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Air Force 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal training detailed

Posted 2/11/2011

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by Maj. Joel Harper
Secretary of the Air Force Public Affairs

2/11/2011 - WASHINGTON (AFNS) -- Air Force officials will soon begin training Airmen in anticipation of the repeal of the law and policy commonly known as "Don't Ask, Don't Tell."

This training will help Airmen understand what is expected in a post-repeal environment, said Air Force Chief of Staff Gen. Norton Schwartz.

"I know our Airmen will approach this issue professionally, and will continue to adhere faithfully to our core values of integrity, service before self, and excellence in all we do," General Schwartz said. "Implementing this change while fighting a war is challenging, but I have no doubt that the Air Force will do this in a way that minimizes operational impact and successfully accomplishes the important task of training our force."

The first tier of training will focus on Air Force experts responsible for implementing policy changes and personnel providing repeal-related services to Airmen. This group includes several functional communities including chaplains, judge advocates and benefit counselors. This training explains guidance for implementing policy changes, and includes tools and information to help these experts answer Airmen's questions about the repeal.

The second tier will focus on Air Force leaders, and will assist commanders, senior NCOs, and civilian supervisors in preparing for and implementing repeal. The final tier will train and prepare the broader force while reinforcing expectations of professional and personal conduct through engagement by experts and leaders at all levels. The training for all tiers will commence on the same date, and training will occur concurrently.

"We need to ensure our changes in policy happen in a professional, deliberate manner," said Chief Master Sgt. of the Air Force James A. Roy. "This training is an important part of making the transition, and it should answer many questions that Airmen at all levels have been asking."

Airmen will have ample training opportunities, said Col. Jeff White, the leader of the education and training working group for the Air Force repeal implementation team. The training is a standardized program developed by armed services officials working in conjunction with the Office of the Secretary of Defense repeal implementation team.

"This training explains the new policies and provides information about specific behaviors, statements and actions to our Airmen, ensuring a consistent understanding grounded in an organizational climate of dignity and respect," Colonel White said. "When local conditions or mission requirements demand additional training, commanders may supplement accordingly. However, they must include, at a minimum, the information in the Air Force-approved briefings."

Face-to-face training is the Air Force-preferred training method, but in the event that this is not possible, computer-based training is authorized to facilitate training completion.

Additionally, a 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal site will open on the Air Force Portal and will include informational resources for leaders at all levels to include lesson plans and slide presentations, frequently asked questions, vignettes, guiding principles, and the "Top 10 Things You Need to Know," Colonel White said.

"The Air Force will accomplish this training expeditiously, in the disciplined, professional manner our nation expects from its Airmen," Colonel White said.

Repeal of the policy was set into motion Dec. 22, 2010, when the president signed legislation that set conditions that must be met prior to the repeal of title 10, United States Code, section 654, "Policy Concerning Homosexuality in the Armed Forces." The current law and policy remains in effect until 60 days after certification by the president, the secretary of defense, and the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

"By following our core values, we will successfully implement this change with the same unparalleled professionalism we have demonstrated with every transformation we have undertaken, in both peace and war," General Schwartz said.

Comments

7/12/2011 12:00:54 AM ET
It's about integrity. Except for the transgendered. A man who thinks he is a woman is totally inconsistent with the military. But a man who is sexually attracted to men should be able to tell the men of his unit he is attracted to men then shower with them without restriction. Unless he says he thinks he is a woman then he has to go for good order and discipline.

b, SWA

5/14/2011 11:49:31 AM ET
Just took the training. I have no issues with any of this overall. But unless I misunderstood the training, troops with HIV can still serve. I know Airmen going through MEBs and looking at being discharged for various things that, in my mind, do not impact their ability to perform their primary duties. Yet someone with HIV can still serve? Given the impact that HIV could cause versus some of the things I see people being MEB'd for, this in itself is not fair.

TSgtR, Schriever

4/18/2011 7:15:20 PM ET
To be honest gays and lesbians are already serving. Don't Ask Don't Tell has everyone walking on eggshells and now most of them can finally admit it in public or display relationships. Being homosexual is not about someone being sexually aggressive. Not everyone is looking at YOU or wants to have relations with YOU. We all have dating preferences. With that being said I'm only nervous because the military members currently serving are just an overall reflection of our society. Many backgrounds hometowns and mindsets that show this world is messed up. Some are with it and some will have a hard hard time. I'm talking about violence being paranoid closed minded...get ready for the storm before the quiet. People resist change. That's being real and not politically correct.

SSgt O. , Asia

4/5/2011 3:04:31 AM ET
Sexual orientation has no bearing on a person's ability to lead or on their ability to defend their wingman in the midst of a battle. There are however grave concerns with how the military is currently structured and problems that would occur when gays and lesbians are permitted to freely enter the service. Why will gays and lesbians be permitted to room with someone they are attracted to while those who are straight are not? Would you like your daughter staying the same room with different guys? And what about your spouse? Do you want them staying in a room with someone they would be attracted to or would be attracted to them? What do you think lesbians/gays are going to think when their spouse has to stay in this situation? If we are really gender neutral/sexual orientation netrual we need to be real about this and not just kid ourselves by blaming one group or the other as bigots. Quite frankly this is a PR nightmare.

Jordan, Kabul Afghanistan

4/2/2011 2:40:55 PM ET
The only reason this garbage is a big deal is because people keep making it a big deal.

abdcop, Houston

3/24/2011 11:43:03 PM ET
I hate people who quote the Bible and know nothing of what they're talking about. This Leviticus says that it's a sin to lay with another man. Guess what? It also says it's a sin to wear wool, eat lobster and trim your beard. The military requires you to shave. Should we ban that? No. Furthermore this text is to separate Pagans and ritualistic practices from the Jews. The Pagans worshiped the unholy god Molech the whole reason for these abomination. The homosexual part was because Molech was known to run with male prostitutes. It's a definitive line between Jews and Pagans. Know your Bible and stop quoting it without knowing what in the world you're in referance to.

