60 dams in Brazil's Amazon? Controversy spills over into 'Earth Summit II'

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Brazil's biggest infrastructure project -- the $11 billion Belo Monte dam -- is also its most controversial, and one showcased at the international summit on June 20-22 in Rio de Janeiro held 20 years after the Earth Summit.

Striking a balance between economic drive and environmental protection is the challenge nations are pondering this week in Brazil at an event marking the 20th anniversary of the U.N.-backed Earth Summit.

Brazil faces that issue in its own backyard -- the Amazon. Deforestation has received plenty of attention in recent years, but lesser known is the plan to build 60 dams there -- including the $11 billion Belo Monte project. 

Expected to be producing electricity by 2015, Belo Monte will be the world's third largest dam. And if the name sounds familiar, it's because Sting and other celebrities helped block the dam in 1989.


But the project is back and, for Brazil's government, Belo Monte means thousands of local jobs and enough clean energy to power 27 million homes -- not to mention goodwill among those potential voters.

For some 20,000 people living near the site, Belo Monte means an altered way of life. Damming the Xingu River, some 2,000 miles north of "Earth Summit II" in Rio de Janeiro, will create a reservoir that floods existing homes and rainforest as well as reduce a 90-mile stretch downriver to "a tiny fraction" of its normal flow, says Philip Fearnside, a researcher at Brazil's National Institute for Research in Amazonia.

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The Belo Monte dam is among 60 Brazil plans to build in its Amazon region to help power its growing economy. But the vision also has its critics.

Flooded residents will be relocated and given some compensation, Fearnside notes, but those living along the 90-mile "dry stretch," including members of two tribes, were left out of those talks. For them, as well as local farmers and fishermen, a river that provided food, water and a highway will be gone.

On Friday, several hundred protesters occupied part of the site, timing it just ahead of the Rio summit, and even dug a channel through an earthen dam built for the project in a symbolic bid to "free the Xingu."

Amazon Watch, a U.S.-based activist group that helped organize the protest, is planning a second march in Rio on Tuesday.

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The Amazon rainforest has meant prosperous times for many in Brazil, but environmental and cultural disaster for others.

Fearnside is among those who don't buy the government argument. Most of any new electricity capacity will go to make exports, not power homes, he told msnbc.com.

Academy Award-winning director James Cameron discuss the environmental work Avatar inspired and his effort to prevent the Belo Monte dam.

"Only 27 percent of Brazil's electicity is for residential use. Most is for industries, including electro-intensive export commodities such as aluminum," he said. "Just the electricity exported in aluminum represents more than the production of Belo Monte."

"Brazil has many other alternatives," he added, starting with more of an effort to conserve energy.

Fearnside says a stretch of the Xingxu below the reservoir will be reduced to a "tiny fraction" of its current flow. He also suspects five smaller support dams will follow -- with unknown impacts on indigenous lands and the rainforest.

The reservoir itself will mean flooding a quarter of Altamira, a city of 130,000, as well as farms and rainforest, Fearnside noted.

A biologist at the government institute since 1978, Fearnside recently documented his concerns in an article for the Global Water Forum, writing that "the Brazilian government has launched an unprecedented drive to dam the Amazon’s tributaries, and Belo Monte is the spearhead for its efforts."

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After listing a history of weakened environmental protection, Fearnside wasn't optimistic for a balanced review of the pros and cons of dozens of dams in the Amazon.

"The stage appears set for breaking down Brazil’s environmental licensing system even further," he concluded, "opening the way for the many other controversial dams."

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In Brazil they have found a new loop hole to destroy the Environment call "SUSTAINABILITY". Many small towns in Amazon are using this new found loop hole to ram-sack their natural resources and are getting away with it.

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Reply#1 - Tue Jun 19, 2012 2:47 PM EDT

This is nothing new. Brazil is notorious for crossing the border to Venezuela and destroying their Amazon with their illegal mining operations (not to mention the stealing of the resources). They were even caught using Agent Orange for deforestation. Just shameless and needs to stop now!

