Farewell address: Bush says he acted in nation's best interest

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Published January 15, 2009 at 4:08 p.m.
Updated January 16, 2009 at 5:58 a.m.

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President George W. Bush gives his farewell address Thursday night.

WASHINGTON — As Americans get ready to turn the page on George W. Bush, the president offered his own first draft of history.

Summarizing eight — and at times turbulent — years in office, Bush told the country that while his policies have been unpopular, there can be little debate about the results: "America has gone more than seven years without another terrorist attack on our soil."

In a farewell address to the nation Thursday night, Bush harkened back to the terrorist attacks on Sept. 11, 2001, a time when the public rallied around him and his approval ratings soared.

"As the years passed, most Americans were able to return to life much as it had been before 9/11," Bush said in a prime-time address from the East Room of the White House. "But I never did."

Leaving office with the highest disapproval rating since Richard Nixon, Bush said, "You may not agree with some of the tough decisions I have made, but I hope you can agree that I was willing to make the tough decisions."

A bookend to eight years indelibly marked by terrorism, two wars and recessions, the 13-minute speech was Bush's last opportunity to defend his record before leaving office on Tuesday. His next scheduled public appearance will be greeting President-elect Barack Obama on Inauguration Day.

Seemingly upbeat and confident, Bush called the inauguration of Obama, the first black president, a "moment of hope and pride" for America.

The nation's 43rd president remained defiant about his own record. He claimed foreign policy successes in Iraq and Afghanistan while crediting his administration for improving public schools, creating a new Medicare prescription drug benefit and finding more money for veterans. With the United States facing the worst financial crisis in generations — under his watch — Bush said his White House took "decisive measures" to safeguard the economy.

"Like all who have held this office before me, I have experienced setbacks," Bush said. "And there are things I would do differently if given the chance. Yet I have always acted with the best interests of our country in mind. I have followed my conscience and done what I thought was right."

Bravado gave way to nostalgia as soon as Bush left the podium.

He walked alone down the red-carpeted hallway toward the residence.

Then he returned to the room — full of about 200 Cabinet secretaries and allies, advisers and friends — still on their feet, cheering. Bush and first lady Laura Bush greeted the guests. Across the room, their daughter, Barbara, wiped tears away with both hands. Her twin sister, Jenna Hager, touched her on her shoulder as their father said his goodbye.

Bush's presidency began with the worst terrorist attack on U.S. soil and ends with the worst economic collapse since the 1930s.

"These are very tough times for hardworking families, but the toll would be far worse if we had not acted," he said. "All Americans are in this together. And together, with determination and hard work, we will restore our economy to the path of growth."

On national security, he highlighted his administration's efforts to equip the nation with new tools to monitor terrorists, freeze their assets and foil their plots. But he also acknowledged some of his controversial policies, including the terrorist surveillance program and harsh interrogation of suspected terrorists.

While there has not been another attack on U.S. soil, the number of terrorist acts around the world has increased, Iran has gained influence in the Mideast, North Korea still hasn't verifiably declared its nuclear work, anti-Americanism abroad has emboldened extremists' recruitment efforts and a safe haven for terrorists remains along the Pakistan-Afghanistan border.

Bush said he leaves with a "thankful heart." He expressed gratitude to his family. "Above all, I thank the American people for the trust you have given me."

That trust, however, has eroded over the years. His approval rating soared to 90 percent after the Sept. 11 attacks, but he's leaving office as a new Gallup Poll puts it at 34 percent.

That's up from 25 percent just before the November elections, reflecting a bump that presidents commonly get just before they leave office.

• January 15, 2009

  4:26 p.m.

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  freeman2night writes:

  Bush did, for the most part an OK job as President. He led the country during some of our most trying issues such as two wars, and the fallout resulting from 9/11.

  My only major gig was that, in my opinion, that he didn't do as much as I would have lied to stem the flow of illegal immigration.

  My second gig is that he supported the unconstitutional federal bail out of the private sector. The federal governmnet has no business with business.

  The Constitution is quite clear on the role of the federal government which is to simply:
  - coin money
  - run courts
  - provide for the common defense to 'raise' armies
  - operate a navy
  - regulate trade between the states

  That's pretty much it.

  The lawyers of our land will beg to differ only because they want to enjoy continued employment under the status que.

  With Obama's administration coming in we are going to see the federal government grow more, become more powerful, more intrusive, and more out of control.

  For people that thought Bush intruded on their rights, you haven't seen anything yet.

  The Democrats lead by Obama have begun, and will continue to destroy our country.

  Their alligance is to the all mighty dollar and power brockerage.

  Obama is a tyrant.

  http://www.usconstitution.net/

• January 15, 2009

  4:35 p.m.

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  RightDownTheMiddle writes:

  A darn shame he didn't act in "our nation's worst interest"....it might have turned out better.

  That man was utterly incapable of doing anything right.

  Worst. President. EVER. Period.

  Goodbye to bad rubbish....

• January 15, 2009

  4:39 p.m.

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  O_TRAIN writes:

  "You may not agree with some tough decisions I have made, but I hope you can agree that I was willing to make the tough decisions," Bush said.

  Is that like a Quaterback saying; "you may not agree with all the interceptions I've thrown, but I hope you can agree that I was willing to throw the ball" ????

  Like George Costanza said; It's not a lie if you believe it.

• January 15, 2009

  4:45 p.m.

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  Jeff writes:

  "As the years passed, most Americans were able to return to life much as it had been before 9/11, but I never did," Bush said. "Every morning, I received a briefing on the threats to our nation. And I vowed to do everything in my power to keep us safe."

  There's a real condescension to a lot of his statements, almost like he's chastising all of us. I don't see this speech doing anything to reverse his abysmal ratings or win over anyone other than those who stand by him no matter what.

• January 15, 2009

  4:47 p.m.

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  Buckwheat writes:

  He got elected to two terms...Someone had to vote for him twice. I've been around for awhile and I don't remember 14% interest rate during that time. And I had a job also. Lets hope we can say the same the next 4 or 8 yrs. I'am sure his hind sight is 20/20 and I surely didn't like sertain things he did. But I had a job, food on the table, and a roof over my head. Can't credit him for all that, but it could have been worst.

• January 15, 2009

  5:04 p.m.

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  Vector049 writes:

  Worst president ever.

• January 15, 2009

  5:05 p.m.

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  opinionatedcolo writes:

  How well you represent a typical Bush voter Buckwheat. You are ok so he was a good president. Ignore the 1.5 million jobs lost in the last six months, the deepest recession in a generation, the largest budget deficit in history, thousands of U.S. troops dead in a war started over weapons that did not exist, not to mention 100,000's of dead, wounded or displaced Iraqis, Afghanistan on the verge of collapse because we left far too soon, New Orleans left to drown, the justice department turned into a political cesspool, etc. etc etc. As long as you are ok, to he## with everyone else. Maybe for you it could have been worse, but for thousands here and millions abroad, it is hard to imagine how it could have been.

• January 15, 2009

  5:24 p.m.

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  Buckwheat writes:

  Well OP, I guess you're still here to voice your opinion, so you got nothing to beach about. I am sure that you live in the fantasy world of those that have forgotten 9/11. No there weren't any WMD's, but you're saying that we should have just not gone over at all and left things as they were so you could hide in your safe little world. Well that's to bad, but don't worry there are still people out there like myself willing to put it on the line so you can keep your own little fantasy world in tact.

• January 15, 2009

  5:29 p.m.

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  timeandagain writes:

  If everyone would just worry about themselves - as Buckwheat does - we would ALL be better off. Opinionated thinks everyone should worry about him - SELFISH!! Grab your own bootstraps OpinionatedColorado...we will all benefit.

• January 15, 2009

  5:37 p.m.

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  greenleaf writes:

  The truly sad thing is that he probably did believe that everything he did was in the countries best interests. I will never be a defender of Bush, but I believe that is his sincere, sad and totally ironic opinion. He was at his best immediately after 9/11 and mostly up through the invasion of Afghanistan. It all began to fall apart with Iraq. Now we look back on 2 terms filled with mistakes, bravado;and an arrogant refusal to accept blame for most of the miscalculations made on his watch.

  I almost feel sorry for him now as he attempts to rationalize his presidency to the American people. Almost.

• January 15, 2009

  6:02 p.m.

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  HankReardon writes:

  The Nation's Best Interest:

  http://www.freedomcounter.com/

• January 15, 2009

  6:07 p.m.

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  brentmeister writes:

  Good Riddance - I'm ashamed I voted for him twice, I've learned from my mistakes - Ron Paul 2012!!!

  RIP US Constitution

  Article. II. - The Executive Branch

  The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to Grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.

  He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law: but the Congress may by Law vest the Appointment of such inferior Officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the Courts of Law, or in the Heads of Departments.

  The President shall have Power to fill up all Vacancies that may happen during the Recess of the Senate, by granting Commissions which shall expire at the End of their next Session.

• January 15, 2009

  6:07 p.m.

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  sawzallartist writes:

  Did everyone in the room have to take of their shoes before Bush would come out for his speech?

• January 15, 2009

  6:12 p.m.

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  Now_You_Know writes:

  Hands down the worst Pres we ever had. I can’t believe people voted for him "Twice"
  That war time genius, he thinks he is makes me sick. I ask all the neo-cons what Jr. did in eight years that was not a screw up or a failure. A town in Texas is missing its idiot!

