Lucille, I agree with your philosophy of using O-G with any struggling 
readers. I, too, don't always bother with the assessment part. Really, it is 
just a great way to teach reading to anyone.  All would benefit from 
learning the structure of the English language more thoroughly.  The O-G 
approach gives English a structure and organization.  The philosophy of "all 
can benefit" is an example of "universal design" - a buzz term that seems to 
be prevalent these days.   --All of this is not to discount the value of the 
"whole language" approach.  It is just that struggling readers especially 
benefit from the direct, explicit and systematic approach to phonics in 
order to become fluent readers.

Betsy S. Gauss

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lucille Cuttler" <l.cuttler at comcast.net>
To: "The Learning Disabilities Discussion List" 
<learningdisabilities at nifl.gov>
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 6:01 PM
Subject: [LearningDisabilities 1261] Re: Fw: Re: 
RepeatQuestion-LDScreeningToolsfor Non Native Speakers



> Betsy - your response says it all.  I,too, use O-G approaches - 

> structured,

> sequential, explicit instruction. It works.  Struggling learners can 

> benefit

> from O-G.  I founded a program in 1986 that trained volunteers in O-G.  We

> did not wait for neuro-psychological or educational assessments to apply 

> the

> methods.  The premise was that a method appropriate for dyslexics would be

> valuable for any struggling learner.   Lucille Cuttler

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: learningdisabilities-bounces at nifl.gov

> [mailto:learningdisabilities-bounces at nifl.gov]On Behalf Of Betsy

> Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 10:58 AM

> To: >

> Subject: [LearningDisabilities 1257] Fw: Re: Repeat

> Question-LDScreeningToolsfor Non Native Speakers

>

>

> Dear Katherine,  I am a certified Orton-Gillingham tutor-trainer.  In case

> you are not familiar with it, this is an approach for teaching those who 

> are

> dyslexic,  Dyslexia is a language processing problem and manifests itself

> with difficulties in understanding or using one or more areas of language

> processing, i.e., listening, speaking, reading, writing and spelling.  It 

> is

> the most commonly recognized type of LD.  My answer to your question is 

> that

> if a learner has been diagnosed with a general learning disability after

> being tested by a licensed psychologist and shows characteristics of

> dyslexia, it is a safe bet that person is dyslexic.  The severity of the

> language processing (dyslexia)problem can be placed on a continuum from 

> mild

> to severe.  If a learner has poor visual AND auditory memories, the 

> problem

> is likely to be more severe.  A few clues would be the inability to blend

> graphemes and their corresponding phonemes together into words,

> (phonological awareness), difficulty sequencing, being able to identify 

> the

> number of sounds in a word, identify where they are placed and be able to

> manipulate them.  I have a list of 10 questions/activities you can do with 

> a

> learner to check phonemic awareness skills if you are interested.

> Personally, I do not like using the term "dyslexia" as it is so often

> misunderstood.  Some people think that simply the tendency to reverse

> letters means one is dyslexic. I would rather just say that someone has

> difficulty processing language that manifests itself with difficulty in 

> the

> area of reading, writing, or whatever "language" area seems to be the

> problem.

>

> I don't know if I have answered your question or not.  Let me know.

>

> Betsy S. Gauss

>

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: "Katherine G" <Kgotthardt at comcast.net>

> To: "The Learning Disabilities Discussion List" <

> Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 5:20 PM

> Subject: [LearningDisabilities 1250] Re: Repeat

> Question -LDScreeningToolsfor Non Native Speakers

>

>

>> Hello--

>>

>> I have been "lurking" on this list for a bit, reading the postings and

>> gleaning information from people who have more assessment experience

>> working

>> with learning disabled adults than I do.  While I have worked with this

>> population and have provided accommodations in the live classroom, I have

>> not used screening tools, so this is new territory for me.  As a distance

>> education instructor, I often wonder about ESOL learners who may have

>> learning disabilities, how the two learning issues can be distinguished,

>> and

>> how I can further help them online.

>>

>> That being said, I have a general question about learning disabilities 

>> and

>> dyslexia.  If a learner has been diagnosed with a general learning

>> disability but has dyslexic tendencies, would the learner automatically 

>> be

>> considered dyslexic, or is dyslexia a separate learning disability unto

>> itself?

>>

>>

>> Katherine Mercurio Gotthardt

>>

>> ESOL Distance Education Instructor

>>

>> Prince William County Public Schools

>>

>> Adult Education

>>

>> P.O. Box 389

>>

>> Manassas, VA 20108

>>

>> 703-791-8387

>>

>> http://www.pwcs.edu/curriculum/adulted/

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: learningdisabilities-bounces at nifl.gov

>> [mailto:learningdisabilities-bounces at nifl.gov]On Behalf Of Glenn Young

>> Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 4:42 PM

>> To: 'The Learning Disabilities Discussion List'

>> Subject: [LearningDisabilities 1245] Re: Repeat Question -LD

>> ScreeningToolsfor Non Native Speakers

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> If you look at the web site for Ian Smythe, and the World Dyslexia 

>> Network

>> Foundation

>> http://www.wdnf.info/cvis.html and ask him this question you could get a

>> vastly more complete answer ... He works with researchers in some 45

>> countries concerning dyslexia and LD ... And several of these countries

>> have

>> developed local screens, including in Greek, Turkish, Arabic and Chinese

>> ..and there is also a European Dyslexia Association

>> http://www.dyslexia.eu.com/ they could perhaps provide you with more

>> answers

>> ...

