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[EnglishLanguage 2659] Re: Problem Tutor How to Handle It
Frances Nehme
frances.nehme at tiscali.co.ukTue Jun 17 12:17:30 EDT 2008
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Apologies to all
I realise I came across as aggressive in my reply on this.
Sorry. I was just concerned from the bits and pieces I have read that it was
turning into a witch-hunt from a group of professionals outside the
situation.
I will be quiet now.
Frances Nehme
On 17/6/08 15:02, "Emma Bourassa" <ebourassa at tru.ca> wrote:
> Thanks Ted,
> I think it is critical that we acknowledge our own worldview and how it
> impacts ourselves as teachers and our students as well.
> emma
>
> Emma Bourassa
> English as a Second or Additional Language/ Teaching English as a Second
> Language Instructor
> ESL Department
> Thompson Rivers University
> 900 McGill Road. P.O. Box 3010
> Kamloops, B.C. V2C 5N3
> (250) 371-5895
> fax 371-5514
> ebourassa at tru.ca
>
>>>>
> From: Ted Klein <taklein at austin.rr.com>
> To: The Adult English Language Learners Discussion List
> <englishlanguage at nifl.gov>
> Date: 17/06/2008 7:56 am
> Subject: [EnglishLanguage 2655] Re: Problem Tutor How to Handle It
>
> Ochieng,
>
> You probably think that I'm a hard person for my reaction to Karin's report.
> If you knew me, you would know better. I have been an ESL teacher,
> teacher-trainer, consultant, manager, etc. for many years. What comes with
> this is a strong sense of protectiveness and responsibility toward students
> from other cultures. I am also an intercultural trainer and have workshops on
> how to deal with students from other cultures. My website describes this work.
> None of the recommended approaches are harsh.
>
> Once a pattern appears and it's not just an incident or two, I have always
> diplomatically investigated and retrained, when feasible, so that the problem
> is reduced. However, the differences are often cultural. You come from a
> gentle culture that offers protection on almost all occasions to persons who
> exceed acceptable bounds. The problem here is that students are being hurt by
> persons with no concept of "face." Within the American school systems,
> unfortunately there is often a great deal of overt conflict between students
> and their teachers. The problem is that when some teachers move out of this
> environment into "the rest of the world," they are really very hard to change.
> Problem solving is always the best way to fix things. However, it really
> doesn't work much with those who are convinced that "negative reinforcement"
> is the only answer. I would rather train a young teacher or tutor with NO
> background in their subject than deal with some of the "old-timers," whose
> habits
> are ingrained after years of dealing within their own culture.
>
> Lao Tse, the Chinese Taoist philosopher divided all human activities into
> BEING, DOING and HAVING. We can change what a person has. Sometimes we can
> change what a person does. We can't change what a person is. In that
> situation, we are sometimes faced with the necessity of moving the person on
> into another environment that fits who they are. That can be better for them
> and their students.
>
> Respectfully, Ted
> www.tedklein-ESL.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ochieng kh
> To: The Adult English Language Learners Discussion List
> Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 2:27 AM
> Subject: [EnglishLanguage 2652] Re: Problem Tutor How to Handle It
>
>
> Allow me to observe that no nonsense approach to issues is unilateral and
> always one sided. In life, there are two cardinal principles of justice,
> namely, that one shall never be a judge in ones cause and, that one shall
> never be condemned unheard. No non-sense approaches defy these important
> planks of justice. Suffice it to note that in everything we do, there is
> always a duty to society, meaning that whenever there is a problem, it is
> prudent to seek proper solutions as opposed to running away from the same
> because society need not suffer either directly or indirectly from a similar
> problem again. In the instance case, dismissing the tutor does not solve the
> problems, because she will run away with the problem to another place and
> surprising enough, she might not be aware of her weaknesses. Eventually
> society suffers. The best way is to make her understand the issues and if
> possible enable her overcome the problem. This is why investing in staff
> development or human capac
> ity building programmes is important. After all if we were to live in a
> totally no nonsense society, we would all be dismissed because noone is
> perfect! It is better to nurture a society that believes in all and that each
> can be the best irrespective of challenges and difficulties. When we live one
> behind, we are literally hurrying to nowhere! Best wishes always, Ochieng
> M.Khairalla-Nairobi-Kenya.
>
> "tbeyene at juno.com" <tbeyene at juno.com> wrote:
> Karin's suggestion would be lovely in a perfect world, say in Kenya where
> they have this nice tradition of "Haraka, Haraka Haina Baraka." or Hurry,
> hurry has no blessings. Lunch, dinner, etc.... I don't know; who has the
> time and patience here in the states, Karin? I like Ted's no nonsense
> approach.
> -T.