• January 15, 2009

  6:17 p.m.

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  freeman2night writes:

  Obama will be the worst in history.

  The corruption of his party and his friends will see to that.

  At least President Bush did what he thought was right.

  Obama has no moral compus.

• January 15, 2009

  6:25 p.m.

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• January 15, 2009

  6:29 p.m.

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  NoPCme2 writes:

  A good and decent man, but flawed president has said good-bye. Ascending to the seat is someone of bad character and evil ways; a cynical and immoral man. Americans will find this out the hard way. Obama's will be the most corrupt of any administration in U.S. history.

• January 15, 2009

  6:46 p.m.

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  watcher1 writes:

  This man acted in the interest of capitalism, only. Everything else is a blatant lie. Insert "Capitalism" whenever he spoke the words "democracy" or "freedom". On the other hand, GWB in his own clumsy way, exposed what America really stands for, and has stood for over the past 200+ years: A rouge, aggressive state that needs to be stopped.

  I thought I knew America. It took one GWB to really expose it for what it is: The worst, most powerful kind of evil the world has ever known.

  Boy, was I wrong.

• January 15, 2009

  6:48 p.m.

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  SDaedalus writes:

  "As the years passed, most Americans were able to return to life much as it had been before 9/11, but I never did," Bush said. "Every morning, I received a briefing on the threats to our nation. And I vowed to do everything in my power to keep us safe."

  Too bad Bush didn't adopt this practice during the first 9 months of his presidency.

  I'm glad that a second terrorist strike didn't happen on American soil on Bush's watch, but that's a pretty low bar that even Clinton managed to achieve, and I don't remember Clinton or his supporters mentioning it as one of his major accomplishments.

• January 15, 2009

  6:49 p.m.

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  gs writes:

  I'd call Bush the anti-Nevel Chamberlain (sorry about the spelling) the Hitler appeaser. The only question I think we can ask is; what did we avoid because of what Bush did? And I don't know that answer. If we have a predominately peaceful world for the next 100 years maybe Bush did the right thing. If not, maybe no.

• January 15, 2009

  7:18 p.m.

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  bronco writes:

  Some of you people out there are ridiculous. Where do you come from? Are you Inbred? Do you live in a cave somewhere near Delta or Blackhawk? Conservatism is a disease that needs to be wiped out like the Taliban. Bush and his gang of criminals bankrupted this country, are responsible for thousands of dead Iraqis and Americans, had more curruption and scandal than any president EVER, and thats only the begining. How rich do you think Cheney and Co. got off Iraq alone. You bitc# about immigration, taxes ect. yet your born-again "Savior" did NOTHING about it. He tore this nation apart and you still support him. PATHETIC!!!!!!!! GO away back to church or wherever you come from. Whatever is the antithesis of this piece of scum I welcome with open arms.

• January 15, 2009

  7:39 p.m.

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  GetReal writes:

  bronco-

  You forgot how he fired up his evil weather machine to kill black people in New Orleans and also how he personally strapped the bombs to the twin towers.

  Get some professional help.

• January 15, 2009

  8:07 p.m.

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  bushmaster writes:

  will go down as one of the best ever. Terrorist, radical Hussein Obama takes over in five days...God help us.

• January 15, 2009

  8:20 p.m.

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  HolierThanThou writes:

  A tough decision only happens when the outcome brings unpleasant results to you personally. Bush never made a tough decision in his life.

  A tough decision is when you must choose between medicine and rent.

  Tough decisions happen to people whose jobs were stolen. When you must choose between feeding your kids or yourself then you've made a tough decision. When you cannot afford car insurance but must still drive to job interviews then you make tough decisions.

  Poor people make tough decisions. Rich people have choices.

  Bush was born with silver spoon in hand. Very few presidents who come from privilege make good ones. Franklin Delano Roosevelt was one noteworthy exception. He started making tough decisions when he was paralyzed by polio. John F. Kennedy made tough decisions when PT-109 was sunk.

  The attack on September 11, 2001 was a gift to Bush. Without that, he would have been a one-term wonder. Dwight D. Eisenhower made tough decisions fighting the Nazis. If his invasion plan had failed, it could have spelled the end of our civilization. Terrorists kill people but they cannot take over countries like the Nazis did. Terrorists can take over provinces like South Waziristan. Bush blundered into Iraq instead of finishing the job in Afghanistan. That was not a tough decision. That was a stupid decision excepting for the fact that Bush, Cheney, and the rest of their cronies have made a lot of money at the expense of US taxpayers.

  My favorite bumper sticker says it all, "January 20, 2009 -- The End of an Error"

• January 15, 2009

  8:32 p.m.

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  jrpettus writes:

  "As the years passed, most Americans were able to return to life much as it had been before 9/11, but I never did," Bush said. "Every morning, I received a briefing on the threats to our nation. And I vowed to do everything in my power to keep us safe."

  Now if only he had done that BEFORE 9/11 and made more of an effort to prevent terrorist attacks rather than planning his ill-advised invasion of Iraq.

  And if only he hadn't decided that the "Constitution is just a g*******d piece of paper" and treated it like toilet paper.

  And if only he hadn't made it easier for his wealthy buddies to enrich themselves further at the expense of everyone by crashing the economy.

  Worst.President.Ever. No doubt. Good riddance.

• January 15, 2009

  8:46 p.m.

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  INC writes:

  George Bush you truly believe you upheld the constitution.
  knowing this.
  I Vomited.

  you should be in orange scrubs walking like a penguin. in body chains. awaiting trial for war crimes. you have sullied the greatness of America. Traitor.

• January 15, 2009

  8:53 p.m.

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  DenverTea writes:

  Buckwheat, you cannot see the forest for the bushes. You are an idiot. We didn't need to go where we did for the war, and didn't stay where we probably needed to. The Shrub administrations policies and actions Fueled greater terrorism throughout the world. I am not sorry he is leaving, I am ecstatic. I agree: Worst President Ever - twice.

• January 15, 2009

  8:53 p.m.

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  Cartman writes:

  HolierThanThou writes:
  "A tough decision is when you must choose between medicine and rent.:

  Poor people get free medicine and healthcare in the US.

  "When you must choose between feeding your kids or yourself then you've made a tough decision"

  Poor people get free food in the US too. You make it sound like we live in a 3rd world country, do you think it is really that bad? I haven't seen to many poor people in the US die of hunger, have you? If anything they are overly obese.
  
  "Poor people make tough decisions. Rich people have choices."

  Last time I checked everyone in America has a choice, just depends on if one decides to make correct positive choices that benefit one's future.

  And by the way, Obama's greatest gift so far is a recession during and after a failed Bush administration.

• January 15, 2009

  9:13 p.m.

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  SheikYurBooty writes:

  He kept us safe for the last 7.25 years in office. And he even started reading all those boring briefing papers (PDBs) after 9/11, while we all got to go shopping thanks to his diligence. Of course the Bush-haters will chime in, but these facts can't be denied...

• January 15, 2009

  9:17 p.m.

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  bronco writes:

  On Bush's last day there's a plan crash, How fitting!

• January 15, 2009

  9:26 p.m.

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  Cartman writes:

  HolierThanThou writes:
  "When you cannot afford car insurance but must still drive to job interviews then you make tough decisions."

  There are other decisions like riding the bus, bike, or car pooling than breaking the law. You would think twice about that statement if you were involved in an accident with a person having no insurance.

  "Terrorists kill people but they cannot take over countries like the Nazis did."

  Terrorists have proven they can kill over 3 thousand people on US soil, and cripple an economy in the aftermath. Not to mention the tens of thousands they have killed worldwide in the past 8 years.

  These 2 statements alone tell me you are pro-criminal and pro-terrorist, your parents must be so proud!

• January 15, 2009

  9:32 p.m.

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  dftoad writes:

  And now we are on to an Administration with an Attorney General who frees terrorists and traitors, and a Treasury Secretary who does not pay his taxes. The last honest man is leaving the building folks.

• January 15, 2009

  9:44 p.m.

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  taoistblockhead writes:

  Bush and Cheney - War Criminals on the run, come January 20th... Pardon or no pardon those traitors to the Constitution will be tried and prosecuted for war crimes.

• January 15, 2009

  9:45 p.m.

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  EastVail writes:

  George Bush. Worse president ever.

• January 15, 2009

  9:59 p.m.

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  purplewolf writes:

  "Bush was an embarrassment, every single day. He brought tremendous amounts of shame each and every time he opened his mouth. He seems to thrive on stubbornness and a lack of knowledge. On several occasions, he was obviously drunk in public. He had the intellectual curiosity of a rodent. He used the phrase “It’s hard work” to describe the office of the president so many times, one had to wonder why he took the job. He was so vindictive, he outed a CIA agent. He made torture, a practice America once hung people for, legal. He spied on Americans without warrants. His inept choices caused the death of hundreds during Hurricane Katrina, while America watched on television. He took us to war using lies and manipulation. He politicized the Justice Department and, therefore, the rule of law. He kidnapped and held foreigners without charges.

• January 15, 2009

  10:01 p.m.

