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May 2005 National Industry-Specific Occupational Employment and Wage Estimates
NAICS 334600 - Manufacturing and Reproducing Magnetic and Optical Media
These national industry-specific occupational employment and wage estimates are calculated with data collected from employers of all sizes, in metropolitan and non-metropolitan areas in every State and the District of Columbia, in NAICS 334600 - Manufacturing and Reproducing Magnetic and Optical Media.
These and other data elements, including the 10th, 25th, 75th, and 90th percentile wages, are available in the downloadable Excel files (XLS).
NAICS Industry 334600 - Manufacturing and Reproducing Magnetic and Optical Media is part of: NAICS 334000 - Computer and Electronic Product Manufacturing.
Links to OES estimates for other industries
SOC Major Groups in NAICS 334600 - Manufacturing and Reproducing Magnetic and Optical Media:
- 00-0000 All Occupations
- 11-0000 Management Occupations
- 13-0000 Business and Financial Operations Occupations
- 15-0000 Computer and Mathematical Occupations
- 17-0000 Architecture and Engineering Occupations
- 19-0000 Life, Physical, and Social Science Occupations
- 23-0000 Legal Occupations
- 25-0000 Education, Training, and Library Occupations
- 27-0000 Arts, Design, Entertainment, Sports, and Media Occupations
- 33-0000 Protective Service Occupations
- 37-0000 Building and Grounds Cleaning and Maintenance Occupations
- 41-0000 Sales and Related Occupations
- 43-0000 Office and Administrative Support Occupations
- 49-0000 Installation, Maintenance, and Repair Occupations
- 51-0000 Production Occupations
- 53-0000 Transportation and Material Moving Occupations
NAICS 334600 - Manufacturing and Reproducing Magnetic and Optical Media
All Occupations top |
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Employment Estimates |
Wage Estimates |
SOC Code Number |
Occupation Title (click on the occupation title to view an occupational profile) |
Employment (1) |
Percent of Total |
Median Hourly |
Mean Hourly |
Mean Annual (2) |
Mean RSE (3) |
00-0000 |
All Occupations |
45,530 |
100.00% |
$17.37 |
$23.27 |
$48,410 |
4.9 % |
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Management Occupations top |
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Employment Estimates |
Wage Estimates |
SOC Code Number |
Occupation Title (click on the occupation title to view an occupational profile) |
Employment (1) |
Percent of Total |
Median Hourly |
Mean Hourly |
Mean Annual (2) |
Mean RSE (3) |
11-0000 |
Management Occupations |
3,150 |
6.92% |
$49.70 |
$53.66 |
$111,610 |
2.3 % |
11-1011 |
Chief Executives |
200 |
0.44% |
(5) |
$76.27 |
$158,650 |
5.0 % |
11-1021 |
General and Operations Managers |
650 |
1.43% |
$53.51 |
$56.77 |
$118,080 |
3.2 % |
11-2021 |
Marketing Managers |
380 |
0.83% |
$53.96 |
$57.14 |
$118,850 |
6.5 % |
11-2022 |
Sales Managers |
280 |
0.61% |
$49.53 |
$53.12 |
$110,500 |
3.9 % |
11-3011 |
Administrative Services Managers |
80 |
0.18% |
$35.84 |
$37.64 |
$78,290 |
5.8 % |
11-3021 |
Computer and Information Systems Managers |
400 |
0.88% |
$50.64 |
$53.39 |
$111,040 |
4.5 % |
11-3031 |
Financial Managers |
240 |
0.53% |
$47.31 |
$50.37 |
$104,770 |
4.5 % |
11-3049 |
Human Resources Managers, All Other |
50 |
0.11% |
$44.11 |
$47.04 |
$97,850 |
5.1 % |
11-3051 |
Industrial Production Managers |
270 |
0.59% |
$40.01 |
$42.61 |
$88,620 |
4.3 % |
11-3061 |
Purchasing Managers |
60 |
