Return-Path: <nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov> Received: from literacy (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by literacy.nifl.gov (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id i2G1EgI21524; Mon, 15 Mar 2004 20:14:42 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 20:14:42 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <005d01c40b0c$fa91f8c0$9501a8c0@verizon.net> Errors-To: listowner@literacy.nifl.gov Reply-To: nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov Originator: nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov Sender: nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov Precedence: bulk From: "Nell Eckersley" <nell@jchb.org> To: Multiple recipients of list <nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov> Subject: [NIFL-ESL:10056] RE: adult ed ESL requirements X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; Status: O Content-Length: 7729 Lines: 257 when's your birthday :) Nell ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Lyons" <johnlyons@nmic.org> To: "Multiple recipients of list" <nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov> Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 4:51 PM Subject: [NIFL-ESL:10055] RE: adult ed ESL requirements > I just checked the UPS website and the B-Day gift has finally arrived. > > John Lyons - Director > Adult Education Program > Northern Manhattan Improvement Corporation > 76 Wadsworth Avenue > New York, NY 10033 > TEL: (212) 822-8320 > FAX: (212) 928-4180 > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nifl-esl@nifl.gov [mailto:nifl-esl@nifl.gov] On Behalf Of Valley > Peters > Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 3:28 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [NIFL-ESL:10049] RE: adult ed ESL requirements > > > I think we've hit on an extremely important topic - > training. In our small community we don't find many > people with experience in teaching ESL to adults. We > do a lot of professional development with our > teachers, mostly through readings and reflective > journaling. I feel this isn't enough and I am > interested, Ujwala (and anyone else,) how you would characterize > specific, systematic ESOL training. What does that really look like? > Can you expand on that a bit? > > Thank you for sharing your knowledge and experiences, > Valley Peters > Adult Program Coordinator > Teton Literacy Program > > --- Ujwala Samant <lalumineuse@yahoo.com> wrote: > > Susan, > > > > I completely agree that there needs to be specific, systematic ESOL > > training. > > > > regards > > Ujwala > > > > --- Susan Ryan <susanefl@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > Diane--I think there should be specific ESL > > > training. I don't think teaching > > > ESL is like teaching English to English speakers > > as > > > an academic subject at > > > all. Why would someone who wants to teach it > > object > > > to getting some > > > training? You wouldn't go and teach another > > subject > > > without qualification. > > > Nor would you go into another field of work > > without > > > specific training, would > > > you? > > > Susan > > > > > > > > > >From: "Pecoraro, Diane" > > > <Diane.Pecoraro@state.mn.us> > > > >Reply-To: nifl-esl@nifl.gov > > > >To: Multiple recipients of list > > > <nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov> > > > >Subject: [NIFL-ESL:10026] RE: adult ed ESL > > > requirements > > > >Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 15:30:36 -0500 (EST) > > > > > > > >This has been an interesting discussion about > > what > > > requirements ABE > > > >teachers > > > >in school districts and community-based > > > organizations( CBO's) should have. > > > > > > > >I will add another layer to the question: What > > > would you out there > > > >recommend as qualifications for teachers who are > > > not licensed and have no > > > >specific ESL academic training who want to teach? > > > > > > > >. We know that often unlicensed teachers may be > > > successful in the > > > >classroom, but what kinds of experience will tell > > > us that? > > > > > > > >Diane Pecoraro > > > >MN Department of Education > > > >1500 Highway 36 West > > > >Roseville, MN 55113 > > > >651 582-8424 > > > >diane.pecoraro@state.mn.us > > > >Fax. 651 634-5154 > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > >From: ttweeton@comcast.net > > > [mailto:ttweeton@comcast.net] > > > >Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 11:31 AM > > > >To: Multiple recipients of list > > > >Subject: [NIFL-ESL:10023] RE: adult ed ESL > > > requirements > > > > > > > > Yvonne says" I am > > > >a strong proponent of hiring the best candidates > > > for the job and not being > > > >constrained by artificial measures such as > > > irrelevant teaching > > > >certificates." > > > >Yvonne Lerew > > > > > > > >Yvonne I have to take issue with you on the > > subject > > > of having or not having > > > >a teaching certificate. Know HOW to teach and > > WHAT > > > to teach, with what > > > >method makes all the difference in helping > > > students to learn effectively > > > >and well and NOT haphadzardly without good > > > direction. I see this > > > >difference all the time with my colleagues . > > There > > > simply is a difference > > > >between those who have been well trained and > > those > > > who are still in the > > > >process of getting their certificates here in > > > Florida. Having a natural > > > >talent to relate well to the students is a gift > > and > > > it helps but just isn't > > > >the whole story when it comes to effective > > > teaching. > > > >Tanya Tweeton > > > >ESOL and GED programs > > > >Fort Lauderdale, Florida > > > > > My program requires the same - a BA and > > relevant > > > cross-cultural/ESL/etc. > > > > > experience. We have some WONDERFUL teachers > > who > > > we would not have been > > > > > able to hire had there been a requirement been > > a > > > K-12 teacher > > > > > certificate. One has a BA in English and 4 > > > years experience teaching in > > > > > Japan and China. One has a BA in English and > > > History and volunteered > > > >both > > > > > > > > > with our program and other adult literacy > > > programs prior to being > > > > > hired. Another is a burned-out nurse, > > > volunteered with our program, > > > > > traveled to Bosnia, and is one of the best > > > beginning level teachers I > > > >have > > > > > > > > > seen. Of course we do have a few teachers who > > > are certified k-12 > > > >teachers, > > > > > however it is not the certification that makes > > > them a strong teacher. I > > > >am > > > > > a strong proponent of hiring the best > > candidates > > > for the job and not > > > >being > > > > > > > > > constrained by artificial measures such as > > > irrelevant teaching > > > >certificates. > > > > > Yvonne Lerew > > > > > Education Program Coordinator > > > > > Lutheran Social Services of SD > > > > > Refugee and Immigration Programs > > > > > At 02:26 PM 3/6/2004 -0500, you wrote: > > > > > >My 2 cents. Our department requires a B.A., > > > preferably in Education or > > > > > >related field, and much attention/preference > > > given to > > > > > >teaching/multicultural/ESL/adult > > ed./volunteer/ > > > etc/etc experience. > > > > > > > > > > > >Mona Curtis > > > > > >ESL Coordinator > > > > > >Treasure Valley Community College > > > > > >650 College Blvd. > > > > > >Ontario, OR 97914 > > > > > >www.tvcc.cc > > > > > >541-881-8822 x 316 > > > > > >fax 541-881-2747 > > > > > > >>> lalumineuse@yahoo.com 03/04/04 01:21 AM > > > >>> > > > > > >CBO= Community based organisation. > > > > > > > > > > > >In NJ, at least last year when I lived there, > > > all one > > > > > >needed was a teaching certification. In any > > > subject. > > > > > >When we observed classes across NJ, not all > > > teachers > > > > > >entered their profession (teaching adult > > ESOL) > > > with > > > > > >any background in ESOL or teaching adults. > > > > > > > > > > > >I am glad to hear that things have changed. > > We > > > will > > > > > >perhaps not see any more Kindergarten > > teachers > > > > > >speaking loudly, showing flashcards to 60 > > year > > > olds. > > > > > > > > > > > >regards, > > > > > >Ujwala Samant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--- Susan Ryan <susanefl@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > What are CBO's? > > > > > > > Susan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: bodman@ucc.edu > > > > > > > >Reply-To: nifl-esl@nifl.gov > > > > > > > >To: Multiple recipients of list > > > > > > > <nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov> > > > > > > > >Subject: [NIFL-ESL:9979] RE: adult ed ESL > > > > > > > requirements > > > === message truncated === > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! 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