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  purplewolf writes:

  "He backed out of the Kyoto Protocol, making America look like the backwards hick of the world. He attacked nearly every environmental law that exists. He removed emails from the White House system, breaking the law under the White House Records Act. He’s committed war crimes. He allowed massive neglect of our veterans in hospitals. He failed in Afghanistan, the actual place where the terrorists trained. He mishandled North Korea, which lead to the country creating nukes. He created a massive mercenary army and privatized military support services, leading to price gouging, tainted food and water, slavery, corruption and murder. He allowed the energy companies to write U.S. energy policy and Enron was the result. He created the failure known as the Homeland Security Department. He gave tax cuts to the richest Americans during wartime and created massive deficits. He filled judicial appointments with corporate loving judges. He turned Medicare into a time bomb. He failed miserably on healthcare. He destroyed America’s image around the world. His policies led to Hamas taking over the Gaza Strip. He took no action to bring peace to the Israel-Palestine conflict. He refused to fund stem cell research. He encouraged the FDA to allow businesses to self-police. He filled consumer oversight positions with businessmen. He restricted the effectiveness of the EPA. He created a demoralizing and partisan atmosphere at the CIA under Peter Goss. He signed thousands of signing statements to bills. He devastated the National Guard. He overextended and broke the Army. He pushed for and signed the Grassley bankruptcy bill. He allowed Mexican trucks to enter the US without regard for safety or environmental standards. He gave us The Patriot Act. He waged a war on science. He paid for American journalists to write propaganda. He destroyed the labor department. He ignored a report on Bin Laden in August 2001. He declared ground zero non-toxic when it was not. He took health care money meant for ground zero workers back. His mining friendly policies led to the Sago mining disaster. He nominated Harriet Miers for the Supreme Court in just one of many acts of cronyism. He allowed heath care providers to turn away patients based on religious beliefs. He weakened pollution controls and opened forests to logging. He antagonized Russia by making a ballistic missile agreement with Poland. He deregulated the markets and pushed for a “home ownership” society leading to the housing crash. He allowed Enron to gut California. He violated the Hatch Act by using the GSA to promote Republican candidates. He brought Karl Rove into power. He obliterated the Civil Rights Division at the White House and oppressed minority voting. He created the disaster known as No Child Left Behind. He sent Paul Wolfowitz to run the World Bank with predictable and terrible results. He attempted to politicize Public Broadcasting.

• January 15, 2009

  10:01 p.m.

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  purplewolf writes:

  He used America’s terrorist warning system for political advantage, gave Medals Of Freedom to men who oversaw the epic failure known as the Iraq War. He allowed aggressive proselytizing by Christian evangelical faculty and cadets at the US Air Force Academy, had White House officials re-write scientific reports. He created a totally ineffective and expensive non-continuous fence along the US-Mexican border. He “bungled” oil leases, which will cost American taxpayers up to 9.8 billion dollars. He punished military attorney’s who successfully defended detainees. He created a secret court. He halted the phase out of the environmentally devastating gasoline additive MTBE. He kept failure Donald Rumsfeld in office way past his ripe date. Created enormous tax breaks for idiots to buy Hummers. He failed to properly provide soldiers with armor. He vetoed SCHIP. He put Katrina victims in toxic trailers. He made sure there were no audits of Iraq private contracts. He gutted the Consumer Products Safety Commission. He gave a grant of $43 million on May 17, 2001 to the Taliban government for its efforts to eradicate opium production. He stopped the release summaries of National Intelligence Estimates (NIEs) to the public. He created “Free Speech Zones” for protestors. He destroyed tapes of torture. He oversaw a massive decline in employment. He sent to dollar plummeting to new lows. Sent John Bolton, who hated the UN, to the UN as ambassador. He buried negative reports on Iraq reconstruction, pollution in the Great Lakes and privatizing US intelligence. He turned the SEC from a watchdog organization of Wall Street to a co-criminal. Due to a lack of oversight, Bush lost $10.7 billion in Iraq. His de-regulation of the foreign crude oil markets allowed speculators to drive up oil prices to new heights. His total lack of oversight on the bank bailout did nothing to solve the crisis."

• January 15, 2009

  10:02 p.m.

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  purplewolf writes:

  Take your pick--

  "Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo, Katrina, FISA, the Patriot Act, Stevens, DeLay, Abramoff, Enron, Worldcomm, 9-11, Gonzalez, Rove, CEO bail outs, Plamegate, loss of Habeus Corpus, Shredding of the Constitution, $4 gas, Voter caging in Ohio and Florida, racism against illegal immigrants, LGBT hate crimes, "Mission Accomplished", 1 Million+ Iraqi civilian causalities, 1 Million+ Casualties and refugees in Sudan/Darfur, 10,000 fold increase in heroin production, the worst "Dollar" in American history, 6.1% unemployment (conservative), tent cities, 40 Million+ uninsured, Walter Reed, Drill our way out, from the most respected to the most hated citizens on Earth, Coalition of the Billing, multi-billion dollar profits for Big Oil, mulit-billion dollar contracts for Halliburton, the most secretive gvt in modern history, commuting of sentences for convicted traitors, Supreme court standing by big business, Gulf War Syndrome vets class action lawsuit quashed, Abstinence Only education, public schools failing our children, bridges collapsing in Minnesota, our highway and infrastructure in complete disarray, the fight for Net Neutrality, 8,000 dead Americans."

  He MUST be put on trial for war crimes to save any dignity in the history books for the United States of America.
  The only thing we poor people had in this country was the Constitution and Bush has destroyed even that.

• January 15, 2009

  10:06 p.m.

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  Roymance writes:

  George Bush did me the greatest favor of all. I thank him for that. I will never vote republican again. They have effectively "starved the beast" as reagan would have put it, and now this nation is in a world of hurt. The bush admin along with a republican lead congress rang up more debt than all the past presidents combined (remember the surplus he was given at the start). Who owns that debt? What will they want in return? They also expanded the government more than any president in my lifetime under the stupid umbrella of "homeland security." Obama might be a bad president, but that is because his hands are tied he has very limited choices. In the words of the GWB "They misunderestimated me." Yes they did george. You are by far the worst, off the scale the worst president ever. May the world forgive you. I probably won't. Good riddance.

• January 15, 2009

  10:11 p.m.

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  job2do writes:

  Interestingly, while Bush should go down as one of the worst presidents of the modern era in my opinion, he is at least 10% points better than Congress, led by the likes of Pelosi, Reid, Frank, and Dodd. Go figure!

• January 15, 2009

  10:15 p.m.

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  Cartman writes:

  Purplewolf,

  I am not a Bush fan, but your cut & paste list is insanely inaccurate, google much? maybe you should invest in a life.

• January 15, 2009

  10:28 p.m.

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  bronco writes:

  Cartman??? What is insanely inaccurate? I keenly remember practically all of those Bush F-ups that purplewolf so kindly reminded us of.

• January 15, 2009

  10:33 p.m.

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  NoPCme2 writes:

  Purplewolf: Print that stuff you posted then ball it up and stick it up your as*s. Moron.

• January 15, 2009

  10:39 p.m.

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  fwilkin1 writes:

  Purplewolfs posts may have been cut and paste....but what he posted looks to be on the money...when you do "google it".
  bush rating in the 20s reflects not just his popularity.
  What he did to pass on with Genetically modified food is unthinkable...and folks can't figure out why they are obese.

• January 15, 2009

  10:41 p.m.

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  Barron writes:

  Cartman purplewolf posted so much info, and you called it inaccurate, could you be specific?

  Bush was an embarrasment to this country, and while I wish him well I'm ecstatic to see him go. I've been counting down the days. It will take us years to undo the damage he did to our reputation in the world and to our treasury. Someone above actually said "the last honest man has left the room" and caused me laugh to tears. Obviously this poster hasn't paid any attention for the past eight years.

• January 15, 2009

  10:56 p.m.

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  k2ken45 writes:

  FOUL!
  I said it first, in 2004 when the debates came to Tempe, Az. I walked around downtown all night with a sign that read "Worst administration ever".
  As for people re-electing him, Rove found a wedge issue- boys kissing boys, and this country re-elected him because of fear and hate.

• January 15, 2009

  11:08 p.m.

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  Jonjonmon writes:

  If I were Bush, I'd say "good riddance. This job stinks. I get blamed for doing the right thing. I get blamed for doing the wrong thing. As for you, Obama, I hope you can fulfill all your promises because, as all the other presidents have found out, It's not as easy as it looks, pal."

• January 15, 2009

  11:42 p.m.

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• January 15, 2009

  11:51 p.m.

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  Openminded1 writes:

  Why do the repubs try to predict the diaster of our nation because their candidate lost, and they call themselves americans. Do they really want to see america fall. If it does where in the he// do they think they will live. As long as they can say i told you so. How Stupid

• January 16, 2009

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  joggle writes:

  I don't know if Bush is the worst president ever. I don't enough about all of the presidents to be able to make such a claim (heck, I can really only compare him to half of the presidents we've had, I don't know hardly anything about the rest).

  But of the presidents I do have knowledge of he is certainly the worst of the lot. There are so many things he could have and should have done better. Sure, things are clear with 20/20 vision but there were many things he was told about ahead of time that should have influenced his decision making (the clear warning about Al Qaeda being determined to strike America before the 9/11 attack, the advice from a 4 star general that they needed many more troops in Iraq that was dismissed out of hand before the invasion, the explicit warning by the chief weapons inspector in Iraq that they would not find any WMD there, etc). If he or his administration heard something they didn't like they simply ignored it (or worse).

