[NIFL-ESL:9980] RE: adult ed ESL requirements

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What are CBO's?
Susan


>From: bodman@ucc.edu
>Reply-To: nifl-esl@nifl.gov
>To: Multiple recipients of list <nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov>
>Subject: [NIFL-ESL:9979] RE: adult ed ESL requirements
>Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 17:16:29 -0500 (EST)
>
>What are acceptable minimal qualifications for an ABE/ESL teacher in a
>standard school district or community college-both of which are usually 
>part
>of a larger bureaucratic system?
>
>We (in NY and NJ) have waged a battle since the late l970s to make
>certification a requirement for language teaching (ESL included) and
>bilingual education.  We now have both.  The essence of both programs is
>that there is a minimum amount of professional knowledge, a minimum amount
>of subject matter knowledge, and a minimum proficiency in the target
>language or languages that is required.  After all, the reasoning goes, one
>cannot be a math teacher simply because one is sympathetic and kind as well
>as familiar with numbers in their everyday life.  In a similar manner, a
>native-speaking knowledge of English does not mean that one knows how to
>organize and explain it or teach it.  After these minimums have been met,
>then employers can begin to assess all the other myriad factors that are
>required in teaching, such as: classroom management, use of appropriate
>methodologies, techniques, etc.
>
>At the college level, an M.A. in TESOL and (at least one year) 
>college-level
>teaching experience (as an adjunct)is now almost always required.  
>Full-time
>jobs are so scarce in this area that most openings are filled by people 
>with
>doctorates and many years of experience, publications, etc.  Bilingual
>college positions usually require native or near-native proficiency in two
>or more languages and an M.A. in the subject to be taught.  Recently, in an
>effort to "balance" faculties, almost no jobs are being filled unless the
>candidate has all the above and is either a native speaker of Haitian
>Creole, South or Latin American Spanish, or African-American.  Anglo males
>have a particularly difficult, if not impossible, time finding work in
>community colleges.
>
>And what about staff in CBO's ?  What should be the minimum qualifications
>for these teachers?
>
>In NY and NJ, most CBOs, if they are LEAs, must hire first from within the
>school system.  Any presently-employed teacher has preference over a more
>highly qualified "outsider."  In other CBOs, the qualification is usually
>that they be a native speaker of English or that they have a college degree
>from another country.  No further training is required.  Students vote with
>their feet and the director uses this as a basis for rehiring.
>
>Should qualifications for all teachers be the same regardless of setting, 
>or
>should/must the differences in mission and organization be taken into
>account?
>
>It would be a wonderful goal to set.  Yes.  However, given the politics and
>the reality of sometimes having to hire whomever you can get, no.
>
>Jean Bodman
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Pecoraro, Diane [mailto:Diane.Pecoraro@state.mn.us]
>Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 12:42 PM
>To: Multiple recipients of list
>Subject: [NIFL-ESL:9978] RE: adult ed ESL requirements
>
>
>As the percentage of ESL learners in ABE programs grows, and with the
>addition of community-based organizations(CBO's) as service providers, the
>issue of qualifications is valid and raises questions. I will pose a few 
>for
>discussion.
>
>What are acceptable minimal qualifications for an ABE/ESL teacher in a
>standard school district or community college-both of which are usually 
>part
>of a larger bureaucratic system?
>
>And what about staff in CBO's ?  What should be the minimum qualifications
>for these teachers?
>
>Should qualifications for all teachers be the same regardless of setting, 
>or
>should/must the differences in mission and organization be taken into
>account?
>
>This should stoke a few comments.  I hope so!
>
>Diane Pecoraro
>MN Department of Education
>1500 Highway 36 West
>Roseville, MN 55113
>651 582-8424
>diane.pecoraro@state.mn.us
>Fax. 651 634-5154
>
>  -----Original Message-----
>From: 	Betsy Kubota [mailto:bkubota@comcast.net]
>Sent:	Wednesday, March 03, 2004 9:59 AM
>To:	Multiple recipients of list
>Subject:	[NIFL-ESL:9974] RE: adult ed ESL requirements
>
>If you go to Common Qualifications for ESOL Teachers at
>http://www.tesol.org/careers/counsel/qualifications.html
>you will find the information the "other" Ms. Kubota was refering to.
