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ITS Program Advisory Committee Teleconference/Web Conference
U.S. DOT Headquarters Conference Center
April 6, 2009
Attendance
ITS Program Advisory Comittee:
Steve Albert
Scott F. Belcher
Robert Peter Denaro
Ann Flemer
Alfred Foxx
Randell H. Iwasaki
Thomas C. Lambert
Adrian Lund
Michael Replogle
Joseph M. Sussman, Committee Chairman
Ronald Greer Woodruff
ITS JPO Director:
Ms. Shelley Row
Committee Designated Federal Official:
Mr. Stephen Glasscock
CITIZANT:
Charlie Valez
Andy Palanisamy
Amy Polk
Also Present:
Chuck Gault
Michael Volling
Harmony Allen
Timothy O'Leary
Bruce Schopp
Craig Updyke
Meredith Singer
John Augustine
Robert Monniere
TABLE OF CONTENTS
Topic Page
- Opening Remarks
- New Administration Transition Issues and News
- American Recovery and Reinvestment Act
- ITS Program Strategic Plan
- Committee’ Proposed New ITS Program Goal
- Transportation Legislation Reauthorization
- ITS America Annual Meeting
- U.S. DOT ITS Program Governance
- Summary and Wrap-up
Proceedings 2:07 p.m
Opening Remarks
DR. SUSSMAN: Let me call this distinguished
group to order.
This is our teleconference of the ITS Program
Advisory Committee. The purpose is, essentially, to
bring everybody up to speed on a variety of events that
have transpired in the world of ITS and beyond.
Although, since we've met, the new administration has
moved in, the economy has tanked even further than it
had tanked the last time we were -- that we were in
session, our friends at JPO have made a lot of progress
in -- on various fronts, including their strategic
plan. And we were interested -- given the impending
reauthorization activity, we were interested in seeing
if we could have a useful discussion about the
reauthorization of SAFETEA-LU that could perhaps inform
directions that that legislation might go to be of
value to us. And Scott Belcher, who's on, wanted to
give us a sense of the ITS America Annual Meeting, to
be held, if I recall correctly, in Washington this
June. So, there are a variety of topics, some long,
some relatively short, and I appreciate everybody
taking the time to participate in this teleconference.
As I speak, the Red Sox are opening up in --
at Fenway Park, so it's an auspicious day before we
even begin. I think they're going to get rained on
pretty soon, though.
So, with no further ado, Shelley, unless
there are any comments from the committee, I -- I'll
turn it to you for several briefings and the briefings
that some of your colleagues may have, as well.
MS. ROW: Okay, thank you, Joe. And let me
just do a couple of housekeeping things before we
start.
For those of you who are on the phone, if you
would please mute your phones when you're not speaking,
that helps us keep the interference and the background
noise down.
Also, if and when you wish to make a comment
-- and we hope you will; there are several discussion
topics on the agenda today -- then unmute your phone
and please state your name so we are clear on who is
speaking.
I'll remind you that we are required to
provide transcripts of all of these meetings, so we
have a recorder here in the room, and they need to know
who is speaking. So, if you all would, please help us
out in that regard.
The other thing, Joe, I wondered -- we do
have a number of people in the room here -- would it be
appropriate to go -- do a quick round of introductions
so the folks on the phone know who are in the room?
DR. SUSSMAN: I think that would be very helpful. But, before you do that, let me just thank Shelley for reminding us that this an official, if you will, meeting of this Advisory Committee, exactly of the sort that we've had before, operating under all those same, I guess, FACA rules. So, I guess, Shelley, if somebody wanders into my office and wants to participate, I have to let them, right?
MS. ROW: That's correct.
DR. SUSSMAN: And I -- I'm suspecting that won't happen. But, this is an official meeting of our committee. Okay, Shelley, go ahead.
MS. ROW: Well, I'll start, and then we'll just go around the room. I'm Shelley Row, the director of the ITS Joint Program Office.
MR. AUGUSTINE: John Augustine, Deputy Director, ITS.
MS. ROW: And if you guys would speak up.
MS. ALLEN: Harmony Allen, with the International Road Federation.
DR. SUSSMAN: Can you repeat that, please? We couldn't hear that. I couldn't, anyway.
MS. ROW: Just come on up, so --
MS. ALLEN: Harmony Allen, with the International Road Federation.
MR. VOLLING: Mike Volling, Census Networks.
MR. GAULT: Chuck Gault, Wind River Systems.
MS. SINGER: Meredith Singer, IBM.
MR. O'LEARY: Tim O'Leary, Peak Traffic Corporation.
MR. UPDIKE: Craig Updike, National Electrical Manufacturers Association, NEMA.
MR. SCHOPP: Bruce Schopp, also NEMA.
MR. GLASSCOCK: Stephen Glasscock, ITS [inaudible].
MR. MONNIERE: Bob Monniere, Red Sox Nation. No, that's --
[Laughter.]
MR. MONNIERE: -- Office of the Chief Counsel.
MS. POLK: Amy Polk, Citizant.
MR. PALANISAMY: Andy Palanisamy, with Citizant, Inc.
MR. VALEZ: Charlie Valez, Citizant.
MS. ROW: And that's everyone in the room here with us, Joe.
DR. SUSSMAN: Good. So, these are, if you will, guests of -- people from the general public who have some interest in these proceedings.
MS. ROW: That's correct.
DR. SUSSMAN: So, the only ones, then, if I was counting right, from JPO itself are you and John. I didn't hear [inaudible], but maybe I didn't --
MS. ROW: No, Stephen Glasscock is here.
DR. SUSSMAN: Stephen, okay. Stephen, how are you?
MR. GLASSCOCK: Good, Joe.
MS. ROW: Okay. Before we get started on the agenda, Bob Monniere is here. He's RITA's chief counsel, and he, and we, felt like it was appropriate to do a quick reminder on some of the ethics issues surrounding the Advisory Committee.
So, Bob, I'm going to turn it over to you, please.
MR. MONNIERE: Thank you, Shelley. And, by the way, I'm the acting chief counsel until we --
MS. ROW: Sorry.
MR. MONNIERE: -- until we've --
MS. ROW: Sorry.
MR. MONNIERE: That's quite all right.
MS. ROW: I knew that.
MR. MONNIERE: I take promotions wherever I can get them, more of the permanent variety than temporary.
[Laughter.]
MR. MONNIERE: But, I did want to take a few moments just to talk about ethics. And let me, first, start by saying that, if
you ever have any questions concerning ethics, you certainly are encouraged to give me a call. My number is 202-366-5498.
As you already -- as you should know, the General Services Administration, in fact, does have FACA regulations that apply to every Federal Advisory Committee and the meetings thereunder. Part of that regulation states that the agency head has a responsibility to ensure that committee members do not have ethical conflicts. And, while I'm certainly not going to go over all the possible ethical conflicts that could occur, I did want to touch on one area, and that would be the appearance of a conflict of interest.
And by that, I mean -- and I'm just going to take some examples, because so many of these situations are fact-dependent. But, if we had, for instance, a committee member also who -- and, obviously, the vast majority of committee members have private employers -- if that committee member's private employer was doing business with the agency, we would want to know about that.
That particular situation would have to be reviewed to ensure that, one, there was no actual conflict of interest, and, two, there was no appearance of a conflict of interest. And how that might arise is that, let's say, the committee member worked for a company which had a contract with RITA. It would give the appearance of a conflict of interest if that committee member was contacting the agency about the contract, either to get it extended, negotiating terms of the contract -- there would have to be a firewall between that committee member and the agency concerning that contract.
That is not to say that the company could not have a contract with RITA. That is, however, to say that that committee member should not be involved in the execution of the contract, the negotiation of the contract, trying to mediate contract issues. And I hope everyone understands that and can recognize the inherent conflict of interest there.
I'm going to limit myself to a few minutes, here, because I know you have a very busy schedule, but I want to, again, emphasize that if, at any point, you should encounter a situation where you have questions, where you feel perhaps someone is asking you to do something that you don't feel is appropriate, be that either within the company or on the outside, please do give me a call. That's what we're here for. We're here to support you and to answer questions in this area. And ethics can be a very sticky area. So, as I said, it's very fact-dependent, and if you change some of the facts, you often result in a -- you often come to a different result. And again, the number is 202-366-5498, and I'd be happy to answer any questions you folks may have.
DR. SUSSMAN: Bob -- is it appropriate, Shelley, to ask you a particular question now, or is -- about my own situation, or is that something I ought to do offline with Bob? I'm referring, here, to MIT and its status as one of the university transportation centers, which is, of course, a program run by RITA.
MR. MONNIERE: I think, for specific situations, please do give me a call, because, as I've found these ethics discussions, one question leads to another, and we would basically be taking up everyone's time with a discussion that may only apply to one individual. But, certainly if you have general questions of a general nature, I'd be happy to try to answer those now.
[No response.]
MR. MONNIERE: Okay --
MS. ROW: All right.
MR. MONNIERE: -- hearing none.
MS. ROW: Okay.
MR. MONNIERE: Again, feel free to give me a call, and I appreciate your time.
MS. ROW: Thank you.
DR. SUSSMAN: Bob, I'll call you on that question, then.
MR. MONNIERE: Thank you. That'll be fine.
MS. ROW: And let me just mention to you all, as well, two things. First of all, Bob means what he says; he has, just, been an excellent resource for us. If you have any questions at all, don't hesitate to give him a call or send him an e-mail. He is -- responds very quickly, and has been most helpful to us.
So, he's there -- he is there to support you, and he does do that very well. The only other thing I would add is that we are very well aware that, in fact, most of you have some kind of contractual relationship with the Department in various forms or fashions. We knew that at the time you were selected, so we've taken some measures already in that regard. But, if anything changes or if there's a situation you are uncomfortable with, again, do not hesitate to contact Bob. Okay?
Anything else on that?
[No response.]
DR. SUSSMAN: Sounds good, Shelley.
MS. ROW: Oh, and Al Foxx, are you there?
MR. FOXX: Yes, I'm here.
MS. ROW: Great, Al. Has anyone else joined us?
[No response.]
MS. ROW: Great. Okay. Joe, should I move on?
DR. SUSSMAN: I think so. I expect that Bob Denaro will chime in as soon as he gets through security and gets to the room he's reserved to make his call.