  Worst president and worst administration since I've been alive for sure. I like the statement by that one guy "things could be worse". Well guess what, they WILL be worse no matter what. We are nowhere near the bottom of this economic disaster and it cannot be stopped at this point in time, only mitigated. Nevertheless I'm sure you will be ready to put the full blame on Obama the day he steps into office and doesn't magically fix the economy or stabilize it.

• January 16, 2009

  12:49 a.m.

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  Reality__Check writes:

  The challenge for new Obama administration is like a new crew taking over the sinking Titanic AFTER it's already been rammed into the iceberg, over and over again, by a drunken, maniacal incompetent captain who swears screaming into the darkness "it can't sink", "I know what's best", "stay the course" "mission accomplished" "yeeeee haaaaaaaa!".

  The total disaster that the Criminal Bu$h Mob has created in the US may be beyond repair or salvation, certainly not in 4 short years. And the real tragedy is the talent, time and $$ wasted having to clean up the mess that the idiot chimp Bush has left, just to get back to ground zero. Had Obama and the Democrats inherited Nation that was as successful, prosperous, strong and respected as the one Clinton handed to the stammering imbecile Bu$h, some truly amazing progress could have been made, not just for the US, but for all of humanity.

  The Bu$h administration will forever be remembered in the ash heap of history with the same deserved disdain and contempt as Nixon's corrupt administration, only slightly above that of Hitler's Reich.

• January 16, 2009

  12:53 a.m.

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  1world writes:

  I disagree with everything Freeman2 said (twice) because he has no basis for his statements. There is just nothing for him to judge Obama on, but we can all judge Bush for the past 8 years. Instead of arguing with Freeman2, I will just leave it as I have stated above and not argue. I have learned to never argue with... people might not know the difference
  We have had a kakistocracy for the past 8 years and I am excited to see some intelligence enter the White House again. History will NOT judge Bush favorably. There was very little he did that was good for the country and yet he is still not smart enough to realize he was that incompetent. It is just a prime example of the "Peter Principle" (when a person rises to the level of their incompetence).
  Good riddance!

• January 16, 2009

  1:16 a.m.

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  longpasttime writes:

  "This man acted in the interest of capitalism, only. Everything else is a blatant lie. Insert "Capitalism" whenever he spoke the words "democracy" or "freedom". On the other hand, GWB in his own clumsy way, exposed what America really stands for, and has stood for over the past 200+ years: A rouge, aggressive state that needs to be stopped.

  I thought I knew America. It took one GWB to really expose it for what it is: The worst, most powerful kind of evil the world has ever known.

  Boy, was I wrong."

  Ever hear of Hitler... Pol Pot... Stalin... Saddam Hussein... Idi Amin... Attila the Hun... Mao Tse Tung....... And America is the worst evil ever?!!!

• January 16, 2009

  6:29 a.m.

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  brentmeister writes:

  For the libs, please stop thinking of bush as a conservative! He's damaged what it means to be a conservative, and in no way, shape, or form ever held any conservative beliefs. Obama will be 4 (at least) more years of the same unconstitutional levels of government topped with unprecedented levels of corruption.

• January 16, 2009

  6:51 a.m.

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  RockiesWin writes:

  Great President!

  Thanks for keeping us safe!!!

• January 16, 2009

  7:09 a.m.

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  Hragel writes:

  To you LYING SONS OF [redacted] who have accused President Bush of "illegal wiretapping", I want to shove this new report by the FISA Court right up your oversized arses (oversized because they were kept safe by men and women FAR better than you and me):

  "In a major August 2008 decision released yesterday in redacted form, the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court of Review, the FISA appellate panel, affirmed the government's Constitutional authority to collect national-security intelligence without judicial approval."

  Your LIES about this man have been allowed to lay unchallenged in the public forum, many times because to come out and prove your lies wrong, valuable intelligence sources and methods would have been compromised. We who have stood by this man steadfastly for eight long years of slander, sedition and outright treason by the Bush-deranged Left knew all along that the truth would eventually out and he would be vindicated.

  You look at your Magic Messiah praising VP Cheney's anti-terrorism philosophy yesterday.

  You look at the FISA Court backing the President's Constitutional authority to the hilt.

  You look at your Magic Messiah keeping intact the Bush national defense team.

  Now look at yourself in the mirror, you lying Islamofascist Fifth Columnists.

  Mr. President, THANK YOU. You and I have disagreed on many occasions, many times you just didn't go as far in the war as I and many Americans had wished, but overall, you served with dignity, honor, and in absolute respect for the nation, for its people (even for the scumbags who slandered you with every accusation they could fabricate), and for its Constitution.

  You stood with that firefighter in the wreckage of Jamie Gorelick's 9/11, and you said, "I hear you, America hears you, and pretty soon, the entire WORLD will hear you!"

  One can be certain: In the aftermath of the most brutal attack against our civilians in American history, the United States responded by bringing over 70 million human beings to Freedom.

  Thank you, President of the United States of America George W Bush.

• January 16, 2009

  7:12 a.m.

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  danirobi writes:

  Bronco- You're an idiot! Bush's last day is on Tuesday and he had nothing to do with that plane crash in NY. But you being so blind to everything, probably blame Bush for every little problem you have.

  Thank you President Bush for keeping America safe and staying true to your convictions!

• January 16, 2009

  7:19 a.m.

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  Astro1 writes:

  As a life-long conservative, my assessment is this: GW Bush let his genuine desire to keep America and her citizens safe lead him to drop the ball in almost all other areas.

  There simply are too many areas of need that were totally neglected, areas such as the economy, job training for the poor, immigration reform and stemming the flow of illegal aliens, health care reform, national infrastructure concerns, reasonable oversight of banking, reduction of the national debt, primary education reform, pushing renewable energy research, addressing dire concerns about genetically modified foods, developing acceptable stem cell research guidelines, and the list goes on and on.

  There is no reason to go into specifics in trying to convince anyone of his failings in most other areas, and nobody can argue that we haven't suffered another tragedy like 911, and for this I am thankful. But the President's job is to "lead". He or she can hire pretty much as many advisers, add responsibilities and personnel to just about any of the federal offices, and most other things to ensure that work moves forward on many fronts for the good of the people and the nation. But it seems that almost all efforts went into the hunt for terrorists, work which needed (and still needs) to be done, and done well, but not to the exclusion of all else.

  I don't believe he neglected these other areas intentionally, he simply didn't know how to deal with so many competing priorities. It might be compared to one of us, concerned about some of the people on the street breaking into our house and harming us and our family, so we stay at home with the loaded shotgun all day, every day, peeking out the window, listening to conversations out there with our Miracle Ear, watching everyone's movements, even our children in case they've been coerced by someone at school to do something that might provide an "in" for the bad guys - and in our good intentions we drop the ball, lose our job, our house is behind and the other bills haven't been paid.

  GW Bush might have had great intentions, but he certainly wasn't a good leader, plain and simple. It's going to take some time to clean up the mess, and I think all we can do is to get behind the new president and everyone pitch in with what they can do.

• January 16, 2009

  7:23 a.m.

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  LoneTreeLady75 writes:

  Well said Astro. As a Libertarian, I completely agree with you.

• January 16, 2009

  7:23 a.m.

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  INC writes:

  The airplane ditching in the Hudson river was the result of a competent Pilot. who used his YEARS of competent flying. to competently put that airplane down with no loss of life...
  see a pattern there?

  George Bush thwarting another terrorist attack, was a miracle.

• January 16, 2009

  7:23 a.m.

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  Hragel writes:

  Well, we had a lengthy cut-and-paste from the BDS side, now here is a cut-and-paste from today's Wall Street Journal:

  "The Wiretap Vindication"
  FISA Sets The Record Straight."

  "Ever since the Bush Administration's warrantless wiretapping program was exposed in 2005, critics have denounced it as illegal and unconstitutional. Those allegations rested solely on the fact that the Administration did not first get permission from the special court created by the 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. Well, as it happens, the same FISA court would beg to differ.

  "In a major August 2008 decision released yesterday in redacted form, the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court of Review, the FISA appellate panel, affirmed the government's Constitutional authority to collect national-security intelligence without judicial approval. The case was not made public before yesterday, and its details remain classified. An unnamed telecom company refused to comply with the National Security Agency's monitoring requests and claimed the program violated the Fourth Amendment's restrictions on search and seizure.

  "But the Constitution bans only "unreasonable" search and seizure, not all searches and seizures, and the Fourth Amendment allows for exceptions such as those under a President's Article II war powers. The courts have been explicit on this point. In 1980, the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals held in Truong that "the Executive need not always obtain a warrant for foreign intelligence surveillance." The FISA appeals court said in its 2002 opinion In re Sealed Case that the President has "inherent authority to conduct warrantless searches to obtain foreign intelligence information" and took "for granted" that "FISA could not encroach on the President's constitutional power."

  "FISA established a process by which certain domestic wiretaps in the context of the Cold War could be approved, not a limit on what wiretaps were ever allowed. Though the decision applies only to the stopgap FISA measure in place between 2007 and 2008, it sets a precedent.

  "For all the political hysteria and media dishonesty about George W. Bush "spying on Americans," this fight was never about anything other than staging an ideological raid on the President's war powers. Barack Obama ought to be thankful that the FISA court has knocked the bottom out of this gambit, just in time for him to take office."

  http://online.wsj.com/article/SB12320...

