Ted,

I just want to say that this is brilliant. I never thought about the fact
that the same vowel sound is made longer by the following consonant (and
that Spanish doesn't have this phenomenon). That explains so much and is
such a help! I also like the tongue twister idea- logic should have told me
that to produce these sounds, the muscles need to be strengthened. I really
want to use your method, but I'm not sure how to explain the exercises to my
students. Do you have any suggestions?

AC


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> From: "Ted Klein" <taklein at austin.rr.com>

> Subject: [EnglishLanguage 2295] Re: EnglishLanguage Digest, Vol

>        31,Issue 18

> To: "The Adult English Language Learners Discussion List"

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> Emma,

>

> May I suggest that listening procedures in teaching vowel and consonant

> contrasts may be more important than pushing students into immediate

> repetition. A basic principle in phonological exercises of any kind is that

> listening and identification of sounds is of primary importance before

> attempting repetition. If a student can't discriminate the differences

> between two sounds, early attempts to produce them cause the students to

> hear their own voices and those of other class members nearby,  reinforcing

> existing problems. Identifying numerically seems to be the easiest and

> quickest route. If students can't correctly hear the sounds, particularly

> vowel sounds, they really can't make them. One of the problems with English

> is that we have more vowel and diphthong sounds than most languages we deal

> with and they are produced closer together. For example, Spanish has only

> one high-front vowel sound, that of "piso" and it is between the English

> beat and bit sounds. I also have found

>  that if we teach minimal pair listening in single words first, they

> should be followed by minimal sentences and then put into an open

> environment for speaking practice. Here is a sample exercise for the same

> sounds that you gave, in medial position. Notice that consonants after the

> vowels are different, because of the fact that in English syllable length

> changes according to the consonants that follow:  beat (short) beef (half

> long) bead (long) and bees (very long). Try it. Most students have the most

> problems distinguishing the longer syllables. In Spanish, for example, all

> syllables remain short. Initial priority should always be given to the ears.

>

>

> MEDIAL VOWEL EXERCISE-1 & 2-Track 6

>

>

>

>

>

>                                    -/i/-1

>                    -/I/-2

>

>

>

>                                    heat

>                    hit

>

>

>

>                                    cease

>                  sis

>

>

>

>                                    heed

>                   hid

>

>

>

>                                    keen

>                   kin

>

>

>

>                                    Lee's

>                  Liz

>

>

>

>                                    bead

>                   bid

>

>

>

>                    It was a great heat.                               It

> was a great hit.

>

>

>

> I saw a cease fire                                  I saw sis fire.

>

>

>

> We heed it.                                           We hid it.

>

>

>

> They were keen.                                   They were kin.

>

>

>

> It was Lee's.                                         It was Liz.

>

>

>

> See the bead.                                       See the bid.

>

>

>

>        Don't hit it, heat it.

>

>

>

>                                    Will your sis ever cease?

>

>

>

>                                    We heed it and they hid it.

>

>

>

>                                    I'm keen to know her kin.

>

>

>

>                                    Liz is at Lee's house.

>

>

>

>                                    We bid on the bead.

>

>

>

>

> Here are the procedures that I use with my students. Vowel numbers are

> permanent and used to identify sounds all of the time. Beat and bit happen

> to have the permanent numbers one and two:

>

>

> 1. Put the pairs of words and their identifiers on the marker board.

> Students are encouraged to copy these words in their notebooks, but are not

> given copies of the complete exercises. Students are encouraged to tape any

> exercises in class, rather than practice from the written language. My

> students receive an audio compact disk of all vowel sounds on their first

> day.

>

>

>

> 2. The instructor should repeat these pairs of words with numbers both

> horizontally and vertically for familiarization. Vowel numbers will remain

> consistent with numbers used in the vowel hatches.

>

>

>

> 3. The instructor will go to the back of the room and call out words at

> random for the students to identify numerically. This identification

> exercises can be done as both group and individual exercises.  Example: HIT

> 2,  HEAT 1, HEAT 1, CEASE  1, SIS 2, etc. If numerical errors are heard,

> call out the correct number. When a majority of the students are able to

> call the numbers correctly, change to double words at random. HEAT HEAT 1,

> 1,  HIT HEAT  2, 1,  HIT  HIT 2, 2. HIT HEAT, 2, 1. etc.

>

>

>

> 4. After most of the students are responding accurately to the minimal

> pairs, switch to the minimal sentence pairs. These sentence exercises should

> all be performed without written reference. First repeat the sentences while

> the students listen. Next read the sentences at unpredictable random and

> have the students identify target words in a sentence environment

> numerically. This will be more difficult, but will help the students to hear

> the sounds in a real structural environment. Continue this exercise with the

> group and with individuals.

>

>

>

> Example:  It was a great heat. (1) It was a great hit (2) It was a great

> hit (2), etc.

>

>

>

> 5. Finally give the students oral practice with sentences in which the

> target sounds are in free environments.  "Don't hit it, heat it." Occasional

> corrections should be done gently, diplomatically and in good humor. If

> vowels 1, 3, 8 and 10 sound "flat" students can be instructed on how to make

> their mouth and throat muscles tense. To strengthen the oral and throat

> muscles takes time. Tongue twisters, "trabalenguas," which combine or

> emphasize target sounds, are useful and students often enjoy and memorize

> them.

