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[EnglishLanguage 2264] Re: on-line dictionary with instant sound
Ted Klein
taklein at austin.rr.comMon Apr 7 16:51:53 EDT 2008
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Tom,
Dialect specialists delineated the differences, years ago, between parts of
the country where the lower mid-back lax rounded vowel sound of "caught"
exists and the regions where it doesn't and comes out as "cot." Cot is to
the front of and a bit lower than caught and the lips aren't rounded. The
main area where it has disappeared, if I recall, is in the Rocky Mountain
dialect, although that's not the only area where this happens. A friend of
mine who had a graduate degree in linguistics from Georgetown always
referred to it as an "optional phoneme."
Ted
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Zurinskas" <truespel at hotmail.com>
To: "The Adult English Language Learners Discussion List"
<englishlanguage at nifl.gov>
Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 12:30 PM
Subject: [EnglishLanguage 2261] Re: on-line dictionary with instant sound
>
>
> Me too. It's a great resource. You can get there by typing m-w.com. My
> only bone to pick with them is the changing of the "awe" vowel to "ah" for
> many words. For instance the word "awe" itself in m-w.com sounds more
> like "ah", as well as "awesome" and "boss". Lots of them. This is the
> biggest change to English that I've heard in my many years.
>
> Some folks are dropping the "awe" sound altogether. It's often called the
> caught/cot merger, where some folks say both as "cot". But data show 60%
> of USA folks say them differently, with "caught" having the "awe" sound.
> I think that should be respected by dictiionarly makers. We should not be
> dropping a phoneme out of the language.
>
> Tom Zurinskas, USA - CT20, TN3, NJ33, FL5+See truespel.com - and the 4
> truespel books plus "Occasional Poems" at authorhouse.com.
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>> Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 10:48:15 -0500
>> From: dlmsmith at sbcglobal.net
>> To: englishlanguage at nifl.gov
>> Subject: [EnglishLanguage 2259] Re: on-line dictionary with instant sound
>>
>> I like www.merriam-webster.com. It's a dictionary website, but there's a
>> speaker icon to click to hear the pronunciation. It gives alternative
>> pronunciations. The site also has a fairly high-level visual dictionary
>> and an ESL learners' dictionary.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 10:13 AM, Tom Zurinskas <truespel at hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> howjsay.com pronunciation is thickly british - with the "r dropping".
>> That should be noted. The majority dialect is American English. There are
>> 4 times as many native American English speakers as British English
>> speakers.
>>
>> Tom Zurinskas, USA - CT20, TN3, NJ33, FL5+
>> See truespel.com - and the 4 truespel books plus "Occasional Poems" at
>> authorhouse.com.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 17:00:23 -0400
>>> From: alcdgg at langate.gsu.edu
>>> To: englishlanguage at nifl.gov
>>> Subject: [EnglishLanguage 2254] on-line dictionary with instant sound
>>>
>>> ESL is not my area of expertise, so I don't know if this site is good,
>>> or if it is a site that everyone already knows about. A friend of mine
>>> introduced me to a site described as "An English Pronouncing Dictionary
>>> with Instant Sound" I tried it out with a few words, and it seemed like
>>> a great idea for learners struggling with pronunciation of specific
>>> words. They need to have some proficiency with English spelling in order
>>> to use the site because they need to write the word in order to hear it
>>> pronounced.
>>>
>>> The url is: http://howjsay.com/
>>>
>>> I am curious what people on this list think about this site.
>>>
>>> Daphne
>>>
>>> Daphne Greenberg
>>> Associate Professor
>>> Educational Psych. & Special Ed.
>>> Georgia State University
>>> P.O. Box 3979
>>> Atlanta, Georgia 30302-3979
>>> phone: 404-413-8337
>>> fax:404-413-8043
>>> dgreenberg at gsu.edu
>>>
>>> Daphne Greenberg
>>> Associate Director
>>> Center for the Study of Adult Literacy
>>> Georgia State University
>>> P.O. Box 3977
>>> Atlanta, Georgia 30302-3977
>>> phone: 404-413-8337
>>> fax:404-413-8043
>>> dgreenberg at gsu.edu
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