  He told the truth and did the right thing.

  Facts are inconvenient truths.

• January 16, 2009

  7:24 a.m.

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  zygspytz writes:

  NoPCme2 writes:

  Purplewolf: Print that stuff you posted then ball it up and stick it up your as*s. Moron.
  **************
  such defiance and hostility?! Do me a favor. Let us know, out of the things that Purplewolf posted there, what all is so inaccurate that it rubs your craw the wrong way.

• January 16, 2009

  7:28 a.m.

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  Hragel writes:

  Let us not forget the immortal words of the great Roman orator Cicero, from the waning days of the Roman Republic:

  "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and he carries his banners openly. But the traitor moves among those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the galleys, heard in the very hall of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor—he speaks in the accents familiar to his victims, and wears their face and their garment, and he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation—he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of a city—he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to be feared."

  Cicero, 42 B.C.

• January 16, 2009

  7:30 a.m.

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  Hragel writes:

  "The men that American people admire most extravagantly are the most daring liars; the men they detest the most violently are those who try to tell them the truth." -- H L Mencken

• January 16, 2009

  7:38 a.m.

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  T1anda writes:

  Get ready for Obama Trauma!

• January 16, 2009

  7:44 a.m.

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  taoistblockhead writes:

  “Political Ponerology: A Science on the Nature of Evil Adjusted for Political Purposes” by Andrew M. Lobaczewski.

  http://carolynbaker.net/site/content/...

  Lobaczewski asserts that every society should teach its members proper thinking skills and how to detect the red flags of sociopathy. Teaching critical thinking skills in the educational process is one step in that direction, but in America's No Child Left Behind gargantuan dumbing down project; even this first step is overwhelmingly absent.

  The author states that "an ever-strengthening network of psychopathic and related individuals gradually starts to dominate, overshadowing the others." (192) This situation rapidly devolves into a pathocracy or a system wherein a small pathological minority takes control over a society of normal people. (193) The book's editor, Laura Knight-Jadczyk, in her footnotes does not hesitate to name Karl Rove, Richard Cheney, and Donald Rumsfeld, under the tutelage of Leo Strauss, as principal players in America's twenty-first century pathocracy. Tragically, according to the author, "Pathocracy progressively paralyzes everything [and]...progressively intrudes everywhere and dulls everything."(195)

  If this all sounds very grim, and it is, Lobaczewski encourages us by emphasizing that, "If the ponerogenic activity of pathological factors - deviant individuals and their activities - is subjected to conscious controls of a scientific, individual, and societal nature, we can counteract evil as effectively as by means of persistent calls to respect moral values." (180) In other words, the author insists, crusading for moral values alone, can neither prevent nor expose ponerogenic activity. In fact, he asserts, it can exacerbate such activity by distracting attention from the most ghastly forms of evil to that which is not evil at all or presents with a more complex and less blatant quality. We have only to witness the ideology and rhetoric of the religious right in this country to observe a stellar example of the latter. Professing to be a "culture of life" it is implacably obsessed with death, apocalyptic violence, hell fire and brimstone. It serves no purpose, essentially, in the current milieu but to foster and perpetuate pathocracy.

  Political Ponerology is an invaluable work that every human being striving to become conscious, should read, not only for its expose of the pathology of the individuals currently in control of the United States government, but also the light it may shed on individuals closer to home, some of whom may be friends, fellow-activists, business or civic leaders. The book's purpose is not to incite paranoia, but to cultivate discernment and buttress our trust of our innate intuition in order to navigate the daunting manifestations of evil that surround us in the twenty-first century.

• January 16, 2009

  8:03 a.m.

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  dilligaf writes:

  The only interest this criminal looked out for was Haliburton and the rest of the industrial war machine. CEO's bonuses are base on profits they bring in. It will be interesting to know what Bush and his VP's take will be. It will take some washing first to get the blood off.

• January 16, 2009

  8:06 a.m.

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  HolierThanThou writes:

  Poor George W. Bush making all those "tough" decisions. Nothing ever worked out for him. Poor George. So sad...

  Now Crawford can have its Connecticut-born Rove-trained Texan back. Maybe he'll even get some cattle to go with his hat. If his speech is any indication of what his ghost-written memoirs will be like, it's going to be the biggest conservative pity pot on planet Earth.

• January 16, 2009

  8:07 a.m.

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  mytwosense writes:

  As a nod to some of his supporters on this thread, I will summon up every bit of diplomacy I can and mention a few good things that do come to mind about Bush:

  1) He has set aside huge areas of the ocean for environmental protection, in both 2006 and 2009. As difficult as it may be to believe, this is reportedly the biggest such marine protection endeavor than any other politician has done before:
  http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13300363/
  http://businessmirror.com.ph/index.ph...

  2) He also reportedly has given more money to fight AIDS in Africa than any other president.

  3) He did make it possible for seniors to get Medicare-covered prescriptions, although I wish he'd included allowances for Medicare to negotiate with the pharmaceutical companies instead of forbidding this.

  4) He clearly loves his daughters, wife, and dogs. I've found that people who have and love their pets usually have at least some good in them!

• January 16, 2009

  8:25 a.m.

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  mytwosense writes:

  I'm referring to his dogs as his pets, not his wife and daughters as well. That reads a little oddly.

• January 16, 2009

  8:27 a.m.

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  drkenne writes:

  The criminal Bush was an incompetent, lying, and corrupt president who should have been subject to impeachment proceedings (that’s if the democrats had a spine). Initially, that is right after 9/11, his response to the attack was appropriate; however, he squandered so much world goodwill and cooperation by leading us into the illegal and trumped up war in Iraq so his political cronies could benefit. I hope the democrats finally find some backbone and investigate the Bush administration’s abuses so this never happens again. No one is above the law and it’s up to the people to hold our elected officials accountable. Make an example of the criminal Bush. Afterall, he did far worse things then having sex with an intern.

• January 16, 2009

  8:28 a.m.

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• January 16, 2009

  8:30 a.m.

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  SheikYurBooty writes:

  It was a tragic day for humanity when W learned that you could simply assert something over and over, to others but mainly to yourself, and it thereby would become "true" in your own mind. Bush has spoken power to truth most of his adult life and now he wouldn't know truth if it slapped him in the face.

  To his credit though, he did prevent large scale attacks on US soil for the last 7.25 years of his term.

• January 16, 2009

  8:33 a.m.

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• January 16, 2009

  8:48 a.m.

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  LockNLoad writes:

  For you lib socialists:

  GW is basically a good guy who made some decision that others didn't agree with. It is the Dems and the Drive-by-media that tried to portray him and Chaney as "evil" with no regard for civil rights. His credibility has been attacked form the moment he was voted into office. It has already been shown in the past several elections that the Democrats use tactics that steal elections. (ACORN, illegals and dead people voting, etc)

  The ones who should be ashamed are the Democrats. Corruption has been running rampent in their organization for some time but they don't hold themselves to teh same standard that the Republicans do, and they are dodging their involvement in the financial crisis. Have you ever wondered why there are not congressional hearings on the financial and housing failures? Their hands are all over this mess. Bush warned Barny Frank, Chuckie Shumer, and Chris Dodd of the impending problem two years before it happened.

  Frankly, Bush did protect us for almost seven years. 9/11 occured as a result of policies from the Clinton administration that prevented agencies from sharing information and their inaction on actionable intellegence. Ok, so what if a terrorist is ambarrased! It allowed us to harvest important intellegence of other threats.

  Nobama's policies will put this country at risk with his selection of Leon Peneta and Eric Holder.

  The election is over, but that doesn't mean I have to sit back and listen to these liberal lies. For right now (until Nobama changes it) I do have a voice!

• January 16, 2009

  8:50 a.m.

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  Hragel writes:

  Oh, and if your pappy was getting high as a draft dodger in Canada while my brother was in the rice paddies of Vietnam, your opinion on military issues, politics, and what is right and wrong in time of war mean as much to me as two units of rat's flatus.

  You will hate the man til the day you die, I will love the man til the day I die. Irreconcilable differences.

  This nation is seeming a lot like 1855-1860 more and more...

• January 16, 2009

  8:54 a.m.

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  dilligaf writes:

  Hragel
  Relax take a deep breath and let the veins in your neck get back to normal size. Go and enjoy the time off with Bush. Your party blew it again. Just like his Dad he ran this country into the ground and now it will take a Democrat to try and repair it. Just like Clinton had to in 1992. Now I don't expect Obama to get us back to surpluses again but if he can stop the bleeding it will help. This criminal you praise really did a number on us. Oops I think I just popped one of those veins.

• January 16, 2009

  8:57 a.m.

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  SojuWarrior writes:

  For all of those out there that condemn him for Iraq, I have this question for you. Did you also condemn Clinton for bombing Serbia without authorization? Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending Bush and the Iraq war. I'm just saying I think that both actions were wrong and if one should be held accountable, so should the other.

  Just one more thing. Anyone who thinks that any politician (Democrat or Republican) has your best interest in mind is hopelessy gullible. They are all crooks and in it for themselves only.

• January 16, 2009

  8:58 a.m.

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  sawzallartist writes:

  To all the fools who praise Bush for keeping up safe.....

  His term began 1/20/2001 not 9/12/2001....there was considerable evidence and intelligence given to his administration concerning bin Laden's intent to attack and the admin ignored it.

