[NIFL-ESL:10057] RE: adult ed ESL requirements

From: Laurie Ketzenberg (lketzenberg@resolutionpictures.com)
Date: Mon Mar 15 2004 - 20:49:59 EST


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The ERIC Digests are very informative and provide practical applications in
adult ESL.  Providing In-Services wherein faculty can share what they've
gleaned from assigned readings is a great way for teachers to learn by
connecting theory w/practice.  There are some great digests to choose from.

Laurie

> From: Valley Peters <valleydemt@yahoo.com>
> Reply-To: nifl-esl@nifl.gov
> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 15:27:47 -0500 (EST)
> To: Multiple recipients of list <nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov>
> Subject: [NIFL-ESL:10049] RE: adult ed ESL requirements
> 
> I think we've hit on an extremely important topic -
> training.  In our small community we don't find many
> people with experience in teaching ESL to adults. We
> do a lot of professional development with our
> teachers, mostly through readings and reflective
> journaling.  I feel this isn't enough and I am
> interested, Ujwala (and anyone else,) how you would
> characterize specific, systematic ESOL training.  What
> does that really look like? Can you expand on that a
> bit?
> 
> Thank you for sharing your knowledge and experiences,
> Valley Peters
> Adult Program Coordinator
> Teton Literacy Program
> 
> --- Ujwala Samant <lalumineuse@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Susan,
>> 
>> I completely agree that there needs to be specific,
>> systematic ESOL training.
>> 
>> regards
>> Ujwala
>> 
>> --- Susan Ryan <susanefl@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> Diane--I think there should be specific ESL
>>> training. I don't think teaching
>>> ESL is like teaching English to English speakers
>> as
>>> an academic subject at
>>> all. Why would someone who wants to teach it
>> object
>>> to getting some
>>> training? You wouldn't go and teach another
>> subject
>>> without qualification.
>>> Nor would you go into another field of work
>> without
>>> specific training, would
>>> you?
>>> Susan
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> From: "Pecoraro, Diane"
>>> <Diane.Pecoraro@state.mn.us>
>>>> Reply-To: nifl-esl@nifl.gov
>>>> To: Multiple recipients of list
>>> <nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov>
>>>> Subject: [NIFL-ESL:10026] RE: adult ed ESL
>>> requirements
>>>> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 15:30:36 -0500 (EST)
>>>> 
>>>> This has been an interesting discussion about
>> what
>>> requirements ABE
>>>> teachers
>>>> in school districts and community-based
>>> organizations( CBO's) should have.
>>>> 
>>>> I will add another layer to the question:  What
>>> would you out there
>>>> recommend as qualifications for teachers who are
>>> not licensed and have no
>>>> specific ESL academic training who want to teach?
>>>> 
>>>> .  We know that often unlicensed teachers may be
>>> successful in the
>>>> classroom, but what kinds of experience will tell
>>> us that?
>>>> 
>>>> Diane Pecoraro
>>>> MN Department of Education
>>>> 1500 Highway 36 West
>>>> Roseville, MN 55113
>>>> 651 582-8424
>>>> diane.pecoraro@state.mn.us
>>>> Fax. 651 634-5154
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From:  ttweeton@comcast.net
>>> [mailto:ttweeton@comcast.net]
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 11:31 AM
>>>> To: Multiple recipients of list
>>>> Subject: [NIFL-ESL:10023] RE: adult ed ESL
>>> requirements
>>>> 
>>>> Yvonne says" I am
>>>> a strong proponent of hiring the best candidates
>>> for the job and not being
>>>> constrained by artificial measures such as
>>> irrelevant teaching
>>>> certificates."
>>>> Yvonne Lerew
>>>> 
>>>> Yvonne I have to take issue with you on the
>> subject
>>> of having or not having
>>>> a teaching certificate. Know HOW to teach and
>> WHAT
>>> to teach, with what
>>>> method makes all the difference in  helping
>>> students to learn effectively
>>>> and well and NOT haphadzardly without  good
>>> direction. I see this
>>>> difference all the time with my colleagues .
>> There
>>> simply is a difference
>>>> between those who have been well trained and
>> those 
>>> who are  still in the
>>>> process of getting their certificates here in
>>> Florida. Having a natural
>>>> talent to relate well to the students is a gift
>> and
>>> it helps but just isn't
>>>> the whole story when it comes to effective
>>> teaching.
>>>> Tanya Tweeton
>>>> ESOL and GED programs
>>>> Fort Lauderdale, Florida
>>>>> My program requires the same - a BA and
>> relevant
>>> cross-cultural/ESL/etc.
>>>>> experience.  We have some WONDERFUL teachers
>> who
>>> we would not have been
>>>>> able to hire had there been a requirement been
>> a
>>> K-12 teacher
>>>>> certificate.  One has a BA in English and 4
>>> years experience teaching in
>>>>> Japan and China.  One has a BA in English and
>>> History and volunteered
>>>> both
>>>> 
>>>>> with our program and other adult literacy
>>> programs prior to being
>>>>> hired.  Another is a burned-out nurse,
>>> volunteered with our program,
>>>>> traveled to Bosnia, and is one of the best
>>> beginning level teachers I
>>>> have
>>>> 
>>>>> seen.  Of course we do have a few teachers who
>>> are certified k-12
>>>> teachers,
>>>>> however it is not the certification that makes
>>> them a strong teacher.  I
>>>> am
>>>>> a strong proponent of hiring the best
>> candidates
>>> for the job and not
>>>> being
>>>> 
>>>>> constrained by artificial measures such as
>>> irrelevant teaching
>>>> certificates.
>>>>> Yvonne Lerew
>>>>> Education Program Coordinator
>>>>> Lutheran Social Services of SD
>>>>> Refugee and Immigration Programs
>>>>> At 02:26 PM 3/6/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>>>>>> My 2 cents.  Our department requires a B.A.,
>>> preferably in Education or
>>>>>> related field, and much attention/preference
>>> given to
>>>>>> teaching/multicultural/ESL/adult
>> ed./volunteer/
>>> etc/etc experience.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Mona Curtis
>>>>>> ESL Coordinator
>>>>>> Treasure Valley Community College
>>>>>> 650 College Blvd.
>>>>>> Ontario, OR 97914
>>>>>> www.tvcc.cc
>>>>>> 541-881-8822 x 316
>>>>>> fax 541-881-2747
>>>>>>>>> lalumineuse@yahoo.com 03/04/04 01:21 AM
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> CBO= Community based organisation.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> In NJ, at least last year when I lived there,
>>> all one
>>>>>> needed was a teaching certification. In any
>>> subject.
>>>>>> When we observed classes across NJ, not all
>>> teachers
>>>>>> entered their profession (teaching adult
>> ESOL)
>>> with
>>>>>> any background in ESOL or teaching adults.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I am glad to hear that things have changed.
>> We
>>> will
>>>>>> perhaps not see any more Kindergarten
>> teachers
>>>>>> speaking loudly, showing flashcards to 60
>> year
>>> olds.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> regards,
>>>>>> Ujwala Samant
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> --- Susan Ryan <susanefl@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> What are CBO's?
>>>>>>> Susan
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> From: bodman@ucc.edu
>>>>>>>> Reply-To: nifl-esl@nifl.gov
>>>>>>>> To: Multiple recipients of list
>>>>>>> <nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov>
>>>>>>>> Subject: [NIFL-ESL:9979] RE: adult ed ESL
>>>>>>> requirements
>> 
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