George Osborne's autumn statement: panel verdict

Our panellists dissect the chancellor's speech on the state of the British economy

In his autumn statement to the House of Commons, the chancellor concedes the UK risks falling into recession in the coming months Link to this video

Chuka Umunna: 'Trying to go further and faster has failed'

Chuka Umunna

In his first speech as business secretary, Vince Cable described his department as "the department for economic growth". The figures published by the Office for Budget Responsibility project that it will be "the department for next to no growth" for this year and the next. Clearly the eurozone will have an effect, but British businesses would have been in a far better position to withstand the storm blowing in from the continent if we had a stronger economy going into it – the government made a mess of that. It inherited an economy that was recovering in May 2010, but confidence nosedived following its spending review in October last year and we've seen little growth since.

As a consequence, the number of UK enterprises fell by 20,000 in the year to March 2011 alone and over 2.6 million people are now out of work. Because their out-of-touch policies are putting people out of work, that's more unemployment benefit to pay and less income tax received – it's a vicious circle. So despite the government pursing £30bn more in cuts and £10bn more in taxes, it is now projected to borrow more than the OBR's verdict on the more balanced plan Labour set out and this government ripped up. As today's OBR forecasts show, the government is set to borrow £158bn more than it planned a year ago – the cost for the economic failure, higher unemployment and bigger benefits bill its failed plan has created. Trying to go further and faster has been utterly self-defeating.

Credit easing and infrastructure investment are the much-trumpeted centrepieces of the autumn statement, yet we and business organisations had been calling for the government to bring forward infrastructure investment and to improve credit conditions for small businesses for many months. Only now has it chosen to act. How many businesses and jobs could have been saved had it acted sooner?

• Chuka Umunna is the shadow business secretary

Sheila Lawlor: 'Today, Osborne entered the enemy territory'

Sheila Lawlor

The chancellor's autumn statement made no bones about his priority: to carry on cutting the UK's deficit. Even his critics know that in today's world the cost of borrowing punishes the feckless. But George Osborne is a political chancellor. The battle against the deficit, though central, is not enough. Today, having struck out at Labour's legacy, he entered the enemy's territory, promising to unlock investment for growth. There will be infrastructure projects – railway and roads; credit for small businesses, an extended rate holiday; help for families to buy into home ownership; and free childcare for the poorest toddlers.

Economists agree that often structural projects can be sensible at time of recession. And Osborne may prove as good as his promise today to fund spending for growth from savings elsewhere. But, though exceptional measures may be needed in time of recession, the level of UK public spending will have to fall, dramatically, along with the costs of employment, production and exports. That is the fundamental challenge, political and economic. The evidence is that cutting overall spending to 40% or less as a proportion of GDP will bring growth, restore confidence and keep lending rates low.

This is a less political message than the chancellor's. Recognising the emptiness of claims for "Keynesian" fiscal stimulation is a start. But if the UK is to compete for jobs, financial services and exports in a world where growth and low spending go together, then tackling the deficit and debt are only a start, and cuts to high public spending must follow.

• Sheila Lawlor is director of Politeia

David Blanchflower: 'The government has no plan for growth'

David Blanchflower byline

No amount of George Osborne's spin, sneering and hubris in the House of Commons could cover up the fact that his plan A has failed miserably. Embarassingly, Osborne had to confirm that he would not be able to get rid of the structural deficit by 2015. The Office for Budget Responsibility he set up slashed its growth forecasts in 2011 and 2012 to 0.9% and 0.7%, compared with 2.3% and 2.8% respectively at the time of the June 2010 budget. This is the fourth time in four attempts that it has lowered these forecasts. The increase in the OBR's forecast for growth in 2015 from 2.8% to 3.0%, which it also forecast for 2016, simply does not look credible. The OBR now expects unemployment to rise to 8.7% in 2012 compared with 7.4% it forecast in June 2010.

The claim that the government has made the UK a relative safe haven in the sovereign debt storm is without foundation. UK bond yields are low because growth is so appalling that the markets have no expectation that the monetary policy committee will be able to raise interest rates for years, and because we have our own central bank that can initiate quantitative easing. Hence there is zero chance of default. All countries that have their own currency, such as Denmark, Norway, Switzerland and the US, have even lower bond yields.

