Return-Path: <nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov> Received: from literacy (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by literacy.nifl.gov (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id i2G5RjI24069; Tue, 16 Mar 2004 00:27:45 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 00:27:45 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <1079414607.40568f4f1009e@webmailapp1.cc.utexas.edu> Errors-To: listowner@literacy.nifl.gov Reply-To: nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov Originator: nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov Sender: nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov Precedence: bulk From: mdryden@mail.utexas.edu To: Multiple recipients of list <nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov> Subject: [NIFL-ESL:10058] RE: adult ed ESL requirements X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Status: O Content-Length: 8558 Lines: 265 Yes, I worked in a program where some good training was available, through our statewide professional development organization; however, our program did not call upon them often enough, so I trained myself through ERIC digests, before I puusued graduate studies in teaching ESL. I was going to respond, before Laurie's contribution, that training would fall into classifications such as curricula, ESL teaching methods, program standards, cross-cultural communication, etc. Eric Digests, as Laurie points out, provide training within some of these same classifications. I have given trainings where specific groups of teachers (about 4 teachers in each group) would cover digests within particular classifications, and then, following discussion, a spokesperson from each group would share the most important points they had learned within their area, along with practical applications/examples of relevance. This led to some fascinating, valuable, and elucidating discussions among the audience. Marianne Dryden Quoting Laurie Ketzenberg <lketzenberg@resolutionpictures.com>: > The ERIC Digests are very informative and provide practical applications in > adult ESL. Providing In-Services wherein faculty can share what they've > gleaned from assigned readings is a great way for teachers to learn by > connecting theory w/practice. There are some great digests to choose from. > > Laurie > > > From: Valley Peters <valleydemt@yahoo.com> > > Reply-To: nifl-esl@nifl.gov > > Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 15:27:47 -0500 (EST) > > To: Multiple recipients of list <nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov> > > Subject: [NIFL-ESL:10049] RE: adult ed ESL requirements > > > > I think we've hit on an extremely important topic - > > training. In our small community we don't find many > > people with experience in teaching ESL to adults. We > > do a lot of professional development with our > > teachers, mostly through readings and reflective > > journaling. I feel this isn't enough and I am > > interested, Ujwala (and anyone else,) how you would > > characterize specific, systematic ESOL training. What > > does that really look like? Can you expand on that a > > bit? > > > > Thank you for sharing your knowledge and experiences, > > Valley Peters > > Adult Program Coordinator > > Teton Literacy Program > > > > --- Ujwala Samant <lalumineuse@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> Susan, > >> > >> I completely agree that there needs to be specific, > >> systematic ESOL training. > >> > >> regards > >> Ujwala > >> > >> --- Susan Ryan <susanefl@hotmail.com> wrote: > >>> Diane--I think there should be specific ESL > >>> training. I don't think teaching > >>> ESL is like teaching English to English speakers > >> as > >>> an academic subject at > >>> all. Why would someone who wants to teach it > >> object > >>> to getting some > >>> training? You wouldn't go and teach another > >> subject > >>> without qualification. > >>> Nor would you go into another field of work > >> without > >>> specific training, would > >>> you? > >>> Susan > >>> > >>> > >>>> From: "Pecoraro, Diane" > >>> <Diane.Pecoraro@state.mn.us> > >>>> Reply-To: nifl-esl@nifl.gov > >>>> To: Multiple recipients of list > >>> <nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov> > >>>> Subject: [NIFL-ESL:10026] RE: adult ed ESL > >>> requirements > >>>> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 15:30:36 -0500 (EST) > >>>> > >>>> This has been an interesting discussion about > >> what > >>> requirements ABE > >>>> teachers > >>>> in school districts and community-based > >>> organizations( CBO's) should have. > >>>> > >>>> I will add another layer to the question: What > >>> would you out there > >>>> recommend as qualifications for teachers who are > >>> not licensed and have no > >>>> specific ESL academic training who want to teach? > >>>> > >>>> . We know that often unlicensed teachers may be > >>> successful in the > >>>> classroom, but what kinds of experience will tell > >>> us that? > >>>> > >>>> Diane Pecoraro > >>>> MN Department of Education > >>>> 1500 Highway 36 West > >>>> Roseville, MN 55113 > >>>> 651 582-8424 > >>>> diane.pecoraro@state.mn.us > >>>> Fax. 651 634-5154 > >>>> > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> From: ttweeton@comcast.net > >>> [mailto:ttweeton@comcast.net] > >>>> Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 11:31 AM > >>>> To: Multiple recipients of list > >>>> Subject: [NIFL-ESL:10023] RE: adult ed ESL > >>> requirements > >>>> > >>>> Yvonne says" I am > >>>> a strong proponent of hiring the best candidates > >>> for the job and not being > >>>> constrained by artificial measures such as > >>> irrelevant teaching > >>>> certificates." > >>>> Yvonne Lerew > >>>> > >>>> Yvonne I have to take issue with you on the > >> subject > >>> of having or not having > >>>> a teaching certificate. Know HOW to teach and > >> WHAT > >>> to teach, with what > >>>> method makes all the difference in helping > >>> students to learn effectively > >>>> and well and NOT haphadzardly without good > >>> direction. I see this > >>>> difference all the time with my colleagues . > >> There > >>> simply is a difference > >>>> between those who have been well trained and > >> those > >>> who are still in the > >>>> process of getting their certificates here in > >>> Florida. Having a natural > >>>> talent to relate well to the students is a gift > >> and > >>> it helps but just isn't > >>>> the whole story when it comes to effective > >>> teaching. > >>>> Tanya Tweeton > >>>> ESOL and GED programs > >>>> Fort Lauderdale, Florida > >>>>> My program requires the same - a BA and > >> relevant > >>> cross-cultural/ESL/etc. > >>>>> experience. We have some WONDERFUL teachers > >> who > >>> we would not have been > >>>>> able to hire had there been a requirement been > >> a > >>> K-12 teacher > >>>>> certificate. One has a BA in English and 4 > >>> years experience teaching in > >>>>> Japan and China. One has a BA in English and > >>> History and volunteered > >>>> both > >>>> > >>>>> with our program and other adult literacy > >>> programs prior to being > >>>>> hired. Another is a burned-out nurse, > >>> volunteered with our program, > >>>>> traveled to Bosnia, and is one of the best > >>> beginning level teachers I > >>>> have > >>>> > >>>>> seen. Of course we do have a few teachers who > >>> are certified k-12 > >>>> teachers, > >>>>> however it is not the certification that makes > >>> them a strong teacher. I > >>>> am > >>>>> a strong proponent of hiring the best > >> candidates > >>> for the job and not > >>>> being > >>>> > >>>>> constrained by artificial measures such as > >>> irrelevant teaching > >>>> certificates. > >>>>> Yvonne Lerew > >>>>> Education Program Coordinator > >>>>> Lutheran Social Services of SD > >>>>> Refugee and Immigration Programs > >>>>> At 02:26 PM 3/6/2004 -0500, you wrote: > >>>>>> My 2 cents. Our department requires a B.A., > >>> preferably in Education or > >>>>>> related field, and much attention/preference > >>> given to > >>>>>> teaching/multicultural/ESL/adult > >> ed./volunteer/ > >>> etc/etc experience. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Mona Curtis > >>>>>> ESL Coordinator > >>>>>> Treasure Valley Community College > >>>>>> 650 College Blvd. > >>>>>> Ontario, OR 97914 > >>>>>> www.tvcc.cc > >>>>>> 541-881-8822 x 316 > >>>>>> fax 541-881-2747 > >>>>>>>>> lalumineuse@yahoo.com 03/04/04 01:21 AM > >>>>>> > >>>>>> CBO= Community based organisation. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> In NJ, at least last year when I lived there, > >>> all one > >>>>>> needed was a teaching certification. In any > >>> subject. > >>>>>> When we observed classes across NJ, not all > >>> teachers > >>>>>> entered their profession (teaching adult > >> ESOL) > >>> with > >>>>>> any background in ESOL or teaching adults. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I am glad to hear that things have changed. > >> We > >>> will > >>>>>> perhaps not see any more Kindergarten > >> teachers > >>>>>> speaking loudly, showing flashcards to 60 > >> year > >>> olds. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> regards, > >>>>>> Ujwala Samant > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> --- Susan Ryan <susanefl@hotmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>>> What are CBO's? > >>>>>>> Susan > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> From: bodman@ucc.edu > >>>>>>>> Reply-To: nifl-esl@nifl.gov > >>>>>>>> To: Multiple recipients of list > >>>>>>> <nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov> > >>>>>>>> Subject: [NIFL-ESL:9979] RE: adult ed ESL > >>>>>>> requirements > >> > > === message truncated === > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! 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