Return-Path: <nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov> Received: from literacy (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by literacy.nifl.gov (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id j7NFOYG12970; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 11:24:34 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 11:24:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <s30aea90.080@ontario-mail.tvcc.cc> Errors-To: listowner@literacy.nifl.gov Reply-To: nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov Originator: nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov Sender: nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov Precedence: bulk From: "Mona Curtis" <MCurtis@tvcc.cc> To: Multiple recipients of list <nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov> Subject: [NIFL-ESL:11079] Re: Thank You and Continued Search for X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.1 Status: O Content-Length: 17431 Lines: 533 What's UMBC? Mona Curtis ESL Coordinator Treasure Valley Community College 650 College Blvd. Ontario, OR 97914 www.tvcc.cc 541-881-8822 x 316 fax 541-881-2747 >>> tjjhjr@netscape.net 08/20/05 09:01AM >>> This is what was done in Fredick , Maryland where the ESL staff instructed us....under observation from UMBC...."you are here to help us warehopuse them until they quit"...fortunately for those students the Office of Civil Rights US DEPT of ED forced that district, whose program had ties to UMBC, to sign a 12 point agreement which goes beyond this email and gets to the heart of EQUITABLE EDUCATION .....AND BEYOND 54 STUDENTS IN A ROOM, SEGREGATION BY LANGUAGE, COMPUTER USE FOR ALL STUDENTS, NOT JUST 'AMERICANS', OPEN RECORDS, BOOKS AND MATERIAL, AND MUCH MUCH MORE......TO PREACH ONE THING AND DO ANOTHER IS SAD Jodi Crandall <crandall@umbc.edu> wrote: >If I sent this previously, apologies, but I just found this in my "drafts:: >------ >I have read the discussion on Caribbean students with interest, and >though my experience is more with students from secondary settings, I >thought I'd provide what I learned in working for several years with >these students and their teachers. > >This question is not new to ESL. The issue of what to do with students >who come from countries in which English is an official >language--usually those countries which were British colonies--is one >that is very timely in K-12 education in both the United States and >Canada. The situation is complex, but let me try to indicate some of >what those of us who have worked in this area have learned and how it >might apply to adult education. > >Students from these countries--if they are educated!--learn a variety of >standard English in their countries which is somewhat different from >American English, but is nonetheless, intelligible to American teachers >and these students should be placed with English-speaking students. >They will have some differences in their English (pronunciation, some >vocabulary items, etc.) but these will not be substantial enough to >prevent them from participating in mainstream classrooms. However, many >of those coming from Caribbean countries where English is the offiicial >language and the language of education (countries such as Jamaica, >Trinidad and Tobago, Belize, etc.) and from West African countries like >Liberia, Ghana, etc. have limited formal schooling, and thus, they speak >(and more importantly, write) a Creolized variety of English which >contains features which are more reflective of the African languages >that are part of those Creoles, than of the more Standard Englishes that >are spoken by educated people in their countries. > >The unfortunate part of this is that in places where there are few >speakers of Caribbean (or West-African) Englishes with limited formal >schooling, these students will likely be placed with ESL students. >Neither the reading specialist nor the regular classroom (or English) >teacher (or in adult education, the ABE instructor) feels qualified to >teach someone whose English is so different from that spoken by other >English-speaking students. However, the students DO speak English and >are thus, not surprisingly, quite insulted when they are viewed as being >non-native speakers. Their problems are different from those of >students from other language backgrounds; they are also different from >English-speaking adults with limited reading or writing skills. > >We can only expect this situation to grow in the US, since there are now >more than 60 countries in which English is an official language and >children have some (often limited) opportunity to speak English, though >their