>

>

>

> Vowel Numbers:  1 beat    2  bit    3  bait    4  bet    5  bat   6 bot

> (fly)    7 bought   8 boat   9 book   10 boot   11. but

>

> Diphthong Numbers    6+2   lied    6+9   loud      7+2    Lloyd

>

>

>

> Cheers,   Ted

>

> www.tedklein-ESL.com

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: "Emma Bourassa" <ebourassa at tru.ca>

> To: <englishlanguage at nifl.gov>

> Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 5:41 PM

> Subject: [EnglishLanguage 2294] Re: EnglishLanguage Digest, Vol 31,Issue

> 18

>

>

> >I believe it is Pronunciation Pairs that has illustrations, single word

> and short dialogue practice. For example there might be:

> > sit  seat

> > bit  beat

> >

> > etc. which is then worked into a conversation:

> > A: Bea, have a seat.

> > B: I can eat but can't sit.

> > A: Sit in the seat, and eat your meat.

> > B: No, I need to knit.

> > sorta silly but they do work for slow practice of moving the mouth and

> tongue around.

> > Pictures with mirrors so students can watch themselves works well.

> > e

> >

> > Emma Bourassa

> > English as a Second or Additional Language/ Teaching English as a Second

> Language Instructor

> > ESL Department

> > Thompson Rivers University

> > 900 McGill Road. P.O. Box 3010

> > Kamloops, B.C. V2C 5N3

> > (250) 371-5895

> > fax 371-5514

> > ebourassa at tru.ca

> >

> >>>>

> > From: Andrea Canter <lucidpandora at gmail.com>

> > To: <englishlanguage at nifl.gov>

> > Date: 29/04/2008 12:03 pm

> > Subject: [EnglishLanguage 2292] Re: EnglishLanguage Digest, Vol 31,

> Issue 18

> >

> > Jenny,

> >

> > Eek! That's the issue I'm coming up against soon. The way I've been

> doing it

> > works with the roman alphabet (and easiest with just one native language

> in

> > the group). I have this book that has Spanish translations of English

> > vocabulary words. Then it has the pronunciation of the word spelled out

> in

> > Spanish phonetics. I just borrow those phonetics for any word I come

> across:

> > (ex. Raise your hand = reiz yor jand). Sometimes there isn't a sound in

> > Spanish that quite matches the one in English and I have to wrk around

> it

> > (ex. the word 'sit'.... there isn't anything in Spanish that sounds like

> the

> > 'i' in that word.... I told my class it sounds some where between 'eh'

> and

> > 'ee' and they got it).

> >

> > The thing with non-Roman alphabets is unless you speak the language, it

> > would be quite a task to do it that way. Then if you have people with

> > differing languages, it would be even worse. If all the people in your

> class

> > know the Roman alphabet, then I have a link to a website that has books

> and

> > workshops on a unique system to teach pronunciation with. I haven't

> tried

> > the method, but it looks really cool. Let me know if you want the

> address.

> > Hope this (any of it) helps!

> >

> > Andrea

> >

> > On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 12:00 PM, <englishlanguage-request at nifl.gov>

> wrote:

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> >>      (Jenny Hubler)

> >>

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> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------

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> >> Message: 1

> >> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 08:57:35 -0500

> >> From: "Jenny Hubler" <JHubler at womenscenter.info>

> >> Subject: [EnglishLanguage 2291]  computerless ESL instruction

> >> To: "'The Adult English Language Learners Discussion List'"

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> >>

> >> Andrea:

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> Could you give more details about how you teach pronunciation to

> speakers

> >> of

> >> other languages? We have many Latinos, also some Koreans and a student

> >> from

> >> Sudan.

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> Jenny

> >>

> >> The Women's Center of Tarrant County, TX

> >>

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> >>

> >>  _____

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> >> From: englishlanguage-bounces at nifl.gov

> >> [mailto:englishlanguage-bounces at nifl.gov] On Behalf Of Andrea Canter

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> >> 16

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> This is a neat concept, but if you're like me and teach adults in

> venues

> >> without computers there needs to be something else. Since my class is

> >> entirely Hispanic, I use Spanish phonics to help. For some sounds I

> have

> >> to

> >> go into further explanation because there is no Spanish equivalent, but

> >> for

> >> the most part it translates. This has worked SO well!! They have near

> >> perfect pronunciation instantly!! I'm getting ready to start a class

> with

> >> people from all over the world now. I have no idea how to address the

> >> issue

> >> with them- any suggestions??

> >>

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> >>  1. [EnglishLanguage 2286] Re: on-line dictionary with instant

> >>     sound (Molly Elkins)

> >>  2. [EnglishLanguage 2287] Re: on-line dictionary with instant

> >>     sound (Tom Zurinskas)

> >>  3. [EnglishLanguage 2288] Re: on-line dictionary with instant

> >>     sound (Elkins, Molly (CR))

> >>

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> >> Message: 1

> >> Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 11:06:33 -0600

> >> From: "Molly Elkins" <melkins at dclibraries.org>

> >> Subject: [EnglishLanguage 2286] Re: on-line dictionary with instant

> >>       sound

> >> To: "'The Adult English Language Learners Discussion List'"

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> >> I think it is pretty interesting-

> >>

> >> My only concern is that it took some time to load the sound- even on my

> >> pretty fast computer, AND it has a British accent. Many of my learners

> >> have

> >> complained about media that is British instead of American

> pronunciation.