JamesT, Huntington West Virginia

3/22/2011 11:06:21 AM ET
You know I understand that some people believe in the bible and some do not but all of you who say the bible has no place in the military or that the bible is not part of the constitution check this out look at your US currency and read this: In God we trust or look at your enlistment papers and read this ...so help me God. Now that we are on the same page if you said suck it up because you are in the military guess what...right back at you since YOU said so help me God when you enlisted. When you attack people's personal spiritual beliefs you are are wrong...I believe you need to consult The Enlisted Force Structure AFI if they strongly believe in the bible and that's what makes them spiritually ready to acomplish the mission then you should not question that at all because you are violating their spiritual rights. Bottom line is everyone needs to suck it up right now straight gay God believers or non-believers etc.

SSgt, JBSA

3/15/2011 4:55:41 PM ET
UCMJ 925. ART. 125. SODOMY Any person subject to this chapter who engages in unnatural carnal copulation with another person of the same or opposite sex or with an animal is guilty of sodomy. Penetration however slight is sufficient to complete the offense. Any person found guilty of sodomy shall be punished as a court-martial may directdoes this open the door for me and my wife to act upon this carnal copulation as wellwooowhoooooo... bring on the gel.

geraldo, Ca

3/10/2011 2:05:52 PM ET
It looks like we have a lot of fallacious statements on this blog. As an Airman we are trained to all be on the same page. Integrity First, Service Before Self and Excellence in All We Do. That being said, you're expected to be professional in all areas no matter what your personal standpoint is. I'm not saying you have to agree or disagree, that's not what this is about, but I do know that you should use the same discipline and professionalism that we're all taught at Basic Training. Integrity means you should be having respect for your wingman regardless of your opinion on their sexual preference. This is the military not some debate at home. You're also supposed to put the service before yourself, so whatever lifestyle you choose, religious views you have, you set that aside while you're working to protect this country and are wearing the uniform. This isn't asking what we think is right and wrong. But it is telling us that we will be professional about it in all aspects and on both

A1C Faurot, HAFB UT

3/9/2011 4:21:21 PM ET
At For the Standards The straight population will also get to look at what they want with the gays having to deal with it -IE a straight man looking at a lesbianstraight woman looking at a gay man-. Equal.

SrAnonymous, Virginia

3/9/2011 1:12:08 AM ET
It seems more like a bunch of MEO complaints will be made when they try to put this in. So the gays and lesbians get to look at what they want but the straight population gets told to suck it up? That's not fair at all because it is unbalanced. I don't remember sucking up no equality as part of our military standards. There are young and old military against this. Military laws can't be treated like civilian laws, which are why they were created in the first place.

For the Standards , Alabama

3/5/2011 10:50:40 PM ET
Stop whining and do as you're told. This is the military not a picnic.

Gen. Public, USA

3/5/2011 9:09:15 PM ET
Wow still so many bigots in the military...what a shame.

R in CA, CA

3/4/2011 7:03:53 AM ET
This legislation started with our illustrious leader. Honestly I can't wait until 2012 and this guy is no longer our President. Keep your change Mr. President...look forward to seeing you leave the White House - good riddance as you go down in history tied with Jimmy Carter for worst President in the history of our nation.

Retired SMSgt, Tucson

3/2/2011 7:30:20 PM ET
Correction - I meant to say NOT able to accept the repeal of DADT. That person should not wear a uniform representing a zero tolerance discrimination military. Sorry. I am for Repeal.

Perez, Alaska

3/2/2011 1:03:24 PM ET
Zeke what would you do if your number one troop comes out after the repeal? Would you suddenly start looking down on him and judging him based on who he sleeps with rather than on his job performance? If you feel the need to judge your troops based on your own personal morality, then you are simply not fit to be a leader. Would a Muslim commander be justified in downrating his troops for not following his moral code? Absolutely not. Why do you think your moral code should be so privileged?

Capt S, Missouri

3/2/2011 12:21:27 PM ET
I'm all for the repeal of it. I think that no matter what sexual orientation you are you should be allowed to serve your country openly. I mean come on your serving your country that counts for something. People who are homophobes need to get over it. They are defending the country like the rest of them, but otherwise great story.

JimisonAnthony, MaidenNC

3/2/2011 3:25:47 AM ET
If you have been in the service for more than a year chances are you have served, next to, been the customer or patient of a homosexual. Now I am as straight as they come but really is having a gay person come out going to change anything? They have been there all along, in your bathrooms, in your showers, in your deployed tents. Has anything bad happened? Chances are they are not interested in you, because you are straight. Quit giving yourself so much credit. I am fairly certain you are safe. I have been in for a long time so it is not all of the ancient folks who are steadfast in being closed-minded. Gays are there already. It will be just fine. Just relax and no one will encroach on your morality.

Kristie, New Delhi

3/1/2011 6:19:10 PM ET
Is anyone aware of how psychologically and physically destructive the homosexual lifestyle is? The suicide rate is 3-4 times the average and the expected lifespan is 20-30 years less than average. Behaviors like homosexuality, alcoholism, drug addiction and even adultery are personally and socially destuctive, and that's one reason the military stands against them.

Zeke, Tyndall

3/1/2011 6:13:04 PM ET
This is about homosexual activists attacking the 3 most conservative institutions in America: church, marriage and the military. They will not be content to silently serve. Now that the military condones their behavior it will become a wedge to silence moral men and women who believe the behavior is wrong. I must call the behavior wrong and now I'm against DOD policy. As a leader I will be pinned down. How do you think I'll fare?

Zeke, Tyndall

3/1/2011 9:34:02 AM ET
How does working alongside someone who is homosexual, or rather knowing that the person you work with is homosexual affect your integrity/personal/religious/moral beliefs? The military is not asking you to condone or participate in a lifestyle you don't agree with. They are simply stating that this particular group of society is free to serve in the military and they are allowed to do so openly regardless of their sexual preference. Simply working alongside someone that does not live their life by your moral code does not compromise your values. There are things that take place daily in the Air Force that are contrary to my values but that doesnt mean I've been compromised. They're simply facts of life as a result of the career I've chosen. I've learned to deal with them just as you must learn to deal with the DoD allowing people of ALL persuasions to openly serve their country. If you cant adapt, leave.

John, Germany

2/28/2011 2:15:30 PM ET
If a service memmber is able to accept the repeal of DADT that member should NOT be wearing a uniform representing an organization based on equality and a ZERO tolerance for DISCRIMINATION. The year is 2011 and a new generation of people are taking charge.

