duponthumanite Scribbled:

Deliverance is a big concept and so real when it happens to you. "Secrecy's cellmate is shame". And God's favour is not connected to anyone's behaviour. "God is not a Scout leader or an ettiquette coach. His love is lavish and without repentance". and yet we see repentance as a godly quality, not a human one.

cc2oo4 Scribbled:

I can live free God can do

pavndol Scribbled:

No , I am not on antidepressants, never have been and I hope I never will. Your testimony is the sort of one I look for in order to encourage some of my friends... it actually says it all and YOU should write a book. Get out there and say- so- redeemed....... "Then God moved in my life and revealed Himself to me. I flushed my medicine and haven't used any since."...... God moved on your life and you have let go and live free.....that is a wonderful thought and it is possible. Surely that is what we should be trusting God for...not how to cope with life on medication but deliverance from long term dependancy. I have three christian friends who like Sheila, live on anti depressants and it has NOT helped them long term...the side effects are never good, any good doctor will tell you that, plus all they do is mask the underlying problem. You are right in that depression can be cause by chemical imbalance but it is actually medically rare. I did not realise that by raising the point I have, that there would be a response. As I said at the start, my purpose is not to find fault but to raise some serious misgivings about the type of content found in books like this.

pavndol Scribbled:

No , I am not on antidepressants and never ever have been and I hope I never will. Your testimony is the sort of one I look for in order to encourage some of my friends... it actually says it all and YOU should write a book. Get out there and say- so- redeemed....... "Then God moved in my life and revealed Himself to me. I flushed my medicine and haven't used any since."...... God moved on your life and you have let go and live free.....that is a wonderful thought and it is possible. Surely that is what we should be trusting God for...not how to cope with life on medication but deliverance from long term dependancy. I have three christian friends who like Sheila, live on anti depressants and it has NOT helped them long term...the side effects are never good, any good doctor will tell you that, plus all they do is mask the underlying problem. I did not realise that by raising the point I have that there would be a response. As I said at the start, my purpose is not to find fault but to express my misgivings regarding the content found in chrisitian 'how too' books like this one.

pavndol Scribbled:

No , I am not on antidepressants and never ever have been and I hope I never will. Your testimony is the sort of one I look for to encousrage some of my friends... it actually says it all and YOU should write a book. Get out there and say- so- redeemed....... "Then God moved in my life and revealed Himself to me. I flushed my medicine and haven't used any since."...... God moved on your life and you let go and now you live free.....that is a wonderful thought. Surely that is what we should be trusting God for...not how to cope with life on medication but deliverance from long term dependancy. I have three christian friends who like Sheila, live on anti depressants and it has NOT helped them long term...the side effects are never good, any good doctor will tell you that, plus all they do is mask the underlying problem. I did not realise that by raising the point I have that there would be a response. As I said at the start, my purpose is not to find fault but to raise some serious misgivings about the type of content in christian 'how to' books like this one.

saysoredeemed Scribbled:

Pavndol are you on antidepressants? I was once back in 1977-1978. Then God moved in my life and revealed Himself to me. I flushed my medicine and haven't used any since. I understand your questions. Sheila certainly is not the only "Christian" who takes or has taken antidepressants. Do I still get depressed? Yes I do at times, but mostly my depression is brought about by the circumstances in my life. Is that type of depression different than clinical depression which is a chemical imbalance? I don't know, but God does. I can't judge another whose shoes I've never walked in. I will give an account to God for the things that I've done and said. What helps me is knowing that those circumstances of life that happen now are a very small part of our eternity. King David said it like this: Psalm 30:5 For His anger is but for a moment,His favor is for a lifetime;Weeping may last for the night,But a shout of joy comes in the morning.

pavndol Scribbled:

I have appreciated reading your opinions and I found them helpful although I don't see it in the same way you both do. The only other thing I would say regarding the women of faith movement and any other event where attendees pay to go and hear these women (or men ) who are highly paid to talk about God, is that I don't get it. The God of the bible provides everything for free...merchandising your experience doesn't seem right to me ..but may be I am wrong. I have nothing against a person who needs anti depressants, I am just not sure they should be selling their story as 'Let go and Live free' because in reality they are not. Now for anyone who has suffered extreme trauma, which I have as well, I am not criticising you - I just do not see these women as the fine upstanding citizens you have implied they are. Do you know for instance how much they do get paid? I know that Steve Arterburn who owned them, sold the company to Nelson and it was NOT at a loss. I am not involved in Christian fundamentalist acitivities but if a persons hope is not in Jesus Christ then no amount of Women in Faith conferences can help you whoever you are and whether you are famous or not . Thanks for your comments though, and Diane, thank you for being open about what has happened to you and I am glad you have found help.

diane50 Scribbled:

women like Sheila, Patsy, Marilyn (women of faith) are not stars, they are ordinary women with an extraordinary GOD. They don't live in the lap of luxury, they have allowed themselves to be used by GOD to speak to all of us. Sometimes we (I) lift them up to star status- fame. But an autograph is not as important as the message GOD sends. We live in a sin filled world and bad things happen to good and bad people. But Praise God HE gives us the strength to get through and sends ordinary women with talents HE gave them to present a message of hope. Just because someone is well known doesn't mean they don't live life like we do, that they can't know pain, sorrow, or difficulites. I am grateful that someone as well known as Sheila can share she is on anti-depressants and that's ok. Because after suffering a loss of a son a birth and two children with birth defects.. I am on anti-depressants.. and that's OK. Because afer all,, we are not in heaven yet!! SOON...

CassieW Scribbled:

In response to PAVNDOL's comment, I have been to many Women of Faith conferences (of which Sheila Walsh is a regular speaker) and have heard their stories many times. God is a God of deliverance, yes, but many times it's not immediate. Healing comes in time, but it's the deliverance of the spirit that Christ gives when we chose to let go and turn to Him. Everyone has struggles, even those who seem to have it well materialistically. Not every difficulty has to do with possessions or money... you can be the richest person in the world and be spiritually dead and bankrupt. The difficulties that come along in every life is expected, but the peace that is available through God is what true deliverance is. "In this world you will have trouble, but take heart, I have overcome the world" John 16.33

pavndol Scribbled:

Am I the only one who reads these books by christian women who have been incredibly successful and live like 'stars' lacking nothing materially within the real world, then write about how difficult their lives have been and how God has helped them. Am I the only one who doesn't trust books like this? I have absolutely nothing against Sheila Walsh and women like her but I do find it difficut to take this seriously. By her own admission she lives on anti depressants so what exactly is Jesus helping her to 'Let go' and live free from...am I missing the point completely here ?

rschmlzrd5752 Scribbled:

Pray for my family, they are having a hard time down on the gulf coast due to Ike damage all but one family member lost their homes as well as having to deal with jobs, stresses and my sweet sister, who has been suffering from Alzheimers. I love and appreciate you work and wonderful books. Saw you on James Robertson program this evening.And your wonderful Women of Faith outreach. Love in Christ Jesus, Rose