New Administration Transition Issues and News
MS. ROW: Okay, excellent. The first thing on the agenda that Joe and Bob asked me to just make a few remarks on is the current state of the new administration and the transition. At the time we put this on the agenda, there wasn't much to say, and now, lo and behold, there is more to say. As Joe noted, we do have a nominee for the RITA administrator. It is Peter Appel. I don't personally know him. His bio reads very well. We're very excited to start working with him. He does have a background in transportation, 20 years of experience in transportation. As Joe pointed out already, he has a master's in transportation from MIT, he's worked in -- with Amtrak, with FAA, in the freight industry, and is currently with A.T. Kearney, a management consulting firm. We don't have any more information, other than that, so we'll be happy to keep you apprised as we learn more.
Also, since we all spoke last, there has also been a nominee for the Federal Highway Administration
administrator, that is Victor Mendez. Some of you may
know Victor. He was the commissioner -- or, the
director of the Arizona Department of Transportation.
He was the past president of AASHTO. He -- many of us
have known Victor for quite some time. His State, in
Arizona, has long been a leader in ITS, so we know that
he is going to be a friendly voice for ITS at the
Federal Highway Administration. We don't have any more
information about some of the other modes that we
typically work with, but we'll keep you apprised.
Obviously, we've had a Secretary now for some
time. In addition to the Secretary, we have a slate of
a variety of different supporting folks in the Office
of the Secretary, a chief of staff, White House
liaison, scheduler, various different folks up in OST,
and I won't go into all that.
So, we are moving along. No major policy
changes, at this point. All attention, at this
juncture, has been focused on the American Recovery and
Reinvestment Act.
So, before I go into that, let me just pause
and see if there any questions or comments or
information that any of you might have about the new
nominated administrators.
DR. SUSSMAN: Shelley, this is Joe. I was curious if one has any sense of the timeframe within which these people would come up for confirmation.
MS. ROW: No, I don't. I asked that of one of our other folks earlier today, and, no, there's no information that I'm aware of. Bob, do you have anything?
MR. MONNIERE: Well, they obviously would have to schedule a confirmation hearing, and obviously that's up to the Senate and their scheduling issues. So, at this point, this early juncture, we don't really have a feel for that.
DR. SUSSMAN: RITA's, it seems to me, is
ahead of the game already in that. I recall, in the
past administrations, the RITA administrator is named
-- or, nominated very late in the process, so it seems
as though it's getting a bit more profile. I'm put a
positive construction on that.
MS. ROW: Yes, we are very encouraged. We --
in fact, we're just tweaking our briefing-book
materials for the new administrator so that we have our
best foot forward when they walk in the door. And I
think we have that, actually. I've been very pleased
with the materials that we have.
DR. SUSSMAN: Sounds good.
MS. ROW: Anything else from anyone before we
move on?
[No response.]
American Recovery and Reinvestment Act
MS. ROW: Okay. Joe, then do you want me to
move on into the American Recovery and Reinvestment
Act?
DR. SUSSMAN: Yes, that sounds -- that sounds
like a good idea.
MS. ROW: Okay. And you all should see this
presentation on your computer screens.
What I -- what we're going to share with you
is the materials that have been developed by the
Department, primarily FHWA, to describe ARRA, the
American Recovery and Reinvestment Act. It is a
lengthy presentation. I have no intention of going
through all of the slides with you. I will just hit
some of the high points. If you have other questions,
I will try to answer them. If I can't answer them,
I'll find someone who can.
So, let me go ahead, Charlie. We're just
going to briefly give you an overview of the objectives
of the act, a little bit of a high-level picture of the
funding, and some of the requirements, just a snapshot
about the reporting requirements, which are extensive,
and a little bit about the next steps.
DR. SUSSMAN: Shelley, just let me ask a
question. You mentioned seeing it on your computer
screen. I'm simply on the telephone, and I have your
hard copy. I didn't -- wasn't aware that was an
option. How does one get in and have these on one's
computer screen?
MS. ROW: The instructions were e-mailed out.
Let me see.
DR. SUSSMAN: I can [inaudible] this way with
no problem.
MS. ROW: Okay.
DR. SUSSMAN: This -- there is a --
MS. ROW: It would be helpful -- let's see,
that was an e-mail sent out a few days ago.
DR. SUSSMAN: I've got it, I'm sorry. I
didn't -- I didn't have it. Why don't -- why don't --
let's just proceed. I can use the hard copy.
MS. ROW: Okay. All right, that's good.
All right, so ARRA -- go on to the next slide
-- oh, here we go. I think everyone's heard about the
-- we were calling it a stimulus package. It's
official name is the American Recovery -- well, what is
it? -- Recovery and Reinvestment Act, ARRA. I won't
read the quote to you. You know what the point is:
job preservation and creation, infrastructure
investment, energy efficiency and science, assistance
to the unemployed, and State and local fiscal
stabilization.
The transportation of this -- the total
amount is 787 billion, the transportation piece is 48.1
billion, which includes 27.5 billion for highways. And
again, I've mentioned -- the presentation package
you're seeing was developed by the Federal Highway
Administration, so it's going to drill down primarily
into that highways portion of the funding.
Of the 27 and a half billion that became
available, there is some amount of it that is taken off
the top, so to speak, and you can see it enumerated
here and in the next slide. What that means in -- is
that there's a total of 26.6 billion that is available
to be apportioned to the States. That apportionment is
done, as you see on this slide, which is based on a
formula allocation, based on the Surface Transportation
Program, which is a standard program that we've had for
years. And so, that's what the allocation is.
There are some set-asides -- 3 percent for
transportation enhancements, and then a 30-percent
suballocation to metropolitan areas. And you can see
what those suballocations are for into those urban
areas.
This slide that has the diagram on it, it
shows of -- a pictorial image of what I just described
in words. So, you see the 27.5 billion, the takedown
off the top, leaving 26.2 -- 26.6 billion, and then
those suballocations and redistribution, then, to the
State DOTs.
Eligible uses. This is some of the language
from ARRA. What I would mention specifically to you
all, it says "restoration, repair, construction, and
other activities under the Surface Transportation
Program." ITS is part of "other activities under the
Surface Transportation Program." ITS projects are
eligible for ARRA funding.
Now, I will pause for just a minute here and
refer you to tabs 3, 4, and 5 in your read-ahead
materials. Those tabs contain a white paper that we
prepared with the other modes to articulate how ITS
investments meet the criteria of ARRA -- that they are
quick to implement, they create jobs, they provide
short- and long-term benefits and environmental
benefits. That white paper was distributed widely,
largely through the associations and NTOC, so hopefully
you saw that. We were hoping to use that paper to
encourage State and local governments to fully consider
ITS investments for some of the ARRA funding that they
received.
There are some of you on the phone who
received that money, and so, I will defer to you if you
have anything to offer about how successful you were in
getting ITS projects. Our input has been that there
has been some success, but it has been less than what I
think we all would have hoped for.
Let's see. Okay, so those funds that are
apportioned to the States are intended to be completed
within 3 years and located in economically distressed
areas. Some of that mapping has been provided to the
State DOTs from FHWA.
The money has to be moved pretty quickly.
The first distribution must go out very quickly. At
the end of 120 days, money that is not obligated will
be withdrawn and redistributed into the second
distribution. And again, that funding is to be
obligated promptly. And again, if it hasn't been
obligated, it will be subject to redistribution in --
September 30th, 2010. So, it's all about moving the
money, and our indication is that that is going
rapidly. Everyone is very busy these days.
I am not going to go into some of the
specifics about certifications, so I'm going to just
skim through this part. Let's go on to the next one.
There are a number of provisions relating to,
kind of, standard Federal requirements for funding.
Again, I'm not going to go into the specifics. There's
a DBE requirement, Buy America provisions, Davis-Bacon
requirements. So, there's a lot of that. Basically,
we have to comply with all other laws and regulations.
Now, the second pot of money, so to speak,
that I would mention is the $1 and a half billion
that's been allocated to the Office of the Secretary,
for discretionary grants. You can see a little bit of
information here about that. The requirements for that
-- there we are -- the requirements for that
discretionary program are still being developed -- yeah
-- no, back -- there you go -- they're still being
developed, they have to be released within 90 days of
enactment. That's about mid-May. Yes.
DR. SUSSMAN: Shelley, what PowerPoint are
you on, for those of us who are just thumbing through
the book?
MS. ROW: It's on PowerPoint slide 25.
DR. SUSSMAN: Oh, you took a big jump, okay.
MS. ROW: Yes.
DR. SUSSMAN: Good, thank you.
MS. ROW: Okay? Sorry about that, Joe.
So, we -- there's a group within DOT that's
developing that criteria. We have provided information
about ITS to that group. I have not personally seen
the draft criteria that they are working on, but it
should be coming out very shortly.
Accountability. That has been a big part of
this program. There, in fact, are substantial
reporting requirements. Again, I'm not going to go
into the details of it; there are quite a number of
slides in your packet about the reporting requirements.
Just know that they are substantial. The Department --
or, indeed, the administration -- are very committed to
following the distribution of this funding, and the
accountability of it, so that we spend it wisely.
The next slide. Keep going, one more. Keep
going.
Okay, the -- I think the -- one of the final
points that I would have is that, within the
Department, this is clearly a top priority. This
references FHWA. It is no different for the other
modes. There is tremendous energy, time, and attention
that is going into managing and overseeing the ARRA
funding and to ensure the highest standards of
accountability.
Let's go ahead and --
We recognize -- one back, Andy -- we
recognize that we are very likely to have a higher
level of scrutiny, so we're preparing now for that.
"We," being the Department as a whole. So, there's a
lot of activity here with this program, and it's going
to consume a lot of resources to keep it on track and
keep it managed.
So, that's a very high-level overview of it.
If you have questions, or there might be some of you
who have experience with it already, from your vantage
points, who can, maybe, provide more firsthand
knowledge of what it looks like on the receiving end.
DR. SUSSMAN: Can you enlighten us on the
purposes of this money, in the sense of deployment
versus R&D and other such program functions?
MS. ROW: I would say that its purpose is --
I wouldn't couch it as deployment; it is not an R&D
program. It is intended to get things done on the
ground, put people to work in a short period of time,
create jobs, rebuild, so to speak, infrastructure. So,
for example, the ITS program, the research program, got
no money out of this. It all went to State and local
agencies.