  Also I would prefer my liberties and Constitution intact instead of this joke of safety...and one final thought...maybe as bin Laden and the boys were watching this admin destroy the fabric of what this country is and inflaming the mideast more with this illegal war....why attack again.

  Bush and Co were played like a fiddle by bin Laden.

  Feel safer now........fools..

• January 16, 2009

  9:01 a.m.

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  dilligaf writes:

  Hragel
  If you knew anything about the rice patties in Vietnam your brother was also getting high. I know I was there too. Oh by the way what war did you fight in? Or are you just like your hero and just cheer for war and rely on others to fight them?

• January 16, 2009

  9:03 a.m.

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  Steph writes:

  How come nobody is talking about the fact that 9/11 happened on HIS watch? Keeping us safe from terrorists is absolute bull. The worst terrorist attack on this country happened over 1 and 1/2 years after Bush was president.

  He was either too inept, stupid or just didn't care about the warnings and for that alone he should have been impeached and kicked out of the Whitehouse along with his currupt POS administration.

• January 16, 2009

  9:05 a.m.

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  farsidefan writes:

  A legend in his own mind.

• January 16, 2009

  9:07 a.m.

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  mytwosense writes:

  sawzallartist, exactly. To put this argument in an understandable context for the simple-minded, basically we got punched right square in the face. And so what if we never got to mete out justice to the evil perpetrator who socked us? We should be grateful to Bush the perp didn't send his henchmen back to punch us again!

• January 16, 2009

  9:08 a.m.

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  Diff writes:

  President Bush was gracious and even to a degree humble in is his parting statements. I seldom agreed with his politics or liked his attitude or his stance on most issues. I think his lies in going into Iraq were the worst of any President ever.
  However..

  I did find myself in agreement with a couple of things he said last night, the we must not become isolationist or protectionist in the future - and that we must keep our guard up to protect our country from another terrorist attack.
  I am convinced that our new President would be in agreement with both of those items as well - and will do a good job at both.
  Being President is one tough job! Compare a picture of Bush now from one when he first took office 8 years ago.
  Despite some of my less kind statements and rhetoric in past posts I have made here - I wish he and his family well - and Thank him for his service. Enjoy your retirement George - go play a round of golf with your Dad and Bill and Jimmy...

  Now it is time to move on!

• January 16, 2009

  9:12 a.m.

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  drkenne writes:

  “Does anyone seriously doubt that the Bush administration deliberately misled the nation into invading Iraq?” (Paul Krugman, 1/15/09 NY Times) [Great read by the way.]

  By now most people know that the information that lead to the "Joint Resolution to Authorize the Use of United States Armed Forces Against Iraq" was slanted in order to "scare us" into thinking Iraq was a threat...which we now know (at the cost of >4,200 soldiers and billions of $$$) was a lie.

  The corruption and abuse of power of any administration, regardless of party, should be investigated and those, if found to be guilty, purveyors of such crimes should be punished.

• January 16, 2009

  9:16 a.m.

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  Steph writes:

  If W is guilty of even HALF of these, he should be locked up for years. Yes, this is Bush's legacy and it will never be forgotten.

  Lest you forget:
  - Invasion of Iraq based on lies
  - Fear Mongering
  - Xenophobia
  - Over 4,000 dead American soldiers
  - Hundreds of Thousands of Dead innocent Iraqis
  - Devastated and Broken Families
  - Abu Ghraib
  - Thousands of detainees without charges
  - The stripping of Habeas Corpus
  - Torture. Waterboarding. “Aggressive interrogation techniques”
  - Theocracy
  - Gutting Clean Air Act restrictions
  - Making jokes such as “Nope…no weapons over here. They must be over there. Nope…no weapons over there! Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha!!!”
  - The Mushroom Cloud Scare
  - host Weapons of Mass Destruction…Then changing it to a Fight for Iraqi Freedom and Democracy
  - “We know for a fact that Saddam Hussein has reconstituted his WMD program”
  - “Iraq is an imminent threat”
  - The outing of Valerie Plame because of her husband’s (Joe Wilson) report of the Uranium he did not find in Africa
  - The commuting (i.e. pardoning) of Scooter Libby
  - The Niger connection
  - The Downing Street Memo
  - Fox ‘News’ (Faux News)
  - Deadly security contractors
  - - Enron. Ken Lay
  - The Fallujah Massacre
  - The Haditha massacre
  - Ignoring threats before 9/11 and not doing anything about them
  - Walter Reed Hospital
  - Your Neocon Puppeteers/Engineers/Mouthpieces. Donald Rumsfeld. Paul Wolfowitz. Richard Perle. Doug Feith. Ari Fleischer. John Bolton. Paul Bremer. Karl Rove.
  - The ‘Patriot Act’
  - Domestic Spying
  - “The Axis of Evil”
  - The bombing of a wedding ceremony in Afghanistan
  - Guantanamo Bay. Indefinite detention
  - Tipping the economy into what has become a financial tsunami
  - Corporatocracy
  - 300% rise in gas prices
  - Exxon’s successive highest quarterly earnings in the history of Corporations
  - Presidential orders to ignore Geneva Conventions
  - Illegal National Security Agency wiretapping
  - Katrina Ignorance and Abandonment
  - Disaster Capitalism. Haliburton. KBR. Blackwater. Mercenaries
  - One-Man-One-Woman (euphemized Discrimination)
  - Central Intelligence Agency squabbles and defections
  - Inciting sectarianism
  - Alberto Gonzales. Firing attorneys for political reasons
  - Nepotism
  - Destruction of the torture tapes
  - Looting the National Museum of Mesopotamia
  - Borrowing more money than all former presidents combined
  - Iran saber rattling
  - Denial of global warming
  - Rejecting the Kyoto Protocol
  - Pervez Musharraf (dictator) support and funding
  - Intransparency
  - The barbaric Death Penalty
  - Discrimination
  - Homophobia
  - Hypocrisy
  - False Confident Swagger
  - Faux Cowboy Mannerisms
  - Intellectual incuriosity
  - “Fool me once, shame on…” (aka your loud Freudian slip)
  - Two Stolen Elections. (Jeb Bush, Katherine Harris, Clayton Roberts, Ken Blackwell voter disenfranchisement and dismissals).
  - The use of your religion to manipulate others
  - Cheney, Cheney and Cheney!
  - Fear Fear Fear

• January 16, 2009

  9:19 a.m.

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  ptcruiser writes:

  As a commander in chief, he did his job to protect the USA. Former president Clinton and other notable democrats stated that Hussien had WMD's. I am just excited to see openly gay members in the military. Thanks Obama!!

• January 16, 2009

  9:23 a.m.

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  Steph writes:

  He didn't protect it ptcruiser. He failed to stop the worst attack we've ever had. Have you forgotten that?

• January 16, 2009

  9:25 a.m.

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  SuperCharger writes:

  Sawzallist

  Your hatred blinds you and to the truth. He inherited Bill Clintons incompetent defense of our nation and lack of interest in taking serious the terrorist threats that allowed 9/11 to occur. Clinton was handed Osama's head many times on a platter but declined it because he was embroiled in his perjury scandal and his othe shenanigans. Clinton was in office when Obama attacked the Twin Towers in 1993 the first time and when they attacked on the USS Cole and our Embassies.

  You must not live in the real world to think that these past 8 years we were not attcked again was mere luck with all of the Terrorist organizations out to get us. You trully are the foolish and petty and childish one if you believe that.

• January 16, 2009

  9:34 a.m.

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  Steph writes:

  "He inherited Bill Clintons incompetent defense of our nation and lack of interest in taking serious the terrorist threats that allowed 9/11 to occur."

  So SuperCharger, it WAS W's fault for not stopping 9/11. Correct?

  Please tell me why we went to oust Hussein instead of really following bin laden and killing him?

  W used the worst attack we've had on American soil to frighten people so he could go to war in Iraq while letting bin laden survive. This has to be the absolute WORST thing a president has ever done.

  7.5 years after the attack and bin laden is still around. You call that keeping our country safe?

• January 16, 2009

  9:35 a.m.

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  sawzallartist writes:

  Ahhhhhhh.....superchoker....did my facts hurt your little ol' narrative?

  But....but...but....Clinton.....(with a trembling lip)....is all you can come up with?

  I remember the Tomahawks Clinton fired into bin Laden's camp to answer for the attacks and the sanctimonious Republican outrage that followed.

• January 16, 2009

  9:36 a.m.

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  Grim_Reefer writes:

  "Bush kept us safe..." you say?

  I just have this to say to that...Open Boarders.

• January 16, 2009

  9:36 a.m.

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  Steph writes:

  CAn you imagine what the Republicans would have done had 9/11 happened on Clinton's watch? They would, rightfullyl, have had his head on a platter.

• January 16, 2009

  9:36 a.m.

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  SuperCharger writes:

  Poor Steph,
  She only has a laundry list of half truths and exaggerations as viewed through the eyes of a person with severe tunnel vision.
  It must be fun to to just jot down silly accusations and misinformaton that not even the Democratic congress would buy. If these things were true they would have impeaced Bush years ago.Irrational hatred sure has a way of blurring reality.

• January 16, 2009

  9:39 a.m.