SrA Perez, Alaska

2/24/2011 4:29:17 AM ET
I forsee no good coming out of this change. This will just stir up more contraversy amonst our troops. While the majority will accept this new policy the 5 percent who do not will bring our nations military under a negative light. Why fix something that isn't broken? I understand the whole concept of wanting to serve openly but at what expense to our already efficient military? Will this help or hurt our military?

MSgt , Aviano

2/22/2011 10:56:07 PM ET
How come all of a sudden everyone can talk down to people that are religious? Maybe this topic isnt the only reason some people are getting out. It could be that there are people that are openly prejudice towards a certain religion. If you cant come up with a better argument than dragging someones religion in the dirt than keep it to yourself. Alot of you are acting like children.

Tyler, california

2/22/2011 10:30:57 PM ET
I agree with Maj below. Don't Ask Don't Tell was a great idea on paper. I think it was implemented poorly. No one should talk about sex at work. I don't care if you are a guy girl gay lesbian whatever. I don't think much will change with this repeal. It is still going to be a taboo thing to be openly gay in the military. People will just be able to date without fear of a discharge. That happens on their own time not work time.

JW, DC

2/22/2011 9:26:55 AM ET
It is not about you or anyone really on this matter. Homosexuals serve and have always served. If you really think about it, whether you agree with it or not it has/is happening. If you think this change is to benefit homosexuals it is not really true, in some cases, once someone states that they are homosexual, showers and relationships will be burdened unlike in the cases where you do not know you would have automatically respect. This is not a black and white picture where you pass judgment upon looks; this is an after the fact judgment. Like if your leadership was assumed to be straight, what changes, unless you hear otherwise you then pass your judgment and conflicts will arise because of opinions and feelings. Everyone has the right to live free, if one chooses to sin we should never judge another. Living in denial does not change what has been happening.

A1C P, Hanscom AFB

2/22/2011 8:13:07 AM ET
The Bible is one of if not the most accurate historical documents in existence. It blows everything from ancient Greece and ancient Egypt out of the water. Don't believe me look it up. Also the Bible was not written by a man. Unlike most other religious texts it was written by many men, approx. 40 total, who show a shocking level of consistency on many topics to include faith sin and redemption. Don't insult it because you feel the need to validate yourself. On that note, if i don't have the right to control your sexuality, then you most certainly do not have the right to tell me how to feel about it. If i don't want to shower with a gay person that is my business. The left side is just as intolerant as the right stopping acting like your not.

J, FL

2/18/2011 6:44:55 PM ET
To All the Religious Zealots out there. Keep your intolerance out of my bedroom. God didn't write the Bible or the Koran, man did. It is a work of fiction. To those who think they're going to be magically relieved of their military obligations just because they don't agree with the new policy, you signed a contract. You will obey the legal orders of those appointed over you. Deal with it. As for the officers and senior NCOs who've retired, your opinion doesn't really count anymore now does it. To the military family members, if the military wanted your airman to have a family it would have been issued. Keep your opinions to yourself. And to those about to retire, thank you for your service and thank you for leaving. Your inflexible attitude and pigheadedness will not be missed. As for those of you who find it a horrible inconvenience to click through a CBT, Really? Seriously? To everyone: You VOLUNTEERED to serve your COUNTRY not just the people who lo... (rest of message missing)

Sgt DJ, MARB CA

2/18/2011 1:35:43 PM ET
MSgt ret just read the 90 comments below. Lots of people are arguing against this policy based on misunderstanding and ignorance. That's why we need training. The people who approach the training with an open mind will come to accept it but those who keep their mind closed will only get angrier and angrier and eventually leave the force. Sad thing is they'll have just convinced themselves that the Air Force has wronged them somehow.

Capt S, Missouri

2/18/2011 12:33:42 PM ET
I'm a Christian and I think that all Bible-thumpers need to look closely at their beliefs. Religious people who are close-minded give all religious people a bad name. The Bible tells us that we should strive to be like Jesus, who loved EVERYONE and died for ALL of our sins. Being a Christian is not about being intolerant, judgmental, and purposely cruel to anyone we consider a sinner. We have ALL sinned and fall short. Nobody is perfect. I have gay friends and I don't sit down and lecture them about how they're going to hell. It's not my place. It's not my job. My job is to LOVE MY NEIGHBOR and protect my country.

NW, Colorado

2/18/2011 11:48:36 AM ET
Why is training required to implement a policy of acceptance? Gays have lived openly in society for many years now. If airmen cannot accept them in their ranks then I wonder how they have lived in our society for the last 30 years. The arguement of morals does not hold water. We live in a free society and your religious or personal morals are yours alone and not to be forced on others beyond what the laws of our society mandate.

MSgt ret , Colorado

2/18/2011 8:40:48 AM ET
For the majority of people that are afraid gay men and women will hit on you or stare at you in the showers.....if you are not getting flirted with constantly by the opposite sex, good chances are that the same sex won't be attracted to you either. Don't think so highly of yourself, you are not that impressive.

A1C, little rock

2/17/2011 2:18:38 PM ET
I find it hysterical sitting back and reading all these comments. I see bible pushers talking about how we cant force them to condone something they believe is immoral or a sin however as an Airmen youre forced to condone any type of freedom of religion. Muslims believe its wrong to eat pork so are they not going to work with the billions of pork eating Americans that do? Mormons believe its a sin to get divorced but they still work with Airmen that do. Christians believe that the disbelief is God is a sin but they still work with people that do. My point is that some people dont think its wrong immoral or sinful to be gay and some people do. The good thing about freedom is that you dont have to agree with what someone else believes in and you dont have to like it but at the end of the day you will suck it up and color.

A1C Jimenez, Minot afb

2/16/2011 2:16:48 PM ET
There are plenty of people in the Air Force who think that drinking and smoking are immoral. Should we accomodate their beliefs and start kicking people out for that No that's silly. You may think that homosexuality is an abomination a sin a degenerate lifestyle or whatever but your beliefs are far from universal and absolute. There are people who have different beliefs than you and you'll be expected to treat them respect regardless of your differences. You've been given a special privilege because of your beliefs for decades and now you're acting like spoiled children because that privilege is being taken away. Grow up or get out.

Capt S, Missouri

2/16/2011 11:36:43 AM ET
@john...I will work with them to get the job done...mission first. The problem is, I refuse to stand naked in a shower next to a man who can be physically attracted to me. Men and women don't shower together so what makes this right?