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#1.1 - Tue Jun 19, 2012 3:42 PM EDT

By the way, I am an Amazonian from Brasil. I was born and raised in Amazon.So I know what I am talking about. Sou da cidade de Maues Amazonas.

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#1.2 - Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:13 PM EDT

Then you should know what I'm talking about, they call them Garimpeiros, I think, and yeah been happening

    #1.3 - Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:24 PM EDT

    The problem being that they are not going to listen to advice from the rest of the world. The rest of the world ruined their environment for fun and mainly profit and the monied interests are not going to miss their turn to do so. They will call the resistance hypocritical and justify the need to rape the environment based on their need to grow the economy. $$$$$$$ Ahhh! Capitalism at it's finest!

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    #1.4 - Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:45 PM EDT

    Is this going the way of "Confessions of an Economic Hitman" ? No no. Brazil is too big for that. But perhaps within Brazil there are power centers who want this...

      #1.5 - Tue Jun 19, 2012 5:27 PM EDT

      The fact that they completely ignored the impact on those down river of the dam site is inexcusable. These people rely on the river for food and transportation and all of that is going to be taken away. I do not know how anyone can claim that they are not being directly impacted by the dam. it sounds like typical government BS of defining words however they need to in order to do what they want. Hopefully they can still find a way to stop this project before it completely destroys these people's way of life.

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      #1.6 - Tue Jun 19, 2012 7:41 PM EDT

      As an american who lives less than five miles from a large electricity producing reservoir I don't believe I can righteously protest the decisions of another country. There is a reason it's called brazil and not america.

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      #1.7 - Tue Jun 19, 2012 9:35 PM EDT

      Blah, blah, blah.

      Next.

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      #1.8 - Tue Jun 19, 2012 9:44 PM EDT

      China remains the world’s biggest dam builder at home and abroad. Indeed, no country in history has built more dams than China, which boasts more dams than the rest of the world combined.

      Before the Communists came to power in 1949, China had only 22 dams of any significant size. Now the country has more than half of the world’s roughly 50,000 large dams, defined as having a height of at least 15 meters, or a storage capacity of more than three million cubic meters. Thus, China has completed, on average, at least one large dam per day since 1949. If dams of all sizes are counted, China’s total surpasses 85,000.

      According to the United Nations Food and Agriculture Organization, China’s dams had the capacity to store 562.4 cubic kilometers of water in 2005, or 20% of the country’s total renewable water resources. Since then, China has built scores of new dams, including the world’s largest: the Three Gorges Dam on the Yangtze River.

      China is also the global leader in exporting dams. Its state-run companies are building more dams overseas than all other international dam builders put together. Thirty-seven Chinese financial and corporate entities are involved in more than 100 major dam projects in the developing world. Some of these entities are very large and have multiple subsidiaries. For instance, Sinohydro Corporation – the world’s largest hydroelectric company – boasts 59 overseas branches.

      China’s over-damming of rivers and its inter-river and inter-basin water transfers have already wreaked havoc on natural ecosystems, causing river fragmentation and depletion and promoting groundwater exploitation beyond the natural replenishment capacity. And changing the rain patterns FOREVER...

      China also has trade agreements with many South American countries. The Brazil rain forest are being decimated for their forest products, to make way for these dams and the required service roads. Also, the natural resources are destine for CHINA...

      Between these dams and the land clearing for sugar cane/ethanol production, the 'Rain Forest' have been disappearing for DECADES...