The claim that the slowing UK economy is down to the rise in energy prices and an unsustainable boom is simply not credible; it is due to the coalition's failed austerity programme. Ed Balls is right, the government's economic strategy is in tatters. The government still has no plan for growth.

• David Blanchflower was an external member of the monetary policy committee at the Bank of England from June 2006 to May 2009


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  • OliLondon

    29 November 2011 3:06PM

    So much for a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!
    Coal in stockings for the kids then!

  • KetamineJustSayNeigh

    29 November 2011 3:10PM

    Chuka Umunna

    It inherited an economy that was recovering in May 2010...

    It must have been difficult to write that and keep a straight face at the same time.

  • indigo80

    29 November 2011 3:12PM

    Can tax payers strike?

    Don't give the enemy funds.

  • davidabsalom

    29 November 2011 3:17PM

    Can anyone explain why he's subsidising the bills of people who get supplied by South West Water? The company's profits went up 8% this year. If the price is too high shouldn't the regulator cap the price, and if it's not too high why are we subsidising it?

  • ATII

    29 November 2011 3:17PM

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  • davidabsalom

    29 November 2011 3:20PM

    And lovely though it is that he's limited the rise in bus fares in London (to a mere 6%), shouldn't those of us in the rest of the country also get our fares capped?

  • Vraaak

    29 November 2011 3:20PM

    Poletia's just another poxy right wing think tank isn't it.

    Hardly surprising that they think the Tories aren't being nasty enough.

  • JedBartlett

    29 November 2011 3:20PM

    On the upside, one of my elderly neighbours has just come back from her third holiday just in time for her fuel payment.

  • Vraaak

    29 November 2011 3:22PM

    We get to see Politeia in their true form: "Even his critics know that in today's world the cost of borrowing punishes the feckless"

    Charming.

    I'd rather be part of the feckless huddled masses than a git.

  • BenCaute

    29 November 2011 3:24PM

    Georgey Porgey, pudding and pie,
    Touched the economy and caused it to die.
    When the pigeons came home to roost,
    Georgey Porgey retired to his baronial estates to take up several non-executive directorships at CIty banks.

  • magnets

    29 November 2011 3:24PM

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  • davidabsalom

    29 November 2011 3:25PM

    Robert Choate's just announced the taxpayer is taking over the Royal Mail pension scheme. Here comes privatisation.

  • Hooloovoo

    29 November 2011 3:25PM

    A "well-balanced" panel then - all very critical. Quelle suprise Graun

  • magnets

    29 November 2011 3:26PM

    Sheila Lawlor is a sad old Thatcherite dinosaur.

  • davidabsalom

    29 November 2011 3:27PM

    ...a world where growth and low spending go together,

    And also a low development base. Easy to grow from sod all.

  • Brouillard

    29 November 2011 3:28PM

    Chukka

    Clearly the eurozone will have an effect, but British businesses would have been in a far better position to withstand the storm blowing in from the continent if we had a stronger economy going into it – the government made a mess of that. It inherited an economy that was recovering in May 2010

    Do you genuinely believe that the slightly slower cutting Labour party would have made a significant difference to the economy. A public sector driven growth spurt? Don't make me laugh.

  • cbonn

    29 November 2011 3:29PM

    No amount of George Osborne's spin, sneering and hubris in the House of Commons could cover up the fact that his plan A has failed miserably

    Could there be a greater condemnation of Osborne?

  • Front4uk

    29 November 2011 3:31PM

    "panel of discussion" indeed. Let's get 3 lefties together to agree that the Tories are evil.

    In words of NUT : "Deferred success!"

  • EastEndGeordie

    29 November 2011 3:34PM

    Feckless eh? Well we we were all encouraged to borrow up to our arses before as recently as 2 or 3 years ago yet now our government is terrified that national debt may peak at a ghastly figure of 78%. I am sure 78% isn't bad. It is certainly lower than most of our competitors (apart from China) and as we are not being charged way too much for borrowing he could be less of a scrooge this year but with right wing think tanks wanting blood and the ratings agencies circling he has to be nasty as well as tough... can't disappoint messrs fitch, poor, standard and moody can we...

