Return-Path: <nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov> Received: from literacy (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by literacy.nifl.gov (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id h26JEhP17995; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 14:14:44 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 14:14:44 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <011901c2e416$11eeeec0$6401a8c0@pp200> Errors-To: listowner@literacy.nifl.gov Reply-To: nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov Originator: nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov Sender: nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov Precedence: bulk From: "Dottie Shattuck" <dottie@shattuck.net> To: Multiple recipients of list <nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov> Subject: [NIFL-ESL:8755] RE: NIFL's Policy X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; Status: O Content-Length: 3808 Lines: 84 Melinda -- I'm so sorry that you were attacked personally, especially since it was I who asked the question (in all innocence) that started the mess! I'm surprised & saddened by such behavior. I hope you'll reconsider. Most of the time, most of us are very professional. Dottie Shattuck NC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Melinda Hefner" <mhefner@cccti.edu> To: "Multiple recipients of list" <nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov> Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 11:49 AM Subject: [NIFL-ESL:8750] RE: NIFL's Policy | This will, unfortunately, be my last post on this list. I have learned | so much from so many of you. And, over the course of my being a list | member, so many of you have helped with questions specific to my working | on an ESL/Civics Education Project. The generosity that you have shown | is greatly appreciated. Many of you took the time to e-mail me | privately to give information, instructional tips, curriculum ideas, | lesson plan information, etc. I am so grateful for your having done | that. As a relative newcomer to English literacy, I learned so much | more from you than I was able to share in return. Again, thank you so | much for your insight, your caring about our students, and your | willingness to share with one another so that we can help our students | master English and become fully participating members of their | communities. | | I tried so very hard to stay out of the heated discussions that have | been posted lately, and, to the best of my recollection, I did not post | anything to the group regarding the "debates". But I became very | frustrated when the ugly attacks came without an apparent end. | Unfortunately, I sent the following post to the list: "Will the list | moderator PLEASE do something about this person's inexcusable attacks on | members of this list? Thanks!" In retrospect, I should have sent this | to the list moderator. I apologize for "dragging" the other list | members into my request. | | Shortly after that posting, I received an off list e-mail from the | banned member saying, "You'll get yours too someday. CJ" This is the | kind of ugliness that I had hoped to avoid for the list, but I found | myself being on the receiving end of it instead. | | Best wishes to all of you. So many of you do such a wonderful job on | behalf of our students. And thank you to the list moderator(s) for | trying to make this list a wonderful place for the exchange of ideas to | help us all be better at our craft. | | Warm regards, | Melinda Hefner | | | >>> WonJst@netscape.net 03/05 11:55 PM >>> | "Miriam Burt" <miriam@cal.org> wrote: | | >And I do not wish to see messages on this list serve (or in my own | mailbox either for that matter) where folks call other folks crybabies | and attack them personally for their views. It's not and issue of | censorship: it's of keeping someone from yelling fire in a crowded | theatre when there's no fire.<< | | Is your sense of proportion a bit skewed here? Are your priorities | straight, given all that is going on in the world right now? | | I ask that you moderate and lead discussions and stop censoring the | list. It's that simple. Also, you might all be a bit more honest about | what happened instead of dumping on one person who became upset (he | didn't use words like 'asinine' or 'troublemaker', two others did). The | individual became upset at the whining, upset at the dishonesty, and | upset about the censorship. At least that is what he said in a post | offlist. | | SJW | | __________________________________________________________________ | The NEW Netscape 7.0 browser is now available. Upgrade now! | http://channels.netscape.com/ns/browsers/download.jsp | | Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at | http://webmail.netscape.com/
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