I've never heard of the ESL test as part of the Spanish GED.  Can you
provide more information?

 

Elaine Moyer 
Director of Literacy Programs 
610-372-4721 X5120 

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The English as a Second Language test as a part of the Spanish version
of the GED tests helps our students obtain jobs. The English as a Second
Language test is optional. The transcript shows a sixth subject.

Carol Allen 
Career Readiness Certification Director
Rowan Cabarrus Community College
704-216-7210 office
704-202-7065 cell



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Looks like this is a good topic to discuss.  Now that I have read some
other responses, I am curious to go out there and talk to more ESL
learners and see if they had the same thoughts my one student did.


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Nathanson/nathansonaw/O/VCU
Sent: Tue 1/15/2008 9:23 AM
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Subject: [Workplace 1140]  GED in English

Good Morning All,

To clarify, I was not saying that I personally value education
credentials
in another language any less (I do not), only that in the United States
labor market a high importance is attached to English fluency.  In my
experience, ESOL learners usually want to obtain a GED in English
anyway.
Those that need to forge ahead by taking the GED  in another language
and
being done with it should do so obviously.

Adam
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Adam Nathanson
Financial Literacy Project Coordinator
Virginia Commonwealth University
Division of Community Engagement
Mary & Frances Youth Center. Rm. 112
120 South Linden Street, Box 843062
Richmond, Virginia 23284-3062

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If the level of knowledge is the same, should the language make a
difference? My husband came to the US as a 13 year old boy. He only
learned English as a secondary school student, yet earned a high school
diploma, two college degrees and completed coursework for his PhD. Does
it
matter he still computes math in Spanish? The skills are the same.

If the worker can communicate in the language used at work, I do not
think
they should be discriminated against because the GED is in another
language.

Vicky Lichty
Coordinator/Move Up
Reading Area Community College


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Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 11:31 AM
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Soon GED certificates will specify whether learners achieved their
diplomas in English, French or Spanish.  Obviously, in the  United
States
the English one will be more valued by employers and educational
institutions.  So I think that whatever one's native language is, here
in
the U.S. it's best to shoot for a GED in English.
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Adam Nathanson
Financial Literacy Project Coordinator
Virginia Commonwealth University
Division of Community Engagement
Mary & Frances Youth Center. Rm. 112
120 South Linden Street, Box 843062
Richmond, Virginia 23284-3062

(804) 828-7126 p / (804) 827-1739 f
nathansonaw at vcu.edu
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I just wanted to share something interesting I recently heard from an
ESL
learner.  She said when she went for her GED test they offered to give
her
the Spanish version and she said no.  Her reason was that she wasn?t
confident that whoever may have translated/created the Spanish version
would do it properly and she felt if she took the test in English she
would know for sure what the questions asked.  She did very well on her
test and continues to work on her English skills almost as a hobby.  So,
it?s always important to think about the resources we use and the
translations that might occur.  There are always different dialects in
very language that can confuse some learners.
 
Chrissie Klinger
"Doing things the same way and expecting a different result is a sign of
insanity"-Albert Einstein
 



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Subject: [Workplace 1128] dual language programs
 

Terry and Everyone,

Dual language programming sounds very exciting.  I have always wanted to
try English/Spanish GED classes towards learners achieving GEDs in
English.  The opportunity to provide occasional clarification in Spanish
for high-level learners ESOL learners pursuing English GEDs would be
great.  I also like the emphasizing your work on vocational opportunity
for those who are literate in two or more languages with English being
one.  

I find that sometimes literacy in the person's native language is not up
to speed for the workplace/professional environment, so in order to use
the other language(s) as a job market selling point, some adults need to
do a little supplementary work in their native languages.

Thinking small, maybe some of this could be initially addressed as
skills
shares at the community level with houses of worship and rec centers.
Native English speakers could learn Arabic, Korean, or Spanish while
ESOL
learners acquired English from them.  Of course that's probably not up
to
snuff for vocational/professional demands, but it's a start.  Perhaps it
already exists?  There are probably lots of basic toolkits for learning
business level languages.

Adam
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Adam Nathanson
Financial Literacy Project Coordinator
Virginia Commonwealth University
Division of Community Engagement
Mary & Frances Youth Center. Rm. 112
120 South Linden Street, Box 843062
Richmond, Virginia 23284-3062

(804) 828-7126 p / (804) 827-1739 f
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Please welcome a new member to the Workplace Literacy Discussion List.
Do
any of you have information you could share with Terry about dual
language
workplace literacy programs?







I?m Terry Shearer.  I am an Adult Education Specialist for a regional
education center.  I have been in the field of education for 30 years.
I
have developed and taught workplace programs mostly in the Houston area.

I joined the Workplace Literacy discussion list because I am very
interested in developing dual language programs that develop work skills
in two languages.  The difference between Bilingual Vocational Programs
and Dual Language Vocational Programs is that the student?s language
skills are developed as a vocational skill and not just used to transfer
skills to an English speaking environment.  

I coordinated a program like this from 1995 to 1998 when funding (Carl
Perkins) ran out for this demonstration project.  The project was able
to
place many students because business and industry has a growing need for
workers with bilingual skills.  I have been researching dual language
programs in Europe that are funded by the European Union.  I would
welcome
any information about dual language programs in the US.  








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