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      #1.9 - Wed Jun 20, 2012 12:46 AM EDT

      If you think large hydro electric dams do not cause enviromental problems, read:

      1. China's Three Gorges Dam and Its. Impact on Water Environment. Wei - http://www.ndhealth.gov/MF/forms/presentations/ThreeGorgesDam.pdf

      2. Three Gorges Dam has caused urgent problems, says China - http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/may/19/china-three-gorges-dam

      3. Three Gorges Dam shrinks Yangtze delta - http://www.agu.org/news/press/jhighlight_archives/2007/2007-05-16.html

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      #1.10 - Wed Jun 20, 2012 12:57 AM EDT

      "we don't have to protect the environment, the second coming is at hand."

      James Watt, Ronald Reagan's Secretary of the Interior

      That might give you some idea why they wingnuts in this country don't give a damn about the environment, Jeebus is coming back to whisk them away to a "better" place with oyster spit gate and streets paved with shiny rocks where they can sit on clouds all day playing harps and kissing "gods" ass . I just hope he hurrys before they destroy the whole damn planet with their greed and stupidty for those of us who plan on hanging out after the rapture.

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      #1.11 - Wed Jun 20, 2012 2:24 AM EDT

      We do have to face the facts that our development choices do have results/impacts. I'm not against development, nor against the environment but I'm afraid that environmentalism doesn't address the realities as much as the rhetoric. Take as example all of the arrows being cast against the US, while China gets little attention. They use open pit fires to burn computer boards, releasing the toxic compounts into the air. They openly dump toxic manufacturing waste into their waters. They built a dam so large that it changed the earth's rotation (want environmental impact? How does changing the earth's rotation change the weather alone?), not to mention all of the land now under water that once did something else. The world doesn't seem to be concerned with "developing" countries, just the big dogs. That's wrong.

      With Brazil- the original poster said it well. They want money, so they find ways around the laws to mine, cut, etc. as they want. My great concern is that if you take the Amazon and change it significantly you will change some of the biggest lungs on earth. They contribute oxygen, humidity, fresh water to the region, flush nutrients, etc. into the ocean, as well as a number of other things I'll forget to add. We've got to be careful about our choices as once we've done in huge areas, then realize what they "did" we'll be too late.

      A closing example- I read an article about a scientist studying trees and AIDS. His crew surveyed some large rural areas in South America and their trees. Well, it turned out that one tree sampled had very high compound concentrations that they believed would push towards a cure/treatment for AIDS. They hopped on a plane and tried to find that tree, but the locals had cut the area to make some money and the tree was lost. Not that this isn't reality, but we don't know what's out there in nature and should consider the potential of natural cures, etc. that are there waiting to be found.

        #1.12 - Wed Jun 20, 2012 9:26 AM EDT

        They built a dam so large that it changed the earth's rotation . WTF? Lay off smoking that grass dude.

          #1.13 - Wed Jun 20, 2012 10:29 AM EDT
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          You can bet that the eco-terrorists will do their best to stop Brazil from being a prosperous nation. Obama will work hard to hurt Brazil using his EPA, NOAA, and NASA fraudsters to spread lies. Brazil should demand Obama be taken to the Hague and prosecuted for impeding their progress!

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          Reply#2 - Tue Jun 19, 2012 3:20 PM EDT

          Brazil may prosper, but at what cost? We're all going to end up being 3rd World countries, with the U.S. of A. leading the parade.

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          #2.1 - Tue Jun 19, 2012 3:38 PM EDT

          So... Destroying rainforests and ruining thousands of lives is perfectly acceptable to you? What part of this do you think is lies?

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          #2.2 - Tue Jun 19, 2012 3:54 PM EDT

          Pretty sad when the corporate benefits outweigh the burden of the people and the land.

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          #2.3 - Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:39 PM EDT

          Who are the ecoterrorists? The people who want to destroy the last rainforest on Earth in order to make a few imaginary dollars or is it the people that want to protect a working ecosystem. It's pretty clear who your 'ecoterrorists' are.