> >>

> >> Thank you,

> >>

> >> Molly Elkins

> >> Literacy Specialist

> >> Douglas County Libraries

> >> Phillip S. Miller Library

> >>  100 S. Wilcox Street

> >>  Castle Rock CO 80104

> >>  Map

> >> Direct Phone: (303)688-7646

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> >> -----Original Message-----

> >> From: englishlanguage-bounces at nifl.gov

> >> [mailto:englishlanguage-bounces at nifl.gov] On Behalf Of Daphne Greenberg

> >> Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 3:00 PM

> >> To: englishlanguage at nifl.gov

> >> Subject: [EnglishLanguage 2254] on-line dictionary with instant sound

> >>

> >> ESL is not my area of expertise, so I don't know if this site is good,

> or

> >> if

> >> it is a site that everyone already knows about. A friend of mine

> >> introduced

> >> me to a site described as  "An English Pronouncing Dictionary with

> Instant

> >> Sound" I tried it out with a few words, and it seemed like a great idea

> >> for

> >> learners struggling with pronunciation of specific words. They need to

> >> have

> >> some proficiency with English spelling in order to use the site because

> >> they

> >> need to write the word in order to hear it pronounced.

> >>

> >> The url is:  http://howjsay.com/

> >>

> >> I am curious what people on this list think about this site.

> >>

> >> Daphne

> >>

> >> Daphne Greenberg

> >> Associate Professor

> >> Educational Psych. & Special Ed.

> >> Georgia State University

> >> P.O. Box 3979

> >> Atlanta, Georgia 30302-3979

> >> phone: 404-413-8337

> >> fax:404-413-8043

> >> dgreenberg at gsu.edu

> >>

> >> Daphne Greenberg

> >> Associate Director

> >> Center for the Study of Adult Literacy

> >> Georgia State University

> >> P.O. Box 3977

> >> Atlanta, Georgia 30302-3977

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> >> Message: 2

> >> Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 02:13:32 +0000

> >> From: Tom Zurinskas <truespel at hotmail.com>

> >> Subject: [EnglishLanguage 2287] Re: on-line dictionary with instant

> >>       sound

> >> To: The Adult English Language Learners Discussion List

> >>       <englishlanguage at nifl.gov>, cornell Kimble <

> cornell9 at earthlink.net>

> >> Message-ID: <BAY135-W4511FA4584E33E80584DDFD3DD0 at phx.gbl>

> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

> >>

> >>

> >> m-w.com is a marvelous dictionary that you can click on to hear words

> in

> >> US

> >> accent.  The only nits I pick are what I call "awe-dropping" where the

> >> sound

> >> "awe" is replaced sometimes by "ah".  Click on the word "flaw" to hear

> it

> >> correctly (note, the word "awe" is said "ah").  Another nit is that

> words

> >> starting with "ex-" are said to be spoken as "ix-" (so example is

> >> ixample).

> >> I don't think that is the norm in USA but perhaps UK.

> >>

> >> Tom Zurinskas, USA - CT20, TN3, NJ33, FL5+

> >> See truespel.com - and the 4 truespel books plus "Occasional Poems" at

> >> authorhouse.com.

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> > From: melkins at dclibraries.org

> >> > To: englishlanguage at nifl.gov

> >> > Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 11:06:33 -0600

> >> > Subject: [EnglishLanguage 2286] Re: on-line dictionary with instant

> >> sound

> >> >

> >> > I think it is pretty interesting-

> >> >

> >> > My only concern is that it took some time to load the sound- even on

> my

> >> > pretty fast computer, AND it has a British accent. Many of my

> learners

> >> have

> >> > complained about media that is British instead of American

> >> pronunciation.

> >> >

> >> > Thank you,

> >> >

> >> > Molly Elkins

> >> > Literacy Specialist

> >> > Douglas County Libraries

> >> > Phillip S. Miller Library

> >> > 100 S. Wilcox Street

> >> > Castle Rock CO 80104

> >> > Map

> >> > Direct Phone: (303)688-7646

> >> > Alt Phone: (303) 791-READ

> >> > Fax: (303) 688-7655

> >> > Email: melkins at dclibraries.org

> >> > Web: www.DouglasCountyLibraries.org

> >> > -----Original Message-----

> >> > From: englishlanguage-bounces at nifl.gov

> >> > [mailto:englishlanguage-bounces at nifl.gov] On Behalf Of Daphne

> Greenberg

> >> > Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 3:00 PM

> >> > To: englishlanguage at nifl.gov

> >> > Subject: [EnglishLanguage 2254] on-line dictionary with instant sound

> >> >

> >> > ESL is not my area of expertise, so I don't know if this site is

> good,

> >> or

> >> if

> >> > it is a site that everyone already knows about. A friend of mine

> >> introduced

> >> > me to a site described as "An English Pronouncing Dictionary with

> >> Instant

> >> > Sound" I tried it out with a few words, and it seemed like a great

> idea

> >> for

> >> > learners struggling with pronunciation of specific words. They need

> to

> >> have

> >> > some proficiency with English spelling in order to use the site

> because

> >> they

> >> > need to write the word in order to hear it pronounced.

> >> >

> >> > The url is: http://howjsay.com/

> >> >

> >> > I am curious what people on this list think about this site.

> >> >

> >> > Daphne

> >> >

> >> > Daphne Greenberg

> >> > Associate Professor

> >> > Educational Psych. & Special Ed.