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  mytwosense writes:

  Supercharger, perhaps if conservatives hadn't been the ones to tie Clinton up in subpeonas and investigations for eight straight years, he could have focused even more on terrorism than he did. As it happens, at least he brought to justice the terrorists who attacked the Trade Center in 1993 (should we blame Bush I on that attack?), and he did fire missiles at bin Laden's training camps. All the got in thanks from the Republicans for doing so were accusations he was trying to detract attention from the investigations they were embroiling him in.

  His National Security chief Sandy Berger also warned Condoleeza Rice that Al Qaeda was the biggest threat facing America. Apparently, she ignored that, because on 9/11 she was scheduled to give a speech about missile defense - the supposed top priority of the future.

  Anyway, what's Bush's excuse for not catching bin Laden after eight years and following a far worse attack on America than anything under Clinton's watch?

  And here I initially tried to post something civil about Bush. But his supporters are so deluded, you just can't keep yourself from refuting their outlandish statements!

• January 16, 2009

  9:39 a.m.

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  Steph writes:

  You should know, Super.

  Which of those "half truths" and "exaggerations" are false?

• January 16, 2009

  9:43 a.m.

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  ptcruiser writes:

  So when they the 9/11 terrorist were training in the USA in 1999, it was "W" fault? How many attacks have happened in the USA after 9/11? The democrats voted also to invade Iraq. Saddam stated he had WMD's, to gain concessions and to slow down the UN inspectors. Steph, you do not like Bush, get over it, he's almost history, now lets see how Obama does, I hope he does well for the sake of the country, but don't be upset when he does/does not fail us.

• January 16, 2009

  9:44 a.m.

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  Grim_Reefer writes:

  "America must maintain our moral clarity. I have often spoken to you about good and evil. This has made some uncomfortable. But good and evil are present in this world, and between the two there can be no compromise. Murdering the innocent to advance an ideology is wrong every time, everywhere." GW Bush

  Gee, Mr. President, why don't you take a hard look in the mirror after that statement. How many innocents died in Iraq to advance your ideology?

• January 16, 2009

  9:46 a.m.

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  Grim_Reefer writes:

  Osama still roams free to make propaganda against the Republic. Heckuva job, GW!

• January 16, 2009

  9:53 a.m.

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  Steph writes:

  ptcruiser. What about the PDB in August of 2001 that stated terrorists are going to use planes as missils (sp?) to fly into buildings?

  Terrorists have been training for decades. You could just as well blame Bush I.

  The Democrats did indeed vote for the war. They have no b***s. It also would have been political suicide to vote against it given the fear and false patriotism drummed up by W.

  Obama will no doubt fail us as each president does (of either party). I'm hoping the difference between Obama and W is that Obama is a very smart man. At least he'll question himself about choices instead of an ex-drunk, frat boy who doesn't have enough character or intelligence to think that maybe he's wrong about his "decisions."

• January 16, 2009

  9:55 a.m.

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  SuperCharger writes:

  Sawzallarist
  Unfortunately for you, it hurt your credibility. Enough to cause you to prove my point concering your denial. You should write fiction novels with your silly style of writing or even comic books since the truth eludes you and you make it up as you go along. So far it appears that I came up with more than you could muster.

  The only time Clinton retaliated against the terrorists was when the heat was coming down on him from the investigation that led to his perjury charges. They were only done to divert America from his legal problems and try to gain personal support.

• January 16, 2009

  9:58 a.m.

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  ptcruiser writes:

  Steph your hatred of Bush is evident, but to call him ex-drunk frat boy goes both ways, as Obama is a coke-head, racist, and a Chicago style-thug politician. I am done, you are never going to change your opinion as I am not also. Good-day.

• January 16, 2009

  10:01 a.m.

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  mytwosense writes:

  SuperCharger writes: "Sawzallarist, Unfortunately for you, it hurt your credibility. Enough to cause you to prove my point concering your denial. You should write fiction novels with your silly style of writing or even comic books since the truth eludes you and you make it up as you go along. So far it appears that I came up with more than you could muster."

  "Netiquette" rule #386: If you go to the lengths of insisting you won a debate, you probably didn't.

• January 16, 2009

  10:07 a.m.

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  Steph writes:

  Ptcruiser, sounds like you have a lot of hatred of Obama. Calling the kettle black?

  Of course, I hate W. Anyone with any kind of intelligence and yes, love for our country, feels the same.

  Obama hasn't even been inaugurated so no one, including you, know what kind of president he will be. He hasn't accumulated the endless list of screw-ups like W has. Wait until then, and then decide what kind of politician he is.

  Obama is not a racist. Don't know where you get that but, either way, I'd rather have a coke-sniffing Chicago style-thug politician than the worst mistake of this country who's finally leaving the office.

  W will now have all the time he needs to feel what it's like to be one of (if not the biggest) failure in the history of the US.

• January 16, 2009

  10:11 a.m.

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  SuperCharger writes:

  Poor Steph is going to have irrational Bush bashing withdrawl when she doesn't have ole George to kick around anymore. It is pretty scarry that some one could be so obsessed. Better seek some anger management and also adress those fantasy issues also.
  Hunter "Gonzo" Thompson lost his mind after Nixon died because he his target of irrational hatred had died and and it also ruined his health and he ended up taking his own life.

• January 16, 2009

  10:18 a.m.

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  Steph writes:

  Sorry SuperCharger but you're wrong. Like most of the world, I'm so relieved and happy that he is finally going to be gone and I don't have to see his smirking, idiotic face anymore.

  Won't need any anger management classes now that he is gone.

  "It is pretty scarry that some one could be so obsessed."

  Yes, can't wait to hear you start obsessively trashing Obama. We both know you will, don't we?

  No doubt the parts of the bible that you care to believe will help you through the next 4-8 years.

• January 16, 2009

  10:23 a.m.

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  SuperCharger writes:

  Mytwosense

  Common sense should tell you, you should know when to quote netiquette rule #386 or you only make a fool of yourself.
  Or is that Confucius?

• January 16, 2009

  10:25 a.m.

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  mytwosense writes:

  Just helpfully heading you off before you make one of yourself!

• January 16, 2009

  10:25 a.m.

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  wyhammertime writes:

  When do we get our bamabates ??? { obamas tax break rebate } ?? just think one nightmare over in a few days and a new one starts

• January 16, 2009

  10:27 a.m.

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  GladysKravitz writes:

  I missed W's speech....I was more interested in the news of the real hero of the day, Capt. "Sulley", the real pilot, that safely crash landed and saved everyone on board US Air 1549 in NYC. Now that's a hero!

• January 16, 2009

  10:30 a.m.

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  Reality__Check writes:

  "The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden.
  It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him."
  -- George "my pet goat" Bush, Sept. 2001

  "I don't know where he (bin Laden) is. I have no idea
  and I really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."
  -- George aWol Bush, March 2002

  "Gosh, I just don't think I ever said I'm not worried about Osama bin Laden.
  It's kind of one of those ex-a-gger-a-tions."
  -- George "pathological liar" Bush 2004 presidential debate

• January 16, 2009

  10:34 a.m.

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  Reality__Check writes:

  "We found the weapons of mass destruction."
  -- President George "pathological liar" Bush,
  in an interview with Polish television, May 29, 2003

  "Those weapons of mass destruction have got to be somewhere!"
  -- President George "4300 dead U$ Troops" Bush,
  joking about his administration's failure to find WMDs
  in Iraq as he narrated a comic slideshow during the Radio
  & TV Correspondents' Association dinner, March 25, 2004

• January 16, 2009

  10:38 a.m.

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  SuperCharger writes:

  Steph
  Steph away from the keyboard, go to the yellow pages and look up Psychologists that specialize in compulsive obsessions and make an appointment before you have a serious breakdown.
  Even now you are losing perspective and jumping from your hatred of Bush to your hatred of the Bible.

• January 16, 2009

  10:40 a.m.

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  T1anda writes:

  Worst President ever? Nope! Jimma Carter holds that title. Hands down!

• January 16, 2009

  10:41 a.m.

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  Reality__Check writes:

  "I do not think witchcraft is a religion, and I do not think it is
  in any way appropriate for the US military to promote it."

  -- George "born again" Bush, Oct. 2000 regarding Ft. Hood's decision
  to allow Wiccan rituals just as all military bases allow rituals of the Christian faith.

• January 16, 2009

  10:42 a.m.

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  Steph writes:

  I don't hate the bible. Just people like you who use it as a smokescreen (your word) to justify their "unchristianlike" behaviour.
  Do you honestly think Jesus would write the comments that you've written to people on this site?

  This will be fun to throw back into your face when you start "obsessing" about Obama.

• January 16, 2009

  10:46 a.m.

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  Nobama writes:

  I'm sure what I'm about to say will throw the Liberal kooks into a feeding frenzy, but I've espoused this theory for months. A large factor in Bush's "disappoval" rating was Conservatives, like myself, who thought he sold out his Conservative base. But, that does NOT imply that we would have preferred a fringe Liberal as President, ala Obama. Unfortunately, the Bush backlash, along with the manipulation of Obama's idealistic, naive, gullible and ignorant followers gave us the results we see today. (By the way, I'm not saying these characteristics are shameful or derogatory, just obstacles to logical thinking.) I wish there could be a hypothetical poll to see what percentage of the voters would have brought Bush back versus Obama. I'll bet the percentage would be 40% or more, but, of course, we'll never know, cause the media wouldn't go there.