0.13% |
$40.57 |
$44.71 |
$93,010 |
7.5 % |
11-9199 |
Managers, All Other |
210 |
0.46% |
$43.20 |
$45.00 |
$93,610 |
6.7 % |
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Business and Financial Operations Occupations top |
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Employment Estimates |
Wage Estimates |
SOC Code Number |
Occupation Title (click on the occupation title to view an occupational profile) |
Employment (1) |
Percent of Total |
Median Hourly |
Mean Hourly |
Mean Annual (2) |
Mean RSE (3) |
13-0000 |
Business and Financial Operations Occupations |
2,530 |
5.56% |
$27.63 |
$30.03 |
$62,460 |
4.4 % |
13-1023 |
Purchasing Agents, Except Wholesale, Retail, and Farm Products |
270 |
0.59% |
$24.25 |
$26.48 |
$55,070 |
4.6 % |
13-1051 |
Cost Estimators |
(8) |
(8) |
$24.60 |
$27.49 |
$57,190 |
15.1 % |
13-1073 |
Training and Development Specialists |
60 |
0.13% |
$23.12 |
$24.27 |
$50,470 |
3.9 % |
13-1079 |
Human Resources, Training, and Labor Relations Specialists, All Other |
140 |
0.31% |
$26.83 |
$30.82 |
$64,110 |
9.7 % |
13-1081 |
Logisticians |
40 |
0.09% |
$23.56 |
$25.99 |
$54,070 |
7.9 % |
13-1111 |
Management Analysts |
440 |
0.97% |
$36.05 |
$36.93 |
$76,820 |
11.0 % |
13-1199 |
Business Operations Specialists, All Other |
360 |
0.79% |
$29.07 |
$29.91 |
$62,210 |
5.6 % |
13-2011 |
Accountants and Auditors |
560 |
1.23% |
$27.38 |
$29.12 |
$60,560 |
2.7 % |
13-2051 |
Financial Analysts |
120 |
0.26% |
$29.00 |
$31.18 |
$64,860 |
8.1 % |
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Computer and Mathematical Occupations top |
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Employment Estimates |
Wage Estimates |
SOC Code Number |
Occupation Title (click on the occupation title to view an occupational profile) |
Employment (1) |
Percent of Total |
Median Hourly |
Mean Hourly |
Mean Annual (2) |
Mean RSE (3) |
15-0000 |
Computer and Mathematical Occupations |
7,700 |
16.91% |
$31.44 |
$34.76 |
$72,310 |
5.1 % |
15-1021 |
Computer Programmers |
720 |
1.58% |
$30.77 |
$32.71 |
$68,030 |
4.5 % |
15-1031 |
Computer Software Engineers, Applications |
1,670 |
3.67% |
$37.48 |
$39.10 |
$81,330 |
3.8 % |
15-1032 |
Computer Software Engineers, Systems Software |
1,140 |
2.50% |
$43.64 |
$44.14 |
$91,810 |
4.4 % |
15-1051 |
Computer Systems Analysts |
750 |
1.65% |
$32.56 |
$34.42 |
$71,590 |
5.7 % |
15-1061 |
Database Administrators |
50 |
0.11% |
$27.82 |
$29.21 |
$60,770 |
11.3 % |
15-1071 |
Network and Computer Systems Administrators |
300 |
0.66% |
$30.60 |
$32.67 |
$67,960 |
2.8 % |
15-1081 |
Network Systems and Data Communications Analysts |
270 |
0.59% |
$29.17 |
$30.75 |
$63,970 |
6.1 % |
15-1099 |
Computer Specialists, All Other |
(8) |
(8) |
$26.68 |
$28.95 |
$60,220 |
9.5 % |
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Architecture and Engineering Occupations top |
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Employment Estimates |
Wage Estimates |
SOC Code Number |
Occupation Title (click on the occupation title to view an occupational profile) |
Employment (1) |
Percent of Total |
Median Hourly |
Mean Hourly |
Mean Annual (2) |
Mean RSE (3) |
17-0000 |
Architecture and Engineering Occupations |
1,880 |
4.13% |
$30.13 |
$32.59 |
$67,780 |
6.5 % |
17-2071 |
Electrical Engineers |
70 |
0.15% |
$29.02 |
$33.07 |
$68,800 |
11.4 % |
17-2072 |
Electronics Engineers, Except Computer |
90 |
0.20% |
$33.86 |
$34.16 |
$71,050 |
5.8 % |
17-2112 |
Industrial Engineers |
430 |
0.94% |