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          #2.4 - Tue Jun 19, 2012 5:07 PM EDT

          Enough is enough. Too many people, too much waste. We need to put a stop to the continued growing population, before we destroy ourselves, as well as everything else. What's the big deal to go back down to 4 or 5 BILLION people? Nothing. It's pure selfishness and egotistical desire to keep reproducing at an absolute senseless rate. People who have more than 3 children truly do not love them. If they did, they would care more about their future, then their own desire for a big family.

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          #2.5 - Tue Jun 19, 2012 5:49 PM EDT

          Jamie Alvarez

          Clearly you are a troll or a tard--either way likely you believe the earth is 6 to 10k yrs old and some long hair hippie named Jesass will come to earth and reward you for your ignorance and stupidity--any day now!

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          #2.6 - Tue Jun 19, 2012 6:39 PM EDT

          What's clear is Jamie Alvarez is an ignorant douchbag. I know its wrong to bash people in the forums, however, im so tired of holding back on these @!$%#ing morons that dont have a @!$%#ing clue about whats going on. Again, your a douchbag. @!$%#er.

            #2.7 - Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:08 PM EDT

            We have no right to tell Brazil what to do, just as they have no right to tell us what to do. Lets fix our own house and let them worry about theirs.

            What are you going to do, declare war? Boycott them? Obama just funneled $2 billion to them to develop their off shore oil and promised to be an eager customer, there is no way Obama would boycott them.

            Now that you know what Brazil and China are up to, the US doesn't look so bad after all does it!

              #2.8 - Wed Jun 20, 2012 2:19 AM EDT

              Yeah while he funneled Billions to Brazil for off shore drilling, he cut off drilling in the U.S. Lets send Obama to Brazil.

                #2.9 - Wed Jun 20, 2012 10:33 AM EDT

                Stephanie-574

                Enough is enough. Too many people, too much waste. We need to put a stop to the continued growing population, before we destroy ourselves, as well as everything else. What's the big deal to go back down to 4 or 5 BILLION people? Nothing. It's pure selfishness and egotistical desire to keep reproducing at an absolute senseless rate. People who have more than 3 children truly do not love them. If they did, they would care more about their future, then their own desire for a big family.

                Stephanie, at risk of sounding as cold hearted as you, I will tell you that if you truly believe that nonsense you're spouting than you should practice what you preach and give an example for everyone else to follow, by removing yourself first.

                I'm not saying everyone should go out and have 10 kids. But seriously if you want to suddenly reduce the planetary population by 1 billion "right now" you are talking about "killing off" in some manner or another 1 out of every 6 people. How do you choose? Which 3 or 4 people in your family are you going to take out?

                  #2.10 - Wed Jun 20, 2012 1:32 PM EDT
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                  Overpopulation is the root cause for most of the destruction of once pristine environments.

                  The Catholic church is largely respponsible for overpopulation in Brazil as well as many other countries.

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                  Reply#3 - Tue Jun 19, 2012 3:25 PM EDT

                  i don't care who or where you are, one rug rat per vagina tube's tied

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                  #3.1 - Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:12 PM EDT

                  Agreed. Overpopulation is horrible. Saw a video last week of a guy in Pakisstan has 2 wives and 20 children. 10 from each wife. Can't afford to take care of them so all are in horrible poverty. Dad was interviewed and can't even name his 20. HE knows he wants his kids to get a good education but can't remember his 20. Probably have 1 or 2 more by this time next year, but doesn't have the brains to remember his 20. Time for some apologetic do gooder from a western household of 4,500 sq ft or larger with only one kid to want us to tax ourselves to set up a program for Dad's in the third world who can't remember their kid's names. Same do gooder who'll buy teak furniture from the amazon and then tell the rest of us to walk everywhere so we can save the world by not burning fuel.

                  • 5 votes
                  #3.2 - Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:47 PM EDT

                  @billy barty :One child per penis then Vasectomy!!!

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                  #3.3 - Tue Jun 19, 2012 5:24 PM EDT
                  Reply

                  The sooner the human species goes extinct, the better off this planet will be.

