Michael,

I accept that CLIL is an effective way to teach language. In fact my
grandkids' French immersion in Canada is one example. I do not believe that
this practice is widespread in Scandinavia whereas the availability of
English language TV programs is. It  is the exposure to the language through
TV, not the school system, that explains to me why Finns speak English
better than Turks.

Steve

On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Michael A. Gyori
<mgyori at mauilanguage.com>wrote:


>  Steve,

>

>

>

> You might wish to check our http://www.factworld.info/ and

> http://ec.europa.eu/education/languages/language-teaching/doc236_en.htm for starters.  I will send you information about schools in Turkey  that

> teach EFL across the curriculum (and how) when my wife, who is from Ankara,

> and I return from there in late July.

>

>

>

> Yes, English language programs on  TV can be a wonderful opportunity for

> language development.  Content and Language Integrated Learning (CLIL) as

> a vehicle for EFL/EAL instruction in K-12 and higher ed, however, is not the

> same as watching TV in English; rather,  L2 is developed by using it as a

> vehicle for learning school subjects.  The question becomes one of the

> nature of L2 proficiency we are talking about and aspiring to (as in BICS or

> CALP).

>

>

>

> In the meantime, you might Google CLIL + different countries.

>

>

>

> Michael

>

>

>

>

>

> *From:* englishlanguage-bounces at nifl.gov [mailto:

> englishlanguage-bounces at nifl.gov] *On Behalf Of *Steve Kaufmann

> *Sent:* Friday, June 12, 2009 4:04 AM

> *To:* The Adult English Language Learners Discussion List

> *Subject:* [EnglishLanguage 4458] Re: audio=lingualism and language

> learningmethods used in other countries

>

>

>

> My point is that Scandinavians will usually tell you that they are good at

> English because of their exposure to TV in the original language. Many

> Italians deplore that they do not have the same opportunity. I doubt that

> differences in method of English instruction between Finland and Italy are

> much of a factor in the different level of English skills.

>

> My son attended grade 11 in Sweden for a while and English was not taught

> across the curriculum there. I would be interested to hear where this is

> done and how it is done.

>

> Steve

>

> On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 4:09 PM, Michael A. Gyori <mgyori at mauilanguage.com>

> wrote:

>

> As I stated earlier, some countries teach EFL very successfully because it

> is taught across the curriculum rather than as a separate “subject.”  Same

> in Turkey, the Philippines, Switzerland, amongst others…

>

>

>

> Michael

>

>

>

> www.mauilanguage.com

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>

>

> *From:* englishlanguage-bounces at nifl.gov [mailto:

> englishlanguage-bounces at nifl.gov] *On Behalf Of *selover200 at comcast.net

> *Sent:* Thursday, June 11, 2009 7:23 AM

>

>

> *To:* The Adult English Language Learners Discussion List

>

> *Subject:* [EnglishLanguage 4455] Re: audio=lingualism and language

> learningmethods used in other countries

>

>

>

> Greetings:

>

>

>

>             I worked in Norway 1 summer, and I stayed with a college

> student Stavanger,  Norway.  I was very surprised to see that the college

> text books for many subjects were in English!

>

>

>

> With a smaller population for each of the Scandinavian countries and

> Finland, I think that some college  textbook publishers choose not to

> translate their books into these 4 different languages, so the students have

> to learn English to continue their education.

>

> We all know that reading can help you make great leaps of vocabulary and in

> processing  grammar, so their English learning would be greatly accelerated,

> compared to students in "conversational classes".

>

>

>

> I could easily got to the cinema in Scandinavia, because the films were not

> dubbed, they had Norwegian, Danish, or Swedish subtitles.

>

> Add this audio exposure to English in films and TV programs to their

> reading, and you have a good environment for acquiring English.

>

>

>

> Linda Selover

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>

> ----- Original Message -----

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> Subject: [EnglishLanguage 4453] Re: audio=lingualism and language

> learningmethods used in other countries

>

> Pax et bonum all! (peace & goodness)

>

>

>

> I know of no studies to confirm why Swedes, Dutch and even Finns are

> generally better at English than the French, Spanish and Italians, but many

> people in those countries do attribute it to the doubling of movies and TV

> programs. It is one of the explanations I hear most often.

>

> Having had several Scandinavian friends, we discussed their English

> capabilities, and they said that when travelling around Europe, they met so

> few fellow Scandinavian speakers, that English was a necessary “Lingua

> Franca.” Also, the Scandinavian languages are relatively small, lexically

> speaking, and borrowing foreign words/phrases is very accepted, from my

> experience.

>

> There might be a smattering of national pride involved also. I know the

> Academie Francaise tries to keep a control on the import of foreign words,

> as do many other countries world-wide. I have found the Scandinavians to be

> some of the most humble cultures.

>

> Now, this is talking about lexicon only. On a larger scale, the

> Scandinavian languages are closer “cousins” to English (both Germanic) than

> most other languages, and that may be a factor.

>

>

>

> Just my two-cents worth!

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