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Can opponents of nuclear power overcome the lobbying of industry giants, an economist asks?

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1.
Calamai
NY
March 28th, 2011
7:25 am
"renewable energy is a more decentralized, small-business-oriented sector that often finds itself outmaneuvered on Capitol Hill." What about ethanol? Ethanol got 76% of all federal renewable energy tax credits in 2007, and proof of that money trickling down below large agrobusiness is scant.
2.
andychrist
NYC
March 28th, 2011
7:55 am
Another factor to be considered is the role energy efficiency and conservation could offset the potentially higher costs of power generation in the future. Super-insulated buildings, lit with LEDs, consume a fraction of the energy required to run their conventional counterparts.
3.
Alex
New York
March 28th, 2011
8:00 am
"Indeed, it seems likely that the stronger regulation and improved safety features for nuclear reactors called for in the wake of the Japanese disaster will require costly provisions that may price it out of the market."

I wish that were true, but I have a sneaking suspicion that any new regulations will just be window dressing thanks to heavy lobbying by the nuclear industry and its supporters.
4.
John Dyer
Roanoke VA
March 28th, 2011
8:40 am
One needs to understand that our current paradigm is economic growth at all costs. This means that the least expensive form of energy will be used, and as that becomes depleted and too expensive, other more expensive forms will start to be used. Renewable energy sources such as wind and solar are dependent on rare earth materials, so I seriously doubt that they will become less expensive as they ramp up. Unfortunately, we will do anything we can- destroy our environment, live with nuclear meltdown risk, sell our children's future- in order to meet our targets for GDP growth.

Until we change the constant growth paradigm, a clean energy future is wishful thinking.
5.
Holly
Golden, Co
March 28th, 2011
8:40 am
If renewables have a real economic base they will grow without Nancy wanting to tax me to pay for her idea. I see that she is titled as an economist and she should know this.
The real issue is not dangerous nuclear, is not dirty carbon spewing coal, it is the fact that we have a huge oversupply of natural gas in this country. At least 120 years of the stuff and it is very low cost. While people who live in Nancy's home town have been paying $3.50/gallon and to be soon over $4 for heating oil, the cost of heating their homes with natural gas has dropped an average of 11% this year.
Natural gas is equal to fuel oil at about $.84 cents per gallon, a whopping 75% less cost to heat your home with natural gas vs heating oil. It is also cheaper to make electricity with clean low risk natural gas than coal. And as you know natural gas travels by pipeline into your home, no more energy consuming trucks.
Now electrical heat is even more expensive than fuel oil. So why would Nancy advocate a form of energy production that is extremely expensive, hurts the consumer, hurts the taxpayer and indeed does nothing for the environment (ever try to sleep near a wind mill farm?).
Remember wind and solar require huge amounts of surface land, huge amounts of mining iron ore, glass sand, cement, concrete rock and sand, tons of trucking, continous maintenance (I don't know why wind and solar are called renewables with the huge amount of maintenance these facilities require).
Well I guess what my first economics professor taught me is true, there is no such thing as a free lunch!
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Michelle
Tennessee
March 28th, 2011
9:10 am
I'm so glad to read your assertion that social and political forces are a major barrier to renewables than technological or economic issues.

I think this has definitively been the case for several years, solar panels brought their price / KwH down to a level comparable with coal. And without the aid of government subsidies. Not all panels can boast that price, but it is currently possible and will continue to become more available as production facilities come online.

Renewable technologies aren't perfect, but I've never seen any credible source assert that they are. We need a better balance of energy technologies, and for a variety of reasons. We are past the point where environmental benefits are persuasive because the social and economic arguments have become increasingly important.

Take renewable development in very conservative communities: Some have welcomed wind farms or solar panels because they create jobs, reduce monthly bills, and help them become more self-sufficient. What better cause can renewables bring to communities than an opportunity to revitalize on their own terms?