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                  Reply#4 - Tue Jun 19, 2012 3:26 PM EDT

                  Are you leading by example?

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                  #4.1 - Tue Jun 19, 2012 3:40 PM EDT

                  Show us the way.

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                  #4.2 - Tue Jun 19, 2012 3:42 PM EDT

                  Your brains must be mush!

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                  #4.3 - Tue Jun 19, 2012 5:51 PM EDT

                  you are all sooo full of @!$%#.

                  we live in places that were, at one time, NATURAL AREASwith lots of native trees, and you weren't here for it. So, when you go get your coffee, or are thrilled that the Home Depot has a sale on PAINT (many pigments from places you can't name) remember that this @!$%# was all a forest and someone came to the US and pimped it out just like everything else. Blame me, blame yourselves. Progress is.

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                  #4.4 - Tue Jun 19, 2012 6:20 PM EDT

                  Chrisman.

                  There are currently more trees in North American and Europe than at the time of the Revolutionary War.

                  Brazil IS a problem, and that from a friend who is a Venezuelian. What he said is that it is not good what they are doing, but not as bad as what the environmentalists are painting.

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                  #4.5 - Tue Jun 19, 2012 6:38 PM EDT

                  there all douchbags, both sides, too bad nobody uses common sense and the truth nowadays. Everyone seems to be full of @!$%#. @!$%#ing pathetic. both the corporations, and the environmentalists. And Akons absolutely right about the trees in north america. All you people feeling bad about not recycling your paper, well dont. Its all bull@!$%#. less environmental impact growing trees for paper, trees that wouldnt be there without a paper industry. Nobody thinks about how paper is recycled, bleaches and acids and lots of bad @!$%#. its a scam, but someones getting rich off of it.

                  • 1 vote
                  #4.6 - Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:10 PM EDT

                  EVERY species impacts the environment. We are just more efficient at it. A pristine environment is stupid because there is no such thing, nature is always pushing and pulling in one direction or another. A sustainable environment is what we should shoot for. That means using natural resources, but doing it in a responsible way.

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                  #4.7 - Wed Jun 20, 2012 2:27 AM EDT
                  Reply

                  Fellow humans hurry up already and destroy the earth beyond human existence, so it can heal and be replenished by nature as intended by evolution. we are here for only a blink of an eye on the cosmic clock anyway. We only get one chance to be stewards or destroyer's and we have chosen our path.

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                  Reply#5 - Tue Jun 19, 2012 3:32 PM EDT

                  Anti-choice and anti-contraception forces in the U.S.A. are doing their best to ensure increasingly dangerous levels of overpopulation. Glad I made the choice to not have kids so I won't be leaving anyone behind to deal with the consequences. The descendants of today's "pro-lifers" are going to resent their ancestors one day when they have no potable water and the earth is on its last legs.

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                  #5.1 - Tue Jun 19, 2012 3:41 PM EDT

                  Oh PLEASE. Sounds like a line from a soap opera.

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                  #5.2 - Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:35 PM EDT

                  Laura, those who say we are overpopulated, are pushing bogus numbers. The earth can bear many times more than what we have. We just need to learn to use what we have better.

                  What is true is that there is a limit. The limits placed on us are there so we will never control the universe. Since there are limits on what we will be able to do, there must be someone bigger, smarter, and more powerful than us.

                  • 1 vote
                  #5.3 - Tue Jun 19, 2012 6:46 PM EDT

                  The western world is not the problem, many nations are actually contracting. It's the third world that is exploding. The blame America first crowd needs to get a clue.

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                  #5.4 - Wed Jun 20, 2012 2:30 AM EDT
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                  I hoped Bolivia would set an example. I never hear about Bolivia and their positive Eco solutions. Why?