> >> > Georgia State University

> >> > P.O. Box 3979

> >> > Atlanta, Georgia 30302-3979

> >> > phone: 404-413-8337

> >> > fax:404-413-8043

> >> > dgreenberg at gsu.edu

> >> >

> >> > Daphne Greenberg

> >> > Associate Director

> >> > Center for the Study of Adult Literacy

> >> > Georgia State University

> >> > P.O. Box 3977

> >> > Atlanta, Georgia 30302-3977

> >> > phone: 404-413-8337

> >> > fax:404-413-8043

> >> > dgreenberg at gsu.edu

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> Andrea

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> >      Issue 18 (Emma Bourassa)

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> > Message: 1

> > Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 15:41:56 -0700

> > From: "Emma Bourassa" <ebourassa at tru.ca>

> > Subject: [EnglishLanguage 2294]   Re: EnglishLanguage Digest, Vol 31,

> >        Issue 18

> > To: <englishlanguage at nifl.gov>

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> >

> > I believe it is Pronunciation Pairs that has illustrations, single word

> > and short dialogue practice. For example there might be:

> > sit  seat

> > bit  beat

> >

> > etc. which is then worked into a conversation:

> > A: Bea, have a seat.

> > B: I can eat but can't sit.

> > A: Sit in the seat, and eat your meat.

> > B: No, I need to knit.

> > sorta silly but they do work for slow practice of moving the mouth and

> > tongue around.

> > Pictures with mirrors so students can watch themselves works well.

> > e

> >

> > Emma Bourassa

> > English as a Second or Additional Language/ Teaching English as a Second

> > Language Instructor

> > ESL Department

> > Thompson Rivers University

> > 900 McGill Road. P.O. Box 3010

> > Kamloops, B.C. V2C 5N3

> > (250) 371-5895

> > fax 371-5514

> > ebourassa at tru.ca

> >

> > >>>

> > From:   Andrea Canter <lucidpandora at gmail.com>

> > To:     <englishlanguage at nifl.gov>

> > Date:   29/04/2008 12:03 pm

> > Subject:        [EnglishLanguage 2292] Re: EnglishLanguage Digest, Vol

> 31,

> > Issue 18

> >

> > Jenny,

> >

> > Eek! That's the issue I'm coming up against soon. The way I've been

> doing

> > it

> > works with the roman alphabet (and easiest with just one native language

> > in

> > the group). I have this book that has Spanish translations of English

> > vocabulary words. Then it has the pronunciation of the word spelled out

> in

> > Spanish phonetics. I just borrow those phonetics for any word I come

> > across:

> > (ex. Raise your hand = reiz yor jand). Sometimes there isn't a sound in

> > Spanish that quite matches the one in English and I have to wrk around

> it

> > (ex. the word 'sit'.... there isn't anything in Spanish that sounds like

> > the

> > 'i' in that word.... I told my class it sounds some where between 'eh'

> and

> > 'ee' and they got it).

> >

> > The thing with non-Roman alphabets is unless you speak the language, it

> > would be quite a task to do it that way. Then if you have people with

> > differing languages, it would be even worse. If all the people in your

> > class

> > know the Roman alphabet, then I have a link to a website that has books

> > and

> > workshops on a unique system to teach pronunciation with. I haven't

> tried

> > the method, but it looks really cool. Let me know if you want the

> address.

> > Hope this (any of it) helps!

> >

> > Andrea

> >

> > On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 12:00 PM, <englishlanguage-request at nifl.gov>

> > wrote:

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> > >   1. [EnglishLanguage 2291]  computerless ESL instruction

> > >      (Jenny Hubler)

> > >

> > >

> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------

> > >

> > > Message: 1

> > > Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 08:57:35 -0500

> > > From: "Jenny Hubler" <JHubler at womenscenter.info>

> > > Subject: [EnglishLanguage 2291]  computerless ESL instruction

> > > To: "'The Adult English Language Learners Discussion List'"

> > >        <englishlanguage at nifl.gov>

> > > Message-ID: <001a01c8a937$d1da28d0$d600a8c0 at womenscenter.info>

> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

> > >

> > > Andrea:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Could you give more details about how you teach pronunciation to

> > speakers

> > > of

> > > other languages? We have many Latinos, also some Koreans and a student

> > > from

> > > Sudan.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Jenny

> > >

> > > The Women's Center of Tarrant County, TX

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >  _____

> > >

> > > From: englishlanguage-bounces at nifl.gov

> > > [mailto:englishlanguage-bounces at nifl.gov] On Behalf Of Andrea Canter

> > > Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 3:58 PM

> > > To: englishlanguage at nifl.gov

> > > Subject: [EnglishLanguage 2290] Re: EnglishLanguage Digest, Vol 31,

> > Issue

> > > 16

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > This is a neat concept, but if you're like me and teach adults in

> venues

> > > without computers there needs to be something else. Since my class is

> > > entirely Hispanic, I use Spanish phonics to help. For some sounds I

> have

> > > to

> > > go into further explanation because there is no Spanish equivalent,

> but

> > > for

> > > the most part it translates. This has worked SO well!! They have near

> > > perfect pronunciation instantly!! I'm getting ready to start a class

> > with

> > > people from all over the world now. I have no idea how to address the

> > > issue

> > > with them- any suggestions??