Capt Wanna Retire, Maxwell

2/16/2011 10:29:56 AM ET
I hear people talking about how this is just another policy and as long as we follow it with integrity everything will be just fine. The problem with this line of thinking is in order to enact this policy we will have to violate other policies in place. It is AF policy that Airman of the opposite sex cannot cohabitate in the dorms or at TDY locations that are tent cities. Nor can they share the same bathroom or open bay showers. This is done for the obvious reason that people of opposite sexes are generally attracted to each other and we want to limit the possibility of any kind of impropriety. Now how do we proceed with this policy when openly gay people will be housed with people that they are attracted to? I know that not all gay people are attracted to hetero people just like all heteros are not attracted to each other. I just don't see how we can adopt this policy with integrity or even a semblance of fairness to all AF people.

MSgt, Beale

2/16/2011 7:57:23 AM ET
So what happens when a gay servicemember gets married in Massachusetts and then gets stationed in Virginia where it is not legal? This was never about gays serving. It never has been. This is just another way for a group of people to push their degenerate lifestyle. Period.

Philip, USA

2/16/2011 7:18:59 AM ET
Just remember this: It is ok to be openly gay now but it is still against UCMJ to sodomize or have sex in any other than the missionary position. Maybe think twice before openly admitting.

Sgt D, deployed

2/16/2011 6:21:23 AM ET
John that is so far from the truth. The Air Force maintains a strong force to help deter war not to begin one. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but no one likes to have something they believe is morally wrong jammed down their throats. I do not force heterosexuality on people who do not believe in it and I expect the same in return. You cannot force me to believe homosexuality is an accepted lifestyle because of everything I believe in and I should just deal with it. DADT was perfectly fine but politicians had to take it one step further and try to force homosexuality acceptance on everyone. I am proud to have served my country for so long but I am glad to be retired and enjoying life.

Jim MSgt Ret., Ohio

2/16/2011 2:08:24 AM ET
Most of people's fear is the bathroom scenario. The fear of "is he or she checking me out." Get over yourselves. The last thing on my mind during basic was just to be able to enjoy longer minutes, yes minutes, in the shower. Please stop using the Bible. If that is the case, all of us are going to hell right now. Do most of you Bible quoters think you are perfect? Just look at the world we live in now. So don't even go there.

Maica, Lackland AFB

2/16/2011 1:56:01 AM ET
To those that talked about standards... If I recall correctly, gays and lesbians couldn't handle our standards like they were. If they could handle them, why did they want to change them to their liking? Sounds like hypocrites to me. We might as well quit abiding by Geneva Conventions since we apparently dont care about morals.

Test Subject 227, US

2/15/2011 9:06:28 PM ET
A few questions. Who will have to conform the moral leader who calls homosexuality a moral wrong or the homosexual activist who confronts his moral stance? Who gets to define what is right and what is wrong? What is the next immoral behavior to be normalized?

Zeke, Tyndall

2/15/2011 7:16:53 PM ET
UCMJ Article 125

AF Cop, BAFB

2/15/2011 7:06:56 PM ET
People stop your whining. Gay people are not going to hurt you. They are not going to get you sent to hell. And their personal lifestyle is not going to affect you in any way. Its silly that we are in the 20th Century and still seem to be having problems accepting a man or womans' lifestyle preference when there are so much more pressing matters happening in the world. While you sit at your computers whining because of a CBT or the fact that you may have to work with an openly gay person scary I know. There are people who are actually fighting some dying for something they believe in and is actually worth fighting for. Whether it be our fellow soldiers in Afghanistan or the people of Egypt. Significant events that can actually affect one or a group of people. Not this. Who cares. Let a man or a woman be gay. Why not let them be married. Who are you to decide what makes someone else happy Stop throwing out the Bible card for a minute and remember that the text was written by MAN.

Anon, DC

2/15/2011 6:42:50 PM ET
I guess this warm welcome mentality towards sexual preference or conduct means that the military will stop taking disciplinary action against adultery. It is going to become increasingly difficult to enforce disciplinary action against offenses such as adultery when you open the door to openly accepting things such as homosexuality. To those who think a lot of this is just hatred towards homosexuals you are wrong. This is common sense. It will only be a short while before you have an individual flirting or playing with someone of the same sex who is opposed to homosexuality. Yes just like men hitting on women who aren't interested. This will result in fights or other unwanted retaliation. Then when it comes time to hand out punishment for the altercation it becomes an argument of He was provoking or sexually harassing me vs. He isn't accepting of homosexuals. At least it will be interesting to see how this train wreck unfolds.

Brad, Dallas

2/15/2011 6:04:08 PM ET
This is, of course, a serious issue, one that must be confronted well ahead of time and in a professional manner as the article states. At the same time, the months following the repeal are going to be both eye-opening and HILARIOUS. Looking forward to it.

Spaz, NM

2/15/2011 5:08:50 PM ET
@Mr. Integrity Oregon: how can they outlaw something that's not a law to begin with?

MM, FL

2/15/2011 5:05:06 PM ET
Coincidentally this comes at a time when the AF needs to trim its ranks once again...sounds like the all you poor old-fashion god fearing religious-moral beings can take advantage of the wave of personnel cuts and save your soul from 'sin'. Do remember though the military is only but a fingerprint of the real world out there, your neighbor doctor taxpreparer little league coach or just about anyone could be sinful too...so antartica

NewGen, AZ

2/15/2011 4:56:13 PM ET
I hope as a result of this the ultra religous conservatives leave the service.

BF, Oklahoma

2/15/2011 3:53:11 PM ET
Okay, hypocrites. 'Thou shalt not kill' Why did you join the force? For the benefits? 'Thou shalt not have homosexuals' in military is NOT a commandment.

Quiv Erlips, On Base

2/15/2011 3:22:11 PM ET
Supertroopers, here we come. If this is to be implemented correctly, a CBT isn't going to cut it. Co-ed sleeping arrangements and co-ed showers are the way to go. We are the military. Adapt and overcome. Nothing says we are supposed to like it.

