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Staff Sgt. Sarah Mrak, an AC-130U Spooky aircraft aerial gunner with the 4th Special Operations Squadron, loads a 105 mm gun Feb. 3, 2011, during a training mission at Hurlburt Field, Fla. The AC-130U is the primary weapon of Air Force Special Operations Command. Its primary missions are close air support, air interdiction and armed reconnaissance. The AC-130U is equipped with side-firing, trainable 25 mm, 40 mm and 105 mm guns. (U.S. Air Force photo by Master Sgt. Jeremy T. Lock)
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New AFSC merges certain gunners, engineers, loadmasters

Posted 8/6/2012   Updated 8/9/2012 Email story   Print story

    

8/6/2012 - WASHINGTON (AFNS) -- Some 924 enlisted aviators will find themselves with a new Air Force specialty code Oct. 31.

The new career field, 1A9X1 Special Missions Aviation, will merge aerial gunners with flight engineers on vertical lift aircraft, such as the HH-60 Pave Hawk and CV-22 Osprey, with loadmasters on AC-130 Gunships and other non-standard aircraft used by special operations forces.

"The new career field was created to balance and sustain the career enlisted aviator force and to create a larger pool of qualified personnel to perform the duties required to meet the needs of current and future Air Force's missions," said Chief Master Sgt. Douglas Massingill, the career field manager for career enlisted aviators.

Master Sgt. Matthew Ardis, career enlisted aviator in-service recruiter, expanded on that point.

He said merging the career field of aerial gunners, which typically overflows with new applicants, and the career field of certain loadmasters and flight engineers, which often suffers from manning shortages, results in the sustainable balance of which Massingill referred.

The merger won't be too drastic for most of the affected Airmen, Ardis said, since many gunner duties already overlap with those of engineers and loadmasters.

"Flight engineers have been working guns since the guns have been on the aircraft," Ardis said.

The learning curve might be slightly steeper for loadmasters, but Ardis said he expects them to catch on quickly because, while they may not typically fire aircraft guns, they still have familiarity with their basic function and operation.

The requirements for Airmen or new recruits interested in joining the special missions aviation career field include the ability to:
· pass a class III flight physical,
· score at least 60 on the mechanical portion or 57 on the general portion of the armed services vocational aptitude battery test,
· lift 70 pounds
· and obtain a secret security clearance.

Airmen looking to retrain into this career field can contact Master Sgt. Matthew Ardis at cea.recruiting@pentagon.af.mil or (703) 697-1717.

(Editor's note: We incorrectly listed the HH-60 helicopter in this story as a Black Hawk. The U.S. Air Force actually flies the HH-60 Pave Hawk. We apologize for any confusion this may have caused.)



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9/7/2012 2:58:19 PM ET
Look at this as an opportunity The Air Force has offered you an opportunity to excel in a new AFS. The transition across different airframes is offered here as well it makes it easier to manage several airframe CEAs. This will be what you make of it no different than your career. The Air Force has offered me three opportunities to transition and I took all of them with enthusiasm and vigor Sleprock was a pessimist with a horrible mantra wowzy wowzy woowoo. Life is really easy when you start looking at life as an optimist. Come on HEROES Man-up and fly like you want to not like you have to.
Davis Al, Randolph AFB TX
 
8/29/2012 1:33:25 PM ET
I am not so sure that this is a great idea. CV22s have two flight engineers. We do everything already. The learning curve is steep for our new trainees. Plus I have no dream of ever being a load or gunner on an AC-130. Where is Commando look when you need it Plus in the end you are locked into a CSAR or AFSOC life the rest of your career. If you had dreams of flying another airframe later in life forget it.
CVFE, HurlburtCannon
 
8/10/2012 11:03:22 PM ET
I know we are the black sheep of the vert lift family, but uh-1n huey community is also a part of this...
Zach, minot
 
8/9/2012 11:31:15 PM ET
so does this mean the AC130 loadies get to do a real job? doing a canned form F and scanning isn't too hard.
bs, ks
 
8/9/2012 12:19:12 PM ET
@Marvin Beacham: Your comment makes me feel the same way...but about your comment not the article
PC, WSMR
 
8/9/2012 10:16:58 AM ET
The USAF does not fly the Blackhawk we fly the Pave Hawk. Please correct the article.
Smarter than you, Tucson AZ
 
8/8/2012 4:50:38 PM ET
For FE worldwide, we are not transition to become FE's, we are merging with multiple career fields once again. FE's will no longer exsit on vertical lift airframes only on fixed wing aircraft.
GUNNER, Nellis
 
8/8/2012 3:22:30 PM ET
Wait a second there wasn't one mention of the requirements for becoming a FE one must possess a 5 skill level in another career field. This is fine for Gunners and Loads going FE and vise versa but this new career field is opening up to new kids.
FE, World Wide
 
8/8/2012 1:44:12 PM ET
This seems like a fairly smart move on the Af's part. Not sure it will save much money but it will certainly increase the pool of qualified enlisted aviators for the CSAR and AFSOC community. The only thing I question is the difficulty for 60 guns training up on FE duties. I know the gunners are smart enough to do the job I just imagine the training of all the 60 guns on FE duties will take a significant amount of time considering the high demand for 60 air frames. There is a fair amount of crossover between FE and gunner duties but I'm not sure about the crossover between gunner and FE. Also will the retraining of current FEs and guns be conducted at their units or at KABQ I'd imagine at their units right
Ole MissUSAF, Atlanta GA
 
8/7/2012 8:10:54 PM ET
Actually the HH-60 is called a Pave Hawk. Blackhawks are UH-60s.
Knowitall, Moody
 
8/7/2012 5:09:34 PM ET
This makes a lot of sense. Beside the fact that the amount of gunners in AF has decreased over the years the job that FE's do on HH-60's and the CV-22 is vastly different than that of a conventional FE on fixed wing aircraft. For instance the job of a CV-22 FE touches at least a half dozen other AFSC's to include an Officer AFSC or two. Loadmasters on NSAV's are performing FE duties and are sometimes referred to a LOADGINEERS. This is a good thing and is long overdue.
Jim, Hurlburt
 
8/7/2012 2:55:41 PM ET
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BT, Moffett
 
8/7/2012 3:02:56 AM ET
If there is only one other helicopter besides the HH-60 why not name it Also how many Blackhawks does the Air Force maintain and fly
Excluded, MI
 
8/7/2012 1:53:45 AM ET
Looks like this COULD require additional training for the 924 flight crew members, so I'm not sure how much money this would save immediately. It seems to make sense for the long-term though. Good luck to everyone involved.
Bob Baldwin, Friendsville TN
 
8/6/2012 7:32:38 PM ET
This is one of the most dumbest things I have read in a long time.
Marvin Beacham, Afghanistan
 
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