$39.50 |
$38.91 |
$80,930 |
7.9 % |
17-2131 |
Materials Engineers |
70 |
0.15% |
$29.50 |
$31.40 |
$65,300 |
2.5 % |
17-2141 |
Mechanical Engineers |
120 |
0.26% |
$32.21 |
$32.87 |
$68,370 |
3.2 % |
17-3023 |
Electrical and Electronic Engineering Technicians |
600 |
1.32% |
$24.77 |
$25.34 |
$52,710 |
5.7 % |
17-3024 |
Electro-Mechanical Technicians |
(8) |
(8) |
$21.05 |
$21.33 |
$44,360 |
2.3 % |
17-3026 |
Industrial Engineering Technicians |
110 |
0.24% |
$23.55 |
$24.83 |
$51,640 |
5.7 % |
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Life, Physical, and Social Science Occupations top |
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Employment Estimates |
Wage Estimates |
SOC Code Number |
Occupation Title (click on the occupation title to view an occupational profile) |
Employment (1) |
Percent of Total |
Median Hourly |
Mean Hourly |
Mean Annual (2) |
Mean RSE (3) |
19-0000 |
Life, Physical, and Social Science Occupations |
260 |
0.57% |
$31.53 |
$32.25 |
$67,070 |
3.1 % |
19-3021 |
Market Research Analysts |
230 |
0.51% |
$32.65 |
$33.11 |
$68,880 |
3.4 % |
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Legal Occupations top |
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Employment Estimates |
Wage Estimates |
SOC Code Number |
Occupation Title (click on the occupation title to view an occupational profile) |
Employment (1) |
Percent of Total |
Median Hourly |
Mean Hourly |
Mean Annual (2) |
Mean RSE (3) |
23-0000 |
Legal Occupations |
(8) |
(8) |
(8) |
(8) |
(8) |
(8) |
23-1011 |
Lawyers |
40 |
0.09% |
$64.19 |
$65.17 |
$135,550 |
7.7 % |
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Education, Training, and Library Occupations top |
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Employment Estimates |
Wage Estimates |
SOC Code Number |
Occupation Title (click on the occupation title to view an occupational profile) |
Employment (1) |
Percent of Total |
Median Hourly |
Mean Hourly |
Mean Annual (2) |
Mean RSE (3) |
25-0000 |
Education, Training, and Library Occupations |
(8) |
(8) |
(8) |
(8) |
(8) |
(8) |
25-9099 |
Education, Training, and Library Workers, All Other |
(8) |
(8) |
$14.85 |
$16.94 |
$35,240 |
16.7 % |
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Arts, Design, Entertainment, Sports, and Media Occupations top |
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Employment Estimates |
Wage Estimates |
SOC Code Number |
Occupation Title (click on the occupation title to view an occupational profile) |
Employment (1) |
Percent of Total |
Median Hourly |
Mean Hourly |
Mean Annual (2) |
Mean RSE (3) |
27-0000 |
Arts, Design, Entertainment, Sports, and Media Occupations |
1,760 |
3.87% |
$19.53 |
$22.67 |
$47,150 |
5.4 % |
27-1014 |
Multi-Media Artists and Animators |
170 |
0.37% |
$25.46 |
$26.66 |
$55,440 |
5.7 % |
27-1024 |
Graphic Designers |
460 |
1.01% |
$20.20 |
$22.96 |
$47,760 |
9.8 % |
27-3031 |
Public Relations Specialists |
40 |
0.09% |
$26.30 |
$27.70 |
$57,610 |
6.5 % |
27-3041 |
Editors |
60 |
0.13% |
$21.64 |
$21.84 |
$45,430 |
7.2 % |
27-3042 |
Technical Writers |
130 |
0.29% |
$26.50 |
$26.86 |
$55,870 |
4.0 % |
27-4011 |
Audio and Video Equipment Technicians |
190 |
0.42% |
$15.48 |
$16.94 |
$35,230 |
5.8 % |
27-4014 |
Sound Engineering Technicians |
180 |
0.40% |
$16.60 |
$21.01 |
$43,690 |
14.6 % |
27-4032 |
Film and Video Editors |
360 |
0.79% |
$14.24 |
$19.49 |
$40,540 |
7.9 % |
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Protective Service Occupations top |
