The 10 Most Important Gay Moments in Comic Book History

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All you supporting this f*g crap into our future generations are only promoting the slow dwindling of the human population ad possibly existence as we know it. So yeah keep on brain washing your young ones into believing its okay to have a man love another man or a woman to live another woman. Cuz we all know how healthy it is for kids to be raised by homos and get s**t at school when mom and mama drop them off for class and wonder why everyone else has a daddy and they have two moms or vice versa. This is the beginning of the end folks and I think we all know it deep down inside. This is the structural foundation of the USA and other great nations crumbling. It all begins within the house hold where we are raised, taught values and morals and how the world works. This is a sick SICK mind f**k to put in children's material. I hate homosexuals for the core reason that it is unnatural. No other species have this desire for they mate like they SHOULD. But when you start tearing away at the moral fiber of the American society it is far worse and dangerous than you might think. Look at the US military today where it's "ok to be gay". How many soldiers are going to back up their commanding officer in a life and death situation when It comes down to the final thread, fight or flight. Now I'm not saying that in any way would I leave another comrade despite what their sexuality is, even though I hate them for their ways cuz they are human. BUT knowing how a soldier's mind operates I can tell you this... That about 95% of the US militia today would absolutely think otherwise. Lemme ask you what do you think of when you think of a f*ggot? I'll let stereotype take over for a bit. Now, don't you think that these terrorist ass holes don't think the same thing we are when it comes to stereotyping homos? Who cares what the enemy thinks? I do. In order to get out there and fight like this in the desert of suck town hell on earth you have to mentally motivate yourself by any means necessary. Now, if your army is viewed as a bunch of pansy picking, knob gobblers who decorate their genitals with glitter and confetti don't you think that that is going to psych them up and motivate them to squash the suspected fairy troops the think we are? War is a psychological mind f**k and any advantage you can bolster yourself with is that much better than nothing. This is one example of how homosexuality is unacceptable and shouldn't be flaunted around just because it's stylish. Whoopy! All you homo supporters out there I want u to think back on the men and women that SERVERD THEIR COUNTRY and what they believed in! Just to end up having it ran by a bunch of twisted and confused personnel that get off on playing with the same sex. Makes me sick to my stomach. But let your kids read this garbage it's healthy for them to understand "gay rights". Pfft... Lemme tell ya there is a huge difference between civil rights from years past to this sick s**t. Unbelievable MARVEL! Anything for an extra buck huh?

@EricDiaz I loved your comment, and I completely agree. How can society progress beyond stupid prejudices if people aren't willing to fight for their rights (African-Americans did it, women did it, and gay people are doing it now)?



@Tom If I had a penny for everytime I heard a "straight" guy rant about gay people, but end up being gay himself...

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Oh, but it's alright to appeal to straight girls by including gay male characters? Better to show that a lesbian girl can be strong AND sexy than to perpetuate the 'lesbians are ugly butches' stereotype that girls can hear from each other (or spiteful boys).

Yeah, but when kids are no longer reading comics, the publishers are forced to go to where the money seems to be: spoiled narcissistic emo teens who need their precious "lifestyle" catered to 24/7 and supposedly hip 20/30somethings who feel "enlightened" when they see gay characters in media ostensibly meant for kids. Archie and Jughead will be wearing assless chaps soon enough...

"Love & Rockets" wouldn't make the list because its characters have NEVER been marketed to kids, so gay characters aren't as groundbreaking in that series as they would be in, say, "Uncle Scrooge". I'd imagine that Gyro Gearloose could design a h**l of a vibe...

If you know it's a bad choice of words, why leave it in your comment? Comics should reflect all demographics, not just the demos that they want to pander to.

Young Avengers in no way "bombed" after the reveal. There were only 12 issues of that series to begin with. X-Factor has never been a giant seller, and Detective has been one of the most critically praised mainstream books of the past year, and selling very well considering Batman isn't even in the book right now (it outsells Paul Dini's Batman: Streets of Gotham for example..a book with Batman actually in it) I love how you say these story lines "only" bring in gay people, so therefore suggesting that gay dollars don't count. And maybe your right about one thing; having a gay character may in fact hurt sales in the long run- Good thing Marvel and DC occasionally have the balls not to care. In the 60's, distributors in the South threatened to pull Marvel titles when they made Black Panther prominent-they did it anyway. When Teen Titans did an anti Apartheid issue in the 80's, DC lost their revenue from South Africa; they did it anyway. Because it was the right thing to do, money be damned.