>>

>> There was actually a conference in Cyprus on Multilingualism and

>> Dyslexia 3rd International Multilingualism and Dyslexia Conference,

>> Cyprus, July, 2005, where I presented ... And meet many of these

>> researchers ... Lots of fun ...

>>

>> So there is lots of interest in other languages  ... In these other

>> countries ...

>>

>> However ... More then one big note of caution ... 1) The screens from

>> other

>> nations have not been "normed" to meet US standards, and 2) the Screens

>> are

>> for dyslexia, only one of the many issues of LD in the US ... So the

>> screens

>> may only show a reading deficit in the native language, not necessarily a

>> deficit that is equivalent to the LD issues we have in the US.

>>

>> However ... Its good to now that there are peoples in other countries

>> trying

>> to meet the same needs we are .... You may want to pose the question to

>> those persons there who are working on these issues there ...

>>

>> OK

>>

>> Glenn Young

>> 530 Auburn Ave.

>> Buffalo, New York 14222

>> Ph. and Fax 716-882-2842

>> Cell 703-864-3755

>> e-mail gyoungxlt at adelphia.net

>>

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: learningdisabilities-bounces at nifl.gov

>> [mailto:learningdisabilities-bounces at nifl.gov] On Behalf Of Beverly

>> Cranmer

>> Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 2:03 PM

>> To: learningdisabilities at nifl.gov

>> Subject: [LearningDisabilities 1243] Re: Repeat Question - LD

>> ScreeningToolsfor Non Native Speakers

>>

>> Barbara,

>> I do not know the name of an instrument off hand, but I have received

>> documentation that was originally writen in another language.  I would

>> have

>> to check in my files to see what I am able to locate.  I do remember one

>> that was in Hebrew. I will see what instruments were used to determine

>> that

>> students disability.

>> Beverly Cranmer

>>

>> Beverly Cranmer

>> Coordinator of Disability Services

>> Broward Community College

>> Willis Holcombe Downtown Center

>> Bldg. 33 Room 114

>> 954-201-7655

>> bcranmer at broward.edu

>>

>> Please Note: Due to Florida's very broad public records law, most written

>> communications to or from College employees regarding College business 

>> are

>> public records, available to the public and media upon request. 

>> Therefore,

>> this email communication may be subject to public disclosure.

>>>>> akohring at utk.edu 05/30/07 3:52 PM >>>

>> Barbara,

>>

>>

>>

>> The only one I am aware of is the Empire State Screen for Spanish 

>> speaking

>> adults: http://www.ldaofwny.org/ESS%20Screeening.htm

>>

>>

>>

>> Aaron

>>

>>

>>

>> Aaron Kohring

>>

>> Research Associate

>>

>> UT Center for Literacy Studies

>>

>> 600 Henley St, Ste 312

>>

>> Knoxville, TN 37996-4135

>>

>> Ph: 865-974-4258

>>

>> Main: 865-974-4109

>>

>> Fax: 865-974-3857

>>

>> akohring at utk.edu

>>

>>

>>

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>> From: learningdisabilities-bounces at nifl.gov

>> [mailto:learningdisabilities-bounces at nifl.gov] On Behalf Of

>> RKenyon721 at aol.com

>> Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 3:22 PM

>> To: learningdisabilities at nifl.gov

>> Subject: [LearningDisabilities 1241] Repeat Question - LD Screening

>> Toolsfor

>> Non Native Speakers

>>

>>

>>

>> Hi,

>>

>>

>>

>> I am re-posting a question that was posted during the holiday weekend.

>> Up until now, there has been no response.  Does anyone have an answer to

>> this subscriber's question?

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> Hello,

>> I recently attended a wonderful academy presented by Rochelle Kenyon 

>> about

>> Adults with Learning Disabilities. As an ESOL (English for Speakers of

>> Other

>> Languages) Adult Educator, it concerned me that there are limited

>> screening

>> tests for adults whose first language is not English. Does anybody have 

>> LD

>> Adult screening tests in Creole/Haitian, Portuguese, Russian, Chinese or

>> any

>> other languages besides English?  It would be a great tool for those of 

>> us

>> who work with the ESOL adult population.

>>

>>

>> Thank you,

>>

>> Barbara Kushner

>> ESOL Instructor

>> Adult Education Center

>> West Palm Beach, Florida

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> Thanks,

>>

>>

>>

>> Rochelle

>>

>>

>>

>> Rochelle Kenyon

>> Moderator, NIFL/LINCS Learning Disabilities Discussion List Center for

>> Literacy Studies at the University of Tennessee RKenyon721 at aol.com

>>

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