                  Sorry to say to the poster who thinks Obama will try to stop the Dam, is wrong. I wish it were true but he and Jeff Immelt-GE are helping to fund it. Global Capitalism is the goal. Not progress for people or better electricity for home. Excuses, excuses. Jobs mean more slave labor. Progress for the country means destruction, for profit of the few. So sad for us that the only cure for this disease is the extiction of Humans. We try and try but the tanks and buldozers just keep coming.

                  • 2 votes
                  Reply#6 - Tue Jun 19, 2012 3:35 PM EDT

                  That's a pathetic lie. It IS for better electricity, the locals support it. As the article said, it means votes.

                  Global capitalism isn't a goal, it's a fact, get over it. The goal is raising everyone lifestyle.

                  Jobs mean slave labor? What an idiotic comment!

                  And you type away on your Chinese lap top, with electricity supplied by those evil capitalists, with running water and a roof over your head, what a hypocrite. You got yours screw everyone else? Nice attitude.

                  • 2 votes
                  #6.1 - Wed Jun 20, 2012 2:36 AM EDT
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                  mother nature at her worst !! You can't force the mighty amazon with man made dams . MAYBE THEY SHOULD HAVE HELD THE SUMMIT ON HIGHER GROUND

                    Reply#7 - Tue Jun 19, 2012 3:37 PM EDT

                    Get those dams built. They mean progress & prosperity. Use whatever means necessary to remove gasbag greenies & tremulous tree-huggers.

                    • 3 votes
                    Reply#8 - Tue Jun 19, 2012 3:37 PM EDT

                    Hello Jaques,

                    Humans need the air that the trees create to breath.

                    Taking a deep breath of your rhetoric gets me nothing.

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                    #8.1 - Tue Jun 19, 2012 3:57 PM EDT

                    Progress and prosperity at what costs? It means destroying thousands of acres of rainforest that's vital to the WORLD'S ecology. It means destroying thousands of lives of people who live in the affected areas. That is not prosperity nor progress. It's just greed. Sorry, your kind of narrowmindedness just proves how greedy people are.

                    • 9 votes
                    #8.2 - Tue Jun 19, 2012 3:58 PM EDT

                    Oh well then. Guess they should just build another smoke belching coal fired power plant. Trees love smoke.

                    • 2 votes
                    #8.3 - Tue Jun 19, 2012 5:00 PM EDT

                    Here we say, "Drill, Baby! Drill!"

                    There, it is, "Dam, Baby! Dam!"

                    • 2 votes
                    #8.4 - Tue Jun 19, 2012 6:24 PM EDT

                    AND drill baby drill. Remember Obama funneled $2 billion to them to develop their off shore oil.

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                    #8.5 - Wed Jun 20, 2012 2:39 AM EDT
                    Reply

                    Say good bye to the rain forest. Brazil will look more the United States with a few wild places crowded with visitors taking vids of what was paradise. So sad. so very sad.

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                    Reply#9 - Tue Jun 19, 2012 3:37 PM EDT

                    We have millions of acres of wild areas in the US. I am across the Olympics from our rain forest, ten feet of rain a year there means plenty of sunshine for my solar panels here! :<)

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                    #9.1 - Wed Jun 20, 2012 2:41 AM EDT
                    Reply

                    Sure. Destroy the rainforest. Cut down all the trees and the world's largest reservoir of oxygen, in order o provide jobs and "green" energy? Such a deal!

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                    Reply#10 - Tue Jun 19, 2012 3:38 PM EDT

                    All plants generate oxygen, the world won't run out any time soon. More CO2 means more plant growth which leads to more oxygen, nature is far more robust than people give it credit for.

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                    #10.1 - Wed Jun 20, 2012 2:44 AM EDT
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                    Build dams with or convert existing dams with side channels for migration of fish. Problem solved. Or until the enviro wackos come up with another reason to curb human consumption. After all, that is their ultimate goal.

