Return-Path: <nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov> Received: from literacy (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by literacy.nifl.gov (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id h821x0715967; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 21:59:00 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 21:59:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <004b01c370f4$f09c92b0$18aab042@lop.com> Errors-To: listowner@literacy.nifl.gov Reply-To: nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov Originator: nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov Sender: nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov Precedence: bulk From: "ttweeton" <ttweeton@comcast.net> To: Multiple recipients of list <nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov> Subject: [NIFL-ESL:9351] Re: Accept English Only donation? X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; Status: O Content-Length: 5251 Lines: 190 Do you think one should live 8 to 10 years in a country, any country in the world without learning the language? Tanya Tweeton Adult Esol Community School Fort Lauderdale, Florida ----- Original Message ----- From: "Albert Wat" <ayw@georgetown.edu> To: "Multiple recipients of list" <nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov> Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 9:19 AM Subject: [NIFL-ESL:9307] Re: Accept English Only donation? > Funny... in Washington DC, there are always wait lists of immigrants who > are dying to learn English. If anything, I think this country's > policies may deter people from learning English not by providing > services in people's first language, but by putting the fear of God into > immigrants who don't have papers. And by the way, what's wrong with the > government providing services in people's first language? If people > can't access the basic necessities in their everyday lives, how do you > expect them to find work and support their family? And then we blame > them for leeching off the system (when we're not blaming them for taking > our jobs away)! > > I'd like to see some of us survive in places where no one speaks any > languages that we know... not as vacationers, but as immigrants trying > to make a living. We'll probably complain why no one knows any English > in that backwards country! > > -- > > Albert Wat, Program Director > DC Schools Project > Office of Volunteer & Public Service - Center for Social Justice > Georgetown University, Poulton Hall > 1421 37th St., NW, 1st Floor > Washington, DC 20057 > Tel: (202)687-8868 Fax: (202)687-8980 > https://data.georgetown.edu/outreach/csj/service/programs/dcsp/ > > > > ttweeton wrote: > > > Welcome to America. > > > > > >>Do what u like. > >>We'll give u tax dollar. > >> > >>Xenophillically > >> > >> > > > >Joe you are so funny.! I am in agreement with what you say. The issue of > >Bilingual programs ( or not) IS a problem for the children, but a most > >irritating situation is the immigrant (parents of those children??) who > >comes here and decides that it is not necessary to learn English( or ver y > >little of it ) because he/she can get along pretty well (particularly in > >Miami ) without it! AND finds all kinds of government help in his/her native > >language just as you stated ( so why learn English if you don't have to!!!!) > >If you are from Miami you know this but when you call govt. offices here, > >the first language spoken when answering the phone is Spanish. I > >personally speak Spanish AND French AND Italian etc...., no problem, > >BUT...... how presumptious of these people to think that I will > >automatically understand what they are saying!!!! In this case, with these > >govt agencies English MUST and should be spoken , AND come first! I ,as > >a taxpayer, pay their salaries and have a right to expect that I will be > >helped in "correctly and clearly spoken "English FIRST. To speak in Spanish > >first , only intimidates me, as Mrs Consumer. I also have rights as a > >consumer . How can they possibly know who is at the other end of the line?? > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Joe Little" < > >To: "Multiple recipients of list" < > >Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 5:48 PM > >Subject: [NIFL-ESL:9300] Re: Accept English Only donation? > > > > > > > > > >>> One suggestion would be for students to investigate the group (as an > >>> exercise). Financials should be public, as are mission statements, > >>> > >>> > >etc. > > > > > >>> See what percentage of their budget goes for ESL. There is no paucity > >>> > >>> > >of > > > > > >>> newspaper articles at relatively easy reading levels that go into an > >>> > >>> > >array > > > > > >>> of issues and cases associated with English Only. Some go into > >>> > >>> > >employees > > > > > >>> suing employers for their right to speak their native language on the > >>> > >>> > >job; others > > > > > >>> tell the exact opposite. And of course, English Only's strong > >>> > >>> > >connection to > > > > > >>> right wing, anti-immigrant forces are well documented and easy to > >>> > >>> > >understand. > > > > > >>Laurie, Cathy, and all, > >> > >>I love the idea of investigating the financial statement and mission > >> > >> > >statement of the English Only organization. That's clear,factual stuff. > >Many folks-- present company excluded, hopefully -- would stear clear of > >that, opting instead for liberal-rant, leftist- > > > > > >>rave articles from our libero-centric friends in the media. > >> > >> > >> > >>> That the group approached you with the unabashed intention to use their > >>> donation as a PR stint to push "their" political agenda reminds me of a > >>> slogan on a t-shirt complete w/caps and exclamation points I saw just > >>> > >>> > >last > > > > > >>> weekend in NJ: "Welcome to America. Now SPEAK ENGLISH!!!!!" As ESL > >>> professionals, we know that the bottom line is xenophobia. > >>> > >>> > >>Bottom line of what? That slogan? Produced by whom? Probably the vast > >> > >> > >left-wing conspiracy...but seriously, the t-shirt u saw reminds me of a > >haiku i read not three > > > > > >>hours ago: > >> > >>, > >> > >>sincerely, > >> > >>Joe > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >
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