Articles like this one help to dispel some of the social baggage that has been attached to renewable industries, and perhaps open opportunities that people might miss for the social 'camouflage'. Now if we can just convince our politicians that these technologies can address a host of needs and expectations, rather than a narrow ideological focus, maybe we can encourage them to open more opportunities to more communities. Some may take it or leave it, but currently all that baggage isn't getting us here or there.
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Sunflower
Fox Is. WA
March 28th, 2011
9:25 am
A new coal boiler costs $1.00/Watt(thermal). A new solar boiler costs $0.20/W(t). Solar energy is cheaper than coal even if coal is delivered and burned for free.

One square meter of sunlight in Colorado is worth more than one barrel of oil per year. One square meter solar concentrator costs $150 and lasts longer than 30 years. Solar energy is cheaper than cheap oil.
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Maryland
March 28th, 2011
9:45 am
Holly (#5) makes an important point that we have a lot of natural gas, perhaps more than we have of coal: http://www.cleanenergyaction.org/sites/default/files/Coal_Supply_Constra...

But when considering fuel supply issues, nuclear has perhaps the biggest problem. Oil is not going to run out before a car made today goes to the junk yard, but with uranium, at the current rate of consumption, only 80 years of supply remain. If the rate of consumption is only doubled, then a new nuclear plant with a design lifetime of 60 years will have to stop operating in 40 years. That means that nuclear power is 50% more expensive than current already high estimates with only moderate growth in its use. Clearly, it can do very little to displace coal use no matter what the subsidy regime.

Since natural gas infrastructure can be re-purposed to renewable energy in schemes similar to that proposed by Jacobson, a short term increased reliance on natural gas could be part of an optimal emissions reduction path. The fossil fuel developments to really watch are in situ coal gasification which vastly expands coal resources, tar sand exploitation and oil shale development. James Hansen has estimated that burning all of these could lead to Earth experiencing the Venus Syndrome. http://www.amazon.com/Storms-My-Grandchildren-Catastrophe-Humanity/dp/B0...
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Roland
Raleigh, NC
March 28th, 2011
10:00 am
Natural gas is an obvious solution to the long transition required to move to renewables, but so is nuclear--on a dark, windless night a nuclear power plant still hums away producing the same constant amount of energy for the same price. renewables will out-price nuclear power soon, but the storage problem is a significant barrier..
10.
Sebastopol, CA
March 28th, 2011
10:25 am
Alternatives to new and later to existing nuclear plants are being born.

An inexpensive, green, Low Energy Nuclear Reactor (LENR) invented by Andrea Rossi is now in production.

It is inherently much safer than existing nukes and uses non-radioactive Nickel, not radioactive Uranium, as fuel.

Power cost is projected at one penny per kilowatt hour.

No nuclear waste is produced.

See Cold Fusion at www.aesopinstitute.org to learn more.

A one Megawatt heating plant has been approved to open in Greece, in October. A similar plant is under negotiation for construction in the USA.

A nuclear scientist has said when these compact modular units, which can be linked like solar panels to produce any desired power level, begin producing inexpensive electricity it will start a "stampede".

Several competitive designs are being developed. Early regulatory approval has been received in Greece and may prove possible here.

These technologies will cost-competitively undercut any need for new Uranium fueled nuclear plant production and allow the replacement of existing installations as rapidly as mass manufacturing and concerned parties will permit.

These revolutionary designs have no possible chance of a meltdown!

They can be a building block for decentralized energy generation.

Big is fragile and ugly. Small is still beautiful.

A video of the demonstration of the Rossi reactor in Italy a few weeks ago: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCdxpt86fv4&feature=related

For other surprises see Black Swans on the Aesop Institute website.
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kate
Kingston, ON
March 28th, 2011
10:30 am
I'd still love to know how my home will be heated in the dead of winter when no sun in shining and no wind is blowing. This can be made possible if you have a fleet of batteries lined up storing energy for me but then I think the whole 'renewable' argument officially becomes moot. Additionally, in this financial analysis there was no discussion about tax incentives and subsidies so prevalent in the solar/wind/geothermal game which weigh heavily on the financial viability of projects. This same thing happened after the Carter administration and the tax advantages died - so did the renewable business.
12.
Boston, MA
March 28th, 2011
10:30 am
@Holly,

I guess I could ask the same question. Why should you tax me to pay for your obsession with fossil fuels? You've been doing it for like a century to keep them cheap, and if they were truly economically viable why should I continue to subsidize it? In fact, can I have some of that tax money back? I never really wanted it there in the first place. I want MY money to go toward less destructive forms of energy, not fossil fuels. I also want my tax dollars to go toward light rail and other more efficient forms of transport than sprawling suburban roads clogged with SUVs.