                    • 3 votes
                    Reply#11 - Tue Jun 19, 2012 3:39 PM EDT

                    I have an idea. All you environmentalists put your money where your mouth is. Go trade places with the displaced peoples of the Brazilian rainforest. Give them your houses, cars, bank accounts, etc... By being down there and living you'll be in a much better position to argue for preserving your natural way of life since it will be affecting you directly. Now that would be what I call Commitment! Screw the rest of the population of Brazil. Who are they to want economic development and prosperity?! Who are they to want clean hydroelectric energy?!

                    • 4 votes
                    Reply#12 - Tue Jun 19, 2012 3:40 PM EDT

                    I AM "THERE" . DON'T LET MY GOOD ENGLISH FOOL YOU . I AM AN AMAZONIAN AND I LIVE OVER HERE IN AMAZON STATE BRASIL , SO I DO KNOW WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT. So' porque uma pessoa sabe se expressar em outro idioma nao quer dizer que ele nao seja um nativo. Sou Amazonense e tenho orgulho disso.

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                    #12.1 - Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:10 PM EDT

                    So you have your electricity, screw everyone else? A little selfish aren't we?

                      #12.2 - Wed Jun 20, 2012 2:46 AM EDT
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                      Damming up a creek or river hurts some species, but it provides habitat for thousands of other species that otherwise would not be able to make a home around still water. A pond or lake is home for many more species than a flowing river.

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                      Reply#13 - Tue Jun 19, 2012 3:46 PM EDT

                      Here in Wisconsin the DNR has been hell bent on an anti-dam kick for some time. Yet if you think about it,what would have been the "natural" state of virtually every Wisconsin stream and river prior to the fur trappers arriving here? Thats right, Beaver Dams up the wazoo. Very little different from the small dams and mill ponds the DNR has been removing.

                      • 2 votes
                      #13.1 - Tue Jun 19, 2012 5:10 PM EDT

                      It's the same in WA state as well. Tearing down a couple of big ones in my area.

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                      #13.2 - Wed Jun 20, 2012 2:47 AM EDT
                      Reply

                      The river downstream will not dry up. The dam can't produce electricity without letting water flow through the turbines...DUH!

                      • 2 votes
                      Reply#14 - Tue Jun 19, 2012 3:46 PM EDT

                      DUH right back at you.

                      The reduced flow will leave the LAND around the river dry killing of the natural growth and limiting the farming. When water runs thru a dam it's at a fraction of the original flow.

                      • 2 votes
                      #14.1 - Tue Jun 19, 2012 3:59 PM EDT

                      reduce a 90-mile stretch downriver to "a tiny fraction" of its normal flow, says Philip Fearnside, a researcher at Brazil's National Institute for Research in Amazonia.

                      Reading and understanding not at work.

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                      #14.2 - Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:14 PM EDT

                      DUH, Darthdon is correct. The river downstream of the dam will be starved for water while the lake behind the dam is being filled. Once it is filled, the overflow from the dam is exactly the same amount of water as it was before the dam was built. What goes in the lake must come out, no more, no less.

                      • 6 votes
                      #14.3 - Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:20 PM EDT

                      Darthdon and Road Warrior are correct. Philip Fearnside is wrong. Once the reservoir is filled, the net flow of the river will be the same as it was before the dam and reservoir were built. It has to be, all of the tributary water flowing into the reservoir has to flow out through the dam's power house or spillway. There is nowhere else for it to go. The only downstream "drying up" occurs during the short initial period when the reservoir is filling. Once it has filled, the water coming in has to be matched by the water going out.

                      • 2 votes
                      #14.4 - Tue Jun 19, 2012 7:56 PM EDT

                      Yes, correct. The flow has to be the same or the dam level would increase until it overflowed anyway.

                      What dams tend to do is average out the flow so there will be less flooding in the spring and less dry season in the summer.

                      • 2 votes
                      #14.5 - Wed Jun 20, 2012 2:51 AM EDT
                      Reply

                      Damn

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                      Reply#15 - Tue Jun 19, 2012 3:49 PM EDT

                      The irony I find here is the environmentalists used to promote hydro power as the clean alternative. It still beats burning oil.