  Now you Liberal kooks can begin your personal insults, but I think this is a logical theory and would invite you to try rebuttals instead of emotional rants and flat out proclamations without substance.

• January 16, 2009

  10:47 a.m.

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  Reality__Check writes:

  "I'm driven with a mission from God. God would tell me, 'George, go and fight those terrorists in Afghanistan.' And I did, and then God would tell me, 'George go and end the tyranny in Iraq,' and I did. Now again I feel God's words coming to me: 'Go get the Palestinians their state and get the Israelis their security, and get peace in the Middle East.' And by God, I'm gonna do it."

  -- President George "delusional psychopath" Bush, June 2003

• January 16, 2009

  10:51 a.m.

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  davies writes:

  Steph writes:

  "CAn you imagine what the Republicans would have done had 9/11 happened on Clinton's watch?"

  Well Steph, as far as planning, financing, logistics and training goes, most of it did.

  Not to mention the inspiration Clinton must have given the the Islamic zealots: getting off with an intern in the Oval Office and then perjuring himself about it.

• January 16, 2009

  10:52 a.m.

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  sundowner writes:

  What do you mean? You can't believe people voted for him twiced. I can't believe anyone voted for him once. Why didn't he go after Ben Laden? He is the one responsible for 9/11.

  Anyone that has to spend so much of their time defending their mistakes and ignorance don't have time to do any thing right. So since he didn't have time to do things right can we really condem him?

  "You're damn right we can".

• January 16, 2009

  10:52 a.m.

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  SuperCharger writes:

  Mytwosense

  Sorry I couldn't do the same for you. I guess it's in your hands now.
  Good Luck!

• January 16, 2009

  10:53 a.m.

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  HankReardon writes:

  "You have not betrayed your ideals.
  Your ideals have betrayed you."
  -- DJ SHADOW (Eternity?)

• January 16, 2009

  10:56 a.m.

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  O_TRAIN writes:

  Hragel writes; "This nation is seeming a lot like 1855-1860 more and more..."

  If that's true, you can use your confederate money to clean up that steaming pile of excuses and justifications. Good luck rewriting history.

• January 16, 2009

  10:58 a.m.

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  Reality__Check writes:

  "I walked in the White House garden, praying that our troops be safe,
  be protected by the Almighty ...I was praying for strength to do the Lord's will."

  -- President George "born ah-geen" Bush, telling Bob Woodward what he did immediately after giving the order to attack and invade Iraq

  .
  "Oh, no, we're not going to have any casualties."
  
  -- President GW Bush, discussing the impending Iraq invasion
  with Christian broadcaster Pat Robertson, after Robertson warned
  him that he should prepare the American people for the reality of
  war casualties.

  4226 DEAD US Troops Later => http://icasualties.org/Iraq/BY_DOD.aspx

• January 16, 2009

  11:03 a.m.

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  Cartman writes:

  Steph,

  your list does include many facts, but also has a lot self opinion, here are a few examples:

  Faux Cowboy Mannerisms? you have something against cowboys?

  Theocracy - Islamic Republic of Iran, Kingdom of Saudi Arabia and Israel are examples, not the US.
  Fox ‘News’ (Faux News) - What does fox news have to do with Bush?

  300% rise in gas prices - A prez has nothing to do with high gas, low gas prices, or the state of the world economy.

  The use of your religion to manipulate others- did he manipulate you? he didn't manipulate me either.

  The barbaric Death Penalty - Bush didn't invent the death penelty, Your opinion

  Discrimination - Bush didn't invent Discrimination, Your opinion

  Two Stolen Elections - liberal conspiracy

  I would mention more, but don't have time. While I do appreciate your opinions, maybe next time be a little more specific and explain why, or include facts.

• January 16, 2009

  11:14 a.m.

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  Reality__Check writes:

  Bush War Crimes and Crimes Against Humanity
  http://www.bushcommission.org/

  Red Cross finds Bu$h Guilty of War Crimes in Iraq
  http://www.nogw.com/warcrimes.html

  Compendium of Bush War Crimes and Crimes Against Humanity
  http://archive.democrats.com/preview....

  George Bush Confesses to War Crimes
  http://www.onlinejournal.com/artman/p...

  ACLU: Investigate Bush war crimes
  http://tinyurl.com/8ulzfc

  New York News - Bush's War Crimes Cover-up
  http://tinyurl.com/8yacho

  Google Results 1-6 of about 2,640,000 for bush war crimes. (0.16 seconds)

• January 16, 2009

  11:19 a.m.

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  SuperCharger writes:

  Steph, Steph,
  Telling the truth to those who need it is not un-Christian like. It is love. Of course Jesus would and he did. He always mocked people that were foolish and unrepentent sinners.

  He would have mocked you because you only bring up his name when you are trying to win an argument, Other than that you have no use for him. You don't keep his will and ignore his teachings on moral issues. He mocked the Pharasees who were like you in many ways.

  I think it will be us who will be showing you and others the error of your ways when you voted for the false messiah and rejected the true Messiah. We already are starting to throw it back in your face with all the no "change" appointments and corrupt people he has picked. A bunch of Clinton retreads, and the Chicago scandals of Gov Blago that are just waiting to bring him down.
  We are going to enjoy these four years more than you will. Time is on our side.

• January 16, 2009

  11:20 a.m.

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  Cartman writes:

  Reality__Check,
  how about facts from a non-biased web site, nice try!

• January 16, 2009

  11:39 a.m.

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  davies writes:

  Steph and SuperCharger:

  Please allow me to remind both of you that there is also diversity among Christians. I am a Christian, and I do not believe homosexuality is a sin, and I do believe Jesus' message of loving one's neighbor is rightfully interpreted as including acceptance of homosexuals. Churches are ordaining them!

  Christians are a varied group, and I won't take a theological backseat to other Christians with more strident or exclusive beliefs. But on the other hand I have worshipped with some of them with whom I disagree, and I have come to realize that some of them are kind and considerate people, despite my differences with them.

• January 16, 2009

  11:53 a.m.

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  JoethePlumber writes:

  It is readily apparent that trying to have an intelligent debate with the liberals on this website is a complete waste of time. I encourage every free thinking individual to go back through and re-read the posts by individuals such as Steph and Reality_Check. Then think about it for a minute. According to them all the wrong in the world is George Bush's fault. It simply is not true and it is amazing that we have people that actually believe this stuff.

  I suppose if you believe everything you read on the internet, in the NY Times and what your liberal college professor told you, you would really think this way. Scary. Pretty much an indictment of our educational system if you ask me.

• January 16, 2009

  2:02 p.m.

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  jay writes:

  "According to them all the wrong in the world is George Bush's fault"

  kind of ironic that the guy whining about "intelligent debate" must resort to a strawman argument to try to refute valid points.

  less safe.

  less secure fiscally.

  "decimated" military.

  strengthened enemies.

  enough said.

  welcome to The Legacy.

• January 16, 2009

  2:07 p.m.

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  davies writes:

  (National anthem being hummed in the background)

  JoethePlumber, if you call that an indictment of our educational system, then isn't that a condemnation of the country as a whole? Well, I'm not going to sit here and listen while people like you tear down the United States of America!

• January 16, 2009

  3:46 p.m.

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  mytwosense writes:

  SuperCharger (aka NotChasB) writes: "He mocked the Pharasees who were like you in many ways."

  The Pharisees were the hardline religious extremists of the day, rather like you, NotChasB. And yes, Jesus appeared to have little use for them.

  By the way, how do you keep sneaking back into the RMN forums? They must have banned you dozens of times by now.

• January 16, 2009

  4:11 p.m.

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  JoethePlumber writes:

  jay writes:

  "According to them all the wrong in the world is George Bush's fault"

  kind of ironic that the guy whining about "intelligent debate" must resort to a strawman argument to try to refute valid points.

  less safe.

  less secure fiscally.

  "decimated" military.

  strengthened enemies.

  enough said.

  welcome to The Legacy.

  Accusing me of "whining" proves my point about a lack of intelligent debate. Reasonable people can disagree without resorting to ad hominem attacks. So grow up pal.

  I'm no 100% Bush supporter but it has become a tiresome exercise to listen to you people on the left try to blame the man for everything wrong under the sun. My life didn't change when Bush entered office and it won't when he leaves because I rely on myself, not the government. I am just as safe, and secure financially now as I was 8 years ago. I have numerous friends in the service and they would dispute your assertion of a decimated military. What enemies have we strengthened?

  In short, prove any of your assertions. They are all opinions, not facts.

  Have a nice day.

• January 16, 2009

  4:20 p.m.

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  Reality__Check writes:

  Cartman writes:
  "how about facts from a non-biased web site, nice try!"

  Funny how the LAW is always "biased" against the CRIMINALS, eh?

  Funny how Reality always seems to have a "liberal" bias from your p.o.v, eh?

  Here's a clue: Denial ain't just a river in Egypt.

• January 16, 2009

  4:33 p.m.

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  jay writes:

  "I'm no 100% Bush supporter but it has become a tiresome exercise to listen to you people on the left try to blame the man for everything wrong under the sun"

  yet another strawman argument.

  we've already established all these points before, joe.

  here's the link.

  all the data you need is there.

  http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news...

  remember kids...politically inconvenient facts are still facts.

• January 16, 2009

  4:47 p.m.

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  HankReardon writes:

  Imperialist Marginalism

  Yeah, you can tell 'em Hank sent ya.

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