
 
10/22/2010 8:43:53 AM ET
Really. We're a nation and AF at war and this is what makes the headlines Every deviant/diverse belief or preference is not worthy of attention. What else will be allowable- one of my Airmen putting a spell on my jet when it's broke? Just follow the tech data and keep your trendy spiritual beliefs to yourself. Political correctness will be the downfall of our Force and our Nation.
Professional Warrior, TX
 
10/22/2010 8:02:57 AM ET
This is outstanding. I think this article needs to get very widespread distribution. While I am a Protestant Christian myself I support diversity and see it as a strength. The fact that this activity occured at the USAF Academy where there has been so much hostility and intolerance by extremist Christians towards fellow cadets is important.
Maj David Ratcliffe, Pentagon
 
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