See how the "don't use my tax money for X" argument goes both ways just as easily? It's not so smart to dismiss Nancy's article until you've read through the articles she linked to by Jacobson and Delucchi, which I've downloaded and will read today.
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Bruce
New York
March 28th, 2011
10:45 am
Dear Nancy,
I think the biggest problem with renewables are not '... primarily social and political, not technological or even economic.' If you were correct renewables wouldnt need subsidies and mandates. Rather, the problems with renewables are the physics. There is no efficient way to store power, other than in chemical bonds like coal, oil, and natural gas, or as mass like in nuclear. When there is an effective solution to the physics problem, renewables will blossom all by themselves.
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Kahlil
Richmond, VA
March 28th, 2011
11:00 am
Holly wrote:
"So why would Nancy advocate a form of energy production that is extremely expensive, hurts the consumer, hurts the taxpayer and indeed does nothing for the environment (ever try to sleep near a wind mill farm?).
Remember wind and solar require huge amounts of surface land, huge amounts of mining iron ore, glass sand, cement, concrete rock and sand, tons of trucking, continous maintenance (I don't know why wind and solar are called renewables with the huge amount of maintenance these facilities require)."

Are you kidding me?!! Does natural gas magically appear in maintenance-free, naturally-formed (geological processes or did God make them?) pipelines. (Ever try to breathe/drink water near a gas well?) You can do better than that... and if not, your lobbying firm should fire you.

There are an awful lot of natural gas proponents (Holly, Chris, Roland) making comments that are neglecting to discuss the environmental costs of extracting their "clean low risk natural gas". I would posit the reason natural gas is so "cheap" is that the laws regulating natural gas' extraction have been rigged (intersection of money, lobbyists and politicians - but that's a different and more infuriating discussion :-) to completely ignore the costs to the health/quality of life of people living near these wells, the environmental costs and risks of using large amounts of water filled with hundreds of toxic compounds (exempt from the Clean water act) to fracture bedrock lying beneath the aquifers we drink from. And let's not forget, burning natural gas still produces carbon dioxide. If natural gas were to account for those costs it wouldn't be so cheap.

This is the problem with all economic arguments for "clean coal," oil, natural gas etc. and until these "hidden" costs are accounted on an economic basis, arguments for continued use of any of these fuels are fatally flawed. And let's face it, the only argument for continued use of fossil fuels has been and is based solely on economics.
15.
Detroit
March 28th, 2011
11:00 am
"If we artificially drive up the cost of nuclear power, as we have in the past, it won't make financial sense."

Wow.
16.
Mark Delucchi
University of California Davis
March 28th, 2011
12:05 pm
Hi Nancy,

Very nice piece. For those of you interested in learning more about many of the wind/water/solar power issues brought up here, including cost, availability of materials, land use, variability of supply, and more, I recommend reading the two journal articles mentioned in Nancy's article. Anyone wishing to have a technical discussion about the analyses in those articles is welcome to e-mail me.