Maintenance chic, MD

2/15/2011 3:03:22 PM ET
Funny I don't remember this being a Christian Air Force...I'm pretty sure the military defends and represents people of MANY different religions as well as the non-religious. Oh yeah...it's in the UCMJ too Freedom of religion. Sorry if you believe the Bible says different...if your beliefs preclude you from serving DON'T SERVE It's pretty simple

Gene Ween, Florida

2/15/2011 2:33:51 PM ET
Since the AF relies so much on the air to hold one up i.e. air planes one would think they would rely more on the One who made the air. The Israelis have it politically correct they have named their Airline EL AL literally the Hand of God. Maybe USAF should take instruction from the Hebrew children and no amount of persuasion could make me accept this perversion. I am glad I am retiring this PC garbage will go straight to Hades along with the practitioners of the lifestyle.

Linda, CAFB

2/15/2011 2:32:29 PM ET
DADT is the best policy for ALL persuasions. Forcing people who have strong religious feelings to accept something just because it is PC is not any more fair than forcing gays out. Why is it suddenly the religious are being ostricized for their beliefs? Those who preach we should be accepting do not seem to hold true to thier own word by criticizing the religious. You cannot have it both ways. I aslo wonder what will the living aragnements be now in both the dorms and base housing. What about the community showers for both male and femnale? Yes of course I understand that just because you are gay you want everyone of your gender but if everyone knows you are gay and you're in the shower with the rest who are not problems Will arise. Although I believe who you date is Your business I would not want my family forced to accept neighbors who do not represent or respect My views. Now that I have spoken out against the new policy I very much expect to be chastized for not being PC.

Phantom411, Texas

2/15/2011 2:30:02 PM ET
There should be a CBT on how to deal with the hypocritical bible thumpers in the Air Force.

Riley, Down Under

2/15/2011 2:13:21 PM ET
I wasn't aware the bible was part of the constitution... if thats the case SMSgt Clingman from Alabama I hope you stop eating shellfish or wearing cottonnylon ABUs because the bible said those are abominations too.Leviticus 119-12 Leviticus 1919

Lt, SJAFB

2/15/2011 2:12:50 PM ET
I am a Christian and I do not agree with homosexuality. But that does not mean I will not serve next to them. I have in the past and have not had an issue with it. If that's the way they chose to live their lives then so be it. We will all never agree with how people live their lives as to what is right and wrong.

William, BAFB

2/15/2011 2:11:50 PM ET
Okay, my last comment on this issue. For all the folks here who are saying this violates your Christian principles, you do realize that the entire point of the Air Force is to kill people, right? When we get down to brass tacks, our job is to turn living people into dead people. You're fine with that but have a problem serving with gays and lesbians because the bible says it's wrong?

John, San Antonio

2/15/2011 2:06:00 PM ET
For all the people who are leaving or retiring because of this change, you do realize that you are MORE likely to have to work with openly gay and lesbian people outside the military. Unless you're planning on moving to a monestary somewhere this is just how the world is now. Sticking your head in the sand isn't going to help matters any.

John, San Antonio

2/15/2011 1:47:14 PM ET
Good Lord, just get it over with already. Leadership needs to fish or cut bait with all this. Repeal it or not. Just do something and move on.

Bill, Ohio

2/15/2011 1:39:53 PM ET
I was just watching a show the other day about this. It showed a lt. col. and said that he had been openly gay in his squadron for some odd years now. Alright thats acceptable but if there is one leadership that is homosexual then theres got to be more. To get to my point what if they decide to be openly gay and people under him do not find it acceptable? What if it conflicts with one of his airmans moral standards and that airman stops listening to their commander over something as trivial as this? In short this can cause a lot of unncessary insubordinate airman and certainly a lot more unnecessary problems.

A1C What the.., Lackland AFB

2/15/2011 1:23:07 PM ET
@ I Did It I'll be getting out soon too and I can't wait. But that doesn't mean I'm going to spend the rest of my time whining and complaining. I have a job to do and every day that I wear the uniform I will do it well. I just hope before I leave that I get to work with some grownups. Seriously guys.

JR, GA

2/15/2011 1:17:45 PM ET
So when the first openly homosexual individual volunteers to augment the golden flow check, will this cause concern and stage fright?

David, MS

2/15/2011 1:16:15 PM ET
how long before the US Supreme court has this on their plate within a year DOD and Fed Govt' will be faced with discrimiation suits that the supreme court will have to rule on. here's the senario: Amn at Travis AFB in Ca. get married to their partner in a ceremony in a state that recogizes same sex and legalized marriage. They have a licence signed by a judge stating they are legally married. BUT the DOD states that they dont recognize same sex marriage according to the Defense Marriage Act. SO...I personally don't care what your orientation is but I truely don't believe that leadership really thought this through because this is going to force the Fed and DOD to rule on same sex marriage at a national level as opposed to dodging that bullet by kicking it to the states. Watch the fire storm that is coming.

j, Tx

2/15/2011 1:04:47 PM ET
To those who keep referencing other militaries and their policies towards homosexuality -- there are also A LOT of militaries that choose to let their men wear beards and have longer hair than ours does. Since we are now comparing us with them, maybe we should change our regulations on those too. I mean, they are functioning just as well with the longer hair and beards. Just saying we are COMPLETELY our own entity and should not be compared to another military.

Dubya, RAFL

2/15/2011 12:38:07 PM ET
I hope they redo the sexual assult discrimination cbt to protect the heteros from unwanted advances.

TLL, WP

2/15/2011 12:10:33 PM ET
Integrity First and Don't Ask Don't tell are incompatible. The repeal was reckless legislation without concern for the consequences. Homosexuality is an immoral behavior, not a condition at birth like race or gender. We God-fearing servicemen now have a terrible quandary. This will not make our military stronger.

Charles Randall, Hershey PA

2/15/2011 11:48:14 AM ET
For those saying you need separate bathrooms, that's ridiculous. Whether you are gay or straight, you are still male and female. Get over it. I'm not gay but I have no problem with people who are. And don't start swinging the Bible in my direction. It wasn't that long ago if you were African American you were evil and immoral according to the bible. Now you want to do the same thing to gays.

SSgt USAF, USA

2/15/2011 11:35:46 AM ET
I don't understand why people are making a big deal about homosexuals in the military. They have as much right to defend the U.S. as straights do. The same sexual assult rules will apply just as they do with heterosexuals. Leave your politics at home. They bleed the same color of blood that you bleed, breathe the same air you breathe, and fight the same enemy you fight.

