Apologies to all
I realise I came across as aggressive in my reply on this.
Sorry. I was just concerned from the bits and pieces I have read that it was
turning into a witch-hunt from a group of professionals outside the
situation. 
I will be quiet now.
Frances Nehme


On 17/6/08 15:02, "Emma Bourassa" <ebourassa at tru.ca> wrote:


> Thanks Ted, 

> I think it is critical that we acknowledge our own worldview and how it

> impacts ourselves as teachers and our students as well.

> emma

> 

> Emma Bourassa

> English as a Second or Additional Language/ Teaching English as a Second

> Language Instructor

> ESL Department

> Thompson Rivers University

> 900 McGill Road. P.O. Box 3010

> Kamloops, B.C. V2C 5N3

> (250) 371-5895

> fax 371-5514

> ebourassa at tru.ca

> 

>>>> 

> From:  Ted Klein <taklein at austin.rr.com>

> To: The Adult English Language Learners Discussion List

> <englishlanguage at nifl.gov>

> Date:  17/06/2008 7:56 am

> Subject:  [EnglishLanguage 2655] Re: Problem Tutor How to Handle It

> 

> Ochieng,

> 

> You probably think that I'm a hard person for my reaction to Karin's report.

> If you knew me, you would know better. I have been an ESL teacher,

> teacher-trainer, consultant, manager, etc. for many years. What comes with

> this is a strong sense of protectiveness and responsibility toward students

> from other cultures. I am also an intercultural trainer and have workshops on

> how to deal with students from other cultures. My website describes this work.

> None of the recommended approaches are harsh.

> 

> Once a pattern appears and it's not just an incident or two, I have always

> diplomatically investigated and retrained, when feasible, so that the problem

> is reduced. However, the differences are often cultural. You come from a

> gentle culture that offers protection on almost all occasions to persons who

> exceed acceptable bounds. The problem here is that students are being hurt by

> persons with no concept of "face." Within the American school systems,

> unfortunately there is often a great deal of overt conflict between students

> and their teachers. The problem is that when some teachers move out of this

> environment into "the rest of the world," they are really very hard to change.

> Problem solving is always the best way to fix things. However, it really

> doesn't work much with those who are convinced that "negative reinforcement"

> is the only answer. I would rather train a young teacher or tutor with NO

> background in their subject than deal with some of the "old-timers," whose

> habits 

>  are ingrained after years of dealing within their own culture.

> 

> Lao Tse, the Chinese Taoist philosopher divided all human activities into

> BEING, DOING and HAVING. We can change what a person has. Sometimes we can

> change what a person does. We can't change what a person is. In that

> situation, we are sometimes faced with the necessity of  moving the person on

> into another environment that fits who they are. That can be better for them

> and their students.

> 

> Respectfully,  Ted

> www.tedklein-ESL.com

> 

> ----- Original Message -----

>   From: Ochieng kh

>   To: The Adult English Language Learners Discussion List

>   Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 2:27 AM

>   Subject: [EnglishLanguage 2652] Re: Problem Tutor How to Handle It

> 

> 

>   Allow me to observe that no nonsense approach to issues is unilateral and

> always one sided. In life, there are two cardinal principles of justice,

> namely, that one shall never be a judge in ones cause and, that one shall

> never be condemned unheard. No non-sense approaches defy these important

> planks of justice. Suffice it to note that in everything we do, there is

> always a duty to society, meaning that whenever there is a problem, it is

> prudent to seek proper solutions as opposed to running away from the same

> because society need not suffer either directly or indirectly from a similar

> problem again. In the instance case, dismissing the tutor does not solve the

> problems, because she will run away with the problem to another place and

> surprising enough, she might not be aware of her weaknesses. Eventually

> society suffers. The best way is to make her understand the issues and if

> possible enable her overcome the problem. This is why investing in staff

> development or human capac

>  ity building programmes is important. After all if we were to live in a

> totally no nonsense society, we would all be dismissed because noone is

> perfect! It is better to nurture a society that believes in all and that each

> can be the best irrespective of challenges and difficulties. When we live one

> behind, we are literally hurrying to nowhere! Best wishes always, Ochieng

> M.Khairalla-Nairobi-Kenya.

> 

>   "tbeyene at juno.com" <tbeyene at juno.com> wrote:

>     Karin's suggestion would be lovely in a perfect world, say in Kenya where

> they have this nice tradition of "Haraka, Haraka Haina Baraka."  or Hurry,

> hurry has no blessings.  Lunch, dinner, etc....  I don't know; who has the

> time and patience here in the states, Karin?  I like Ted's no nonsense

> approach.

>     -T. 

> 

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>     Dear Karin Johnsey,

>     I suggest you broaden the horizon of both parties. Dismisal is tantamount

> to running away from the problem or employing another tutor could prove

> counter productive and time wasting. Simply engage both parties in

> constructive dialogue. Have a detailed discussion with the tutor concerned and

> explore her teaching approaches as well as methodologies. Impress upon her

> that you had difficulties with earlier experiences with other tutors and

> specifically refer to specific aspects forming the basis of the current

> complaint. Equally impress upon her the need to descend into the very arena of

> the student. It might be of use to ask the tutor to have out door session with

> the student, say a lunch session just to understand each other and to break

> the wall. Communication is a cure to most of the problems. This could be

> followed by a broader session bringing together yourself, the tutor and the

> student, an evening dinner is important, at which dinner you will generally

> intimate to bot

>  h parties that the ultimate goal of your project is to ensure the best

> services to both the tutor and the student as well as generate a family bond

> in which each is a part of the other. More interactions into the future is

> encouraged. Good day & best wishes,

>     Ochieng M.Khairalla-Nairobi-Kenya.

