[NIFL-ESL:10055] RE: adult ed ESL requirements

From: John Lyons (johnlyons@nmic.org)
Date: Mon Mar 15 2004 - 19:53:00 EST


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-----Original Message-----
From: nifl-esl@nifl.gov [mailto:nifl-esl@nifl.gov] On Behalf Of Valley
Peters
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 3:28 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list
Subject: [NIFL-ESL:10049] RE: adult ed ESL requirements


I think we've hit on an extremely important topic -
training.  In our small community we don't find many
people with experience in teaching ESL to adults. We
do a lot of professional development with our
teachers, mostly through readings and reflective
journaling.  I feel this isn't enough and I am
interested, Ujwala (and anyone else,) how you would characterize
specific, systematic ESOL training.  What does that really look like?
Can you expand on that a bit?

Thank you for sharing your knowledge and experiences,
Valley Peters
Adult Program Coordinator
Teton Literacy Program

--- Ujwala Samant <lalumineuse@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Susan,
> 
> I completely agree that there needs to be specific, systematic ESOL 
> training.
> 
> regards
> Ujwala
> 
> --- Susan Ryan <susanefl@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Diane--I think there should be specific ESL
> > training. I don't think teaching
> > ESL is like teaching English to English speakers
> as
> > an academic subject at
> > all. Why would someone who wants to teach it
> object
> > to getting some
> > training? You wouldn't go and teach another
> subject
> > without qualification.
> > Nor would you go into another field of work
> without
> > specific training, would
> > you?
> > Susan
> > 
> > 
> > >From: "Pecoraro, Diane"
> > <Diane.Pecoraro@state.mn.us>
> > >Reply-To: nifl-esl@nifl.gov
> > >To: Multiple recipients of list
> > <nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov>
> > >Subject: [NIFL-ESL:10026] RE: adult ed ESL
> > requirements
> > >Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 15:30:36 -0500 (EST)
> > >
> > >This has been an interesting discussion about
> what
> > requirements ABE
> > >teachers
> > >in school districts and community-based
> > organizations( CBO's) should have.
> > >
> > >I will add another layer to the question:  What
> > would you out there
> > >recommend as qualifications for teachers who are
> > not licensed and have no
> > >specific ESL academic training who want to teach?
> > >
> > >.  We know that often unlicensed teachers may be
> > successful in the
> > >classroom, but what kinds of experience will tell
> > us that?
> > >
> > >Diane Pecoraro
> > >MN Department of Education
> > >1500 Highway 36 West
> > >Roseville, MN 55113
> > >651 582-8424
> > >diane.pecoraro@state.mn.us
> > >Fax. 651 634-5154
> > >
> > >  -----Original Message-----
> > >From: 	ttweeton@comcast.net
> > [mailto:ttweeton@comcast.net]
> > >Sent:	Friday, March 12, 2004 11:31 AM
> > >To:	Multiple recipients of list
> > >Subject:	[NIFL-ESL:10023] RE: adult ed ESL
> > requirements
> > >
> > >  Yvonne says" I am
> > >a strong proponent of hiring the best candidates
> > for the job and not being
> > >constrained by artificial measures such as
> > irrelevant teaching
> > >certificates."
> > >Yvonne Lerew
> > >
> > >Yvonne I have to take issue with you on the
> subject
> > of having or not having
> > >a teaching certificate. Know HOW to teach and
> WHAT
> > to teach, with what
> > >method makes all the difference in  helping
> > students to learn effectively
> > >and well and NOT haphadzardly without  good
> > direction. I see this
> > >difference all the time with my colleagues .
> There
> > simply is a difference
> > >between those who have been well trained and
> those
> > who are  still in the
> > >process of getting their certificates here in
> > Florida. Having a natural
> > >talent to relate well to the students is a gift
> and
> > it helps but just isn't
> > >the whole story when it comes to effective
> > teaching.
> > >Tanya Tweeton
> > >ESOL and GED programs
> > >Fort Lauderdale, Florida
> > > > My program requires the same - a BA and
> relevant
> > cross-cultural/ESL/etc.
> > > > experience.  We have some WONDERFUL teachers
> who
> > we would not have been
> > > > able to hire had there been a requirement been
> a
> > K-12 teacher
> > > > certificate.  One has a BA in English and 4
> > years experience teaching in
> > > > Japan and China.  One has a BA in English and
> > History and volunteered
> > >both
> > >
> > > > with our program and other adult literacy
> > programs prior to being
> > > > hired.  Another is a burned-out nurse,
> > volunteered with our program,
> > > > traveled to Bosnia, and is one of the best
> > beginning level teachers I
> > >have
> > >
> > > > seen.  Of course we do have a few teachers who
> > are certified k-12
> > >teachers,
> > > > however it is not the certification that makes
> > them a strong teacher.  I
> > >am
> > > > a strong proponent of hiring the best
> candidates
> > for the job and not
> > >being
> > >
> > > > constrained by artificial measures such as
> > irrelevant teaching
> > >certificates.
> > > > Yvonne Lerew
> > > > Education Program Coordinator
> > > > Lutheran Social Services of SD
> > > > Refugee and Immigration Programs
> > > > At 02:26 PM 3/6/2004 -0500, you wrote:
> > > > >My 2 cents.  Our department requires a B.A.,
> > preferably in Education or
> > > > >related field, and much attention/preference
> > given to
> > > > >teaching/multicultural/ESL/adult
> ed./volunteer/
> > etc/etc experience.
> > > > >
> > > > >Mona Curtis
> > > > >ESL Coordinator
> > > > >Treasure Valley Community College
> > > > >650 College Blvd.
> > > > >Ontario, OR 97914
> > > > >www.tvcc.cc
> > > > >541-881-8822 x 316
> > > > >fax 541-881-2747
> > > > > >>> lalumineuse@yahoo.com 03/04/04 01:21 AM
> > >>>
> > > > >CBO= Community based organisation.
> > > > >
> > > > >In NJ, at least last year when I lived there,
> > all one
> > > > >needed was a teaching certification. In any
> > subject.
> > > > >When we observed classes across NJ, not all
> > teachers
> > > > >entered their profession (teaching adult
> ESOL)
> > with
> > > > >any background in ESOL or teaching adults.
> > > > >
> > > > >I am glad to hear that things have changed.
> We
> > will
> > > > >perhaps not see any more Kindergarten
> teachers
> > > > >speaking loudly, showing flashcards to 60
> year
> > olds.
> > > > >
> > > > >regards,
> > > > >Ujwala Samant
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >--- Susan Ryan <susanefl@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > What are CBO's?
> > > > > > Susan
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >From: bodman@ucc.edu
> > > > > > >Reply-To: nifl-esl@nifl.gov
> > > > > > >To: Multiple recipients of list
> > > > > > <nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov>
> > > > > > >Subject: [NIFL-ESL:9979] RE: adult ed ESL
> > > > > > requirements
> 
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