I agree Alex. I am a health writer and often find that the clinical specialists choose the more formal language because they feel it reflects very well on their department. I was even told to only focus on the grammar for one document, and not to worry about the "important stuff".

In my writing I find myself correcting the grammatical errors that a lot of Canadians make in their speech. I hear "I seen" a lot, as well as "Is there any left of those?". In my travels, I have found that every region has its own colloquial quirks...should that be reflected in its promotional materials?

I very much prefer the second person when writing.

Nicola

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Hello good people of the list,

With regards to writing how we talk, that's a huge topic, and there's no
definitive black-and-white conclusion.

Using our examples, I would have no qualms about writing "Your dominant
hand is the one you write with," but using "their" as singular jolts me
like an unexpected speed bump.

Obviously, writing and speaking differ in many ways, and of course we all
speak and write differently in different situations.  For example, you talk
to your mother differently from how you talk in a job interview, and you
write a note to this list differently than you write a postcard to a loved
one.  (I'm rashly assuming.)

Still, I don't think that styles of writing and styles of speaking can
necessarily substitute for one another, meaning that a casual tone in
conversation still doesn't match that same casual tone in writing.  A big
part of the difference comes from the reality that a listener gets only one
chance to hear and interpret a spoken sentence, while a reader can peruse
the same text over and over.  If a listener wants to hear the sentence
again to increase understanding, it's extremely likely that the speaker
will rephrase it, or at least put stresses in different places.  With
writing, of course, we have the opportunity to think in great detail about
what we're typing, which, in the hands of a good writer, increases the
opportunity for clarity up front.

So I'm all for a casual tone in the type of writing we're discussing,
because I believe that formal writing styles are often somewhat stilted and
more difficult to understand*, but I think that writing in the same way we
speak is neither better nor worse: the two modes of communication are not
interchangeable, so writing-as-speaking does not necessarily lead to
increased intelligibility in low-literacy material.

     ...Alex...


* e.g., that sentence.





                                                                           
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I agree with Kristina that writing "the way we talk" is usually clearer,
even if it is technically grammatically incorrect. It's an interesting
concept that well educated people talk in a certain way, which is
grammatically correct, but may be more confusing to people with literacy
or English challenges. And this way is usually how we are "supposed" to
write.

The gender question that we've been discussing is one example of that,
but there are many others. For example, the rule that no sentence can
end with a preposition. Which is clearer:

Your dominant hand is the one you write with.
or
Your dominant hand is the one with which you write.

(I know we could say ..."the one you use to write", but sometimes, the
sentence structures abobe seem to be the only choices.)

What do the plain language folks think about this? And others? Can we
write more colloquially, and is it clearer or not?

All the best,
Julie



Julie McKinney
Health Literacy List Moderator
World Education
jmckinney at worlded.org



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