Return-Path: <nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov> Received: from literacy (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by literacy.nifl.gov (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id i2G1nxI22074; Mon, 15 Mar 2004 20:49:59 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 20:49:59 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <BC7BC634.9CAD%lketzenberg@resolutionpictures.com> Errors-To: listowner@literacy.nifl.gov Reply-To: nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov Originator: nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov Sender: nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov Precedence: bulk From: Laurie Ketzenberg <lketzenberg@resolutionpictures.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov> Subject: [NIFL-ESL:10057] RE: adult ed ESL requirements X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Status: O Content-Length: 6986 Lines: 240 The ERIC Digests are very informative and provide practical applications in adult ESL. Providing In-Services wherein faculty can share what they've gleaned from assigned readings is a great way for teachers to learn by connecting theory w/practice. There are some great digests to choose from. Laurie > From: Valley Peters <valleydemt@yahoo.com> > Reply-To: nifl-esl@nifl.gov > Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 15:27:47 -0500 (EST) > To: Multiple recipients of list <nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov> > Subject: [NIFL-ESL:10049] RE: adult ed ESL requirements > > I think we've hit on an extremely important topic - > training. In our small community we don't find many > people with experience in teaching ESL to adults. We > do a lot of professional development with our > teachers, mostly through readings and reflective > journaling. I feel this isn't enough and I am > interested, Ujwala (and anyone else,) how you would > characterize specific, systematic ESOL training. What > does that really look like? Can you expand on that a > bit? > > Thank you for sharing your knowledge and experiences, > Valley Peters > Adult Program Coordinator > Teton Literacy Program > > --- Ujwala Samant <lalumineuse@yahoo.com> wrote: >> Susan, >> >> I completely agree that there needs to be specific, >> systematic ESOL training. >> >> regards >> Ujwala >> >> --- Susan Ryan <susanefl@hotmail.com> wrote: >>> Diane--I think there should be specific ESL >>> training. I don't think teaching >>> ESL is like teaching English to English speakers >> as >>> an academic subject at >>> all. Why would someone who wants to teach it >> object >>> to getting some >>> training? You wouldn't go and teach another >> subject >>> without qualification. >>> Nor would you go into another field of work >> without >>> specific training, would >>> you? >>> Susan >>> >>> >>>> From: "Pecoraro, Diane" >>> <Diane.Pecoraro@state.mn.us> >>>> Reply-To: nifl-esl@nifl.gov >>>> To: Multiple recipients of list >>> <nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov> >>>> Subject: [NIFL-ESL:10026] RE: adult ed ESL >>> requirements >>>> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 15:30:36 -0500 (EST) >>>> >>>> This has been an interesting discussion about >> what >>> requirements ABE >>>> teachers >>>> in school districts and community-based >>> organizations( CBO's) should have. >>>> >>>> I will add another layer to the question: What >>> would you out there >>>> recommend as qualifications for teachers who are >>> not licensed and have no >>>> specific ESL academic training who want to teach? >>>> >>>> . We know that often unlicensed teachers may be >>> successful in the >>>> classroom, but what kinds of experience will tell >>> us that? >>>> >>>> Diane Pecoraro >>>> MN Department of Education >>>> 1500 Highway 36 West >>>> Roseville, MN 55113 >>>> 651 582-8424 >>>> diane.pecoraro@state.mn.us >>>> Fax. 651 634-5154 >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: ttweeton@comcast.net >>> [mailto:ttweeton@comcast.net] >>>> Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 11:31 AM >>>> To: Multiple recipients of list >>>> Subject: [NIFL-ESL:10023] RE: adult ed ESL >>> requirements >>>> >>>> Yvonne says" I am >>>> a strong proponent of hiring the best candidates >>> for the job and not being >>>> constrained by artificial measures such as >>> irrelevant teaching >>>> certificates." >>>> Yvonne Lerew >>>> >>>> Yvonne I have to take issue with you on the >> subject >>> of having or not having >>>> a teaching certificate. Know HOW to teach and >> WHAT >>> to teach, with what >>>> method makes all the difference in helping >>> students to learn effectively >>>> and well and NOT haphadzardly without good >>> direction. I see this >>>> difference all the time with my colleagues . >> There >>> simply is a difference >>>> between those who have been well trained and >> those >>> who are still in the >>>> process of getting their certificates here in >>> Florida. Having a natural >>>> talent to relate well to the students is a gift >> and >>> it helps but just isn't >>>> the whole story when it comes to effective >>> teaching. >>>> Tanya Tweeton >>>> ESOL and GED programs >>>> Fort Lauderdale, Florida >>>>> My program requires the same - a BA and >> relevant >>> cross-cultural/ESL/etc. >>>>> experience. We have some WONDERFUL teachers >> who >>> we would not have been >>>>> able to hire had there been a requirement been >> a >>> K-12 teacher >>>>> certificate. One has a BA in English and 4 >>> years experience teaching in >>>>> Japan and China. One has a BA in English and >>> History and volunteered >>>> both >>>> >>>>> with our program and other adult literacy >>> programs prior to being >>>>> hired. Another is a burned-out nurse, >>> volunteered with our program, >>>>> traveled to Bosnia, and is one of the best >>> beginning level teachers I >>>> have >>>> >>>>> seen. Of course we do have a few teachers who >>> are certified k-12 >>>> teachers, >>>>> however it is not the certification that makes >>> them a strong teacher. I >>>> am >>>>> a strong proponent of hiring the best >> candidates >>> for the job and not >>>> being >>>> >>>>> constrained by artificial measures such as >>> irrelevant teaching >>>> certificates. >>>>> Yvonne Lerew >>>>> Education Program Coordinator >>>>> Lutheran Social Services of SD >>>>> Refugee and Immigration Programs >>>>> At 02:26 PM 3/6/2004 -0500, you wrote: >>>>>> My 2 cents. Our department requires a B.A., >>> preferably in Education or >>>>>> related field, and much attention/preference >>> given to >>>>>> teaching/multicultural/ESL/adult >> ed./volunteer/ >>> etc/etc experience. >>>>>> >>>>>> Mona Curtis >>>>>> ESL Coordinator >>>>>> Treasure Valley Community College >>>>>> 650 College Blvd. >>>>>> Ontario, OR 97914 >>>>>> www.tvcc.cc >>>>>> 541-881-8822 x 316 >>>>>> fax 541-881-2747 >>>>>>>>> lalumineuse@yahoo.com 03/04/04 01:21 AM >>>>>> >>>>>> CBO= Community based organisation. >>>>>> >>>>>> In NJ, at least last year when I lived there, >>> all one >>>>>> needed was a teaching certification. In any >>> subject. >>>>>> When we observed classes across NJ, not all >>> teachers >>>>>> entered their profession (teaching adult >> ESOL) >>> with >>>>>> any background in ESOL or teaching adults. >>>>>> >>>>>> I am glad to hear that things have changed. >> We >>> will >>>>>> perhaps not see any more Kindergarten >> teachers >>>>>> speaking loudly, showing flashcards to 60 >> year >>> olds. >>>>>> >>>>>> regards, >>>>>> Ujwala Samant >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> --- Susan Ryan <susanefl@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> What are CBO's? >>>>>>> Susan >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> From: bodman@ucc.edu >>>>>>>> Reply-To: nifl-esl@nifl.gov >>>>>>>> To: Multiple recipients of list >>>>>>> <nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov> >>>>>>>> Subject: [NIFL-ESL:9979] RE: adult ed ESL >>>>>>> requirements >> > === message truncated === > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam > http://mail.yahoo.com
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