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Employment Estimates |
Wage Estimates |
SOC Code Number |
Occupation Title (click on the occupation title to view an occupational profile) |
Employment (1) |
Percent of Total |
Median Hourly |
Mean Hourly |
Mean Annual (2) |
Mean RSE (3) |
33-0000 |
Protective Service Occupations |
(8) |
(8) |
(8) |
(8) |
(8) |
(8) |
33-9032 |
Security Guards |
110 |
0.24% |
$11.18 |
$12.12 |
$25,210 |
4.3 % |
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Building and Grounds Cleaning and Maintenance Occupations top |
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Employment Estimates |
Wage Estimates |
SOC Code Number |
Occupation Title (click on the occupation title to view an occupational profile) |
Employment (1) |
Percent of Total |
Median Hourly |
Mean Hourly |
Mean Annual (2) |
Mean RSE (3) |
37-0000 |
Building and Grounds Cleaning and Maintenance Occupations |
140 |
0.31% |
$10.14 |
$11.17 |
$23,230 |
4.5 % |
37-2011 |
Janitors and Cleaners, Except Maids and Housekeeping Cleaners |
130 |
0.29% |
$9.97 |
$10.46 |
$21,760 |
3.4 % |
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Sales and Related Occupations top |
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Employment Estimates |
Wage Estimates |
SOC Code Number |
Occupation Title (click on the occupation title to view an occupational profile) |
Employment (1) |
Percent of Total |
Median Hourly |
Mean Hourly |
Mean Annual (2) |
Mean RSE (3) |
41-0000 |
Sales and Related Occupations |
2,250 |
4.94% |
$26.23 |
$31.69 |
$65,910 |
5.1 % |
41-1012 |
First-Line Supervisors/Managers of Non-Retail Sales Workers |
120 |
0.26% |
$37.97 |
$48.54 |
$100,950 |
14.9 % |
41-2021 |
Counter and Rental Clerks |
(8) |
(8) |
$9.49 |
$11.35 |
$23,600 |
6.2 % |
41-2031 |
Retail Salespersons |
(8) |
(8) |
$24.54 |
$21.92 |
$45,590 |
14.0 % |
41-3099 |
Sales Representatives, Services, All Other |
450 |
0.99% |
$25.11 |
$30.05 |
$62,500 |
7.6 % |
41-4011 |
Sales Representatives, Wholesale and Manufacturing, Technical and Scientific Products |
580 |
1.27% |
$32.77 |
$38.57 |
$80,240 |
7.3 % |
41-4012 |
Sales Representatives, Wholesale and Manufacturing, Except Technical and Scientific Products |
560 |
1.23% |
$24.06 |
$28.19 |
$58,640 |
5.0 % |
41-9031 |
Sales Engineers |
120 |
0.26% |
$33.56 |
$39.65 |
$82,470 |
11.7 % |
41-9099 |
Sales and Related Workers, All Other |
240 |
0.53% |
$20.16 |
$24.16 |
$50,260 |
11.1 % |
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Office and Administrative Support Occupations top |
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Employment Estimates |
Wage Estimates |
SOC Code Number |
Occupation Title (click on the occupation title to view an occupational profile) |
Employment (1) |
Percent of Total |
Median Hourly |
Mean Hourly |
Mean Annual (2) |
Mean RSE (3) |
43-0000 |
Office and Administrative Support Occupations |
6,730 |
14.78% |
$14.08 |
$15.18 |
$31,570 |
2.7 % |
43-1011 |
First-Line Supervisors/Managers of Office and Administrative Support Workers |
540 |
1.19% |
$21.04 |
$23.71 |
$49,320 |
5.8 % |
43-3021 |
Billing and Posting Clerks and Machine Operators |
60 |
0.13% |
$14.77 |
$14.84 |
$30,870 |
3.2 % |
43-3031 |
Bookkeeping, Accounting, and Auditing Clerks |
510 |
1.12% |
$15.25 |
$16.08 |
$33,440 |
2.7 % |
43-3051 |
Payroll and Timekeeping Clerks |
50 |
0.11% |
$16.53 |
$17.35 |
$36,080 |
3.5 % |
43-4051 |
Customer Service Representatives |
1,430 |
3.14% |