Wow Seriously, Beale AFB

2/15/2011 10:29:25 AM ET
The implementation of the repeal is facing the same scrutiny when women and blacks wanted to serve in the military. The same religious right was quoting the bible and saying how it was going to destroy our moral and social fibers. Generals and such were saying how it was going to destroy unit cohesion. Do you serve with blacks and women This is just history repeating itself as another group emerges from discrimination. The question is who to discriminate against now

KM, CA

2/15/2011 10:29:02 AM ET
I guess the Air Force had better outlaw Romans 124-27. We wouldn't want those evil Christians messing this up for everyone. What are you going to do chaplains, have integrity to God or these foolish men?

Mr. Integrity, Oregon

2/15/2011 9:53:14 AM ET
All the people that are slamming Jay about calling CBTs needless need to look back a few years ago when we were told that they were going to do away with useless CBTs. CBTs is the Air Forces way of Saving money and like the way MPF has evolved made things more un-personal un-customer service oriented. The problem with lifting the band on gays openly serving isn't gays openly serving. The problem is being CBT'ed to death. If anyone has served 20 years or more in the military and then say they have not served with a gaylesbian person during that time I would be willing to call them a liar. I was in Desert ShieldStorm with an individual that was gay. I didn't care about his sexuality. Neither did anyone else. He was a good worker and was a respected individual. That's all that mattered. Homosexuality is nothing new. It's been around since the beginning of time. If not God wouldn't have mentioned it the Book of Exodus.

Mark, Moody

2/15/2011 9:37:41 AM ET
I can't wait to take my CBT on this issue. This is exciting.

Vicki, Pope Army Air Field

2/15/2011 9:29:19 AM ET
Dually Noted. I don't think you really want DADT implemented for everyone. If you were married and had kids you would have to keep their existence hidden because they would be evidence of your heterosexuality. You wouldn't be able to bring them to your promotion ceremony or talk about them with your coworkers or take time off for an emergency. If anyone found out that you were married and had kids you would be kicked out for being openly heterosexual. Sounds pretty unreasonable doesn't it?

Capt S, Missouri

2/15/2011 9:23:34 AM ET
Tim and others Lots of people think that drinking and smoking are sins but we don't kick people out for drinking and smoking. At the same time we don't tell those people that they have to change their beliefs. Nobody is going to tell you that you can't believe homosexuality is a sin. But we're no longer going to accomodate your beliefs by kicking out anyone that you think is a sinner. Remember NOBODY is without sin.

Capt S, Missouri

2/15/2011 9:20:49 AM ET
How many times has the military gone through a major change like this? Some people may not like it enough to get out that's fine for them... thanks for your service now have a nice day. Ending segregation, letting women in fighter planes both were met with similar resistance. Was it difficult? I'm sure it was but we're as strong as ever. Except for the time we spend doing CBTs of course...

SSgt, NoDak

2/15/2011 9:14:18 AM ET
Slippery slope. This will open the doors to more afffected groups to push for entry into the service. Transgedners, Mentally disabled, paralyzed, Where does it stop? CAN it stop? And if so when does discrimination become NON discriminatory? Age discrimination happens on a daily basis. women only have to do a percentage of the PT requirements the men do. personal grooming standards are not the same. women allowed in combat front line positions.....This is going to usher in ALOT of change and difficulties.

JG, SD

2/15/2011 9:07:40 AM ET
Definitely not excited about the additional training. Whatever happened to the policy memo? However regarding DADT.-- I could care less. I don't agree with the lifestyle based on religious grounds. However the individual has signed the dotted line just as others have done and is thus willing to put their life on the line for our country. My religious beliefs tell me to love the sinner not the sin. This translates to the office as well-- Appreciate what they are doing for our country not what they are doing in the bedroom. Just my two cents.

Yosemite Sam, New England

2/15/2011 8:52:11 AM ET
I am so glad I retired before this went into effect. If I were a person of color I would be insulted by the people who equate race with homosexuality and say that they were born gay as if it is the same as being born black or brown or yellow or red. The greatest moral guide around the Bible is pretty clear that one man was made for one woman and anything else is not natural. It doesn't say a thing about skin color. That doesn't make me homophobic although many would try to make you believe that. It is a belief in the way life is supposed to be lived and a moral value I have that the AF is trying to take away. The Bible also isn't against gays it's against gay acts. I also do not hate those that claim to be gay I hate the sin that goes with it. Freedom of speeck unless you happen to be a Christian...

Paul, San Antonio

2/15/2011 8:35:12 AM ET
I'm curious too. So, don't ask, don't tell huh? So this applies to just sex or all areas of our personal life? And what will the bathroom situation be? Do we all just go together now? Is there still going to be separation in basic training? I'm seriously curious. And as for religious aspects, are we telling our chaplains they can no longer pray for those who sin becaus in the military it's not a sin anymore? So who is the Higher Power for the military? Just curious.

Curious, twilight zone

2/15/2011 8:29:54 AM ET
There's a ridiculous amount of Bible-thumping in these comments.

SSgt Sean, Afghanistan

2/15/2011 7:46:59 AM ET
No amount of training will affect my decision about homosexuals. Homosexual behavior is immoral, sinful and an abomination to God. First and foremost, God is my authority, especially on this issue.

SMSgt Coach Clingman, Alabama Air National Guard

2/15/2011 7:01:58 AM ET
There have been gay in the military since the beginning of time. The attitudes people have on homosexuals now serving in the military are the same type of people in the past who said blacks and women should not be able to serve in the same military as whites and men. That seems to have worked out just fine. Grow up and take the CBT. How many remember when you would have to sit through endless hours in a base theater to get this training. Take the 30 minutes out of your day and complete the CBT and then get on with your day. As much as you hate to think the landscape of the armed forces is going to change just because homosexuals can finally serve and be open about who they really are maybe you need to take a long hard look at yourself. I don't agree on a lot of the the CJCS says but in the case of him basically saying if you don't like it retire paraphrasing of course. I totally agree the armed forces does not need a bunch of closed minded biggots and homophobes.