DR. SUSSMAN: Okay.
MR. FOXX: Shelley, this is Al Foxx, in
Baltimore. We've been involved with this for quite
some time, and it -- most of the -- almost all of the
funds that is coming to Baltimore City has been used in
infrastructure projects, not so much as ITS, but, you
know, fixing up the roads, highways, and things of that
nature. And that's where all the emphasis was placed
when we first got into this for designating projects.
However, there's a benefit to ITS, because it freed up
some of the local funds that we could invest in ITS
programs, like you had in your white paper. We was
doing optimization -- signal optimization. It -- the
stimulus money allowed us to free up some local funs to
put into our signal optimization. So, there are some
--
MS. ROW: That's good.
MR. FOXX: -- benefits to ITS because of the funding.
MS. ROW: That's good. That's good to hear,
Al. Thank you.
MR. WOODRUFF: Shelley, this is Greer
Woodruff, and I was just going to comment. I thought
the summaries written on the different ITS projects was
exceptional, and you answered a question earlier about
how that was distributed, but I would just ask Al, or
maybe others that received this type of information,
which I do not, did we send it to the right people to
be aware of what all is available and what the costs
and the benefits are if local funding is what's
generally going to be freed up to make these kind of
investments, or does there need to be another group
that this information is forwarded to? The information
was great; and if we get it into the right hands, I
think it will make a difference, perhaps, in using some
available funds and getting more deployment of these
technologies.
MS. ROW: I can address where -- how we
distributed it, and then maybe you all can give some
feedback on whether it was effective or not.
We leveraged our network of associations
through NTOC, the National Transportation Operations
Coalition, and we sent it to them, who got it out to
all of our contacts in, oh, gee, I don't know, 10, 12
associations. So, then AASHTO, ITE, ITS America, APWA,
all of those -- ACTA -- all of those folks then
redistributed it to their membership. So, that was the
way that we handled distribution. We put it on our Web
site. So, maybe you all can say how that worked for
you all.
MS. FLEMER: This is Ann Flemer. We received
it through ITS America, in terms of the members there,
and, I know, through the process of distributing
information through the State of California, there was
also an effort to get that information out. So, that
must have also been through the AASHTO program.
We ended up having ready-to-go projects that
were ITS nature in the San Francisco Bay area, so we
fit the definition without having to jump through any
extra hoops, you know, for -- as it being ITS, because
there was a commitment to -- in our existing programs,
to put money there. So, we were somewhat successful.
I think what's going to be interesting is
meeting all of the deadlines, as you've pointed out in
your presentation. And ITS, even though it is a quick-
hit kind of opportunity, I think it'll be an
interesting thing to see how quickly we can move on the
design and final installation of some of these
programs.
MS. ROW: Good. Good.
DR. SUSSMAN: Shelley, at MIT there's, of
course, a lot of interest in the opportunities for
developing laboratories and things of that sort, as
well as funding for major R&D programs. The issue is
the question of the very high rate at which the monies
must be spent and the question of gearing up, say, a
major research effort over a less-than-2-year period,
and then in -- the support goes away and you've got
graduate students in the middle of programs, and things
of that nature. So, certainly MIT is going to
aggressively compete for these funds, but there are
concerns about how you handle the ratchet-up and then
the cliff that you hit a few years out.
MS. ROW: Okay. They're not really designed
for research programs, Joe, so I'm not sure -- if the
States --
DR. SUSSMAN: No, no, I -- what -- I didn't
-- I didn't state that clearly.
MS. ROW: Okay.
DR. SUSSMAN: The large-scale equipment and
things of that nature in support of research programs
are, I believe, one way in which the monies can be
spent.
MS. ROW: Okay.
DR. SUSSMAN: Implying larger -- the
potential for more aggressive research programs.
MS. ROW: Okay.
I also wanted to mention to you all, since
the white paper came up that's in your tabs -- the
short version is under tab 3, and then there's longer
versions, under 4 and 5, that elaborate -- we are also
creating another white paper on ITS applications in
work zones. We're trying to take advantage of every
lever possible. Because this work will be going out
into construction very quickly, and there will be so
much of it going on at one time, it's going to
eventually generate a lot of construction zones around
the country. That is yet another potential application
for ITS. So, we're writing a white paper right now --
I looked at a draft of it this morning -- that we plan
to distribute, similarly to the first one, that, again,
states the benefits of using ITS in work zones, in a
temporary basis, as well as installing them for
construction, and then keeping them in place
permanently. So, we're taking that tactic, as well, to
see if we can get more ITS installed as a part of the
ARRA work.
MR. FOXX: Shelley, this is Al Foxx again.
You mentioned earlier about the Secretary's 1.5-billion
grants. And I'm wondering whether or not -- and you
stated that there was the criteria for applying for
those grants that are still being developed. Is that
-- do you have any indication that there were -- that
would have limits as to what areas that the grant money
will be applied to? Or could you -- will research and
development and ITS and all those other programs be
available -- or, not "be available," but could apply
for those grants if we -- if the agency needed
additional money to do some of those projects?
MS. ROW: It's a good question, Al. They are
developing the criteria right now. There's a couple of
slides that speak to that in the presentation package.
What I can tell you -- what I know, at this
juncture, is that they are working on the criteria. I
have not personally seen what they are working on.
However, we were contacted to provide some information
about ITS, and it is my understanding that it was the
intent to create either criteria or kind of a bonus
criteria if you use technology in some of the
investments.
MR. FOXX: Okay.
MS. ROW: But, understand that, you know,
that's based on one phone call, so don't take that to
the bank. The criteria should be released in the next,
oh, month or month and a half.
MR. FOXX: Okay. Still subject to the same
time limits -- 2 years?
MS. ROW: Let me see. They have to be
completed within 3 years of enactment.
MR. FOXX: Okay.
MR. REPLOGLE: Shelley, this is Michael
Replogle, Environmental Defense Fund. These
backgrounders that were dated January 16th on
investment opportunities for ITS, are those things that
you're looking for comment from us on?
MS. ROW: No, that's been released. So, that
was, you know, completed and sent out the door in mid-
January. We were trying to get that out ahead of the
ARRA information, so that, as States were formulating
their ready-to-go project list, they -- we could do
everything we could to encourage them to consider ITS
investments.
MR. REPLOGLE: Okay. Do you expect to be
doing, I guess, further updates to those?
MS. ROW: I don't, at this point, Michael.
MR. REPLOGLE: Okay. I guess I -- the reason
I ask is, I mean, I -- having seen these -- I did look
through them, and it was struck that -- you know, I
think that they could benefit from paying, perhaps, a
little bit more attention to some of the bus rapid-
transit strategies, and I didn't really see any mention
at all in here on transit ridership information systems
on buses, [inaudible] get them through your cell phone
or the Internet or at a bus stop, telephone. There's
nothing on [inaudible] or [inaudible] control systems
and railways. So, there were just a few areas where I
think those could be strengthened.
MS. ROW: Okay. We -- we're trying very hard
to make it multimodal. Bus rapid transit is there,
transit automated vehicle, AVL, and CAD is in there,
parking management systems. It's not -- border
crossing systems, as well as electronic credentialing
and screening, is in there. So, yeah, I thought we had
--
MR. REPLOGLE: Yeah, it doesn't -- I guess --
they're here. I mean, for example, VRT, just [inaudible] --
MS. ROW: Right.
MR. REPLOGLE: -- was almost entirely on
vehicle assistance automation. Most VRT systems are
not -- are a minor component. So --
MS. ROW: Okay
MR. REPLOGLE: -- [inaudible] that could be
done with other elements [inaudible]. So, if it's an
area of interest [inaudible] wanted to highlight it
[inaudible] that was part of the package.
MS. ROW: Okay.
Joe, I'll turn it back to you, or do you want
me to move into the next item?
ITS Program Strategic Plan
DR. SUSSMAN: The next one is your strategic
plan, right?
MS. ROW: Yes. And we're already over our
time, so I want to try to catch up a little bit,
because the point here is for -- you all have plenty of
time to talk about the proposed goal that you suggest,
as well as reauthorization.
So, Joe, I will move through the strategic
planning discussion fairly promptly, if that's okay
with you.
DR. SUSSMAN: Yeah, let's do that. Bob, have
you -- Bob Denaro, have you tuned in?
VOICE: Yes.
MR. DENARO: I'm here, Joe.
VOICE: Yes, he's tuned in.
DR. SUSSMAN: Oh, you're here, okay. I
didn't realize you had -- that you had joined. Good.
Thank you.
MR. DENARO: Yup. Sure.
DR. SUSSMAN: So, let's go into the strategic
plan, then, Shelley.
MS. ROW: Okay.
DR. SUSSMAN: What tab is that?
MS. ROW: It's tab 6.
DR. SUSSMAN: Thank you.
MS. ROW: Now, as -- by way of a preface, the
presentation that you have is a briefing that we did
for our ITS Strategic Planning Group -- the SPG, we
call it. That's the internal organization within U.S.
DOT of the modes that we primarily work with. So,
consequently, this was tailored for that meeting, which
was just last week, and we have not had a chance to
update this based on that meeting. So, I will do some
of that update verbally. And I'm also going to skip
some of these slides, because they're just not as
relevant to our discussion today.
DR. SUSSMAN: Okay. So, if you could just
let us what page you're' on in hard copy, know when
you're doing that, that would be helpful.
MS. ROW: Will do.
VOICE: And do you want us to offer comments
as you're going through this, or wait until you're
finished walking through?
MS. ROW: It might be easiest to wait til I
get finished. The intent of it, Michael, is to just
set the stage, really, for the discussion that follows.
MR. REPLOGLE: Okay.
MS. ROW: Joe, is that okay with you?
DR. SUSSMAN: That's fine.
MS. ROW: Okay. I'm on page 38. So,
basically, I'm just going to give you a summary of the
strategic planning efforts to date. You will recall
that we did a fair amount of strategic planning
discussions with you all in some of your first
meetings, where we talked about trends that we were
seeing in technology, in transportation, and we started
with some of that work; that distilled it into some
goal areas, and we're basically picking up where we
left off before to move forward now into creating a
multiyear strategic plan.
The other thing I would refresh your memory
is, we have a number of major initiatives underway
right now. Most of those will complete their funding
cycle this fiscal year, which means that FY10 is a
critical opportunity for us to establish new major
research programs, and that is the intent of the
strategic plan.
