[NIFL-ESL:9364] RE: "poem"

From: Ken Taber (kentaber@inetgenesis.com)
Date: Tue Sep 02 2003 - 13:26:44 EDT


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From: "Ken Taber" <kentaber@inetgenesis.com>
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Joe,
Thank you for sharing your story. It sounds like you tried to deal with the
problem but got very resentful and gave up. It takes time to learn a new
language. It seems you just got impatient. Growth appears slow, especially
in the beginning. If you ever go back to work with these immigrants let us
help you. You did learn that teaching English to immigrants in harder than
you expected. I admire the zeal of which you started. You should be
applauded for your initial efforts.

However, the "tuff love" argument does not work with me. It just sounds like
your resentment and frustration turned into hatred. It is the same emotional
charge that fuels the English-Only movement. By "tuff-love" you appear to
recommend that if we have English-Only Laws and cut off all government
assistance to the immigrant than they will be motivated to learn to speak
English. I do not think your "tuff love" philosophy will work. On the
contrary, it is a recipe for disaster. These actions will motivate very
negative reactions and set off Civil Rights Protest similar to the 1960's.
Do you realize how many immigrants you will be affecting? If hatred toward
the immigrant is allowed to continue unchecked it will lead to a blood bath
of ethnic cleansing. Joe, you sound like a good guy but the answer to this
complex problem is not your unwise "tuff love" philosophy.

-Ken Taber
kentaber@inetgenesis.com


----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe Little" <fyi@americanliteracy.com>
To: "Multiple recipients of list" <nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov>
Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 12:39 PM
Subject: [NIFL-ESL:9360] RE: "poem"


> >  It seems that you don't work with immigrants or don't see the realities
of
> >  their lives. Actually I *hope* you don't work with immigrants, because
it
> >  seems you would be insulting them daily.
>
> Sylvan and all,
>
> That's the thing-- the trouble-- with politics and labels. I can be a
libertarian, which i am, and that instantly puts me in a box. But i don't
live or work or think in that box.I worked with immigrants-- Domican
Republicans, primarily-- from 1998-2001 in north Manhattan for a
respectable, mainstream community service organization.u did well to hedge
your hunch about my treatment of immigrants because i am, truly, a
xenophile. It takes lots of guts to leave your community and come to a new
one -- no matter how many uncles and cousins u have there waiting for u.
I broke my neck for them, entered into their experience by learning more
spanish, asked them query after query about their original culture, about
their daily lives, went on field trips with them, called them at home, askd
them to call/Email me at home, introduced them to my wife and kids, tried
desparately to learn merengue, met their families. It was a mutually charmed
relationship.    And i'll be dang if they!
>  learned more than 1 or 2% more english during their fall/spring with me!
a huge part of the hurdle is the damnable nature of english spelling but a
similar cliff for them was the utter reality that they didn't need to learn
english. They didn't have to. No-body was giving them the tuff love they
needed. To the best of my knowlege, they were either unemployed and received
government aid......or worked menial jobs and received government aid.
That's Washington Heights for u--tho i loved it, lived it and worked it for
6 happy years.    But to be honest, as much as my wife and loved it, we grew
weary of living and working in a community that spoke little English and had
little incentive to do so--or i should say lots of financial disincentives.
To the best of my experience, that is the reality of their life.   Does the
spirit or letter of what i'm saying sound insulting to u?
>
> All the best,
>
> Joe
>



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