<DOC> [108 Senate Hearings] [From the U.S. Government Printing Office via GPO Access] [DOCID: f:91830.wais] S. Hrg. 108-372 AN EXAMINATION OF S. 1194, THE MENTALLY ILL OFFENDER TREATMENT AND CRIME REDUCTION ACT OF 2003 ======================================================================= HEARING before the COMMITTEE ON THE JUDICIARY UNITED STATES SENATE ONE HUNDRED EIGHTH CONGRESS FIRST SESSION __________ JULY 30, 2003 __________ Serial No. J-108-32 __________ Printed for the use of the Committee on the Judiciary 91-830 U.S. GOVERNMENT PRINTING OFFICE WASHINGTON : 2003 ____________________________________________________________________________ For Sale by the Superintendent of Documents, U.S. Government Printing Office Internet: bookstore.gpo.gov Phone: toll free (866) 512-1800; (202) 512ÿ091800 Fax: (202) 512ÿ092250 Mail: Stop SSOP, Washington, DC 20402ÿ090001 COMMITTEE ON THE JUDICIARY ORRIN G. HATCH, Utah, Chairman CHARLES E. GRASSLEY, Iowa PATRICK J. LEAHY, Vermont ARLEN SPECTER, Pennsylvania EDWARD M. KENNEDY, Massachusetts JON KYL, Arizona JOSEPH R. BIDEN, Jr., Delaware MIKE DeWINE, Ohio HERBERT KOHL, Wisconsin JEFF SESSIONS, Alabama DIANNE FEINSTEIN, California LINDSEY O. GRAHAM, South Carolina RUSSELL D. FEINGOLD, Wisconsin LARRY E. CRAIG, Idaho CHARLES E. SCHUMER, New York SAXBY CHAMBLISS, Georgia RICHARD J. DURBIN, Illinois JOHN CORNYN, Texas JOHN EDWARDS, North Carolina Bruce Artim, Chief Counsel and Staff Director Bruce A. Cohen, Democratic Chief Counsel and Staff Director C O N T E N T S ---------- STATEMENTS OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS Page DeWine, Hon. Mike, a U.S. Senator from the State of Ohio......... 1 Durbin, Hon. Richard J., a U.S. Senator from the State of Illinois....................................................... 23 Grassley, Hon. Charles E., a U.S. Senator from the State of Iowa, prepared statement............................................. 115 Hatch, Hon. Orrin G., a U.S. Senator from the State of Utah, prepared statement............................................. 119 Leahy, Hon. Patrick J., a U.S. Senator from the State of Vermont. 3 prepared statement........................................... 130 WITNESSES Atkins, Rhonda, Sarasota, Florida................................ 13 Campbell, Hon. John F., Member, Vermont State Senate, Quechee, Vermont........................................................ 9 Eslinger, Donald F., Sheriff, Seminole County, Sanford, Florida.. 7 Honberg, Ron, Legal Director, National Alliance for the Mentally Ill, on behalf of the Campaign for Mental Health Reform, Arlington, Virginia............................................ 5 Stratton, Hon. Evelyn Lundberg, Justice, Supreme Court of Ohio, Columbus, Ohio................................................. 15 Wilkinson, Reginald A., Director, Ohio Department of Rehabilitation and Correction, on behalf of the Association of State Correctional Administrators, Columbus, Ohio.............. 11 QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS Responses of Reggie Wilkinson to questions submitted by Senator Durbin......................................................... 29 Responses of Evelyn Stratton to questions submitted by Senator Durbin......................................................... 39 SUBMISSIONS FOR THE RECORD American Psychological Association, Judge Maurice H. Richardson (Ret.), Director, Massachusetts Mental Health Diversion Program, Law and Psychiatry Program, University of Massachusetts Medical School, Worcester, Massachusetts, statement...................................................... 63 Art for a Child's Safe America Foundation, Columbus, Ohio........ 69 Atkins, Rhonda, Sarasota, Florida, prepared statement............ 76 Campbell, Hon. John F., Member, Vermont State Senate, Quechee, Vermont, prepared statement.................................... 80 Columbus Dispatch, Randy Ludlow, articles: Critical Care, August 24, 2003............................... 84 Prison doctors aren't top shelf; some come with big problems, August 24, 2003............................................ 91 Lives Lost and Damaged, August 25, 2003...................... 94 When co-pay plan started, clinic visits started falling, August 25, 2003............................................ 101 Taft Focuses on Inmate Care; August 28, 2003................. 