So, on page 39, again, our intent --
DR. SUSSMAN: Wait I don't -- I don't
understand what you're talking about, with page numbers
like that. I have -- I just have your PowerPoint, page
1, 2, 3, and so forth.
MS. ROW: In the read-ahead packet, it's
slide 39.
DR. SUSSMAN: [Inaudible] under tab 6.
MR. REPLOGLE: Yeah, it's -- number 3 is --
VOICE: He may have two slides per page.
DR. SUSSMAN: Number 3?
VOICE: Yeah.
MS. ROW: No, apparently --
MR. REPLOGLE: They're very small characters
on the Power-- under tab 6.
MS. ROW: There's are not paginated.
VOICE: I think they've got a different --
MR. REPLOGLE: -- [inaudible].
MS. ROW: Is this --
VOICE: Joe, for you it's --
MS. ROW: Is this what they have?
VOICE: Uh-huh.
VOICE: -- in the left bottom corner --
MS. ROW: Oh. Oh, okay.
VOICE: They've got it.
MS. ROW: Okay, we now know what you have.
Sorry about that.
DR. SUSSMAN: Okay.
MS. ROW: So, I'm at the top of page 2 --
DR. SUSSMAN: Right.
MS. ROW: It says "Foundational Assumptions."
DR. SUSSMAN: Right.
MS. ROW: Are we together?
DR. SUSSMAN: Yes.
MS. ROW: Okay. The slide number is 3.
DR. SUSSMAN: I got it.
MS. ROW: Okay, great.
Okay, so again, what we're about here is
creating a multiyear roadmap. It will guide
investments. It is intended to be done in partnership
with the modes. And there are several -- are two
specific opportunities for stakeholder involvement, and
I'll talk more about those in just a minute.
So, on page 4, I'm not going to speak to
this. The reference here to Annex A and Annex B --
just so you all know, we have been working very
diligently to create some governance documents within
DOT to help manage the program. So, we now have a
charter that has three annexes -- A, B, and C -- that
help document how we're going to work together. So,
you don't need to worry about that. That's referencing
an internal document. On slide 5, or page 5, I guess, again this is
just a follow-on, and we're picking up where we left
off before and we're going to adapt to the environment
that it is today. Clearly, we have political
leadership that's coming in the building who will
undoubtedly want to have input on the strategic plan,
so we will be adapting, as well, to their input and
their guidance as we move forward.
The next slide, which I believe is page 6 in
your read-ahead packet, is just a visual depiction of
how we're going to drill down through strategic
initiatives, goals with objectives, performance
measures, into action plans.
The next page, which is your page 7, I'm not
going to talk about this. We developed this mission
statement last year with the JPO staff. It needs to be
revised. It was a starting point, but I'm not going to
go there today.
The next two pages, if you have really good
memories you might remember this. This actually came
out of briefings that we did with you all and
discussions that we had with you all on what would we
wish for. So, you may recall a working session, where
we talked about: If you went wishing, what would you
wish for? And slide 8 and 9 are the things that you
all came up with. The exception are the last two
bullets on slide 9, which identify -- the last bullet,
specifically, comes from the recommendations that the
Advisory Committee provided to us about adding a
potential goal area. And we'll talk more about that
shortly.
DR. SUSSMAN: Right.
MS. ROW: Okay?
Moving on to page 10, this is a trip down
memory lane. And I think this is important as the glue
that holds the program together. If you look back in
the history of the program, there are headlines, sound
bites, if you will, that capture the intent of the
program over the years. I would phrase it as
originally, field operational tests of, basically,
Defense Department technologies, moving into a focus on
deployment and then a focus on integrated deployment,
and now I would suggest that we're moving into the age
of connectivity.
So, the word "connectivity" is that glue that
holds together the direction that we feel we're moving
in with the next generation of the ITS program;
meaning, wireless connectivity that can enable what we
believe are transformational safety improvements and
transformational multimodal solutions that will give us
improved mobility within the system. So, that is a
common thread, even though it's kind of stated more or
less differently in each of the goal areas.
What you see in slide 12 is our requirements
that we are providing to our staff and the multimodal
staff as we begin to think about how to frame future
programs. Obviously, it has to fit within DOT goals.
We believe that there should continue to be a few very
focused, high-value, bold research initiatives. So,
we're not looking at a lot of little things; we want a
few big, high-impact things that have impact at a
national scale. We generally are looking for things
that transcend a single mode, although we are -- we are
focusing on some -- a fraction of the program that
would be for mode-specific research, and we're working
with the modes to identify that now.
We do expect it to address a clear research
question that would not otherwise be filled by someone
else. We obviously expect it to offer a positive
return on investment with a clear federal role. It
needs to be something that's implementable with
supporting partners. And, ideally, a market catalyst.
We recognize, in this day and age, that federal
research is only at the tip of a very big iceberg, and,
in fact, we want to catalyze market forces to carry
this work into deployment and implementation.
So, all of these are criteria we will be
looking for within each of the goal areas to structure
this upcoming research. Okay?
Now let me move into the goal areas and the
objectives. Again, this should look fairly familiar.
It's built off the work that we all did together last
year. It will come as no surprise to you that there is
a safety goal. We intentionally, in every one of
these, drill down. So, you'll notice that there is a
broad statement at the top, and then, as you go
through, we are intentionally narrowing the scope.
Again, we want a few focused activities, not a lot of
broad things. So, in this case we're focusing on the
notion of crash-list vehicles through connectivity --
vehicle-to-vehicle, vehicle-to-infrastructure kind of
connectivity.
Some of the objectives that we see are the
ability to create this 360-degree awareness for low-
latency safety applications, as well as applications
that are more in the warnings which could be done
without low-latency applications. Providing some
foundational research for vehicles to take their own
action, looking past V-to-V and V-to-I into automated
vehicles and maybe some foundational research in that
area.
Providing -- and it's not stated on here, it
came out of our SPG meeting -- but, doing all of this
in a manner that does not create hazards for the
driver, trying to get at that driver distraction issue,
but we don't want to make it a worse situation than
what we already have.
Okay, let me move on to mobility, which is
slide 14 for -- in the read-ahead package.
In the mobility goal, what I'm expecting this
to change to is to break this goal into three areas.
One area will center around capturing realtime
information on all modes -- all modes, all roads -- as
well as realtime information on cost -- meaning,
parking cost, transit costs, tolling costs, congestion-
pricing costs -- capturing all the data on the system.
The other part of this goal, we expect to
break into applications that would use that realtime
data, both using the realtime mobility data, as well as
the costing data. There's tremendous application
potential here.
The third part of this one, we expect to be
focused on e-payment pricing strategies, the standards
that would enable nationwide interoperability for
pricing, including all the way from integrating
parking, bus, rail, tolling, pricing, but also to
include the possibility of a future VMT fee policy,
should that come into place. Okay? So, again, we've
not had a chance to update this slide since Thursday of
last week.
Okay, let me go to the next slide. The
environment. We see this as being, again, another goal
area. That should -- I believe, slide 15 for you all.
Again, there's lots of things to do in the environment.
We see the focus that we can particularly serve is
getting fuel and emissions data off of the vehicle and
identifying applications -- helping create applications
to use that data in modeling for traveler information,
a lot of applications we see that would be of value,
should we have that kind of data off of the vehicle.
Okay, let me move to the next one. This was
pertaining to VMT fee collection. It's just a fancy
way of saying it. We now feel that we're going to roll
this into the mobility goal area. It will not be a
separate goal area.
On the policy work, we, again, believe that
all of these activities I've talked about to date, in
the safety, in the mobility areas, and the
environmental areas, all have -- have a policy aspect
to them that is essential. So, in this case, we have
culled it out as a separate goal. Our thinking now is,
is that it should be incorporated as an inherent part
of the research of each of those other goal areas. So,
that is our intent, at this point, of how to handle the
policy research that is so essential to the successful
enactment, so to speak, of the programs.
Equity. This is the goal area that you all
recommended to us in your advice memos and in our
meetings. What you see on this slide is a very first
cut at a statement of it, and this is the area that we
intend to have discussion with you all today, so I'm
not going to go into it any further here. Okay.
This last -- or, one of the last slides here
-- again, we don't need to go into. The goals, once
they are stabilized, we intend to form multimodal teams
to flush them out, to clearly articulate the research
question, to articulate the federal role, what we can
understand today about the benefit-cost -- meaning, the
business case. What are the implementation issues, the
policy issues? How would we evaluate it? And then,
again, some budget estimates. We fully expect to have
more good programs proposed than we have money, so we
will be evaluating the program proposals and then going
through a selection process to scale them to fit, and
prioritize them to fit, the available funding.
Let's go to the next slide. Oh, that is the
next slide.
Okay, I mentioned stakeholder input. We
currently have two opportunities planned specifically.
We will very shortly, as soon as we can review the
document, be getting an RFI out to the community that
will articulate some version of the goals that you just
saw, and we will ask the community for input into those
goal areas, ranging from, "Are they appropriate, do
they make sense?" to any specific recommendations that
the community has for high-value work that they think
would be appropriate for us to pursue.
We also are working with ITS America, thanks
to Scott. We intend to have a day-long workshop on
June the 4th, immediately following the ITS America
meeting here in D.C. So, everyone can come to the
meeting and then stay for the workshop.
In that workshop, we will have the multimodal
teams who will have been working, at that point, and
have their thoughts to date to share in breakout
sessions, is what we're envisioning right now, to get
more specific feedback from the stakeholder community
on what they think would catalyze the market, be a
high-value work that the Federal Government could have
an appropriate role in. And that's the kind of input
that we will so desperately need at this juncture so we
can make wise choices about investment strategies.
This last one is just inside-the-building
schedule. You don't need to worry about it, except to
know that, if you call us and we don't respond right
away, it's because we're in one of these meetings.
[Laughter.]
MS. ROW: So, that's a high-level overview of
the strategic planning effort to date.
DR. SUSSMAN: Shelley, when are you -- maybe
it's on that timeline, but when are you planning to
have completed text on that strategic plan?
MS. ROW: Two answers to your question. We
are formulating, right now, revised slides on the goals
and objectives, so I expect to have that back to our
modal partners -- and I'm happy to share that with you
all, I'd like to say, this week, because we're on such
a short timeframe. I mean, we have to -- it's the
basis for the RFI. So, that's one answer.