>
>
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> Dear Karin Johnsey,
> I suggest you broaden the horizon of both parties. Dismisal is tantamount
> to running away from the problem or employing another tutor could prove
> counter productive and time wasting. Simply engage both parties in
> constructive dialogue. Have a detailed discussion with the tutor concerned and
> explore her teaching approaches as well as methodologies. Impress upon her
> that you had difficulties with earlier experiences with other tutors and
> specifically refer to specific aspects forming the basis of the current
> complaint. Equally impress upon her the need to descend into the very arena of
> the student. It might be of use to ask the tutor to have out door session with
> the student, say a lunch session just to understand each other and to break
> the wall. Communication is a cure to most of the problems. This could be
> followed by a broader session bringing together yourself, the tutor and the
> student, an evening dinner is important, at which dinner you will generally
> intimate to bot
> h parties that the ultimate goal of your project is to ensure the best
> services to both the tutor and the student as well as generate a family bond
> in which each is a part of the other. More interactions into the future is
> encouraged. Good day & best wishes,
> Ochieng M.Khairalla-Nairobi-Kenya.
>
> Project CARE <ProjectCARE at morton.edu> wrote:
>
> I have a tutor who is a former high school teacher. She is retired now.
> She has been with our tutoring program for three years.
>
> There have been multiple complaints about this tutor on behalf of
> his/her students. The most recent example has been brought to my attention in
> the past couple days. It is the most extreme yet!
>
> According to the student, this tutor uses negative reinforcement..ie do
> you really want to learn? Uses inappropriate materials...ie not related to
> everyday life (she was a biology teacher, so she teachers biology to
> students), or material too hard for the student. She makes the student feel
> bad about his/her level of English knowledge, making them feel frustrated and
> ineffectual. Luckily the student told me about this. I am going to talk to the
> student more about the situation. Obviously the student doesn't want to
> continue.
>
> Do I formally dismiss this tutor? Or, do I just say that I dont' have
> any students for the tutor at this point and that his/her current student is
> too busy now with his/her new schedule, With the intention of never giving
> this tutor another student in the future? I am leaning toward the latter right
> now.
>
> Which course of action do I take and what is most effective for everyone
> involved. I don't want to make the student feel bad or have the tutor call
> him/her asking what happened? The tutor is very two-faced. Plus, they live in
> the same community, so I don't want them to run into each other again and have
> a bad experience. I want to protect my student, who I will try to find another
> tutor.
>
> Thanks in advance! Any techniques for how to handle this inappropriate
> tutor and/or breaking up the tutor/student pair will be very helpful.
>
> Karin Johnsey
>
> Project CARE
> Morton College
> Cicero, IL
> 708-656-8000 x383
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: englishlanguage-bounces at nifl.gov on behalf of Jlbogdan
> Sent: Thu 6/12/2008 4:15 PM
> To: The Adult English Language Learners Discussion List
> Subject: [EnglishLanguage 2627] Re: Best Listening, Bilingual, Online
> Test,& Video Site
>
> Hi Kate,
> If you are at school and that comes up it means that your network IT is
> blocking you from reaching the site. You could request from IT that they allow
> access to the site. They should check it out and get back to you with a
> yes--and allow the site to come in or no--and usually explain why they won't.
> If you can't get then you can try from home.
> Hope it helps.
> Joyce
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Kate
> To: The Adult English Language Learners Discussion List
> Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 1:57:15 PM
> Subject: [EnglishLanguage 2626] Re: Best Listening, Bilingual, Online
> Test, & Video Site
>
>
> Hi, Steph-
>
> If I tried to go on the Internet using the wireless access, but I got
> the "Page cannot be displayed" page, does that mean there's something wrong?
> Or is it just that I was in a place where I could not get a signal?
>
> Kate Diggins
> Director of Adult Education
>
> GuadalupeSchools
> 340 S. Goshen St.
> Salt Lake City, UT
> 84104
>
> work: 801.531.6100 (ext.1107)
> cell: 801.440.7519
>
> www.guadalupe-schools.org
>
> ________________________________
>
> From:englishlanguage-bounces at nifl.gov
> [mailto:englishlanguage-bounces at nifl.gov] On Behalf Of LaFerlazzo at aol.com
> Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 5:49 AM
> To: englishlanguage at nifl.gov
> Subject: [EnglishLanguage 2602] Re: Best Listening, Bilingual, Online
> Test,& Video Site
>
>
> Hi, Everybody,
>
> Here are a few more "The Best..." lists:
>
> The Best Online Video Sites For Learning English
>
> http://larryferlazzo.edublogs.org/2008/06/03/the-best-online-video-sites-for-l
> earning-english/
>
> The Best Listening Sites For English Language Learners
>
> (http://larryferlazzo.edublogs.org/2008/05/28/the-best-listening-sites-for-eng
> lish-language-learners/)
>
> The Best Multilingual & Bilingual Sites For Learning English
>
> (http://larryferlazzo.edublogs.org/2008/05/25/the-best-multilingual-bilingual-
> sites-for-learning-english/)
>
> The Best Ways To Create Online Tests
>
> (http://larryferlazzo.edublogs.org/2008/05/22/the-best-ways-to-create-online-t
> ests/)
>
> Part Seventeen Of The Best Ways To Create Online Content Easily &
> Quickly
>
> (http://larryferlazzo.edublogs.org/2008/05/26/part-seventeen-of-the-best-ways-
> to-create-online-content-easily-quickly/)
>
> Larry Ferlazzo
> LutherBurbank High School
> Sacramento, CA
>
>
>
>
>
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