$14.96 |
$15.77 |
$32,800 |
4.8 % |
43-4151 |
Order Clerks |
200 |
0.44% |
$13.00 |
$13.87 |
$28,860 |
3.0 % |
43-4161 |
Human Resources Assistants, Except Payroll and Timekeeping |
80 |
0.18% |
$17.84 |
$17.63 |
$36,660 |
2.6 % |
43-4171 |
Receptionists and Information Clerks |
260 |
0.57% |
$12.08 |
$12.36 |
$25,700 |
2.8 % |
43-5061 |
Production, Planning, and Expediting Clerks |
410 |
0.90% |
$16.79 |
$17.33 |
$36,040 |
2.7 % |
43-5071 |
Shipping, Receiving, and Traffic Clerks |
900 |
1.98% |
$12.41 |
$12.94 |
$26,910 |
2.2 % |
43-5081 |
Stock Clerks and Order Fillers |
720 |
1.58% |
$10.26 |
$11.08 |
$23,050 |
4.8 % |
43-6011 |
Executive Secretaries and Administrative Assistants |
350 |
0.77% |
$19.05 |
$19.39 |
$40,330 |
3.2 % |
43-6014 |
Secretaries, Except Legal, Medical, and Executive |
130 |
0.29% |
$14.17 |
$14.48 |
$30,110 |
4.1 % |
43-9011 |
Computer Operators |
110 |
0.24% |
$12.72 |
$13.20 |
$27,450 |
6.5 % |
43-9021 |
Data Entry Keyers |
250 |
0.55% |
$8.64 |
$9.31 |
$19,370 |
5.7 % |
43-9061 |
Office Clerks, General |
500 |
1.10% |
$13.06 |
$13.56 |
$28,200 |
3.3 % |
43-9199 |
Office and Administrative Support Workers, All Other |
(8) |
(8) |
$14.99 |
$15.01 |
$31,220 |
5.2 % |
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Installation, Maintenance, and Repair Occupations top |
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Employment Estimates |
Wage Estimates |
SOC Code Number |
Occupation Title (click on the occupation title to view an occupational profile) |
Employment (1) |
Percent of Total |
Median Hourly |
Mean Hourly |
Mean Annual (2) |
Mean RSE (3) |
49-0000 |
Installation, Maintenance, and Repair Occupations |
1,580 |
3.47% |
$18.13 |
$18.16 |
$37,770 |
3.1 % |
49-1011 |
First-Line Supervisors/Managers of Mechanics, Installers, and Repairers |
70 |
0.15% |
$26.11 |
$26.58 |
$55,280 |
2.8 % |
49-2011 |
Computer, Automated Teller, and Office Machine Repairers |
(8) |
(8) |
$19.89 |
$21.70 |
$45,140 |
2.6 % |
49-2094 |
Electrical and Electronics Repairers, Commercial and Industrial Equipment |
60 |
0.13% |
$17.07 |
$20.89 |
$43,450 |
12.8 % |
49-9041 |
Industrial Machinery Mechanics |
520 |
1.14% |
$18.14 |
$17.93 |
$37,300 |
4.4 % |
49-9042 |
Maintenance and Repair Workers, General |
740 |
1.63% |
$17.75 |
$17.24 |
$35,850 |
4.3 % |
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Production Occupations top |
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Employment Estimates |
Wage Estimates |
SOC Code Number |
Occupation Title (click on the occupation title to view an occupational profile) |
Employment (1) |
Percent of Total |
Median Hourly |
Mean Hourly |
Mean Annual (2) |
Mean RSE (3) |
51-0000 |
Production Occupations |
10,470 |
23.00% |
$13.15 |
$14.56 |
$30,280 |
3.0 % |
51-1011 |
First-Line Supervisors/Managers of Production and Operating Workers |
880 |
1.93% |
$23.11 |
$24.14 |
$50,200 |
3.1 % |
51-2021 |
Coil Winders, Tapers, and Finishers |
80 |
0.18% |
$12.31 |
$12.04 |
$25,040 |
3.3 % |
51-2092 |
Team Assemblers |
2,080 |
4.57% |
$11.16 |
$11.92 |
$24,800 |
4.3 % |
51-2099 |
Assemblers and Fabricators, All Other |
350 |
0.77% |
$15.62 |
$15.61 |
$32,470 |
7.0 % |
51-4031 |
Cutting, Punching, and Press Machine Setters, Operators, and Tenders, Metal and Plastic |
100 |
0.22% |
(8) |
(8) |
(8) |
(8) |
51-4041 |
Machinists |
60 |
0.13% |
$19.02 |
$18.64 |
$38,780 |
2.3 % |
51-4072 |
Molding, Coremaking, and Casting Machine Setters, Operators, and Tenders, Metal and Plastic |
1,440 |
