Return-Path: <DJRosen@world.std.com> Received: from europe.std.com (europe.std.com [199.172.62.20]) by literacy.nifl.gov (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA27377 for <nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov>; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 09:11:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.7.6/BZS-8-1.0) id JAA26090; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 09:12:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA10307; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 09:12:46 -0400 Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 09:12:46 -0400 (EDT) From: David J Rosen <DJRosen@world.std.com> To: nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov Subject: Metaphor/Bonding Message-Id: <Pine.SGI.3.95.970417091137.6153B-100000@world.std.com> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO Content-Length: 2511 Lines: 63 Forwarded from the NLA List: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: 14 Apr 1997 08:25:33 -0600 From: Janet Stotts <jstotts@smtpgw.ksbe.state.ks.us> Dear Ms. Mckinley, If you can look back to my original comments, you could tell that I believe it is the teacher that is at fault if any bonding takes place. The reason that I dislike that bonding is that I believe it keeps the students in a dependent role. I also have seen ESL teachers use their personal charm to disguise a lack of good teaching skills. The students are kept happy, but don't learn a lot. Learning isn't always comfortable or fun, just necessary. I found your reference to public school interesting because you are comparing our students with children. It is only in the lower grades where children are with one primary teacher all day. I don't think our students need to bond to their teachers, they need and want to respect them and to learn from them or, better yet, with them. I can't say that I have noticed any bias against ESL students on this list serve, but then I don't always have time to read them carefully. Janet Stotts <jstotts@smtpgw.ksbe.state.ks.us> ------------------------------ Date: 4/14/97 7:33 AM To: Stotts, Janet From: nla@facteur.std.com Hi all; I have been watching this discussing for a while and think it is time to join in. This response is not to argue the many good points that have been made nor to discourage the good works many of you are doing. It is only to viice a concern. I am concerned about the way Adult learners, especially the way ESL students are refered to as, "Confused co-dependent, undependable, impatient" and worst of all,"not appreciative of the free education which is provided to them." The bonding issue raised here concerns me, because in public schools students are with a teacher for a whole year, and move to the next grade and bonding hardly becomes an issue. Though, some studies show that it is best for students to have the same teacher for a long period of time. I believe this is true in any setting where we expect learning to take place. Remember, it takes two people for any bonding to take place. The question that comes to mind is, which one of the two is unwilling to change, the teacher or the learner? Speakers of other languages seem to take the beating in the area of Adult Education, as women on Welfare are blamed for our countries debts. I think that this is very unfair. Senitila McKinley <melemck@teleport.com>
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