Return-Path: <nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov> Received: from literacy (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by literacy.nifl.gov (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id h84GwS725468; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 12:58:28 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 12:58:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <26583D62A957714EAD30C4979B9359829E0FD1@mccmail.fpsnet.org> Errors-To: listowner@literacy.nifl.gov Reply-To: nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov Originator: nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov Sender: nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov Precedence: bulk From: "Kevin O'Connor" <koconnor@framingham.k12.ma.us> To: Multiple recipients of list <nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov> Subject: [NIFL-ESL:9399] RE: "poem" X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; Status: O Content-Length: 3146 Lines: 57 Joe, Sorry if my reply was heated. That "poem" really struck a nerve. If I misunderstood or misquoted you, then an apology is due. I usually try not to get into personal exchanges on the list. I'm all about collaboration, and personal back-and-forth is a waste of everyone's time. But as far as quotes go: >quote me. where do i 'paint all immigrants' any way at all? Maybe you were quoting this poem sarcastically, but this was in your 9003 email. >Welcome to America. >Do what u like. >We'll give u tax dollar. If you were being sarcastic and actually parodying this poem, it didn't come across that way. Especially after your own "revision". >Antje & all, >No offense meant, but i see your point, so i'll edit it slightly in keeping with the fact that redistribution of wealth is a many splendored thing: >Welcome (back) to America. >(Continue to) do what u like. >We'll (continue to) give u tax dollar. I guess you are right. You don't point explicitly to immigrants. However, your logical implication is obvious- you are talking about immigrants. There is no rhetorical cover in the fact that your referent is not explicit. Your "poem", based on you experience with Dominicans, seems to implicate those who come here. Who else is being "welcomed"? Natives? There is no professionalism in making thinly-veiled implications then denying them. If I am misquoting you, then I apologize. Cheers. Kevin O'Connor -----Original Message----- From: Joe Little [mailto:fyi@americanliteracy.com] Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 10:46 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [NIFL-ESL:9396] RE: "poem" > Sorry you feel rebuffed, but the experience you describe is insufficient to justify > painting all immigrants with such a broad brush. Many of the immigrants > I know work menial jobs, pay taxes and receive far less from the government than > most Americans do. They make better Americans than most citizens. Keven & all, please help me to see the error of my ways (so to speak): quote me. where do i 'paint all immigrants' any way at all? i bend over backwards to avoid generalizing and when i do generalize i qualify it ad nauseum--even if it's only to avoid this type of unwarranted criticism. > Your party affiliation doesn't put you in a box, your narrow-minded judgment of > "immigrants" does. To dismiss the struggles of every immigrant, casting them as > social parasites, based solely on your experience with one group, is reductive and > childish. Where did your parents come from? Don't be so proud. But for an > accident of birth, you'd be in line at INS too. Show me, and everyone else, where i narrow-mindedly 'dismissed the struggle of every immigrant, casting them as social parasites'. Show me, and everybody else, where i was proud; this typecasting and generalizing speaks poorly of the professionalism that undergirds-- or should undergird-- dialog on the nifl-esl listserv. I dont want/ need an apology from u, but one may be in order. Likewise, i'll apologize if u'll toss me the bone of a quote that supports your accusations. Cordially, Joe
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