The other answer is that all of this
information will eventually be written into a prose
document that will say "ITS Strategic Plan" on the
cover. That will lag this effort. It probably will
not be done until the fall. The biggest push that we
have is to get the guts of the plan done by September
so that it can frame out our work budget for FY-2010,
which starts October 1. Okay? So, we need to have
enough fidelity on the work for the first year of the
strategic plan to create a budget October 1, but the
actual prose can be written and finalized later that
fall.
MR. AUGUSTINE: So, Joe, if you look at the
September column on that calendar chart, you'll see
that the two green diamonds talk to the schedule, to
try and have a strategic plan prepared for rough draft
in mid-September and then published in the October
timeframe.
DR. SUSSMAN: Oh, I see it. Those are the
green diamonds. Okay.
MR. AUGUSTINE: Correct.
MS. ROW: Yes. Did that answer your
question, Joe?
DR. SUSSMAN: It does, thank you.
MS. ROW: And, Joe, I will turn it back to
you and Bob. I'm happy to either discuss this or, if
you all want to discuss your proposed goal, however you
see fit to use the time.
DR. SUSSMAN: Well, the way Bob and I have
split up the next two agenda items is, I'm going to
take the lead on this first item, which is scheduled
for 25 minutes ago --
MS. ROW: Right.
Committee’ Proposed New ITS Program Goal
DR. SUSSMAN: -- "Committee's Proposed New
Program Goal." To a certain extent, I am almost
tempted to declare victory on it, since you've got it
in this plan. But, perhaps I ought to give a little
context to the general approach that the committee has
taken, to refresh everybody's memory, on these goals,
harking back to last year.
So, in the very first advisory memo that we
wrote to U.S. DOT, dated May 29th, 2008, we made some
comments, at that time, on the ITS program goals. And
to quote that report, "The committee sees the goals of
the ITS program as being multidimensional." Those
stated by JPO were mobility safety, the environment,
and then we noted, as an aside, "The committee was
pleased to see the addition of the environmental goals
since our last meeting, in November 2007, when the
committee spoke out on the need for an environmental
perspective." Some of you will recall that, in that
first meeting, there was not an environmental goal.
The committee urged that there be one, and here, an
Advisory Committee -- advisory memo number 1, they are
applauding the fact that environment was put onto that
agenda. And then went on to comment on the 21st-
century institutions, innovations, and partnerships.
And we say, "These goals reflect vital national
transportation priorities -- congestion, safety,
environmental protection -- enabling the deployment of
new technologies to institutional innovations." And
then, came back to an idea that's kind of been the
touchstone of what the committee has been about, which
is urging our JPO, what we have called an "integrated
systems perspective" -- that is, thinking systemically
about ITS and what it can provide.
So, we were pleased that the JPO saw the
value of an environmental goal, and added it, and were
pleased further to see that we weren't simply talking,
in the program, about technology, but about political,
social, and deployment issues, which tend to be
institutional in nature.
And then, in that same Advisory Committee
memo 1, we also suggested an additional goal, ITS-
enabled universal access to the U.S. transportation
system. And the proposed focus area under the goal was
to conduct research on, and enable deployment of, means
by which all citizens can access full mobility and
information benefits of the U.S. transportation systems
through ITS technology. And sort of the shorthand for
this is, we were concerned about social equity and the
digital divide that many scholars speak of, the concern
that, with the advent of the Internet and related
technologies, that disadvantaged populations may have
yet another disadvantage; that is, their inability to
access information and, in our particular context,
access information about the transportation system.
So, we put that on the table, and then, in
the -- in the second Advisory Committee memo, again,
urged -- repeated our urging of that so-called
"digital-divide goal." And the way we characterized
it, at that time, is that, if one thinks in terms of
ITS contributing to a sustainable transportation
system, and a sustainable -- and sustainable
development contributed to by sustainable
transportation, that the classic definition of
"sustainability" has an economic development component,
which is embodied in mobility, an environmental
protection component, which is explicitly considered in
our environmental goals, and finally, the third "E" of
sustainability, social equity.
So, the committee
viewed our push for the equity goal as kind of rounding
out the sustainability aspect of what ITS could bring
to the table, in terms of transportation.
So, that kind of brings you up to where we
are. I think that, with the new administration and
some of the moves that we anticipate the Obama
administration taking, and their emphasis on broader
participation in the fruits of federal research to all
members of society that were, in some sense, on the
side of the angels, at this point, in terms of how we
would imagine they would respond to this kind of
initiative, and all I can say, at this point, is I am
pleased to see that, in the strategic plan for JPO,
that that has become integrated in their thinking.
So, that was a longer speech than I intended
to give. Professors to do things like that. So, let
me stop, at this point, and ask for comments, either
from the committee or from Shelly, about the additional
equity goals.
MS. ROW: Joe, this is Shelley. If I could
just pose a question for the committee, to help start
the discussion.
Obviously, you see that we have framed this
out as a separate goal. I will tell you that we've had
some internal conversations about how we would actually
do this, and a lot of our conversation tends to come
back to the other goal areas and doing specific
activities in research that address equity within those
other goals. So, one of the questions for you all is,
Do you see this as a standalone goal area? And if so,
we need some help understanding what the work would be.
Or, are you -- would you be comfortable if we
specifically cull this area out within the other goals
to accommodate the equity concern?
And let me just give you one example. And we
have examples for every one of the goals. If you look
at the safety goal area, where we talk about vehicle-
to-vehicle or vehicle-to-infrastructure communications
for safety, it is most likely that that would come to
be in luxury cars first, which is obviously a social
equity concern.
So, what we would propose, in order to deal
with the equity issues, is that there be a specific
part of that research program that addresses retrofit
feasibility and/or after-market feasibility, so that we
could bring on and provide those same benefits to
people who can't afford a new luxury vehicle with all
the latest bells and whistles.
DR. SUSSMAN: Okay.
MR. REPLOGLE: Yeah, let me -- let me -- this
is Michael Replogle -- let me toss out another way of,
for example, addressing the same vehicle --
DR. SUSSMAN: Michael, you need to speak up.
I can barely hear you.
MR. REPLOGLE: Okay. Another way of
addressing the equity issue under safety would be to
add another objective under that safety goal, of
ensuring greater predictability in context-sensitive
vehicle operations that protect pedestrians and
cyclists, inasmuch as a lot of the challenges of,
particularly, low-income people in America are related
to the very high incidence of their being involved in
accidents as pedestrians or cyclists.
MS. ROW: Okay.
MR. REPLOGLE: So, I just toss that out as
some -- as another way of addressing that whole [inaudible].
And then, under the equity goal itself, I
think it might be useful to cull out, not just the
digital divide and the access to transportation
information, but access to transportation information
and opportunities, so that the objective might be
stated as "assessing and recommending the use of ITS
within the public sector to provide equitable access to
transportation and information," recognizing that
access to transportation itself is something that ITS
can help to enhance, and that information access is
only a means to that larger end, which is really where
you need to go with equity.
DR. SUSSMAN: Okay, those are helpful
comments.
Shelley, did you want to proceed to give us
examples? You just gave a safety example, and I think
-- I thought you said you had examples in each of the
other areas.
MS. ROW: We do, because that -- one of our
fundamental issues is, Do we do this as a standalone
goal or incorporate it into the other goals? So, for
example, in mobility, when we talk about the goal area
where we are capturing realtime information and
realtime cost information, we would expect that --
there to be standards around that data set. We would
expect that -- the private market to take that
information, to use it, much as you've seen with Google
Transit, as you see with applications in iPhones and
those sorts of devices. And that's great.
However, we also see systems like 5-1-1,
which is a telephone-based system, being able to use
that data in providing increased quality of information
and service to people who simply have a telephone. And
so, we think that the 5-1-1 will eventually migrate
into kind of the low-cost public option for traveler
information, while the market takes off with high-end
tailored devices that are available to people who can
purchase such things.
DR. SUSSMAN: Okay. So, you -- we'll get to
the question of whether we want this crosscutting --
whether we want to put the equity within the other
areas, but why don't you give us all -- all of them,
and --
MS. ROW: Okay.
DR. SUSSMAN: -- and your examples thereof,
as input to that discussion.
MS. ROW: Okay. Again, on the mobility goal,
when we talk about applications that would use this
data, the goal is to improve transportation system
network performance. If you improve network
performance, that's improved for everyone. So, we feel
like that that's inherent in that one, if we can create
tools for transportation managers to improve multimodal
network performance, based on the data. So, we feel
like that one is -- that's -- works for everybody.
On the costing part of the mobility goal,
which is where we capture and standardize payment
systems, one of our thoughts there was -- is, if we can
capture that information and help create standards that
promote nationwide interoperability for seamless
payment, that if we do it in a smart way, that
capability can enable many social equity policy
choices. So, for example, if you have standards around
that, you could choose to provide, I don't know,
rebates for people who ride transit. You could provide
access to HOV lanes for certain social segments of the
population. All policy issues that we'd -- we would
not be engaged, in the ITS program, but we enable the
standards and the ability for decisionmakers and
policysetters to choose to implement it in a way that
fulfills social equity goals. But, we have to be the
enabler.
DR. SUSSMAN: I understand.
MS. ROW: Same goes for the environmental
piece. Again, if we can capture fuel economy,
emissions data, create models that can feed back to
travelers which routes are green routes, which routes
are going to maximize their fuel consumption, minimize
their emissions, then that can be information, again,
that's useful as people purchase vehicles, as people
use information. That could eventually -- eventually,
that could be on a 5-1-1 type of a system. Then they
can choose the routes that use the less -- least amount
of gas, for example. So, the information inherently
gives people choices that can enable them, whatever
they need to choose for their personal circumstance.
DR. SUSSMAN: And how is this a social equity
argument? I'm not quite following that one.
MS. ROW: The idea is that if you know how
your vehicle is using fuel, if you know how -- which
route is the one that's going to use the most fuel,
then you can choose to use less fuel.
DR. SUSSMAN: So, if you're poor, you're
[inaudible], that's a valuable service. Is that the
point?
MS. ROW: Yes. Or not -- you don't even have
to be poor to care about that one.
That actually has been --
VOICE: [Inaudible.]
