Hello, everyone.


Thank you, Steve and others, for your comments on the value of
discussing resources, both free and not free. Over the years many good
resources have been discussed on the list, along with ideas for their
use and the research behind them. It is one of the goals of the
discussion list that we share resources - and ways to use them - that
help practitioners help adult English language learners improve their
English skills.  

 

As we post, however, we need to remember that the guidelines say the
lists cannot be used as "a promotion tool for commercial products or
resources." Posts that refer to resources or product need to do so as
part of a discussion relating to the topics of the list. The list
subscriber must not "stand to gain financially from the posting of the
message." 

 

Speaking of helping practitioners improve their skills and topics for
discussion,  it's time to start planning a guest speaker for the
discussion list. 

 

In an email that I'll send either later today or tomorrow, I will ask
for feedback on topics. 

 

Thanks again, everyone, for your participation. 

 

Miriam

************

 

Miriam Burt, Discussion List Moderator

Adult English Language Learners


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	From: englishlanguage-bounces at nifl.gov
[mailto:englishlanguage-bounces at nifl.gov] On Behalf Of Steve Kaufmann
	Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 1:29 AM
	To: The Adult English Language Learners Discussion List
	Subject: [EnglishLanguage 3060] Re: Postings to the list
	
	
	I believe that everyone who works on developing a resource for
language learning, or who recommends a resource, is sincerely interested
in the goal of helping people learn. The poster may benefit
professionally, as well as in terms of satisfaction, if this resource is
recognized, appreciated and used. Whether the person posting about this
resource is directly involved or not, charges fees or not, is working
with a for profit  organization or not, should not matter in my view. 
	
	The goal for members of a community like this should surely be
to find the best possible ways to help people learn. And, if I am not
mistaken, most members here are professional teachers who are
remunerated for their work so I do not understand the bias against
charging fees.
	
	At my blog I allow visitors to mention language learning systems
as long as they are commenting in a way that is relevant to the
discussion and of value to my readers. I delete all hit and run spam, or
obvious advertizing.
	
	If some of the methods or approaches mentioned here are not
considered of interest, there is usually little follow up discussion.
However, being made aware of these various systems can be informative
and useful.
	

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		Regards, 
		
		Steve Kaufmann
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	On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 8:15 AM, Miriam Burt <mburt at cal.org>
wrote:
	

		Dear Sue and everyone:
		 
		I, too, have been a little concerned at what appears to
be a plethora of  posts touting commercial texts and resources. When it
appears the poster is talking about a product that he or she has a stake
in financially - that, of course, it sometimes hard to judge -  I check
with each of the posters and the Web sites they list to make certain
there is no cost to the products they are suggesting and that there are
no pop-ups trying to get the reader to purchase something. I have
suggested to posters that if they are posting to recommend a book or a
Web site or a service, that the poster specifically explain how this
resource is useful for practitioners working with adult English language
learners.  I would like to reiterate that suggestion to all.
		 
		But first maybe I need to share the guidelines for
posting:
		 
		"The Institute's lists cannot be used as a promotion
tool for commercial products or resources. It is permissible for a list
subscriber to post a message that refers to a resource or product only
in the context of a discussion that relates to the topics of the list,
and only if the list subscriber does not stand to gain financially from
the posting of the message [underlining is mine]. However, any message
that mentions or discusses a resource or product and whose primary
purpose is to generate financial benefit for the subscriber posting the
message is not permitted and will not be posted to a list."
		 
		I think this may the time to put in a request that
posters consider the topic under discussion and come back to discussing
research, strategies, and techniques that help practitioners help adult
English language learners learn English.
		 
		For example, what are some techniques you have used to
improve learners' pronunciation? Is there any recent research on what
works?
		 
		Thank you.
		Miriam Burt
		List Moderator ,Adult English Language Learners
		 
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		From: englishlanguage-bounces at nifl.gov
[mailto:englishlanguage-bounces at nifl.gov] On Behalf Of
Sandees32605 at aol.com
		Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 6:22 PM
		To: englishlanguage at nifl.gov
		Subject: [EnglishLanguage 3049] Re: pronunciation as the
key
		
		

			
			This email along with many many others from the
same poster is blatantly commercial.  Does anyone else find it offensive
to read such posts?
			 
			Thank you
			Sue Sandeen
			ESOL
			Gainesville, Fl



			
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