> > >

> > > On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 12:00 PM, <englishlanguage-request at nifl.gov>

> > > wrote:

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> > > Today's Topics:

> > >

> > >  1. [EnglishLanguage 2286] Re: on-line dictionary with instant

> > >     sound (Molly Elkins)

> > >  2. [EnglishLanguage 2287] Re: on-line dictionary with instant

> > >     sound (Tom Zurinskas)

> > >  3. [EnglishLanguage 2288] Re: on-line dictionary with instant

> > >     sound (Elkins, Molly (CR))

> > >

> > >

> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------

> > >

> > > Message: 1

> > > Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 11:06:33 -0600

> > > From: "Molly Elkins" <melkins at dclibraries.org>

> > > Subject: [EnglishLanguage 2286] Re: on-line dictionary with instant

> > >       sound

> > > To: "'The Adult English Language Learners Discussion List'"

> > >       <englishlanguage at nifl.gov>

> > > Message-ID: <004f01c8a62d$8c7cafe0$be070a0a at dpld.org>

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> > >

> > > I think it is pretty interesting-

> > >

> > > My only concern is that it took some time to load the sound- even on

> my

> > > pretty fast computer, AND it has a British accent. Many of my learners

> > > have

> > > complained about media that is British instead of American

> > pronunciation.

> > >

> > > Thank you,

> > >

> > > Molly Elkins

> > > Literacy Specialist

> > > Douglas County Libraries

> > > Phillip S. Miller Library

> > >  100 S. Wilcox Street

> > >  Castle Rock CO 80104

> > >  Map

> > > Direct Phone: (303)688-7646

> > > Alt Phone: (303) 791-READ

> > > Fax: (303) 688-7655

> > > Email: melkins at dclibraries.org

> > > Web: www.DouglasCountyLibraries.org

> > > -----Original Message-----

> > > From: englishlanguage-bounces at nifl.gov

> > > [mailto:englishlanguage-bounces at nifl.gov] On Behalf Of Daphne

> Greenberg

> > > Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 3:00 PM

> > > To: englishlanguage at nifl.gov

> > > Subject: [EnglishLanguage 2254] on-line dictionary with instant sound

> > >

> > > ESL is not my area of expertise, so I don't know if this site is good,

> > or

> > > if

> > > it is a site that everyone already knows about. A friend of mine

> > > introduced

> > > me to a site described as  "An English Pronouncing Dictionary with

> > Instant

> > > Sound" I tried it out with a few words, and it seemed like a great

> idea

> > > for

> > > learners struggling with pronunciation of specific words. They need to

> > > have

> > > some proficiency with English spelling in order to use the site

> because

> > > they

> > > need to write the word in order to hear it pronounced.

> > >

> > > The url is:  http://howjsay.com/

> > >

> > > I am curious what people on this list think about this site.

> > >

> > > Daphne

> > >

> > > Daphne Greenberg

> > > Associate Professor

> > > Educational Psych. & Special Ed.

> > > Georgia State University

> > > P.O. Box 3979

> > > Atlanta, Georgia 30302-3979

> > > phone: 404-413-8337

> > > fax:404-413-8043

> > > dgreenberg at gsu.edu

> > >

> > > Daphne Greenberg

> > > Associate Director

> > > Center for the Study of Adult Literacy

> > > Georgia State University

> > > P.O. Box 3977

> > > Atlanta, Georgia 30302-3977

> > > phone: 404-413-8337

> > > fax:404-413-8043

> > > dgreenberg at gsu.edu

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> > > Email delivered to melkins at dclibraries.org

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------

> > >

> > > Message: 2

> > > Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 02:13:32 +0000

> > > From: Tom Zurinskas <truespel at hotmail.com>

> > > Subject: [EnglishLanguage 2287] Re: on-line dictionary with instant

> > >       sound

> > > To: The Adult English Language Learners Discussion List

> > >       <englishlanguage at nifl.gov>, cornell Kimble <

> cornell9 at earthlink.net

> > >

> > > Message-ID: <BAY135-W4511FA4584E33E80584DDFD3DD0 at phx.gbl>

> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

> > >

> > >

> > > m-w.com is a marvelous dictionary that you can click on to hear words

> in

> > > US

> > > accent.  The only nits I pick are what I call "awe-dropping" where the

> > > sound

> > > "awe" is replaced sometimes by "ah".  Click on the word "flaw" to hear

> > it

> > > correctly (note, the word "awe" is said "ah").  Another nit is that

> > words

> > > starting with "ex-" are said to be spoken as "ix-" (so example is

> > > ixample).

> > > I don't think that is the norm in USA but perhaps UK.

> > >

> > > Tom Zurinskas, USA - CT20, TN3, NJ33, FL5+

> > > See truespel.com - and the 4 truespel books plus "Occasional Poems" at

> > > authorhouse.com.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > > From: melkins at dclibraries.org

> > > > To: englishlanguage at nifl.gov

> > > > Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 11:06:33 -0600

> > > > Subject: [EnglishLanguage 2286] Re: on-line dictionary with instant

> > > sound

> > > >

> > > > I think it is pretty interesting-

> > > >

> > > > My only concern is that it took some time to load the sound- even on

> > my

> > > > pretty fast computer, AND it has a British accent. Many of my

> learners

> > > have

> > > > complained about media that is British instead of American

> > > pronunciation.