  • cbonn

    29 November 2011 3:35PM

    A hell of a lot of Tories having serious difficulty accepting facts.

  • Strummered

    29 November 2011 3:35PM

    This trainwreck has been hurtling towards us for some time, I'm sure even Osborne saw it coming, just that he was so besotted with the misery that Plan A was causing and it's about to get even worse - I despair.

  • greendragonreprised

    29 November 2011 3:35PM

    But David, the conservative party is barely funded by people outside the City of London so why should they care how much your bus costs, or whether you even have one.

    To sum up Osborne's statement, misery, more misery and even more misery, and a big boy did it and ran away.

  • davidabsalom

    29 November 2011 3:35PM

    "panel of discussion" indeed. Let's get 3 lefties together to agree that the Tories are evil.

    If Sheila Lawlor and Danny Blanchflower are on your list of "lefties", your list of those on the right must be tiny. Probably just you and Thatcher. And you're not too sure about her.

  • CliffM

    29 November 2011 3:36PM

    I trust all directors will have their pay capped at 1%!! The 'Eton Mess' will look after their chums at our expense.

  • MOKent

    29 November 2011 3:36PM

    One of these days the economic terrorists infesting Tory madrassas like Politeia are going to find out what an armed majority looks like, up close and personal.

  • TheGreatRonRafferty

    29 November 2011 3:36PM

    Did anyone SERIOUSLY expect anything other than incompetence? And blaming everyone bar himself.

    But the Tories have form. They were still blaming the previous Labour government for the failings in the mid 1990s.

  • justlookaround

    29 November 2011 3:38PM

    Mr Arseburne: 'I think I got away with it, Dave!'
    Call-me-Dave: 'Brilliant! Reducing tax credits and holding down public sector pay and slashing their pensions, and then giving the money to big corporations to do infrastructure works is simply brilliant! Our rich friends will make billions, and they'll subcontract the hard work to poorly-paid self-employed labour, our natural constituency amongst the plebs!'
    Mr Arseburne: 'Thank you Dave! I knew I could do it. Bit difficult keeping a straight face in the House though, when we know the joke's on them!'
    Call-me-Dave: 'There's only one thing worrying me, Georgie, and that is: how are we going to boost demand now that we're taking even more money from the poor to give to the rich? Without boosting demand it doesn't matter how much we make life easier for businesses - if hardly anyone is buying the economy will tank even further. Any ideas?'
    Mr Arseburne: 'Errrr......'

  • EastEndGeordie

    29 November 2011 3:39PM

    Oh and my pay rises frozen at 1% per year means a real income cut of 4% per year or more at my current rate of inflation and my chances of buying a home are now even less than zero. Thanks coalition.

  • ScottishLady

    29 November 2011 3:39PM

    Today proves to the peolpe of England this government's agenda was never about the deficit and all about reform

    Yes as the deficit gets worse and worse and the debts just get higher and higher they are sticking to plan A - because it is not about financial stability and all about reform

    Pension reform - immediately stole 2.5% from every single pension in Britian (both public and private) - that made investment bankers and markets rich by billions - all robbed from your pensions

    Pension reform - cameron is going to enrol EVERY WORKER WITHOUT A PENSION into a pension where FOREIGN INVESTMENT BANKS are to be given 4% of your wages from October 2012 (he kept that quiet and deliberately provoked public sector workers to ensure his plans to raid your pockets were not known to you - and how will that help the English economy if Cameron is going to take a further 4% out of your pocket and give it to foreign banks)

    Education Reform : it's not about education. It's about transferring ownership of state schools to private sector "education companies". Yes England no longer owns the schools they paid to build. It is the equivalent of you paying off your mortgage and then giving your house away free to your neighbour.

