Return-Path: <nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov>
Received: from literacy (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by literacy.nifl.gov (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id h83Lho700879; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 17:43:51 -0400 (EDT)
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 17:43:51 -0400 (EDT)
Message-Id: <3F565EF6.9070405@georgetown.edu>
Errors-To: listowner@literacy.nifl.gov
Reply-To: nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov
Originator: nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov
Sender: nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov
Precedence: bulk
From: Albert Wat <ayw@georgetown.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov>
Subject: [NIFL-ESL:9388] Re: Accept English Only donation?
X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Status: O
Content-Length: 5774
Lines: 194
Hi,
I could be wrong, but I sense that there's an assumption underlying the
frustration that some on this listserv and many outside of it are
feeling... the assumption being that the immigrant population has not
made much improvement in their English proficiency and educational
attainment because they have been able to survive without learning much
English. I just want to point to an interesting report that was
released by the Pew Hispanic Center. It points to evidence that the
educational attainment of the Latino immigrant population (25 years or
older) has been improving in the past 30 years. In fact, today, their
educational profile is very similar to the educational attainment of the
native-born population 30 years ago. This isn't to say that we
shouldn't push for more progress, of course. Being where the
"mainstream" population is 30 years ago isn't exactly an unqualified
victory.
For the entire report, go to...
http://www.pewhispanic.org/site/docs/pdf/ImmigEd12-04-02Final2.pdf
ttweeton wrote:
>I don't remember who the statement came from, but the resentment towards
>immigrants who don't leaner English is a form of fascism. It is trying to
>impose one person's beliefs upon "the other".
>
>Andres I NEVER said that I believe in the English Only movement. Please
>don't insinuate this and put words in my mouth. If I felt that way I
>wouldn't be in the business I am in!
> Of course you know that I said many Americans are resentful towards the
>immigrants who don't learn English. You don't have to like that statement,
>but it is reality . I Why do you say I am imposing beliefs?? I am just
>stating facts. Why are you trying to deny how many people feel?? You
>Andres are sounding very resentful yourself. I hear from these Americans
>who make these kinds negative of comments to me very often. . If you feel
>that the resentment statement is untrue and unjustified and is of a
>fascist mentality then you are calling a whopping number of Americans
>fascist. I don't think they would care for that label particularly, AND
>would find you ungrateful . Your statement isn't particularly
>constructive. It starts us down a slippery slope............. of name
>calling. Isn't it for all of us to figure out a solution? Not to sling
>mud?? I have always been for finding solutions. Understanding the problems
>on BOTH sides and finding the solutions is the only way to go. Tanya
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Andres Muro" <AndresM@epcc.edu>
>To: "Multiple recipients of list" <nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov>
>Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 4:30 PM
>Subject: [NIFL-ESL:9369] Re: Accept English Only donation?
>
>
>
>
>>I am not pointing fingers at anyone in particular. However, I am claiming
>>
>>
>that the rhetoric of English only is fascist. It starts with the premise
>that immigrants come to the country, take advantage of everything that
>America offers but refuse to learn "the language". Someone earlier stated
>that the refusal of immigrants to learn the language created resentment. I
>don't remember who the statement came from, but the resentment towards
>immigrants who don't leaner English is a form of fascism. It is trying to
>impose one person's beliefs upon "the other".
>
>
>>>>>fyi@americanliteracy.com 09/02/03 11:45AM >>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> This is starting to sound like Hitler's "Mein Kampf" ("My Struggle",
>>>
>>>
>not sure how to
>
>
>>> spell it). However, the rhetoric is the same.
>>>
>>>
>>Andres & all,
>>
>>(Hello, moderator. Anyone home?) When you say that "this is starting to
>>
>>
>sound like Hitler's 'Mein Kampf'" what particularly are u referring to? Give
>us a quote. When u go
>
>
>>to the extreme of saying that someone is starting to sound like Hitler, it
>>
>>
>seems like u are playing the racist/fascist card, especially when u don't
>name names or quote any quotes. Are u saying that Tanya is a fascist? or are
>u saying that Tanya is 'beginning
>
>
>>to look a lot like nazi'. No wonder the conservatives in our ranks don't
>>
>>
>speak up. It's a chiller. Indeed, i am chilled to the bone at the prospect
>of now being titled xenophobe
>
>
>>(or worse) for defending T.
>>
>>Never-the-less,
>>
>>Joe
>>
>>
>>> Hitler starts by saying that in the beginning, he didn't hate the
>>>
>>>
>jews. He just
>
>
>>> noticed that they were different. They had different customs, live in
>>>
>>>
>their own
>
>
>>> communities, spoke differently, had a different religion, etc and took
>>>
>>>
>advantage of
>
>
>>> the German economy. He also noticed that they refused to live, act and
>>>
>>>
>behave like
>
>
>>> "true Germans". He claims that he would go and talk to them and tell
>>>
>>>
>them to ,
>
>
>>> but they refused, continuing to live their different ways. He felt
>>>
>>>
>that this was
>
>
>>> detrimental to Germany, and eventually he started murdering millions
>>>
>>>
>of them.
>
>
>>Chilling.
>>
>>
>>
>>> same rhetoric is being applied to immigrants. Some Americans claim
>>>
>>>
>that they don't
>
>
>>> hate immigrants, but that they act differently. America offers
>>>
>>>
>immigrants the
>
>
>>> opportunity to change, and to be "good immigrants" but they refuse.
>>>
>>>
>So, Americans
>
>
>>> start resenting them for behaving differently.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
--
Albert Wat, Program Director
DC Schools Project
Office of Volunteer & Public Service - Center for Social Justice
Georgetown University, Poulton Hall
1421 37th St., NW, 1st Floor
Washington, DC 20057
Tel: (202)687-8868 Fax: (202)687-8980
https://data.georgetown.edu/outreach/csj/service/programs/dcsp/
This archive was generated by hypermail 2b30 : Thu Mar 11 2004 - 12:16:23 EST