> > > >

> > > > Thank you,

> > > >

> > > > Molly Elkins

> > > > Literacy Specialist

> > > > Douglas County Libraries

> > > > Phillip S. Miller Library

> > > > 100 S. Wilcox Street

> > > > Castle Rock CO 80104

> > > > Map

> > > > Direct Phone: (303)688-7646

> > > > Alt Phone: (303) 791-READ

> > > > Fax: (303) 688-7655

> > > > Email: melkins at dclibraries.org

> > > > Web: www.DouglasCountyLibraries.org

> > > > -----Original Message-----

> > > > From: englishlanguage-bounces at nifl.gov

> > > > [mailto:englishlanguage-bounces at nifl.gov] On Behalf Of Daphne

> > Greenberg

> > > > Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 3:00 PM

> > > > To: englishlanguage at nifl.gov

> > > > Subject: [EnglishLanguage 2254] on-line dictionary with instant

> sound

> > > >

> > > > ESL is not my area of expertise, so I don't know if this site is

> good,

> > > or

> > > if

> > > > it is a site that everyone already knows about. A friend of mine

> > > introduced

> > > > me to a site described as "An English Pronouncing Dictionary with

> > > Instant

> > > > Sound" I tried it out with a few words, and it seemed like a great

> > idea

> > > for

> > > > learners struggling with pronunciation of specific words. They need

> to

> > > have

> > > > some proficiency with English spelling in order to use the site

> > because

> > > they

> > > > need to write the word in order to hear it pronounced.

> > > >

> > > > The url is: http://howjsay.com/

> > > >

> > > > I am curious what people on this list think about this site.

> > > >

> > > > Daphne

> > > >

> > > > Daphne Greenberg

> > > > Associate Professor

> > > > Educational Psych. & Special Ed.

> > > > Georgia State University

> > > > P.O. Box 3979

> > > > Atlanta, Georgia 30302-3979

> > > > phone: 404-413-8337

> > > > fax:404-413-8043

> > > > dgreenberg at gsu.edu

> > > >

> > > > Daphne Greenberg

> > > > Associate Director

> > > > Center for the Study of Adult Literacy

> > > > Georgia State University

> > > > P.O. Box 3977

> > > > Atlanta, Georgia 30302-3977

> > > > phone: 404-413-8337

> > > > fax:404-413-8043

> > > > dgreenberg at gsu.edu

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> > > Message: 3

> > > Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 09:26:53 -0600

> > > From: "Elkins, Molly (CR)" <melkins at dclibraries.org>

> > > Subject: [EnglishLanguage 2288] Re: on-line dictionary with instant

> > >       sound

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> From: "Marcos Valle" <marcos.valle at edcc.edu>

> Subject: [EnglishLanguage 2297] Re: EnglishLanguage Digest, Vol 32,

>        Issue 1

> To: "The Adult English Language Learners Discussion List"

>        <englishlanguage at nifl.gov>

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>

> Google "Pronunciation Pairs" and the first entry on the Results page

> will be an entry from Amazon.  Click on that link and you will be taken

> to the product page, from which I took the following information:

>

>

>

> Editorial Reviews

>

> Product Description

> Pronunciation Pairs is a classic listening and pronunciation text that

> teaches students to recognize and produce all of the speech sounds of

> North American English. It also covers important features such as word

> and sentence stress, and intonation.

>

> ________________________________

>

> Product Details

>

> *       Paperback: 152 pages

> *       Publisher: Cambridge University Press; Student edition (February

> 23, 1990)

> *       Language: English

> *       ISBN-10: 0521349729

> *       ISBN-13: 978-0521349727

> *       Product Dimensions: 9.8 x 7.9 x 0.4 inches

> *       Shipping Weight: 13.6 ounces

>

>

>

>

>

> I hope this helps.

>

>

>

> Marcos

>

>

>

>

>

> Marcos Valle

>

>

>

> International Division - ABE ESL

>

> Edmonds Community College

>

> 20,000 68th Ave. W

>

> Lynnwood, WA 98036

>

> (425) 640-1215

>

>

>

> "Every student can learn, just not on the same day, or the same way."

> (George Evans)

>

>

>

> From: englishlanguage-bounces at nifl.gov

> [mailto:englishlanguage-bounces at nifl.gov] On Behalf Of Andrea Canter

> Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 11:48 AM

> To: englishlanguage at nifl.gov

> Subject: [EnglishLanguage 2296] Re: EnglishLanguage Digest, Vol 32,

> Issue 1

>

>

>

> Is Pronunciation Pairs a book?

>

> Andrea

>

> On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 12:00 PM, <englishlanguage-request at nifl.gov>

> wrote:

>

> Send EnglishLanguage mailing list submissions to

>       englishlanguage at nifl.gov

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>

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>

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>

>

> Today's Topics:

>

>  1. [EnglishLanguage 2294]   Re: EnglishLanguage Digest, Vol 31,

>     Issue 18 (Emma Bourassa)

>

>

> ----------------------------------------------------------------------

>

> Message: 1

> Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 15:41:56 -0700

> From: "Emma Bourassa" <ebourassa at tru.ca>

> Subject: [EnglishLanguage 2294]   Re: EnglishLanguage Digest, Vol 31,

>       Issue 18

> To: <englishlanguage at nifl.gov>

> Message-ID: <4819F2D4.8103.007D.0 at tru.ca>

> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII

>

> I believe it is Pronunciation Pairs that has illustrations, single word

> and short dialogue practice. For example there might be:

> sit  seat

> bit  beat

>

> etc. which is then worked into a conversation:

> A: Bea, have a seat.