MS. ROW: -- implemented. Japan has provided
feedback of that sort in some tests that they've run
with some of the automotive industry, and have achieved
really amazing results -- something like, I think, 18-
percent reduction in fuel usage, just by giving that
kind of information to the driver.
DR. SUSSMAN: I see.
MR. REPLOGLE: You know, I wonder if it makes
sense if -- you know, if you're looking -- I could see
having equity as a separate goal. I could also see
rolling equity and environment together, and also,
filtering both equity and environment into these other
strategy areas, where it makes sense to do so.
DR. SUSSMAN: Louder, Michael, please.
MR. REPLOGLE: I'm sorry. I see the utility
of keeping equity as a separate goal. I could also see
the potential for modifying -- having it linked,
environment and equity goal, which also expands
capacity to manage transportation networks, to reduce
environmental injustice, in terms of air pollution
hotspots -- for example, helping to route dirty trucks
outside of areas where there's increased population
exposure -- adding an objective under the environment,
for example, to enhance the attractiveness, safety, and
utility of public transit, ride-sharing, walking,
cycling, and other substitutes for high energy-
consumption personal-vehicle travel for -- or to modify
the existing objective of increased mobility that will
positively affect fuel consumption by saying, "increase
mobility and expand mode choices that will positively
impact fuel consumption and vehicle air-quality
emissions." Because I think that it gets to this issue
of -- you know, expanding modal choices is also
generally good for equity, because the lower-income
people tend to have less access to motor vehicle use
because of their economic circumstance.
DR. SUSSMAN: Thank you, Michael.
Shelley, I have a -- I have kind of a process
question. We've got less than 40 minutes to go. We
have what I think is a very important discussion that
Bob will chair, and he sent out some discussion
questions in advance of the meeting. I'm the
professor, but Denaro gave the homework. The -- and
I'm anxious that we have a chance to discuss that
reauthorization. And then, of course, we want to give
Scott his opportunity to talk a bit about the annual
meeting.
MS. ROW: Yes.
DR. SUSSMAN: So, I mean, I suspect we could
continue to go on this equity goal for a while, and I'm
-- I'm looking for a little guidance as to how we
should proceed and reach closure. I don't think it's
likely we're going to be able to do so on the
telephone.
MS. ROW: I would say, as far as the agenda
is concerned, that the last couple of items on the
agenda, we do not have to discuss, so those are low
priority. However, the things you noted, Joe, I do
agree, you want time for.
Frankly, we need some -- we need some
guidance on this equity goal. We have been, as I -- as
I indicated, we've been able to identify some research
issues that are specifically related to ITS, that we
could incorporate into some of these other goals.
Frankly, I struggle a lot with a standalone goal and
what we do that is specifically ITS-related. There are
a lot of policy issues that, I agree, are enabled by
ITS. Those are not ours to do. So, we are just,
frankly, struggling a bit with how to handle this. We
are going to meet with some folks within the building,
to talk with them about it, to get some more input and
guidance. But, we need some information from you all.
You can do it offline, if you prefer. But, we do need
some input.
DR. SUSSMAN: Seems to me, Shelley, that
there are two dimensions to this. One is the notion of
the substance of ensuring that equity -- social equity
is part of the program, that it -- that there's an
explicit consideration given in developing the research
agenda to social equity. There's -- that's a substance
question.
MS. ROW: All right.
DR. SUSSMAN: The political question is the
visibility of equity in the program. I think, from my
perspective at least, there are some advantages to
having equity as a high-level goal of the program, as a
way of assuring the substance of equity, in fact, being
researched within the other aspects of the program that
you discuss. So, that would include mobility,
environment, safety. So, there's this substance-
versus-political question. I see some value in keeping
that as visible. So, an alternative one might consider
would be to, in some sense, make equity, perhaps, a
crosscutting goal, or a crosscutting part of the
program that kind of slices across mobility, safety,
and the environment, the way you described it. Indeed,
as I was looking at the other goals, one could consider
that policies be -- the policies [inaudible] could have
that structure, as well. So, you've --
MS. ROW: Yeah.
DR. SUSSMAN: -- got the goals that are, if
you will, on the ground -- mobility, environment, and
safety -- and then you've got goals that are, in some
sense, overarching or enabling, which involve the
policies, institutions, and partnerships, as well as
social equity. So, that's perhaps another way of
thinking about it.
But, in the interest of moving on, I think
perhaps we ought to, for the moment, table the question
and see if we can articulate this better offline to
give you folks the benefit of our thinking about what
we mean, in more detail. I would certainly appreciate
receiving the particular examples that you culled out
just a few moments ago. I guess I'll see it in the
transcript, but if I could see it more directly, that
would be helpful, at least to me, in thinking it
through more completely.
MS. ROW: Okay. We can do that. We can
summarize those. Because we just talked about it at
the end of last week. And I like the idea of the --
kind of the crosscutting, overarching goals, because
policy is like that, and I think we could frame it in a
way that -- clearly articulate it, and then we clearly
had a -- an item, within each goal, that addressed
policy and equity issues. But, you all can provide us
more.
MR. LAMBERT: This is Tom Lambert. I think
you've hit it, where you -- I think, coming across with
crosscutting to make sure that all of those issues that
are impacted by the strategic initiatives are really
there. And I think the crosscutting approach is
probably the right approach to take.
DR. SUSSMAN: Thank you, Tom. I think that
may allay some of the Shelley's concerns about
articulating it, and, at the same time, keep me content
on the issue of the visibility of that kind of equity
question.
MS. ROW: Good.
MR. LAMBERT: It does that, and also allows
and the team there to move forward with a pretty active
schedule, from what I can see they just laid out, as
well.
DR. SUSSMAN: Well, let's -- if it's okay
with everybody, let's declare victory, in some sense,
on it, [inaudible] having reached that notion of a way
of, if you will, having it both ways, and get that
question out a bit, by Shelley and her group, and see
if we can move forward from there.
MS. ROW: Okay, thank you.
Transportation Legislation Reauthorization
DR. SUSSMAN: If everyone's okay with that, I
would like to turn it over to Bob Denaro, the vice-
chair of this Advisory Committee, who would like to
facilitate a discussion of transportation legislation
reauthorization. And let's see if we can move forward
productively on that.
MR. DENARO: Okay, thanks, Joe.
What I want to do -- and we do have a couple
of other presentations, so I think I'll cut this a
little bit short -- but, the intent of this discussion
is to provide some feedback to the JPO about the
reauthorization. And in your -- as you saw from my
note that I sent out in the book here, we had some
stakeholder input. So, what we'd like to do with the
committee is also provide input. And what we'll
probably do is provide it under the headings that they
have in that tab 9, there, so there's safety, mobility,
environment, and productivity.
So, let's do two things. I'd like to ask
that any of you who have some specific comments that
you think we should provide from the committee in each
of these areas; and then, secondly, I listed, what,
five questions in the e-mail I sent out, and we'll just
walk through those real quickly and just kind of get
your input on that.
What we'll do, then, is, Joe and I will take
the inputs that we get right now, and we'll also allow
you to send them later -- e-mail or whatever -- and
we'll put together a proposed input, then, from the
committee in each of these areas and send that out for
vetting with the rest of the committee.
So, to that end, let's just walk through
these one at a time.
The first area was safety. Does anybody want
to offer up some comments that you don't see covered in
here, or just something you think reflects our position
there?
DR. SUSSMAN: Are we referring, now, Bob, to
any piece of paper that we can look at or --
MR. DENARO: Well, I'm just looking at the
stakeholder report, in tab 9. So, we had a lot of
stakeholder input under these four headings, of safety,
mobility, environment, and productivity. And my
suggestion is to just walk through each one of those
and --
VOICE: Bob, I don't have a comment, I just
-- I've got a question, more. The International
Association of Chiefs of Police, has there been no
feedback from them at all, or are they not engaged any
more? What's the issue with that? Because I see
nothing back from them at all.
MS. ROW: That's probably -- we just did not
-- oh, no, we did capture -- I guess, we looked at it,
but didn't have anything -- oh, no, it's coming.
VOICE: Okay, all right. Thank you.
MR. FOXX: This is Al Foxx. I notice, from
the list, also, that the National Association of City
Transportation Officials are not included in there at
all. And these are transportation officials from major
cities around the U.S. I know they have a position
paper out. They've been working on the upcoming
authorization. Did you not get anything from them?
MS. ROW: We went out to the associations
that we were aware of that have been -- have
historically worked in this area, and that is
apparently not one that we went out to. Is National
Association -- which one is it?
MR. FOXX: I'm a member of the National
Association of City Transportation Officials.
MS. ROW: Okay.
MR. FOXX: NACTO is what it's called.
MS. ROW: Okay. All right. If you have
something you can share with us, Al, that would be
helpful.
MR. FOXX: Yeah, I have a position paper.
I'll send it your way.
MS. ROW: Okay, thank you.
MR. FOXX: All right.
MR. DENARO: And we're still open to comments
on the safety area. Does anyone have any specific
comments there?
MR. IWASAKI: This is Randy Iwasaki. APTA
doesn't have a position on safety?
MS. ROW: Now, we just summarized the input
from their paper, so maybe there was something --
MR. AUGUSTINE: [Inaudible.] There's
something there.
MS. ROW: Yeah.
MR. AUGUSTINE: "N/A" would be zero, so
that's --
MS. ROW: There's something, but, you know,
again, we just summarized the high points, and so,
apparently it was nothing that jumped out at us on that
one.
MR. IWASAKI: And then the other question is,
Where does transportation security or transit security
or transportation infrastructure security reside? Is
it in safety? And do we want to comment on that?
VOICE: That's a good question.
VOICE: I think, traditionally, Randy, it's
not going to be captured under safety. I think it
needs to have a particular area that -- there's a lot
of ITS technology being used for infrastructure
security these days, and transit security these days.
MR. IWASAKI: Yeah, I think 6 years ago this
wasn't an issue, versus today; you know, it's more and
more of an issue, right? I guess 6 years ago it was an
issue, but --
VOICE: Well, I think 6 years ago it got a
lot more of attention. It's always been an issue where
technology's been at play. But, probably more and more
recognition today, and more and more focus.
MR. REPLOGLE: Yeah, this is Michael
Replogle. I think it makes sense for us to weigh in,
in support of the use of ITS technologies to help
support automated enforcement of speed limits and
traffic enforcement devices, things like that, as a way
to both improve safety and to address other impacts of
transportation.
