Return-Path: <nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov> Received: from literacy (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by literacy.nifl.gov (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id h6LHNJ706320; Mon, 21 Jul 2003 13:23:19 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 13:23:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <000f01c34fac$9ae42cc0$18aab042@lop.com> Errors-To: listowner@literacy.nifl.gov Reply-To: nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov Originator: nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov Sender: nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov Precedence: bulk From: "ttweeton" <ttweeton@comcast.net> To: Multiple recipients of list <nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov> Subject: [NIFL-ESL:9222] Re: writing in esl X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; Status: O Content-Length: 2617 Lines: 64 These expressions do show up in the media and in literature, > so they are difficult to avoid. I think discussing the > expressions and the soci-cultural stuff that goes with > them is worthwhile, particularly for intermediate and > advanced level students, since they have the language > ability to express opinions about the nuances of language. > Jane that is a very good answer. Of course it would be most beneficial to discuss these idioms if there is time in class to do so and why some may be pejorative. How else can our foreign students learn why or why not to use them. But if one is in a hurry.....best to skip using them until the student obtains an explanation! ----- Original Message ----- From: <Quidnunc@aol.com> To: "Multiple recipients of list" <nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov> Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 12:46 PM Subject: [NIFL-ESL:9221] Re: writing in esl > I agree with the posting, but I think that sometimes it > is a good idea to draw students' attention to the term or > phrase so that the students can get an idea of whether it is > appropriate to use or not. > > If we say that all idioms or ethnic-based expressions should > be avoided, the students would really miss out on some > very comon expressions. Likewise, the students might > not realize that some of these expressions are entangled > in negative stereotypes and hurtful, so it might be worthwhile > to discuss the expressions to demonstrate how different > people interpret these expressions, so the students can > think about appropriate and inappropriate use of language. > > These expressions do show up in the media and in literature, > so they are difficult to avoid. I think discussing the > expressions and the soci-cultural stuff that goes with > them is worthwhile, particularly for intermediate and > advanced level students, since they have the language > ability to express opinions about the nuances of language. > > > Jane Rosenthal > > > > In a message dated 7/21/2003 7:07:04 AM Eastern Standard Time, ltbarr@hacc.edu writes: > > > > > > > Hello Mitsuko > > You wrote- > > There are many idiomatic expressions with nationality: some obsolete > > and > > some still in use, Are they offensive, obsolete, politically > > incorrect? > > > > In my opinion, it is best not to use these expressions. I have > > witnessed very negative reactions to such terms because the hearers were > > not aware of the meanings or that these are in fact English expressions. > > I question the appropriateness of phrases such as Dutch treat or Pardon > > my French because they have pejorative connotations any > > way.
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