> B: I can eat but can't sit.

> A: Sit in the seat, and eat your meat.

> B: No, I need to knit.

> sorta silly but they do work for slow practice of moving the mouth and

> tongue around.

> Pictures with mirrors so students can watch themselves works well.

> e

>

> Emma Bourassa

> English as a Second or Additional Language/ Teaching English as a Second

> Language Instructor

> ESL Department

> Thompson Rivers University

> 900 McGill Road. P.O. Box 3010

> Kamloops, B.C. V2C 5N3

> (250) 371-5895

> fax 371-5514

> ebourassa at tru.ca

>

> >>>

> From:   Andrea Canter <lucidpandora at gmail.com>

> To:     <englishlanguage at nifl.gov>

> Date:   29/04/2008 12:03 pm

> Subject:        [EnglishLanguage 2292] Re: EnglishLanguage Digest, Vol

> 31, Issue 18

>

> Jenny,

>

> Eek! That's the issue I'm coming up against soon. The way I've been

> doing it

> works with the roman alphabet (and easiest with just one native language

> in

> the group). I have this book that has Spanish translations of English

> vocabulary words. Then it has the pronunciation of the word spelled out

> in

> Spanish phonetics. I just borrow those phonetics for any word I come

> across:

> (ex. Raise your hand = reiz yor jand). Sometimes there isn't a sound in

> Spanish that quite matches the one in English and I have to wrk around

> it

> (ex. the word 'sit'.... there isn't anything in Spanish that sounds like

> the

> 'i' in that word.... I told my class it sounds some where between 'eh'

> and

> 'ee' and they got it).

>

> The thing with non-Roman alphabets is unless you speak the language, it

> would be quite a task to do it that way. Then if you have people with

> differing languages, it would be even worse. If all the people in your

> class

> know the Roman alphabet, then I have a link to a website that has books

> and

> workshops on a unique system to teach pronunciation with. I haven't

> tried

> the method, but it looks really cool. Let me know if you want the

> address.

> Hope this (any of it) helps!

>

> Andrea

>

> On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 12:00 PM, <englishlanguage-request at nifl.gov>

> wrote:

>

> > Send EnglishLanguage mailing list submissions to

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> >   1. [EnglishLanguage 2291]  computerless ESL instruction

> >      (Jenny Hubler)

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> > Message: 1

> > Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 08:57:35 -0500

> > From: "Jenny Hubler" <JHubler at womenscenter.info>

> > Subject: [EnglishLanguage 2291]  computerless ESL instruction

> > To: "'The Adult English Language Learners Discussion List'"

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> > Andrea:

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> >

> >

> > Could you give more details about how you teach pronunciation to

> speakers

> > of

> > other languages? We have many Latinos, also some Koreans and a student

> > from

> > Sudan.

> >

> >

> >

> > Jenny

> >

> > The Women's Center of Tarrant County, TX

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> >  _____

> >

> > From: englishlanguage-bounces at nifl.gov

> > [mailto:englishlanguage-bounces at nifl.gov] On Behalf Of Andrea Canter

> > Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 3:58 PM

> > To: englishlanguage at nifl.gov

> > Subject: [EnglishLanguage 2290] Re: EnglishLanguage Digest, Vol 31,

> Issue

> > 16

> >

> >

> >

> > This is a neat concept, but if you're like me and teach adults in

> venues

> > without computers there needs to be something else. Since my class is

> > entirely Hispanic, I use Spanish phonics to help. For some sounds I

> have

> > to

> > go into further explanation because there is no Spanish equivalent,

> but

> > for

> > the most part it translates. This has worked SO well!! They have near

> > perfect pronunciation instantly!! I'm getting ready to start a class

> with

> > people from all over the world now. I have no idea how to address the

> > issue

> > with them- any suggestions??

> >

> > On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 12:00 PM, <englishlanguage-request at nifl.gov>

> > wrote:

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> >  1. [EnglishLanguage 2286] Re: on-line dictionary with instant

> >     sound (Molly Elkins)

> >  2. [EnglishLanguage 2287] Re: on-line dictionary with instant

> >     sound (Tom Zurinskas)

> >  3. [EnglishLanguage 2288] Re: on-line dictionary with instant

> >     sound (Elkins, Molly (CR))

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> > Message: 1

> > Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 11:06:33 -0600

> > From: "Molly Elkins" <melkins at dclibraries.org>

> > Subject: [EnglishLanguage 2286] Re: on-line dictionary with instant

> >       sound

> > To: "'The Adult English Language Learners Discussion List'"

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> > I think it is pretty interesting-

> >

> > My only concern is that it took some time to load the sound- even on

> my

> > pretty fast computer, AND it has a British accent. Many of my learners

> > have

> > complained about media that is British instead of American

> pronunciation.