Oh, and yeah...We WILL keep shoving it in people's faces" as you so cleverly put until people "die down and accept" or until WE die; civil rights and our right to be included in society is not exactly something I'm willing to get complacent about, EVER. And it isn't something like poll numbers showing that 60% of Americans are against me or whatever is going to make me stop fighting either. That's just fuel for the fire baby.

And one last thing Jef- If I were to quite buying a book because a character was black or a Jew, then there would be no argument that I was racist. But you dropping a book because of the "gay factor" doesn't make you a homophobe how exactly?

Might have been mentioned earlier, but what about Colossus in Ultimate X-Men? But then again, according to Brian Singer, the entire X-Men comic boils down to one giant gay symbol. F**kin' dick.

Young Avengers bombed after the reveal, so has X-Factor, and Detective comics is the worst selling Batman book, which all you have to do is go to the forums on CBR, ComicVine or anywhere to find out half the people buying it aren't reading, just buying cause they always have.

Fact is, though some of us in the press may praise it, gay heroes in comics hurt sales, Moon Knight tanked after 2 issues which explored one of his friends being gay. And on the Ric/Shatterstar front, they've never been gay, but like beast people have toyed with making them so. In the end, PD did it to get press cause that arc was dropping steadily in sales. Clearly your showing a bias by declaring Rob a homophobe, no one has ever done more hard to the gay movement in comics then what Marvel is doing right now.

They're taking classic NON gay heroes and making them gay, if you really want to make someone gay, then come up with a strong NEW gay hero, rather then make weaker cult favorites the gay heroes.

All this is pointless however when the only people who these story-lines bring in are gay and people who want to see what the fuss is about. X-Factor sold quite a it of those few issues, and now yet again it's sales aren't as good. Despite what some in the press say, being Gay in a comic doesn't help in the long run. Recent polls show that 60% of Americans are sick of the gay rights, "your with us or a homophobe we hate" mantra. Does that matter? No, because the pro-gay people are just going to keep shoving it (bad choice of words) in peoples faces until they die down and accept it. . . Which is why many of us just quit buying these books when they decide to blatantly use the "gay factor" to stir up a response.

The 10 Most Important Gay Moments in Superhero Comic Book History. It's a small change, but an accurate one. Regardless of the size of the audience it's important not to confuse people.

Geoff Johns (one of the authors of your so-called "Wangst" books) just got a profile in New York Times magazine in it's "Nifty 50". So, on the basis that only indie books (some of which are pretentious as their fans) you're wrong.

Right, but looking at the numbers, the movies, and the big 2 which no matter how much we love other stuff (My favorite two presses are Image and Oni), are still the leading name in comic book sales.

The paradigm is shifting, but this list has something to do with comic book history, which takes into the account the old and its changes. These are pivotal points in comics history because first and foremost people still regard "comics" as a medium for fantasy.

You'll see many more people picking up the latest Green Lantern this month than you will a Daniel Clowes book.

This, then, boils down to influence. Who has the highest influence? The big 2. So which moments are most important? The ones that happen in the big 2 using characters and people that kids are growing up with. Not characters that, although arguably better and very deep, will just end up as an indie movie.

OK, so is it more important when a small indie comic does something that you pretty much expect them anyway, or when it becomes so commonplace that it his the mainstream?

Yeah, I'm sure Alan Moore REALLY had a hard time getting through that storyline. Love and Rockets I'm sure REALLY had to fight hard to get their storyline in, etc. etc. (sarcasm)

The most important part was when gay storylines made it into the mainstream. This mean Liefeld was over and the biggest companies in the industry are wiling to treat something like it is the normative part of culture that it is when it used to be trivialized/demonized.

It's a MUCH bigger step forward coming from the big 2 or mainstream superhero comics than it is from indie comics who are writing for a niche audience anyway.

Leaving out Maggie and Hopey from Love and Rockets, Stuck Rubber Baby, and other non-superhero comics that have advanced equality and recognition for gays is also pretty reprehensible.