Sincerely,

Mark Delucchi
Research Scientist
University of California
madelucchi@ucdavis.edu
17.
wernersville pa
March 28th, 2011
12:20 pm
I have spent 35 years in various different projects all about either making energy , or transferring and using energy. I am an advocate for renewable energy but we in the US and the world currently use so much electricity..... I am very fearful we cannot supply what we use today by renewable energy. A attempt to change the energy pie chart would take decades....... I fear. If one buys a pure electric car........... its charging electricity is likel fueled by coal oil or nuclear. This may take such a concentrated national effort it may be beyond the ability of the fractured US as a nation to focus on such commitment , as a nation , for long.
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Dr. J
Washington, D.C.
March 28th, 2011
12:26 pm
Moreover, corn based ethanol is a net consumer of energy, not a net producer. Second generation fuels may be better, but not as of today. The plants in Japan have been reported to be 40 years old.  Any new nuclear power plants would certainly have superior fail-safes in place.  I'm not advocating nuclear, but I believe a lot of peoples overreaction to the Japanese nuclear plants has been irrational.
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Mike B
New Jersey
March 28th, 2011
12:26 pm
Intermittent renewable energy sources, be definition, simply cannot satisfy base load power demands. It's like needing a hammer, but buying a screwdriver because its cheaper and then claiming that they do the same thing. If you want base load power that doesn't emit carbon you are stuck with nuclear or hydro. Pick one and then throw some research dollars at fusion power.
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Drill-Baby-Drill Drill Team
Mojave
March 28th, 2011
12:40 pm
Last Earth Day President Obama when looking at the incredible break neck progress of green energy in the country in the past decade, delivered the sad truth: Green Energy including Solar, Wind, Geothermal, Wave, Tide and Gilligan-powered bike generators amount to less than 3% of national power needs.

Better strategy is conservation: Walk for errands up to 2 miles. Ride a bike for errands up to 7 miles. Stop watching the Plasma screen TV at 450 watts and listen to a headphone portable radio.

We tend to seek solutions through miraculous technology. Because of costs and national bankruptcy it may not save our hide.

The cheapest kilowatt produced is the one you saved through energy efficiency.
21.
MB
Phila
March 28th, 2011
2:45 pm
The only "good thing" that can come out of the Fukushima nuclear disaster is informed public debate, worldwide, about energy policy which will lead to positive, effective implementation of renewables. This is good information posted here.

At the height of the financial crisis, many thought it was a no-brainer for new President Obama to follow in the footsteps of Franklin Roosevelt and create jobs and prosperity with a "New Deal" to build new infrastructure around renewable energy. But he did not do that. Instead the BP oil disaster and the Japanese nuclear disaster have spotlighted how much money flows through fossil fuel and nuclear lobbying. So I see that failure to create opportunity in renewable energy as another outcome from the distortions created by the influence of big money on our democracy. To me, it looks like the country had a chance to do better but it was squashed by the same forces that profitably poison our habitat. And that is a recurring theme that also runs through reforms in finance and health care.
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Osmand Charpentier
Panama
March 28th, 2011
3:30 pm
The discovery of the Onceanogenic Power in Panama ends with the reign of hydrocarbons and nuclear fission to produce energy for our planet.

Oceanogenic Power, also, is the only one that makes feasible all the production of a clean energy carrier (hydrogen) for current transports.

Oceanogenic Power; at this moment of history, is the unique clean renewable energy idea for the world capable to supply all base and peak loads at a time locally, America or the World.
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JDKJJK
NY NY
March 28th, 2011
4:30 pm
There have been several attacks on the post by Holly, her opinion is valid. Whether you agree with her or not the fact is, given the existing technology, renewable power requires the use of vast areas of land or sea.
This is no small issue given the fact that the Liberals, who generally support alternative energy, will fight alternative energy solutions when it is proposed in their neighborhood(see Nantucket).
The fact is solar and wind will be viable sources of power when is cost effective to install on individual homes..
The problem at this time is battery storage technology and given the current price tag of a Chevy Volt, it still seems that battery storage technology is still far from making these sources of energy viable.
The question then becomes,what happens if we divert the subsides currently provided for ethanol, nuclear, and oil, towards battery storage development and alternative energy?
We have seen what computers, the internet and automation have done to the print, recording, and manufacturing industries, what would the elimination of utilities and fuel oil companies mean to the overall economy? I believe it would be for the better but only time will tell.
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RJM
NY, NY
March 28th, 2011
7:30 pm
It was my understanding that Nuclear Energy provided 20% of the United States' electricity produced in 2009 not 9%.
25.
California
March 28th, 2011
7:45 pm
To some extent this quagmire can be blamed on science education. We were taught to believe that 1%=1%. But that is not true.

A 1% risk of 200 years of devastation from spent nuclear fuel rods, radiation releases, and death is not the same as another 1% risk.

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