Return-Path: <nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov> Received: from literacy (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by literacy.nifl.gov (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id h1JLNMP27111; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 16:23:22 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 16:23:22 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <027301c2d85c$7729bc90$9865fea9@Tommy> Errors-To: listowner@literacy.nifl.gov Reply-To: nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov Originator: nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov Sender: nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov Precedence: bulk From: "Tommy B. McDonell" <tommy.mcdonell@nyu.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov> Subject: [NIFL-ESL:8534] RE: ESL and ESOL Conventions X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; Status: O Content-Length: 1995 Lines: 56 These letters get worse. To be politically correct anymore, I'm told you don't use ESL or ESOL, but ELL for English language learners. This because often English is not merely one's second language. When I did fund raising I never could decide what to use. T Tommy B. McDonell (Ms.) Adjunct, Marymount Manhattan College ESL and technology training Doctoral Candidate at NYU home: 212-414-8513 before 9:30PM Fax: 212-414-1293 Tommy.McDonell@nyu.edu ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gretchen Bitterlin" <gbitterl@sdccd.cc.ca.us> To: "Multiple recipients of list" <nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov> Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 4:13 PM Subject: [NIFL-ESL:8532] RE: ESL and ESOL Conventions > ESL vs. ESOL? - As an adult educator, we have been going back and forth on > this issue for some time. Whereas ESOL is a more accurate term referring to > our learners, programs still use ESL to refer to their programs. Because > ESL is the commonly used term, we decided to use that and not ESOL for our > new publication "Standards for Adult Education ESL Programs." > Gretchen Bitterlin > > -----Original Message----- > From: WMFisher40@aol.com [mailto:WMFisher40@aol.com] > Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 8:19 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [NIFL-ESL:8524] ESL and ESOL Conventions > > > Can anyone help me to understand the conventional applications of ESL > > (English as a Second Language) and ESOL (English for Speakers of Other > Languages)? In my locality, I think ESL often refers to college programs > and > ESOL often is used for elementary and high school programs. I have seen > Adult Education English programs referred to as both ESOL and ESL. > Any clarification of these terms' uses would be appreciated! How > would one explain these terms accurately to a non-native speaker of English? > > It would also be interesting to see if they are used differently in > different > areas of the country. > Thanks, > Solveig Fisher >
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