                      • 5 votes
                      Reply#16 - Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:01 PM EDT

                      Big congrats to brazil for destroying the planets lungs, no that does not affect the rest of us at all. So does that mean since you are messing with our planet and every other country on the planet we can drop a nuke on you?

                      • 1 vote
                      Reply#17 - Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:01 PM EDT

                      you sound so caring and compassionate. way to go.

                      • 1 vote
                      #17.1 - Tue Jun 19, 2012 9:45 PM EDT

                      Proof yet again liberals are fascists.

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                      #17.2 - Wed Jun 20, 2012 2:53 AM EDT
                      Reply

                      There are still uncontacted tribes out there and they are being disregarded by these very people. Some tribes will be extinct soon.

                      www.survivalinternational.org all about uncontact tribes in the world

                      • 1 vote
                      Reply#18 - Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:04 PM EDT

                      IF none of you have a lengthy memory on how dams have destroyed the natives and the species in and around it, you shouldn't have to look to teribly far....Grand Coulee comes to mind. As to the one who made this statement :  That Obama should be tried for some wishful thinking crime, before you do that, you might want to re-consider the impact that dam and the one on the Columbia has done,not to mention the others that followed behind it. Native Amnericans in that region of the world( from which I am from) ,while not gone entirely, the salmon aren't coming back . So try that one on for size and fit...

                      This project in Brazil willbe one more exampleof how we all talk a good game, but not to many seem to be willing OR able to do anything about it.

                      • 1 vote
                      Reply#19 - Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:11 PM EDT

                      DAMN IT!

                      • 1 vote
                      Reply#20 - Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:15 PM EDT

                      There are other and better alternatives sources of energy than building dams.

                        Reply#21 - Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:15 PM EDT

                        Like digging coal mines.

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                        #21.1 - Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:36 PM EDT
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                        Easy brothers and sisters. The world is too big for anyone to manage. You cannot tell others how to live. You can however do things where you live. Drive a bit less, stop buying every new item that comes out when you have something that works at home. Don't buy that second house out in the country and pave over what you claim to prize. We got enough house keeping to do here.

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                        Reply#22 - Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:25 PM EDT

                        You are right scott - If everybody does just a little bit, it adds up to a lot.

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                        #22.1 - Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:39 PM EDT
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                        Simple supply and demand. I blame demand, would be interesting to know where all the Amazons resources go once the lands are depleted. Who are the greedy consumers driving Brazil's thirst for financial prosperity? Is it worth displacing inhabitants, wildlife and certain deforestation? I compare it to the drug trade in which the U.S. is the biggest consumer in the world. Of course, we blame cartels, immigrants and drug dealers for throwing it in our faces. After all, who cares what happens to a 300 year old tree in Thailand so long as some ignorant brat can get their club drug on. In the meantime, kids of the same age build Iphone's in China for little pay, no vacation and no time off. I am not saying all these things need to cease, but there has got to be a more intelligent, more responsible way to create order in a global sea of chaos.

                        • 1 vote
                        Reply#23 - Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:31 PM EDT

                        How about the dams that are being built in Panama? They are unnecessary, and are destroying the homes of thousands of indigenous Nagabe peoples- so the wealthy can get more wealth! see the video http://youtu.be/Zx3e-0Zbm1M

                        • 1 vote
                        Reply#24 - Tue Jun 19, 2012 5:21 PM EDT

                        Ironic how Brasil is so willing to join in climate treaties when it only means other countries will have to suffer, such as the treaty on reducing greenhouse gas emissions. But wait, there's more! Now the shoe is on the other foot, and Brasil is being asked to curtail their own development desires to help the environment. Oh, we didn't mean stopping destruction of OUR environment...

                        • 1 vote
                        Reply#25 - Tue Jun 19, 2012 5:38 PM EDT
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