> 

>     Project CARE <ProjectCARE at morton.edu> wrote:

> 

>       I have a tutor who is a former high school teacher. She is retired now.

> She has been with our tutoring program for three years.

> 

>       There have been multiple complaints about this tutor on behalf of

> his/her students. The most recent example has been brought to my attention in

> the past couple days. It is the most extreme yet!

> 

>       According to the student, this tutor uses negative reinforcement..ie do

> you really want to learn? Uses inappropriate materials...ie not related to

> everyday life (she was a biology teacher, so she teachers biology to

> students), or material too hard for the student. She makes the student feel

> bad about his/her level of English knowledge, making them feel frustrated and

> ineffectual. Luckily the student told me about this. I am going to talk to the

> student more about the situation. Obviously the student doesn't want to

> continue.

> 

>       Do I formally dismiss this tutor? Or, do I just say that I dont' have

> any students for the tutor at this point and that his/her current student is

> too busy now with his/her new schedule, With the intention of never giving

> this tutor another student in the future? I am leaning toward the latter right

> now.

> 

>       Which course of action do I take and what is most effective for everyone

> involved. I don't want to make the student feel bad or have the tutor call

> him/her asking what happened? The tutor is very two-faced. Plus, they live in

> the same community, so I don't want them to run into each other again and have

> a bad experience. I want to protect my student, who I will try to find another

> tutor.

> 

>       Thanks in advance! Any techniques for how to handle this inappropriate

> tutor and/or breaking up the tutor/student pair will be very helpful.

> 

>       Karin Johnsey

> 

>       Project CARE

>       Morton College

>       Cicero, IL 

>       708-656-8000 x383

> 

>       -----Original Message-----

>       From: englishlanguage-bounces at nifl.gov on behalf of Jlbogdan

>       Sent: Thu 6/12/2008 4:15 PM

>       To: The Adult English Language Learners Discussion List

>       Subject: [EnglishLanguage 2627] Re: Best Listening, Bilingual, Online

> Test,& Video Site

> 

>       Hi Kate,

>       If you are at school and that comes up it means that your network IT is

> blocking you from reaching the site. You could request from IT that they allow

> access to the site. They should check it out and get back to you with a

> yes--and allow the site to come in or no--and usually explain why they won't.

>       If you can't get then you can try from home.

>       Hope it helps.

>       Joyce

> 

> 

>       ----- Original Message ----

>       From: Kate 

>       To: The Adult English Language Learners Discussion List

>       Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 1:57:15 PM

>       Subject: [EnglishLanguage 2626] Re: Best Listening, Bilingual, Online

> Test, & Video Site

> 

> 

>       Hi, Steph-

> 

>       If I tried to go on the Internet using the wireless access, but I got

> the "Page cannot be displayed" page, does that mean there's something wrong?

> Or is it just that I was in a place where I could not get a signal?

> 

>       Kate Diggins

>       Director of Adult Education

> 

>       GuadalupeSchools

>       340 S. Goshen St.

>       Salt Lake City, UT

>       84104

> 

>       work: 801.531.6100 (ext.1107)

>       cell: 801.440.7519

> 

>       www.guadalupe-schools.org

> 

>       ________________________________

> 

>       From:englishlanguage-bounces at nifl.gov

> [mailto:englishlanguage-bounces at nifl.gov] On Behalf Of LaFerlazzo at aol.com

>       Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 5:49 AM

>       To: englishlanguage at nifl.gov

>       Subject: [EnglishLanguage 2602] Re: Best Listening, Bilingual, Online

> Test,& Video Site

> 

> 

>       Hi, Everybody,

> 

>       Here are a few more "The Best..." lists:

> 

>       The Best Online Video Sites For Learning English

>       

> http://larryferlazzo.edublogs.org/2008/06/03/the-best-online-video-sites-for-l

> earning-english/ 

> 

>       The Best Listening Sites For English Language Learners

>       

> (http://larryferlazzo.edublogs.org/2008/05/28/the-best-listening-sites-for-eng

> lish-language-learners/)

> 

>       The Best Multilingual & Bilingual Sites For Learning English

>       

> (http://larryferlazzo.edublogs.org/2008/05/25/the-best-multilingual-bilingual-

> sites-for-learning-english/)

> 

>       The Best Ways To Create Online Tests

>       

> (http://larryferlazzo.edublogs.org/2008/05/22/the-best-ways-to-create-online-t

> ests/)

> 

>       Part Seventeen Of The Best Ways To Create Online Content Easily &

> Quickly

>       

> (http://larryferlazzo.edublogs.org/2008/05/26/part-seventeen-of-the-best-ways-

> to-create-online-content-easily-quickly/)

> 

>       Larry Ferlazzo

>       LutherBurbank High School

>       Sacramento, CA

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

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