Andy, Virginia

2/15/2011 3:34:38 AM ET
I am not a homosexual but I do not have any problem with someone who is. I have a problem with all of you who keep thumping your bibles while telling others they are wrong. It must be easy to point fingers and tell others their lifestyle isn't suitable for you. I will proudly serve next to anyone of any color, race, religion, or sexual orientation. Perhaps some of you should think about what that red, white and blue cloth really stands for. Freedom!

Danny, RAFL

2/15/2011 2:54:13 AM ET
I see a lot of people on here saying they will not compromise their beliefs with this new policy. But take a hard look and tell me you havent compromised some of your beliefs already. For those religious folks does that mean you would not pull the trigger and take another human life when call to do so Religion, sexual orientation, marital status, race or age should have nothing to do with your duty once you put that uniform on. Im sure there were many people who said they would not serve if there were blacks or Asians or women serving next to them. Well we made that transition already. The big hurdle to overcome will be how do we deal with all the new harassment and favoritism claims that will be generated. We live in interesting times.

Leader, Germany

2/14/2011 11:35:24 PM ET
I think that your religious views should be just like the sexual views... DON'T ASK, DON'T TELL. Chaplain exempted. America's military isn't the first or only military to accept homosexuals. What does it matter to you what anyone's personal life is? As a military person, you have rules and standards. This is just another standard that everyone should follow. Just kick out ONE tolerance CBT instead of multiple CBTs addressing every situation.

Nivee, D.C.

2/14/2011 11:33:15 PM ET
When I joined it was illegal and then it became private now it is optional. The problem is leaders like sqauadron CCs and SNCOs will now have to be PC and endorse it with words from our own mouths. Affectively we'll have to condone a behavior in public that we may not in our private lives. This is hypocritical and divided. Integrity of a person is the absence of this very division. I see lots of principal-based retirements ahead. Ought to be good for force shaping. BTW, did anyone else notice the tone of the AFN commercials on Super Bowl Sunday or was it just me?

Ken, Down Range

2/14/2011 9:37:41 PM ET
POTUS SECDEF and CJCS are on the RIGHT side of history. Who's side do you want to be on? You serve in the US Military we stand for truth justice and the American Way. The American Way stands up for people without a voice or a lesser voice. The American Way speaks for those who cannot speak on behalf of themselves. The American Way serves justice to all mankind. Maybe those who oppose the DADT repeal should ask themselves if they favor equal rights for their fellow Americans. And if those 30 percent still feel the way they do then they should sever their connection with the military. All individuals regardless of sexual orientation should be eligible to serve THEIR country and it is THEIR country it's not just your country.

SSgt , MacDill AFB

2/14/2011 9:26:27 PM ET
Bye... That's all I've got to say to the narrow minded religious minded folks who can't fathom serving next to any one individual of a different sexual orientation. POTUS, SECDEF, CJCS made it pretty clear. BYE, you guys.

SSgt, MacDill AFB

2/14/2011 9:03:29 PM ET
To all those who are glad to be retiring I'm glad you are retiringretired. It's just as nonsensical and a waste of time for you to be on here expressing how you are unable to accept a gay lifestyle. We wouldn't have to do these CBTs if ignorance wasn't in place, but since our world is yet full of ignorance we will continue to do these CBTs. Whether we are Air Force Army Marines we join our military to possibly sacrifice the most precision things to us: our lives and you are worried about whether or not a homosexual man or woman is serving next to you. This wasn't repealed so people could go around expressing their sexuality, this was repealed so a man or woman could go into the military and not have to hide who they are as a person. As many of you aren't aware the suicide rate in homosexual lifestyles is very high because of the harassment that takes place. Our military is already crippled by the amount of suicides and diagnosed PTSD victims.

Mitch, Andrews AFB

2/14/2011 8:46:30 PM ET
To everybody commenting on the CBT component of this policy change: Yes, it is merely a CYA for our leadership so they can say they told us so and then justify punishment for those who step out of line and voice their opinions after the change. There is zero utility in this so-called training as no new information can possibly be communicated. To all you true believers in our system I say prove me wrong.

Straight Shooter, OCONUS

2/14/2011 6:24:48 PM ET
@ JR in GA. I used to dislike people who would use the old "if you don't like it find another line of work line." Well, I decided not to re-enlist after 10 years of BS and it was the best decision I've ever made. Thanks for the great advice and keep drinking that AF kool-aide You will see the light one day...

I did it, The Big T

2/14/2011 5:19:58 PM ET
Tim, I share your views also and you put it exactly how it is. I too do not dislike homosexuals but their choice of lifestyle I will always see as wrong. With the implimentation of this policy the AF will expect us to violate the Integrity First. It's a shut up and color policy.

R, SAFB

2/14/2011 5:08:55 PM ET
We were getting on just fine with DADT in effect. You dont ask and you dont tell. No one wants to know your sexual orientation and i dont really care for making a publicized announcement that i am straight either but thats just me. Its no ones business but that persons. Apply DADT to everyone instead of taking it away. Makes more sense and saves more time since no one really talked about it in a professional enviornment anyways.

Dually Noted, Lackland AFB

2/14/2011 4:12:56 PM ET
No amount of CBTs could make me compromise my morale or religeous views on this issue. Hope to retire this year and leave it all behind. IF they were not already halfway to retirement Im sure a large chunk of the 30 percent that disagreed with this change would probably go with me.

Capt Wanna Retire, Maxwell

2/14/2011 4:12:27 PM ET
No amount of CBTs could make me compromise my morale or religeous views on this issue. Hope to retire this year and leave it all behind. IF they were not already halfway to retirement Im sure a large chunk of the 30 percent that disagreed with this change would probably go with me.

Capt Wanna Retire, Maxwell

2/14/2011 4:11:29 PM ET
Core values; What do the airmen who honestly believe homosexuality is a sinful perverted action do once this policy enacted? Do they ignore the core value of integrity and pretend everything is great or do they truthfully acknowledge they think that lifestyle is wrong and get kicked out? What a world we live in when you get in trouble for calling sin sin but you are accepted for practicing it. Before I am accused of being homophobic please understand I dont hate homosexuals. I just cannot sit by and pretend there is nothing wrong with that lifestyle.

Tim, CAFB

2/14/2011 4:05:22 PM ET
Happy to say I won't be dealing with the issues this change is sure to bring. Just reading this story tells me how much time will have to be invested on an issue that has nothing to do with defending this nation. Good luck. I think you're going to need it.