[Background flight announcement.]
VOICE: Hey, Bob, they weren't calling your
flight, were they?
MR. DENARO: Actually, no. I put my phone on
mute so you wouldn't have to listen to it, but --
unfortunately, I have to talk, here. No, I'm fine. My
flight's a little bit later. I just came to the
airport early so I could do this.
Okay, let's move on -- I think what we'll do
is -- like I said, leave it open to -- in fact, I'll
probably reach out and solicit comments in an e-mail,
but then Joe and I will put some proposals together on
here and send that out, with or without comments.
Mobility. Any comments from the committee on
the mobility area? Anything you feel is missing or we
should add, there?
DR. SUSSMAN: Are there other -- are there
[inaudible] not chime in on mobility, I guess would be
my question, in the same way that Randy wondered about
how APTA didn't respond to safety, I think was what he
said?
MR. DENARO: Well, I noticed a lot of that,
Joe, when I went through there, too. I mean, when
people are commenting on -- I was surprised at some of
the "N/As" in here. But, as Shelley said, we were just
summarizing what they had heard, and, you know, so they
didn't jump out, but --
MS. ROW: Just so you all know, what we did
is, we collected the -- anything we could find written
about reauthorization policies, positions, from these
organizations, and then summarized them into this
table. So, this is based on what we could find in
writing that these organizations have put out.
MR. DENARO: Okay. All right. Let me just
open it up to the other two areas, then. We've got
mobility, environment, and productivity. Any comments
from the committee, in these areas, about -- that you
feel is missing in [inaudible] emphasize?
DR. SUSSMAN: All I could comment is, it would have been interesting -- it would have been
premature, but it would have been interesting if we had
equity as a fifth column.
MR. DENARO: Right.
DR. SUSSMAN: But -- to see who saluted at
that and who did not -- but, that's water over the dam.
MR. DENARO: Yeah, Shelley mentioned a -- I
think, Shelley, you were talking about safety when you
said "applying equity to the safety goal," where
typically it's on luxury cars, not smaller cars. The
same thing, I think, goes for environment, when you
look at some advanced technologies that could provide
greatly enhanced fuel economy. Very often it's not the
people buying luxury cars who are focused most on that,
it's people buying small and midsized cars. And when
you look at the volumes of sales in these various
sizes, those are significant volumes in those cars.
So, there is a real need for a way to figure out to get
some of these technologies that can improve fuel
economy into small cars, as well.
MS. ROW: Bob, if my -- I might offer a
comment. The rest of the committee might not be aware.
We, at U.S. DOT, are not able to engage in a
substantive discussion with you on this subject, so
we're sitting to listen. But, what I can share with
you is just a little bit of, maybe, background about
legislation.
Legislation is an art form to write. What
you might do in your discussion today is to focus on
the basic principles that you would wish to see in the
program. And that's really the level of detail that
you need to engage in. You don't really want to get
into great detail about how a program would be
structured, but more the high-level principles --
funding levels, focus areas, that sort of thing -- that
you all would wish to see in a ITS program.
MR. DENARO: That's a good comment. Good
suggestion.
MR. IWASAKI: So, then, based on that,
Shelley, there -- this is Randy -- there should be some
kind of position on the use of ITS technologies to
enhance system performance to sync signals together and
do all these things to reduce greenhouse gases and
other things, and then maybe another topic for the
environment and sustainability, or you're making sure
that, whatever you do to the system, that there's --
resources are available for the next generation, right?
To continue --
MS. ROW: Yeah.
MR. IWASAKI: -- or somehow kind of get that
into the environment piece. Because a lot of this is
different. Each one of these boxes kind of comes at
the issue from a different angle.
MS. ROW: Yeah. And again, just to, maybe,
kind of help with the discussion, Randy, for example,
in our existing legislation -- there's a goal statement
in the existing legislation -- it's in one of your
tabs, as a matter of fact -- that basically says the
focus of the program should be on technologies to
enhance surface transportation for safety, mobility,
and the environment and productivity. So, you know, if
you all are happy with that kind of a focus, then maybe
you're happy.
VOICE: That's good.
MS. ROW: The other thing, the program is
currently not real clearly focused on research and
technology and evaluation -- technology transfer, I
mean, and evaluation. If you all have an opinion on
how that part of the program is focused, you might want
to say so.
MR. DENARO: It sounds like, Shelley, that
we're going to have to work this offline a little bit,
and, you know, maybe with the rest of the committee, as
well, to provide some input. So, we'll go ahead and do
that. You know, we still have a lot of input today.
Let me -- if there are no other comments in
these areas, there's nothing jumping out for anybody, I
do have -- I do want to get some opinions on the
specific questions I have in here, in the e-mail. And
the first one is the principle that Shelley presented
very early in the strategic plan, the focus of the
program being on research technology transfer
evaluation, rather than deployment. And it sounds to
me like that's what -- the direction we've been going,
and that makes sense. I just want to see if there's
any -- if there's agreement on that or any other
opinions about that.
VOICE: That's the first question on the e-
mail, right?
MR. DENARO: Yeah. So, the question is, Is
the focus of research technology transfer and
evaluation the right one for the JPO, and RITA in
general, as opposed to deployment -- a focus on
deployment?
MR. BELCHER: This is Scott. I think that
the JPO ought to be doing both, a little bit of both.
On -- in our reauthorization principles, we have a --
an initiative called Smart Cities Program, which would
be a large-scale deployment that'll be done in -- with
a focus on research, basically to try to deploy, in a
systemic way, a number of these technologies in a much
more in-depth way, to really take the data that's
necessary to see what will happen when we -- as we try
to deploy the technology nationwide. So, I think
there's -- I think part of it is a bit of terminology,
but I think we are at the point where a lot of this
technology needs to get more than transferred, but
really needs to be deployed.
MR. DENARO: Okay. All right. We'll
continue to flesh it out.
VOICE: I agree with Scott on that, Bob.
MR. DENARO: Okay. All right. The second
question was a role for the JPO in promoting
preliminary standards in order to -- well, for all the
good things that standards are for. Anyone have --
DR. SUSSMAN: Could you clarify, Bob -- this
is Joe -- what the adjective "preliminary" means in
this context?
MR. DENARO: Well, Shelley maybe can help me
here.
MS. ROW: Yeah.
MR. DENARO: But, my interpretation is that
the JPO is not a standards-setting organization, so
they don't develop the entire standard. So, at the
preliminary standard, they do the original work, but
then maybe it goes to an official standards
organization to be done.
Is that a good interpretation, Shelley?
MS. ROW: Well, actually -- I should have
provided you some more comments on this, Bob,
beforehand. I apologize.
The language that we currently have is that
we are -- we have a role in developing standards. We
do that through standards-development organizations.
MR. DENARO: Okay.
MS. ROW: We also have the authority right
now to develop and set, quote, "provisional standards."
So, we actually have the authority to set a standard
while it is in the process of being created through the
regular consensus standards-development process.
MR. DENARO: Oh, okay. Provisional standard,
okay.
MS. ROW: Uh-huh.
MR. DENARO: Okay. Any comments on that from
the committee?
VOICE: I think that's an important role, my
opinion.
VOICE: Agreed.
DR. SUSSMAN: Yeah, I do, too. I'm not a
standards expert. And going back to the [inaudible]
days of ITS, back in the '90s, I was totally bemused by
these very lengthy timeframes on standard-development,
having very little experience in the area, and it
turned out that, even the most conservative of the
people coming up with estimates turned out to be wrong.
[Laughter.]
DR. SUSSMAN: So, anything that advances
standards more quickly seems to me to be on the side of
the angels.
[Laughter.]
VOICE: Right.
VOICE: Right.
MR. DENARO: If I -- let me just move
quickly, in the interest of time, here. I had a
question, here -- and Shelley brought it up a couple of
times -- this question on VMT tolling. You know, major
change to the way funding is gathered. And is -- any
opinions on that? I -- I'll throw one comment. I do
see you're moving extremely aggressively in this
direction, and I assume that we -- DOT -- are watching
what they're doing and are learning from it. And it
does seem to have some attractive characteristics. It
-- does anyone have any strong opinions, on the
committee, on this type of tolling?
DR. SUSSMAN: Bob, this is Joe. I'm not
quite -- are you asking this in the context of the
committee advising on the importance of this concept?
I'm --
MR. DENARO: The advisability of this
concept.
DR. SUSSMAN: Yeah, well, my own -- my own
personal view would be, it's of vital importance that
-- and I personally believe it's the wave of the
future, the future -- how far out the future is, I'm
not sure. But, the idea that we're going to have this
more scalpel-like instrument for controlling traffic
flows, rather than the bludgeon-type instrument that we
call the gas tax, to say nothing of having [inaudible]
source of revenue for infrastructure, I believe it's
fundamental to the future of surface transportation in
this country.
VOICE: Right.
VOICE: But, I think the topic can be the
issue of tolling, in itself. You don't have to limit
it just to one brand of tolling. I think the concept
has to be that you've got that as one of the tools that
we can use in the future, whatever that may look like
in the future. So, don't draw a line in the sand when
you don't have to. But, clearly the issue of tolling
is something you've got to continue to consider.
MR. DENARO: Yeah, okay. Good comment.
DR. LUND: This is Adrian Lund. I would
point out that, in this area, I think we really run
into the crosscutting issue of equity, since a lot of
tolling, and especially in Europe, is being used to
limit access to various areas or various roadways --
MR. DENARO: Right.
DR. LUND: -- by charging, you know, very
high prices for rich people to drive luxury cars to
catch the bonus checks.
[Laughter.]
VOICE: Yeah, I think that was a comment that
was made initially when we had hot lanes and tolling on
HOV lanes. And I think that our studies have proven
that it actually isn't the rich that use hot lanes;
it's actually the soccer moms and dads who try to get
to pick up Junior on time. So, I think that notion has
been evolved through studies of various toll roads
throughout the United States.
DR. SUSSMAN: Yeah, I read a study, some
years ago, that working women were a major user of
looking at confiscatory childcare costs, if they were 4
minutes at the daycare center, and decided this was --
VOICE: [Inaudible.]
DR. SUSSMAN: -- [inaudible].
VOICE: I think the only point I'm trying to
make is, when you starting bringing it down to a
specific type of tolling is where you get the focused
conflict. I didn't -- the issue of tolling has to be
there, and should be there.