> >

> > Thank you,

> >

> > Molly Elkins

> > Literacy Specialist

> > Douglas County Libraries

> > Phillip S. Miller Library

> >  100 S. Wilcox Street

> >  Castle Rock CO 80104

> >  Map

> > Direct Phone: (303)688-7646

> > Alt Phone: (303) 791-READ

> > Fax: (303) 688-7655

> > Email: melkins at dclibraries.org

> > Web: www.DouglasCountyLibraries.org

> > -----Original Message-----

> > From: englishlanguage-bounces at nifl.gov

> > [mailto:englishlanguage-bounces at nifl.gov] On Behalf Of Daphne

> Greenberg

> > Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 3:00 PM

> > To: englishlanguage at nifl.gov

> > Subject: [EnglishLanguage 2254] on-line dictionary with instant sound

> >

> > ESL is not my area of expertise, so I don't know if this site is good,

> or

> > if

> > it is a site that everyone already knows about. A friend of mine

> > introduced

> > me to a site described as  "An English Pronouncing Dictionary with

> Instant

> > Sound" I tried it out with a few words, and it seemed like a great

> idea

> > for

> > learners struggling with pronunciation of specific words. They need to

> > have

> > some proficiency with English spelling in order to use the site

> because

> > they

> > need to write the word in order to hear it pronounced.

> >

> > The url is:  http://howjsay.com/

> >

> > I am curious what people on this list think about this site.

> >

> > Daphne

> >

> > Daphne Greenberg

> > Associate Professor

> > Educational Psych. & Special Ed.

> > Georgia State University

> > P.O. Box 3979

> > Atlanta, Georgia 30302-3979

> > phone: 404-413-8337

> > fax:404-413-8043

> > dgreenberg at gsu.edu

> >

> > Daphne Greenberg

> > Associate Director

> > Center for the Study of Adult Literacy

> > Georgia State University

> > P.O. Box 3977

> > Atlanta, Georgia 30302-3977

> > phone: 404-413-8337

> > fax:404-413-8043

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> > Message: 2

> > Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 02:13:32 +0000

> > From: Tom Zurinskas <truespel at hotmail.com>

> > Subject: [EnglishLanguage 2287] Re: on-line dictionary with instant

> >       sound

> > To: The Adult English Language Learners Discussion List

> >       <englishlanguage at nifl.gov>, cornell Kimble

> <cornell9 at earthlink.net>

> > Message-ID: <BAY135-W4511FA4584E33E80584DDFD3DD0 at phx.gbl>

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> >

> >

> > m-w.com is a marvelous dictionary that you can click on to hear words

> in

> > US

> > accent.  The only nits I pick are what I call "awe-dropping" where the

> > sound

> > "awe" is replaced sometimes by "ah".  Click on the word "flaw" to hear

> it

> > correctly (note, the word "awe" is said "ah").  Another nit is that

> words

> > starting with "ex-" are said to be spoken as "ix-" (so example is

> > ixample).

> > I don't think that is the norm in USA but perhaps UK.

> >

> > Tom Zurinskas, USA - CT20, TN3, NJ33, FL5+

> > See truespel.com - and the 4 truespel books plus "Occasional Poems" at

> > authorhouse.com.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > > From: melkins at dclibraries.org

> > > To: englishlanguage at nifl.gov

> > > Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 11:06:33 -0600

> > > Subject: [EnglishLanguage 2286] Re: on-line dictionary with instant

> > sound

> > >

> > > I think it is pretty interesting-

> > >

> > > My only concern is that it took some time to load the sound- even on

> my

> > > pretty fast computer, AND it has a British accent. Many of my

> learners

> > have

> > > complained about media that is British instead of American

> > pronunciation.

> > >

> > > Thank you,

> > >

> > > Molly Elkins

> > > Literacy Specialist

> > > Douglas County Libraries

> > > Phillip S. Miller Library

> > > 100 S. Wilcox Street

> > > Castle Rock CO 80104

> > > Map

> > > Direct Phone: (303)688-7646

> > > Alt Phone: (303) 791-READ

> > > Fax: (303) 688-7655

> > > Email: melkins at dclibraries.org

> > > Web: www.DouglasCountyLibraries.org

> > > -----Original Message-----

> > > From: englishlanguage-bounces at nifl.gov

> > > [mailto:englishlanguage-bounces at nifl.gov] On Behalf Of Daphne

> Greenberg

> > > Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 3:00 PM

> > > To: englishlanguage at nifl.gov

> > > Subject: [EnglishLanguage 2254] on-line dictionary with instant

> sound

> > >

> > > ESL is not my area of expertise, so I don't know if this site is

> good,

> > or

> > if

> > > it is a site that everyone already knows about. A friend of mine

> > introduced

> > > me to a site described as "An English Pronouncing Dictionary with

> > Instant

> > > Sound" I tried it out with a few words, and it seemed like a great

> idea

> > for

> > > learners struggling with pronunciation of specific words. They need

> to

> > have

> > > some proficiency with English spelling in order to use the site

> because

> > they

> > > need to write the word in order to hear it pronounced.

> > >

> > > The url is: http://howjsay.com/

> > >

> > > I am curious what people on this list think about this site.

> > >

> > > Daphne

> > >

> > > Daphne Greenberg

> > > Associate Professor

> > > Educational Psych. & Special Ed.

> > > Georgia State University

> > > P.O. Box 3979

> > > Atlanta, Georgia 30302-3979

> > > phone: 404-413-8337

> > > fax:404-413-8043

> > > dgreenberg at gsu.edu

> > >

> > > Daphne Greenberg

> > > Associate Director

> > > Center for the Study of Adult Literacy

> > > Georgia State University

> > > P.O. Box 3977

> > > Atlanta, Georgia 30302-3977

> > > phone: 404-413-8337

> > > fax:404-413-8043

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> > Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 09:26:53 -0600

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