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[Assessment 1858] Re: [EnglishLanguage 4210] Re: CTB McGraw-Hill's Terra Nova (clarificiation)

Combs, Kay

Kay.Combs at scott.kyschools.us
Fri May 8 13:08:25 EDT 2009


The BEST Literacy may not be the best tool to use because the highest
level of ESOL learners could essentially "test" out of this assessment.
I believe the CASAS would be more appropriate for these learners.



Kay Combs

Community Education Director

Center for Lifelong Learning

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Georgetown, KY 40324

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educational opportunities for individuals and families to achieve
success and build a strong community.



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On Behalf Of Piracha, Janet
Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 12:57 PM
To: The Assessment Discussion List; 'The Adult EnglishLanguage Learners
Discussion List'
Cc: Kathi Bailey
Subject: [Assessment 1857] Re: [EnglishLanguage 4210] Re: CTB
McGraw-Hill's Terra Nova (clarificiation)



Hello to you all,

Since the REEP will no longer be used to report learner gains in our
state, we are looking for a reliable substitute to administer to our
higher level ESOL students (SPL 3-8). We have been considering the BEST
Literacy. Have any of you had any experience using this assessment?
Has anyone found an assessment for ESOL learner's writing skills
comparable to the REEP? Thanks for all of your insights and wonderful
"learning links"!



Janet



Janet Piracha



NE System for Adult Education Basic Support

Curriculum and Assessment Coordinator

Northern Essex Community College

45 Franklin St.

Lawrence, MA 01840

978-738-7304



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On Behalf Of Michael A. Gyori
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 3:22 PM
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Cc: Kathi Bailey
Subject: [Assessment 1856] Re: [EnglishLanguage 4210] Re: CTB
McGraw-Hill's Terra Nova (clarificiation)



Hello everyone,



I'd like to clarify the direction I'm taking in researching tests for
ESL students. The TABE CLASE-E "only" measures English reading and
language skills and from what I have found out so far, is able to
measure up to 5.9 GLE. Higher scores may be out of the test's
measurable range. On the other hand, TerraNova CTBS tests all subject
areas of the G.E.D. test, is available for 1st through 12th grade
students, and is within measureable range up to 12.9+ GLE.



In addition to testing my student's English language/reading skills, I
also want to get a sense of their background knowledge, which commonly
derives from schooling in their L1 (in the sense of Cumming's common
underlying proficiency). My students' formal educational background is,
for me at least, an extremely important part of the information I
collect, because it appears to have considerable predictive value in
terms of how quickly they will learn, and which concepts are already
familiar to them in their L1. Typically, I find that teaching unknown
concepts in the L2 is more challenging than doing so in the L1, all the
more so because of language barriers.



I hope this helps, and I thank you for any and all feedback!



Michael







From: Michael A. Gyori [mailto:mgyori at mauilanguage.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 8:59 AM
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Subject: RE: [EnglishLanguage 4210] Re: CTB McGraw-Hill's Terra Nova



Hi Sandra,



Thanks for your e-mail!



The TABE ESL test is the TABE CLAS-E. A description of it can be found
at
http://www.ctb.com/products/product_summary.jsp?FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=14
08474395292718&bmUID=1241722470142.



I am in touch with CTB McGraw-Hill about this test. My question in this
phase of my own research is specifically about the Terra Nova 2nd and
3rd Ed.



Also, is anybody familiar with the GAIN (see
http://www.wonderlic.com/education-solutions/adult-basic-education.aspx)
? If so, I'd also greatly appreciate your observations / comments.



Thank you so much!



Michael



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[mailto:englishlanguage-bounces at nifl.gov] On Behalf Of Grant, Sandra
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 8:36 AM
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Subject: [EnglishLanguage 4210] Re: CTB McGraw-Hill's Terra Nova



Michael-I don't know a whole lot about it but TABE is or has come out
with an ESL test. I know they were testing it in the last couple of
years, but I haven't heard the results. Does anyone know about this
test?

Sandra Grant

Utah State Office of Education



From: englishlanguage-bounces at nifl.gov
[mailto:englishlanguage-bounces at nifl.gov] On Behalf Of Michael A. Gyori
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 12:01 PM
To: 'The Adult English Language Learners Discussion List'; The
Assessment Discussion List
Subject: [EnglishLanguage 4209] CTB McGraw-Hill's Terra Nova



Greetings to all,



Has anyone used CTB McGraw-Hill's Terra Nova (2nd and 3rd Editions) with
adult ESL learners, and if so, what, if any, observations might you have
to share? I know the test is designed for Grades 1-12 learners. The
CBO I used to work at administered the first edition of this test to
prospective GED students, some of whom were adults. The CBO currently
uses TABE.



Thank you for any insights you may have!





Michael









Michael A. Gyori, M.A. TESOL

Owner-Teacher

Maui International Language School

Phone 808.205.2101 (U.S.A.)

Fax 808.891.2237 (U.S.A.)

E-mail mgyori at mauilanguage.com

Website www.mauilanguage.com



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