3.16% |
$12.79 |
$13.01 |
$27,070 |
5.1 % |
51-4193 |
Plating and Coating Machine Setters, Operators, and Tenders, Metal and Plastic |
480 |
1.05% |
$12.92 |
$13.14 |
$27,320 |
3.3 % |
51-5023 |
Printing Machine Operators |
310 |
0.68% |
$11.29 |
$12.24 |
$25,470 |
3.9 % |
51-9061 |
Inspectors, Testers, Sorters, Samplers, and Weighers |
950 |
2.09% |
$13.15 |
$14.92 |
$31,030 |
4.5 % |
51-9111 |
Packaging and Filling Machine Operators and Tenders |
560 |
1.23% |
$10.96 |
$11.31 |
$23,530 |
6.4 % |
51-9131 |
Photographic Process Workers |
30 |
0.07% |
$11.90 |
$12.17 |
$25,310 |
2.7 % |
51-9198 |
Helpers--Production Workers |
370 |
0.81% |
$9.13 |
$9.56 |
$19,890 |
3.5 % |
51-9199 |
Production Workers, All Other |
1,390 |
3.05% |
$15.50 |
$16.63 |
$34,600 |
9.8 % |
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Transportation and Material Moving Occupations top |
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Employment Estimates |
Wage Estimates |
SOC Code Number |
Occupation Title (click on the occupation title to view an occupational profile) |
Employment (1) |
Percent of Total |
Median Hourly |
Mean Hourly |
Mean Annual (2) |
Mean RSE (3) |
53-0000 |
Transportation and Material Moving Occupations |
6,830 |
15.00% |
$10.47 |
$11.25 |
$23,390 |
3.3 % |
53-1021 |
First-Line Supervisors/Managers of Helpers, Laborers, and Material Movers, Hand |
240 |
0.53% |
$16.73 |
$18.06 |
$37,570 |
5.9 % |
53-3033 |
Truck Drivers, Light or Delivery Services |
40 |
0.09% |
$10.54 |
$11.23 |
$23,350 |
3.5 % |
53-7051 |
Industrial Truck and Tractor Operators |
730 |
1.60% |
$11.39 |
$11.53 |
$23,990 |
3.8 % |
53-7062 |
Laborers and Freight, Stock, and Material Movers, Hand |
2,280 |
5.01% |
$10.65 |
$11.05 |
$22,990 |
3.1 % |
53-7063 |
Machine Feeders and Offbearers |
1,110 |
2.44% |
$10.31 |
$10.91 |
$22,690 |
7.0 % |
53-7064 |
Packers and Packagers, Hand |
2,230 |
4.90% |
$8.89 |
$9.69 |
$20,160 |
3.0 % |
About May 2005 National Industry-Specific Occupational Employment and Wage Estimates
(1) Estimates for detailed occupations do not sum to the totals because the totals include occupations not shown separately. Estimates do not include self-employed workers.
(2) Annual wages have been calculated by multiplying the hourly mean wage by a "year-round, full-time" hours figure of 2,080 hours;
for those occupations where there is not an hourly mean wage published, the annual wage has been directly calculated from the reported survey data.
(3) The relative standard error (RSE) is a measure of the reliability of a survey statistic. The smaller the relative standard error, the more precise the estimate.
(5) This wage is equal to or greater than $70.00 per hour or $145,600 per year.
(8) Estimates not released.
(9) Wage data for this occupation were removed because of reporting errors.
Other OES estimates and related information:
May 2005 National Occupational Employment and Wage Estimates (cross-industry estimates)
May 2005 State Occupational Employment and Wage Estimates (cross-industry estimates)
May 2005 Metropolitan Area Occupational Employment and Wage Estimates (cross-industry estimates)
May 2005 National Industry-Specific Occupational Employment and Wage Estimates
List of Occupations in SOC Code Number Order
List of Occupations in Alphabetical Order
Download May 2005 Occupational Employment and Wage Estimates in Zipped Excel files
Technical notes
Last Modified Date: November 10, 2008
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