We ended up in a factory, uh, where they were making carts for, wooden carts, for their eastern front. Uh, at that point I had a very interesting job and assignment. The, the feeling was that, that to survive there, it was important to have something to do, and, and I wasn't even 10 years old. So I went to the commander, commander of the German, of that camp, and told him, asked him whether he needed an errand boy. And, uh, he looked at me, and he said, "Fine." And so basically, my, my job in that, uh, in that camp consisted of sitting outside his door and doing chores that he needed to have done, like getting his bicycle, or taking something, uh, one place, uh, or another. The, the job had great advantages, because I could hear what was going on, uh, and could report back, and I could also alert people to his coming, because I would be going ahead of him, running, announcing his coming. And so we had the signal that I would signal. He had, he wore a hat with a feather; and if I went like this to people [gestures] they knew that he was coming. And, uh, because if people were seen not working, they would be beaten very badly.