IQ is over-rated anyway.  Sorry.  To me, it's a number, not some predictor
of potential.

"Even the smallest person can change the course of the world."

A little morning philosophy....

Katherine Mercurio Gotthardt




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[mailto:learningdisabilities-bounces at nifl.gov]On Behalf Of Glenn Young
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2007 12:30 PM
To: 'The Learning Disabilities Discussion List'
Subject: [LearningDisabilities 1547] Re: Transition- IQ


Yes Arlyn ... 70+ is considered "low average" but for the purpose of LD
definition .... For the original intent of why the language was put in  ...
Low average is counted in the term "average or above average intelligence"
for LD assessment  ... And people with 70+ IQ can and do fit very well into
the diagnostics for LD ... And when we used the appropriate "regression
scales" (mandated in most states school systems) to wipe out some of the
race, gender and class issues that are inherent in the Wechsler scales ...,
we far better capture this 70-90 IQ LD population (which turns out to be
predominately female and predominately poor, and people of color. - Not that
poor females of color or less "intelligent" its that the test is clearly
biased against people who are poor, poor and female, and poor and female and
of color (Using the regression scales allows for required differential in
scores to be decreased and the lower IQ factors work for persons who are not
"white middle class boys in the suburbs" (or penthouses)

So ... We need to make this issue far more clear ... You don't have to have
a general IQ of 90 plus for being classified as LD ... Just 70 plus ... And
sometimes not even that ...

And that when we do use the discrepancy formulas, we need to use them with
regression scales ... (as is done in most states K-12 systems but do not
seem to transfer to private practice people dealing with Adults much) to
eliminate the inherent bias,

SO ... Let us stop talking of LD as the model developed for the middle class
families in the 1960's so their kids would not be called Minimum Brain
Damaged (MBD), and the model that was designed to meet the needs of that
group of people (wealthier families with "weird sons" not doing well in
school) And let us join the modern age, in which the more appropriate model
of LD is seen from the perspective of neurological impacts that is actually
more likely to occur with poorer persons (based on environmental risk
factors increase by issues of poverty)  ... With lower "IQ" scores, based on
lower income issues etc) and finally get this "average or above average
nonsense out of our conversation.

All it was meant to say was that these people with LD are not MR ... So OK
... They are not MR ... They don't have to geniuses  to be LD ... Nor super
smart ... Nor even just smart ... LD impacts all along the "bell curve of
intelligence" and that at a certain point, the intent of the term ... Was we
stop calling it LD and start calling it MR ...

OK?


Glenn Young
530 Auburn Ave.
Buffalo, New York 14222
Ph. and Fax 716-882-2842
Cell 703-864-3755
e-mail gyoungxlt at roadrunner.com

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[mailto:learningdisabilities-bounces at nifl.gov] On Behalf Of Arlyn Roffman
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2007 9:50 AM
To: The Learning Disabilities Discussion List
Subject: [LearningDisabilities 1545] Transition- IQ

Glenn wrote:
What is defined as average or above average intelligence goes as low as 70
IQ (not starting at 90 or 100 or so)


I agree with much of what Glenn had to say, but can't let the above go
without commenting. On the Wechsler scales, "average" IQ is 90-110. Various
levels of mental retardation begin below about 70. A person whose score
falls in between is considered to have "low average" intelligence.
Arlyn Roffman, PhD
Lesley University

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