>There are some states that have mandated standards for Adult ESL teachers
>but most still do not have any set requirements so it is up to the
>individual program.
>
>Betsy Kubota
>Harper College
>Palatine, IL
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: nifl-esl@nifl.gov [mailto:nifl-esl@nifl.gov]On Behalf Of Frances
>Keenan
>Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 9:42 AM
>To: Multiple recipients of list
>Subject: [NIFL-ESL:9972] adult ed ESL requirements
>
>
>Unless I missed it, I do not see anything on the TESOL site about
>requirements for adult education ESL teaching. I don't believe such a
>list is maintained at the national level.
>
>It would be a great resource for the field if it were developed!
>
>Fran
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: nifl-esl@nifl.gov [mailto:nifl-esl@nifl.gov] On Behalf Of carol E.
>Kubota
>Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 8:13 PM
>To: Multiple recipients of list
>Subject: [NIFL-ESL:9969] Re: question on intensity of instruction and
>
>
>Dear Diane,
>
>If you go to the website of TESOL, www.tesol.org,you will find
>information about the ESL certificate.  Each state has different
>requirements, but the information on TESOL applies to almost all
>situations.
>
>Carol E. Kubota
>Director/Language and Culture Specialist
>Battle Creek Language and Culture Center
>7 Heritage Oak Lane #4
>Battle Creek, Mi. 49015
>www.bclanguageculture.com
>
> > What is an ESL Certificate?
> >
> > Diane Pecoraro
> > MN Department of Education
> > 1500 Highway 36 West
> > Roseville, MN 55113
> > 651 582-8424
> > diane.pecoraro@state.mn.us
> > Fax. 651 634-5154
> >
> >  -----Original Message-----
> > From: 	kate.diggins [mailto:kate.diggins@slc.k12.ut.us]
> > Sent:	Tuesday, March 02, 2004 12:43 PM
> > To:	Multiple recipients of list
> > Subject:	[NIFL-ESL:9963] Re: question on intensity of
>instruction and
> > teacher qualification
> >
> > Hi, Lisa!
> >
> > I'm with Guadalupe Schools in Salt Lake City.  Private non-profit
>that
> > utilizes community volunteers on site to deliver instruction to small
>groups
> >
> > of low-income adult immigrants.  We provide ESL and US Citizenship.
> >
> > Intensity:  4 hours per week, 48 weeks per year.
> >
> > Qualifications:  Minimum would be an ESL Certificate, although an MA-
>TESL is
> >
> > preferred.  On our staff of 6 persons, we have 4 with MA-TESLs, one
>with an
> > ESL Certificate, and one without qualifications who has been with the
> > program since its inception many years ago.
> >
> > Many thanks for your hard work!
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------- Original Message -----------
> > From: "Lisa Soricone" <soricoli@gse.harvard.edu>
> > To: Multiple recipients of list <nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov>
> > Sent: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 13:21:05 -0500 (EST)
> > Subject: [NIFL-ESL:9961] question on intensity of instruction and
>teacher
> > qualification
> >
> > > Hello --
> > > As some of you may already know, a team of researchers at the
> > > National Center for the Study of Adult Learning and Literacy
>(NCSALL)
> > >  is currently developing an evidence- or research-based model for
> > > adult basic education programs.  In the course of our work, two
> > > issues have come up, around which I would appreciate some feedback
> > > from people working in the field:
> > >
> > > 1) intensity of instruction
> > > What do your programs tend to look like, with respect to the
> > > intensity of instruction offered -- that is, how many hours are
> > > provided per week, for how many weeks in the year?
> > >
> > > 2) teacher qualification
> > > We are trying to move beyond simply saying that programs need to
> > > hired "qualified staff."  What exactly does it mean to be a
> > > qualified teacher/administrator/counselor in ABE?  More
>specifically,
> > >  what do you consider the most essential qualifications for ABE
> > > instructors in general? GED instructors? ESOL instructors? ABE
> > administrators?
> > > ABE counselors?
> > >
> > > I appreciate your sharing your thoughts on these issues and look
> > > forward to hearing from you.
> > >
> > > Lisa Soricone
> > > Research Associate
> > > National Center for the Study of Adult Learning and Literacy
> > ------- End of Original Message -------
> >
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