education in that language may be limited. Again, however, those >who have substantial education in whatever variety of English will not >have as much difficulty in U.S. educational contexts, since educated (or >standard) varieties of English around the world (which are based on >written varieties) do not differ nearly as much as oral varieties. > >I've provided a website with an article I wrote about this for the >ERIC/CLL News Bulletin, "The DO Speak English: World Englishes in U.S. >Schools" whicht discusses the issue and provides concrete suggestions >for appropriate instruction, especially for adolescents. Some of the >guidelines include: >--Fostering an atmosphere of respect for different varieties of English >--Building on the English varieties students bring to class >--Focusing on developing written Standard American English >--Being explicit about differences between students' Englishes and >Standard American English >--Being cautious in interpreting the results of standardized tests in >English >--Developing special instructional programs for those with limited >literacy or formal schooling > > > >http://www.cal.org/resources/news/2003summer/sum03newsfinal.pdf > > > >JUDITH SINCLAIR wrote: > >>Once again, we appreciate Ms. Chitester's comments, >>and we most certainly welcome other responses to our original request. >> >>Thank you. >> >>Dr. Judith Sinclair >>Sinclair & Associates International, LLC >>Main Office: Washington, DC >> >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Deborah Jill Chitester MS CCC SLP" <djcslp@slllc.org> >>To: "Multiple recipients of list" <nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov> >>Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 5:54 PM >>Subject: [NIFL-ESL:11040] Re: Thank You and Continued Search for Caribbean >>Students Information >> >> >> >> >>>Further, students who self identify as English speaking may be not >>>reliable >>>and often are not. English literate CALP and English basic BICs are very >>>different. Self identification should be eliminated via a standardized >>>measure or some other informal instrument.The response was not a review >>>but >>>consisted of guesses based on sketchy, incomplete info needed for a valid >>>comrpehensive response. I am sorry if this offends you which it appears >>>but >>>I am an expert in this area and do these case analyses daily and know what >>>info needs to be supplied. if the info is not available, then the >>>implication is more needs to be done on your end to exclude or include >>>various phenomena as accounting for various issues etc you note and >>>observe.Thank you ....I feel somewhat uncomfortable by your response and >>>lord knows I am busy so for now I m signing off. Thanks >>>****************************************************************** >>>DEBORAH JILL CHITESTER M.S.,CCC/SLP >>>Bilingual Speech-Language Pathologist >>>Second Language, Literacy & Learning Connection, LLC >>> -Attaining Success for Second Language Learners- >>>Web Site: www.SLLLC.org >>>E-mail: djcslp@slllc.org >>>732-398-1796(Tel/Fax), 732-642-5118 (cell) >>>Confidentiality Notice: This transmission may contain information that is >>>privileged, >>>confidential and/or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you >>>are >>>not >>>the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, >>>copying, >>>distribution, or use of the information contained herein including any >>>reliance >>>thereon is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you received this transmission in >>>error, >>>please immediately contact the sender and destroy the material in its >>>entirety, >>>whether in electronic or hard copy format. Thank you. >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Deborah J.C. MS CCC/SLP" <deb_bil_slp@yahoo.com> >>>To: "Multiple recipients of list" <nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov> >>>Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 5:46 PM >>>Subject: [NIFL-ESL:11039] Re: Thank You and Continued Search for Caribbean >>>Students Information >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>I appreciate your response but much more info is needed to answer you >>>>properly-I know what you seek but info is missing. If someone can answer >>>>this comprehensively with the info supplied, then I am doing something >>>>wrong. And I know this is not the case. Sorry again. Gotta run-got some >>>>publishing deadlines-look forward to seeing if I am missing something. >>>>****************************************************************** >>>>DEBORAH JILL CHITESTER M.S.,CCC/SLP >>>>Bilingual Speech-Language Pathologist >>>>Second Language, Literacy & Learning