MS. ROW: And I --
MR. REPLOGLE: There's a role for -- the role
for the Joint Program Office is to make sure that
there's a technology platform that's open and
interoperable, and that can be deployed more
systematically.
VOICE: And, Bob, [inaudible] -- I apologize
-- I have to run to another meeting, so I'm going to
apologize. I have to bail out.
MR. DENARO: Fine, thanks.
VOICE: Thanks, Joe.
MR. DENARO: I think, in the interest of
time, I think we'll have to do some homework, here, and
provide it back to the committee to pull together
comments on this whole section. But, I'm just looking
at the clock, and we're running out of time, and I --
there's some important topics to come up yet. So,
let's just close off this discussion, and we'll do some
homework and provide some feedback later on, Joe.
MS. ROW: Okay. Thank you, Bob.
DR. SUSSMAN: Do you want to pass on question
4 and 5? Is that what you mean, Bob?
MR. DENARO: I'm going to pass on those, yes.
DR. SUSSMAN: Okay. Let's -- Shelley, in
that case, let's move it along. I have to get off
promptly at 4 o'clock, my time. That's 10 minutes from
now.
ITS America Annual Meeting
MS. ROW: Okay. I believe the next item is
to talk about the annual meeting.
Scott?
MR. BELCHER: Yeah, I'll forego the
presentation, in the interest of time.
This is, I think, a unique opportunity that
we have, in June. It's -- the meeting will be in Fort
Washington, Maryland, which is right across the river
from D.C. We'll have the entire space there. So, I
think it -- I think if you look at where we are with
the fiscal stimulus package, where we are with
authorizations, two topics that have taken up the 2
hours of time of this call, there's probably not a
better time to be having a national meeting than now.
Anyway, we've got -- we're the only transportation
organization that'll have a national meeting in D.C.
this summer. So, I think this is a great opportunity.
It's a great opportunity to push for ITS solutions.
And that's what we intend to do.
The Secretary has indicated his interest in
being the keynote speaker, and we're working with this
staff to schedule that. I think, you know, as the
modal administrators get named, we'll invite them, as
well. We've got a number of key Congressman and
Senators who are -- who have agreed to participate.
They were very interested in what's going on. We'll be
having -- in fact, we'll be having a hearing on the
vehicle mile travel tax, as well. There will be
demonstrations -- not as exhaustive as in New York, but
we'll still have a lot going on there, and there will
be a lot of -- we've had over 140 vendors who have
signed up to exhibit, and over 100 educational
sessions.
So, I think this is a great opportunity to be
unique -- again, because it is in Washington, and given
the timing. And so, you know, I hope that the members
of the Advisory Committee will be there, and will bring
their staffs. And, Shelley, if you -- if you're
interested, or if the Advisory Committee is interested,
we -- you know, we could have a meeting there or we
could, you know, do a tour of the exhibit hall, as we
did in the last meeting.
MS. ROW: Yes.
MR. BELCHER: But, that's just my pitch for
the meeting.
MS. ROW: And, Scott, thank you for bringing
that up. That was one of the things that Joe and Bob
and I had talked about we wanted to get a sense from
the committee. At the World Congress in New York, we
did organize a tour of the -- "we" -- Scott and his
staff, organized a tour of the exhibit hall, that was
just excellent. My only regret is that there were so
few of us who got to participate. And we wanted to see
if there was a desire of doing that again. The only
caveat here that I think is unfortunate timing is that,
almost all but one of you, your terms expire July the
6th, so shortly after the meeting. Nonetheless, if
you're interested in doing a tour, we will happily work
with Scott to organize it.
DR. SUSSMAN: Well, I'll still be -- we'll
still be on the advisory board at the time of the
meeting.
MS. ROW: That is correct.
DR. SUSSMAN: The meeting is in early June,
and we don't expire until July. Is -- do I have that
right?
MS. ROW: Yes, I'm hoping you all expire much
later than that, but your terms expire in July.
[Laughter.]
DR. SUSSMAN: Yeah. Right.
VOICE: Yeah, I think it -- a tour would be
interesting.
DR. SUSSMAN: We've --
MS. ROW: Joe --
DR. SUSSMAN: -- got a quorum, I would -- I
would think so. It -- a lot of effort went in on the
World Congress, and I think there were only -- Scott,
do you remember -- perhaps four of us?
MS. ROW: Four of us.
MR. BELCHER: Yeah, there -- yeah, there
were.
MS. ROW: Well, Joe, if I might offer a
suggestion, we can put out an electronic poll to the
Advisory Committee members to see who expects to be
there on which days, and if they are interested in
participating in a tour of the exhibit hall.
MR. FOXX: This is Al Foxx. I'll be
interested, since you're located right close -- right
next door to me. Baltimore.
DR. SUSSMAN: The dates are the 1st through
the 3rd? Is that right?
MR. BELCHER: Yeah. Yeah, and the 3rd is
actually the day that'll spent primarily on Capitol
Hill, with meetings with your respective Members of
Congress -- and will, in fact. And the -- we'll end
the annual meeting with a reception in the Capitol
Visitors Center and -- the new Capitol Visitors Center,
which is a pretty interesting place, if you haven't
been there yet.
MS. ROW: So, the opportunities for tours
would be on Monday or Tuesday, Scott, is that correct?
MR. BELCHER: That's correct.
MS. ROW: Okay.
DR. SUSSMAN: Are there any events, Scott, on
the Sunday or -- some welcoming stuff, or what?
MR. BELCHER: No, we're starting on Monday.
We're -- you know, we've got it focused on the three
days that we're there.
DR. SUSSMAN: And that's -- and the exhibit
area opens first thing Monday morning?
MR. BELCHER: I don't have the -- I don't
have it in front of me, but I think it does. I don't
have the -- it in front of me.
MS. ROW: We're looking, Scott. We'll see if
we can find it.
MR. BELCHER: Yeah, I'm just --
DR. SUSSMAN: Well, I would certainly say
that the people who were singled out to talk to the
committee, as they toured around, really seemed quite
energized by it. We all felt that we got some very
special attention from these folks who had been
standing there for many days, seeing all the visiting
firemen come through.
MS. ROW: Yes, Joe, it opens at noon on
Monday.
DR. SUSSMAN: Noon on Monday, okay.
MS. ROW: Well, Joe, do you want us to put
out a solicitation to the members and see about
interest?
DR. SUSSMAN: That's a good idea, Shelley.
MS. ROW: Okay, will do.
U.S. DOT ITS Program Governance
DR. SUSSMAN: Well, we have about 5 minutes.
I'm looking at the rest of the agenda. The one that --
the item that sort of catches my eye is this DOT ITS
Program Governance, which sounds as though it could
potentially be meaty. Perhaps, Shelley, you could just
say a sentence or two about what that involves.
MS. ROW: Yes. I'd be happy to. And I'm --
I alluded to it previously.
As you all know, this office, ITS Program
Office, is intended to work multimodally and
collaboratively. We have, historically, done that with
the various modes in U.S. DOT. We have had no written
processes or procedures, roles, responsibilities that
govern the interaction. We've just been doing it kind
of the way we've always done it. So, we have now
written a charter for how the modes are going to work
together, and three process documents, there alluded to
earlier as Annex A, B, and C. We are also writing a
charter for what we call the Management Council -- that
is, the administrator level of coordination for the
program.
While that may seem like a lot of bureaucracy
and paperwork, I can assure you it is very essential to
the smoother, uninterrupted governance of the program
and clarity of interaction between us, the JPO, and the
modes, who actually execute most of the program. We
have drafts of all those documents. We expect to
finalize them in the month of April or early May. And
I'm personally very pleased with the progress we've
made in that area.
DR. SUSSMAN: Well, is this something you're
looking for any input or support or anything from this
committee?
MS. ROW: No, frankly, we had not. I'm happy
to share the documents with you. They specifically
pertain to how the modes are going to work together
inside the building.
DR. SUSSMAN: Well, that -- you know, that
potentially has some meat. We know, in the past, the
-- some of the headknocking that's gone on among the
modes that may have been not fully productive for the
ITS program or generally speaking. So, I hope what you
proposed will make those interactions smoother and more
collegial, shall I say, than they've generally been.
MS. ROW: Yes, I am very pleased with how it
has progressed and the level of cooperation we've had
in the creation of them. I'm happy to share them with
you once we get them to a consensus stage. I'm happy
to share them with you anyway, but it's probably more
productive if you let us complete them. They're almost
done anyway.
Summary and Wrap-up
DR. SUSSMAN: Okay. We're down to about a
minute. We -- I'll wrap up simply by saying I thought
this was a productive meeting. I appreciate people
taking a hunk out of their business day to participate
in this.
We -- Shelley and I and Bob should perhaps
talk offline of the optimal timing of the next face-to-
face meeting. And, of course, there is, at least in
principle, the possibility of being able to do it at
the ITS America meeting, although, frankly, I think the
practicalities of getting that done are kind of
daunting. But, Shelley, Bob, and I can talk about when
we need [inaudible] as to contribute as best we can to
the ongoing program.
Shelley, is that okay with you, that we don't
work to set it right now?
MS. ROW: Yes, I think that's entirely
appropriate.
And I do just need to point that if the next
meeting is after early July, then we are, by law,
required to have a new committee appointed. So, I
don't know what the makeup of the committee will be, at
that point. It is entirely at the discretion of the
Secretary's office to appoint the committee members.
So, we have no knowledge of that. We're working the
process now, are just starting on it, so we'll have to
see what the timing looks like.
DR. SUSSMAN: Okay, well, we'll have to
discuss the logistics of all this.
But, thanks, to the JPO folks. I hope we
kept the audience down there suitably entertained, and
we -- let -- I think we can sign off now and say thank
you, again, to all the committee members for their
participation.
Bob, you'd better go catch your plane.
We'll all talk again soon, I am sure. Any
closing comment, Shelley?
MS. ROW: No, just our thanks, as well, for
everyone's time. We appreciate the busy schedules you
all have. So, thank you for participating with us.
Even though it's less than ideal to be on a phone, I
think you all did a great job.
DR. SUSSMAN: Okay. Thanks, and we'll be in
further touch. Thanks a lot.
[Whereupon, at 4:00 p.m., the meeting was adjourned.]
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