    But to make it worse, as well as this transfer of ownership of billions of pounds of English assets - the government BORROWED £half a billion pound just to cover the legal fees as King Cameron decided English Taxpayers should pay the legal fees to transfer the ownership of their own assets to private companies

    (Just look at the asset register of all these private sector education companies. As the black hole gets bigger in council accounts the asset register in these private sector companies is bulging by billions - your assets - not any more - enjoy paying the billions it will cost (with interest) for the legal fees alone people of England

    And then their is the defence black hole created by Cameron chopping up planes you borrowed billions to make - with the bill made even higher as Cameron then immediately signed a contract with America to take American planes to replace the brand new planes he chopped up

    Then there is Cameron giving away our fighter jets to America - to immediately sign a contract to buy American fighter jets

    Yes Cameron is screwing every English man as they sit and watch their cricket and their football on SKY (kindly provided by that wonderman we can all trust Rupert Murdoch)

    As Murdoch distracts Cameron attacks your pockets, your pensions, your education, your NHS, your jobs, your army navy and air force, your councils, your schools, your childrens chances of a university education.

    And then we have all the FOREIGN BANKING DEBT Cameron is sneakily tranferring onto English tax payers.

    £6billion Ireland, £29 billion IMF (every penny Cameron gives to the IMF - the IMF gives foreign debt back to replace it)

    Yes Cameron is piling billions in debt onto English taxpayers at the same time as he is throwing Englishmen on the dole, putting British business into bankrupsy

    By 2015 there will be no England - and will Englishmen actually do anything about it (or will they continue to be glued to SKY sports watching their cricket and their tennis and their F1 and their Darts and their Football

    Yes will Murdoch distracts, Cameron Attacks

  • tiens

    29 November 2011 3:42PM

    Fact is you growth deniers the economy was growing at 2.1% in 2010 when Labour left office. What a catastrophic mess the ConDems have created in a little over 18 months. Ed Balls said this would happen and he has been proved right today. For the proof see the Chancellors statement

  • cbonn

    29 November 2011 3:42PM

    No amount of Tory spin can hide the fact that Boy george has fucked up good & proper.

    If he was working for a public company, his P45 would be getting written up as we speak.

  • NOTbill40

    29 November 2011 3:46PM

    The scale of the breath taking and monumental failure of austerity is clear for all to see. Then Gideon, has the gall to make further predictions, which will all be wrong, and carry on doing the same.

    Bloody lunancy.

    The government thank God is not part the Euro, it is a sovereign, monopoly currency issuer. It should provide a job guarantee, for everybody that wants one, on a living wage.

    The neo liberals have failed. It is time to apply Modern Money Theory and fix things.

  • RhysGethin

    29 November 2011 3:46PM

    Even his critics know that in today's world the cost of borrowing punishes the feckless

    We need to change "today's world" then.

    The usual pitiful Tory lack of vision. How can these people be so well educated and yet so thick?

  • Mrdaydream

    29 November 2011 3:47PM

    The evidence is that cutting overall spending to 40% or less as a proportion of GDP will bring growth, restore confidence and keep lending rates low.

    What evidence? This is an assumption, and a risky one at that. The only 'evidence' here is the writer's wilfully misleading use of the word 'evidence'.

  • RhysGethin

    29 November 2011 3:50PM

    Of course there's no evidence for that, how could there be. It flies in the face of common sense.

    Economics, particularly at the capitalist lickspittle end of the spectrum, is just the art of pure, unadulterated bullshit.

  • nocolours

    29 November 2011 3:54PM

    There is vast empirical evidence of growth v spending%GDP covering the globe and over decades. Just because you are ignorant doesn't make it invisible. Educate yourself you have a pc?

  • nocolours

    29 November 2011 4:00PM

    Yes and next time we have a massive recession we will have a big GDP number on recovery, it is a basic feature of busts. Exagerated by an increase in the deficit of 100 million, so it came at a cost? Deficit doesn't contain any bailouts but was caused by the crash which was going to happen some day anyway. Banning recessions was laughable

  • oddjobsbowlerhat

    29 November 2011 4:01PM

    Not going to read the article but I guess where the blame is being focused.

    Tories are to blame - labour are brilliant - its the tories fault - labour are brilliant - tories are scum - labour are brilliant.

    Am I a million miles off?

  • harpomarxist

    29 November 2011 4:02PM

    This is a matter of fact not opinion, anyone can go back and check the economic indicators. The Tories have stalled the recovery, just as many commentators in this newspaper, both above and below the line predicted they would over a year ago. They are well under way to sending us into a double dip recession, again largely as predicted by anyone without Tory Friedmanite blinkers on.