Tim, New Mexico

2/14/2011 3:49:25 PM ET
Remember when they changed the trng because they said we did too much trng? They didn't get rid of the CBTs they just renamed the catagories - so we are still accomplishing just as much trng as before.

trng mngr, usaf

2/14/2011 3:20:13 PM ET
I agree...we don't have enough CBT's so we are going to continue to add needless training to our already full and busy schedules.

SJK, Lackland AFB

2/14/2011 2:48:53 PM ET
I agree people's sexuality is no one's business but thier own. HOWEVER it is wrong that people have been singled out and punished for it. There is no reason why anyone should be denied their rights especially if they are brave enough to serve and defend their country. My only question about lifting the law at this time is Will the other laws that coincide with the DADT Policy ie-UCMJ be changed as well?

Really People, LAFB

2/14/2011 2:45:43 PM ET
I am not sure what all the hoopla is about. It's a policy in the military we are who we are because of policy. As long as those that are gay or lesbian abide by policy do not compromise their integrity and conduct themselves professionally what is the big deal? We can complain about CBTs all day but in the end we still have to do them. To you Speciman, no one can stop anyone from expressing their opinions andor rally's against anything. Just as long as you abide by that policy that the military as set forth.

Memo, Texas

2/14/2011 1:28:23 PM ET
I love this line: Face-to-face training is the Air Force-preferred training method but in the event that this is not possible computer-based training is authorized to facilitate training completion. Apparently that sentence was sent into the future from 1993 or so.

L.S., Florida

2/14/2011 12:26:41 PM ET
Attitudes like Jay's will be one of the biggest impediments to this process. I hope Jay will reread General Schwartz's first sentence in this article or otherwise find another line of work and stop slowing the rest of us down. If he thinks CBTs are a waste of time he should try babysitting grown men.

JR, GA

2/14/2011 10:41:31 AM ET
Glad to be retiring

Bryan, Lackland

2/14/2011 10:35:02 AM ET
Can't wait to hear how anyone who disagrees with this is wrong and should be punished. I'm sure it's coming What happened to people conforming to military standards? Now the military is trying to conform to society. Like Adm. Mullen said maybe it's time for me to Vote with my feet.

Mark, Creech

2/14/2011 10:34:40 AM ET
The paradigm has shifted and you are there. Pay attention to the things you now need to know. For active duty personnel your future success literally hinges on whether you can make this transtion. If you cannot personally make this transition resignation or leaving at the end of your enlistment would be the best advice I could offer. Nobody said serving your country would be easy it wasn't during my years either. Good luck Airmen.

The Old Retired Guy, San Antonio

2/14/2011 8:13:34 AM ET
I never really cared about this whole issue because it has nothing to do with me but now it's going to add yet one more 'put me to sleep' CBT to the list. I'm sure I'm wrong and it will be very informational and intuitive. What's next?

Dan, Salt Lake City Utah

2/14/2011 7:46:51 AM ET
We welocme the training

JFR, San Antonio Texas

2/13/2011 11:47:03 PM ET
We pity Orthodox Christian chaplains and commanders forced to implement this pc and flawed policy.

Mac, Clearwater Fla.

2/13/2011 11:39:10 PM ET
I agree with Jay. Are these CBTs some type of liability write-off for senior leaders? The way I approach training is that if someone is taking time out of their day to teach me something it must be important so I listen. When I'm being trained by poorly coded software I typically click the forward arrow at supersonic speeds while trying not to bash my face into my keyboard. The way to reach your troops senior leaders is not through AF Portal...

Mike, Misawa AB Japan

2/13/2011 7:38:09 PM ET
Mark my words...a headline within the next few months will read first openly gay solider dies in combat. Why do we need to ask or tell about our sexuality? Young men and women support and defend the constitution...I do not need to know their sexual orientation to appreciate that. Sexual orientation of either persuasion should not be asked about or told about in the military or any professional workplace. Don't ask don't tell was a great policy but should have been applied to all discussions of a sexual nature.

Maj at LRAFB, Little Rock AFB

2/13/2011 7:16:03 AM ET
I agree with Jay as this being another useless CBT. People are going to say and do what they please regardless of some stupid CBT. Also there is already a LARGE percentage of individuals who work with people who are gay and have for awhile. Stop acting like this is something new and trying to cover your own butt.

Megan, Middle of Nowhere

2/12/2011 1:43:02 PM ET
This is very unfortunate as a lot of highly trained and valuable airmen will be leaving the service because of this law.

pf, Mo

2/12/2011 12:19:51 PM ET
I am sooooo glad I am retired so I don't have to put up with this non sense.

John Retired Msgt, Sacramento

2/12/2011 8:02:31 AM ET
What a waste of time. Give me the CBT so I can click through the slides while eating lunch. More yadda yadda yadda.

Who Cares, Pentagon

2/12/2011 3:07:38 AM ET
Training is another word for quota washout of UPT well claim you are gay and you are back in don't like your performance report or promotion result opine about gay bias. On the other hand maybe all this training is about treating every single airman as if they are homosexual as well that way everyone is the same.

Tom, Retired

2/12/2011 2:11:59 AM ET
If the Air Force wants this to be a success however that is defined this should not be offered through a CBT.

Caveman, Bedrock

2/12/2011 1:37:27 AM ET
Please there weren't already enough CBTs to track. ... abandon everything you've ever been raised to believe two guys and a ferret can get married now since the Bible no longer applies to our social construct. Good luck with it all.

Scott, Seattle

2/11/2011 9:25:59 PM ET
I am awaiting open discussion. Maybe I can ask for another survey to be sent out to 20 percent of the force and families if we can change some other so called silly rules like the hands in your pocket rule and make it openly acceptable to have your hands in your pockets. Cause I feel like it is against my integrity to lie to myself that I don't want to put mind hands in my pockets when it is freezing cold outside. I will also ask to change the rules on protesting so that the heterosexual population can rally too against the military laws without fear of reprisal.

Speciman 100236.X84, alabama

2/11/2011 4:27:55 PM ET
Thank you for this story.

Sue, Portland Maine

2/11/2011 4:25:30 PM ET
Great another needless CBT to add to all the others. Waste of time.

Jay, Barksdale

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