Connection, LLC >>>> -Attaining Success for Second Language Learners- >>>>Web Site: www.SLLLC.org >>>>E-mail: djcslp@slllc.org >>>>732-398-1796(Tel/Fax), 732-642-5118 (cell) >>>>Confidentiality Notice: This transmission may contain information that is >>>>privileged, >>>>confidential and/or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you >>>>are >>>>not >>>>the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, >>>>copying, >>>>distribution, or use of the information contained herein including any >>>>reliance >>>>thereon is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you received this transmission in >>>>error, >>>>please immediately contact the sender and destroy the material in its >>>>entirety, >>>>whether in electronic or hard copy format. Thank you. >>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>From: "JUDITH SINCLAIR" <j-p-sinclair@worldnet.att.net> >>>>To: "Multiple recipients of list" <nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov> >>>>Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 5:17 PM >>>>Subject: [NIFL-ESL:11038] Thank You and Continued Search for Caribbean >>>>Students Information >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Our thanks to Deborah Jill Chitester MS CCC SLP for her excellent review >>>>>of >>>>>our request. >>>>>We welcome all responses, and look forward to hearing from our >>>>>colleagues >>>>>through NIFL-ESL. >>>>> >>>>>Dr. Judith Sinclair >>>>>Sinclair & Associates International, LLC >>>>>Main Office: Washington, DC >>>>> >>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>From: "Deborah Jill Chitester MS CCC SLP" <djcslp@slllc.org> >>>>>To: "Multiple recipients of list" <nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov> >>>>>Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 5:06 PM >>>>>Subject: [NIFL-ESL:11037] Re: PS to Search for support materials >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Much more info is needed to answer this question appropriately. How >>>>>>long >>>>>>are >>>>>>these Carribean students in the US? What is their level of >>>>>>acculturation? >>>>>>Very often people who are second language learners identify themselves >>>>>>as >>>>>>English speaking for political purposes and due to such pressures when >>>>>>in >>>>>>reality this is not the case. An ethnographic interview detailing >>>>>>language >>>>>>background and use and level of acculturation is very important. I am >>>>>>currently putting together a comprehsive guide to how this should >>>>>>occur. >>>>>>Until these answers are obtained, it is hard to answer re: reading >>>>>>comprehension..Second language acquisition and acculturation as well as >>>>>>eliminating lang problems as an etiology is critical. >>>>>>****************************************************************** >>>>>>DEBORAH JILL CHITESTER M.S.,CCC/SLP >>>>>>Bilingual Speech-Language Pathologist >>>>>>Second Language, Literacy & Learning Connection, LLC >>>>>> -Attaining Success for Second Language Learners- >>>>>>Web Site: www.SLLLC.org >>>>>>E-mail: djcslp@slllc.org >>>>>>732-398-1796(Tel/Fax), 732-642-5118 (cell) >>>>>>Confidentiality Notice: This transmission may contain information that >>>>>>is >>>>>>privileged, >>>>>>confidential and/or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you >>>>>>are >>>>>>not >>>>>>the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, >>>>>>copying, >>>>>>distribution, or use of the information contained herein including any >>>>>>reliance >>>>>>thereon is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you received this transmission in >>>>>>error, >>>>>>please immediately contact the sender and destroy the material in its >>>>>>entirety, >>>>>>whether in electronic or hard copy format. Thank you. >>>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>From: "JUDITH SINCLAIR" <j-p-sinclair@worldnet.att.net> >>>>>>To: "Multiple recipients of list" <nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov> >>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 4:39 PM >>>>>>Subject: [NIFL-ESL:11036] PS to Search for support materials >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>Thanks to all of you who have taken time to read our message. We have >>>>>>>had >>>>>>>several interesting responses, and a few good questions. We would >>>>>>>like >>>>>>>to >>>>>>>provide additional information to our request for information >>>>>>>regarding >>>>>>>Caribbean students' literacy progress in U. S. jobs and schools: It is >>>>>>>our >>>>>>>experience working with Caribbean students that they consider English >>>>>>>as >>>>>>>their first language. The assure us that they are first and foremost >>>>>>>English speaking, and that they are neither ESL or bilingual. Yet, >>>>>>>it >>>>>>>is >>>>>>>also our experience that many of these students face significant >>>>>>>challenges >>>>>>>when they are presented with standard tests for professional and >>>>>>>school >>>>>>>work. We are looking for more information regarding Caribbean >>>>>>>students >>>>>>>who >>>>>>>consider English as their first language, and their ability to take >>>>>>>professional and school tests. For example, are they compromised in >>>>>>>reading >>>>>>>comprehension tests? Do they do well in their writing sample tests? >>>>>>>If >>>>>>>so, >>>>>>>why? If not, why? We are interested in a variety of perspectives, >>>>>>>and >>>>>>>appreciate your response. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Thank you again. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Dr. Judith Sinclair >>>>>>>Sinclair & Associates International, LLC >>>>>>>Main Office: Washington, DC >>>>>>> >>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>From: "Deborah J.C. MS CCC/SLP" <deb_bil_slp@yahoo.com> >>>>>>>To: "Multiple recipients of list" <nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov> >>>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 1:49 PM >>>>>>>Subject: [NIFL-ESL:11035] Re: Search for support materials >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Please check my site and email me privately re: some pieces I have >>>>>>>>written. >>>>>>>>****************************************************************** >>>>>>>>DEBORAH JILL CHITESTER M.S.,CCC/SLP >>>>>>>>Bilingual Speech-Language Pathologist >>>>>>>>Second Language, Literacy & Learning Connection, LLC >>>>>>>> -Attaining Success for Second Language Learners- >>>>>>>>Web Site: www.SLLLC.org >>>>>>>>E-mail: djcslp@slllc.org >>>>>>>>732-398-1796(Tel/Fax), 732-642-5118 (cell) >>>>>>>>Confidentiality Notice: This transmission may contain information >>>>>>>>that >>>>>>>>is >>>>>>>>privileged, >>>>>>>>confidential and/or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If >>>>>>>>you >>>>>>>>are >>>>>>>>not >>>>>>>>the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, >>>>>>>>copying, >>>>>>>>distribution, or use of the information contained herein including >>>>>>>>any >>>>>>>>reliance >>>>>>>>thereon is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you received this transmission in >>>>>>>>error, >>>>>>>>please immediately contact the sender and destroy the material in its >>>>>>>>entirety, >>>>>>>>whether in electronic or hard copy format. Thank you. >>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>From: "JUDITH SINCLAIR" <j-p-sinclair@worldnet.att.net> >>>>>>>>To: "Multiple recipients of list" <nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov> >>>>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 1:33 PM >>>>>>>>Subject: [NIFL-ESL:11034] Search for support materials >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Hello: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>As part of our work we look at various cultures that are >>>>>>>>>relatively/new >>>>>>>>>to >>>>>>>>>America to determine how to best address their educational needs. >>>>>>>>>We >>>>>>>>>are >>>>>>>>>currently looking for materials, papers, personal narratives, >>>>>>>>>journal >>>>>>>>>articles and the like that discuss challenges students from the >>>>>>>>>Caribbean >>>>>>>>>islands face when they come to the United States to attend school or >>>>>>>>>obtain >>>>>>>>>work. We are most interested in reading comprehension problems, and >>>>>>>>>Caribbean students' ability to successfully pass written school and >>>>>>>>>professional tests. If anyone has information regarding this topic, >>>>>>>>>please >>>>>>>>>let us know. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Thank you. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Dr. Judith Sinclair >>>>>>>>>Sinclair & Associates International, LLC >>>>>>>>>Main Office: Washington, DC >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>___________________________________________________________ >>>>>$0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer >>>>>10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. >>>>>Signup at www.doteasy.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > >-- >JoAnn (Jodi) Crandall >Professor and Director >Language, Literacy and Culture Ph.D. Program >University of Maryland Baltimore County (UMBC) >1000 Hilltop Circle >Baltimore, MD 21250 > >tel: 410-455-2313 >fax: 410-455-8947 >email: crandall@umbc.edu >www.umbc.edu/llc >www.umbc.edu/esol > > __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. 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