  • stuv

    29 November 2011 4:04PM

    ... £156 billion shortfall in tax intake, hence £111 billion more to be borrowed ... that is the bottom line of Osbornomics ... except that the ConDems are not concerned about the economy but rather a revolution in how Britain is governed ... for the few and not for the many ...

    ... and incidentally ... how depressing that CiF has had to disable comment after Cathcart's article ... we are 'free' to comment on everything EXCEPT on the actions of the Daily Mail or the Times ...

  • scoosh

    29 November 2011 4:09PM

    Osborne - what you have given us today is basically pie in the sky and wishful thinking. The trouble is by the time you lot leave the whole country will be sold off to the lowest bidder if the recent RBS nonsense is anything to go by. I could see no real hope in anything said today.

    Can we please have a new government? One with some integrity i.e. who doesn't blatently lie to us would be a good start. It would be better if they had a little economic 'nunce' and werent just leading us up and down the same sorry path. Oh and a little ambition and hope for the future for all of the people not just your business/banker friends would be the icing on the cake. What we have now is dross.

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    DWearing

    29 November 2011 4:09PM

    You haven't read this, have you? Read the second contribution and explain how it is left wing.

    I propose a new CiF rule. Whenever it is self-evident that someone has commented without reading the article in question, the comment should be deleted.

    Premature ejaculations of lazy prejudice contribute zero value to these threads. I see no reason why they should be allowed.

  • Alarming

    29 November 2011 4:10PM

    Do you actually think Osborne's plans have been good? We're about to enter a second recession despite him confidently claiming his plans wouldn't lead to such a thing.

    To give him credit he has blamed an impressively wide range of things for this state of affairs. The Royal wedding was an especially good move. Inspired even.

    Most people here do indeed think the Tories are scum but don't think Labour are much better. Mainly because they followed the Tories plans in the 90's.

    So not only do you not read the article you don't bother to read the comments either.

    Keep up!

  • voltaire17

    29 November 2011 4:11PM

    Well it seems that too many people like KetamineJustSayNeigh seem to have swallowed the tired lie that it was all Labour's fault.

    The economy was actually recovering until these cruel, dim and self serving twits took over.

    I think economic history will look much more favourably on Brown than Osborne or that total hypocrite, Cable. Mr Bean indeed!? What does that make Cable? Coco the Clown?

    As usual it's a case of Soak the Poor (and the squeezed middle)

  • konrad01

    29 November 2011 4:16PM

    It doesn't seem like "Plan B" at all - the strategy is to squeeze the public sector more (e.g. nearly double projected job losses by OBR) and a pay cut on top of the pension fiasco.

    The crumbs of "additional" expenditure, for example on child care (remember SureStart?) and social housing, still represent a cut in real terms from the projection in 2009/10. Has BIS done (or commissioned) any research (with Department of Education) on the projected impact of the ending of Education Maintenance Allowances?

    If the Opposition can't continue the anti-Governmen t trend in the polls, then they should be ashamed of themselves.

  • EllisWyatt

    29 November 2011 4:18PM

    It inherited an economy that was recovering in May 2010, but confidence nosedived following its spending review in October last year and we've seen little growth since

    Lets just tick off the events that have occurred since May 2010 shall we? (i) real fears of unmanaged Greek default, (ii) contagion of Euro crisis to Italy, Spain and even some Northern European countires, (iii) political logjam in Europe and the absence of any kind of political will to tackle the crisis, (iv) American political logjam that came within a week or so of default and (iv) downgrade to Chinese growth forecasts.

    These are just a handful of the malign factors that have influenced the UK economy, to simplistically point to austerity as the reason growth is going to be flat over the next 12 months is either idiotic or dishonest. Lets face it, if the OBR had predicted modest 0.5% quarter on quarter growth the cries would have still been for less austerity and more spending.

    Look at the spreads on bonds, look at what we are paying in interest compared to our neighbours and then look at the respective growth projections. No comparable country is predicting racy growth, the only difference is that some countries are facing bond strikes pretty damn soon and that will make Osborne’s austerity look like Brown’s spending splurge.

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