103 Panel To Review Health Care for Inmates, September 5, 2003... 106 Eslinger, Donald F., Sheriff, Seminole County, Sanford, Florida, prepared statement............................................. 108 Honberg, Ron, Legal Director, National Alliance for the Mentally Ill, on behalf of the Campaign for Mental Health Reform, Arlington, Virginia, prepared statement........................ 121 Hogan, Michael F., Director, Ohio Department of Mental Health, Chair, President's New Freedom Commission on Mental Health, Columbus, Ohio, statement and attachment....................... 132 Stratton, Hon. Evelyn Lundberg, Justice, Supreme Court of Ohio, Columbus, Ohio, prepared statement............................. 145 Wilkinson, Reginald A., Director, Ohio Department of Rehabilitation and Correction, on behalf of the Association of State Correctional Administrators, Columbus, Ohio, prepared statement...................................................... 153 Women, Girls & Criminal Justice, June/July 2002, article......... 163 AN EXAMINATION OF S. 1194, THE MENTALLY ILL OFFENDER TREATMENT AND CRIME REDUCTION ACT OF 2003 ---------- WEDNESDAY, JULY 30, 2003 United States Senate, Committee on the Judiciary, Washington, D.C. The Committee met, pursuant to notice, at 2:08 p.m., in room SD-226, Dirksen Senate Office Building, Hon. Mike DeWine presiding. Present: Senators DeWine, Leahy, and Durbin. OPENING STATEMENT OF HON. MIKE DEWINE, A U.S. SENATORFROM THE STATE OF OHIO Senator DeWine. Welcome to the Judiciary Committee hearing on Senate bill 1194, the Mentally Ill Offender Treatment and Crime Reduction Act of 2003. Let me thank the Chairman of the Judiciary Committee, Senator Hatch, for scheduling this important hearing today, as well as cosponsoring this legislation. Let me also thank the Ranking Member of the Judiciary Committee, Senator Leahy, for all of his hard work and for his leadership in this area, and also for his cosponsorship of the bill and for his hard work in preparing for our hearing today. Let me also thank our original cosponsors, Senator Grassley, Senator Domenici, and Senator Cantwell, for their efforts and their hard work. Those who suffer from mental illness face great challenges in their lives, and when those with mental illness come into contact with our criminal justice system, the challenges become even greater. I learned this firsthand approximately 30 years ago when I was a county prosecuting attorney in Greene County, Ohio. I learned how important it is that our mental health community and our law enforcement community work together to deal with mentally ill offenders. This kind of coordination is vital because people afflicted with mental illness are incarcerated at significantly higher rates than the general population. Specifically, approximately 5 percent of the American population has a mental illness, but about 16 percent of the State prison population in this country has such an illness. The Los Angeles County Jail, for example, at any one time typically has more mentally ill inmates than any hospital in the country. Unfortunately, however, the reality of our criminal justice system is that jails and prisons are not equipped to provide a therapeutic environment for the mentally ill. In fact, mentally ill inmates often become even sicker in jail. Once released from jail or prison, many mentally ill people end up on the streets. With limited resources and little or no ability to handle their illness alone, they often commit additional offenses, resulting in their re-arrest and re-incarceration. This revolving door is costly and is disruptive for all involved, worst of all for the person suffering from a mental illness and his or her family. Although these problems manifest themselves most clearly within the prison system, the problem is also rooted in the mental health system and its failure to provide sufficient community-based treatment solutions. Accordingly, the key to any solution of these problems will be collaboration-- collaboration between the mental health system and the criminal justice system. In fact, because many mentally ill offenders have a drug or alcohol problem, in addition to their mental illness, solving this problem also will require greater collaboration between the substance abuse treatment and mental health treatment communities. That, in a nutshell, is what our bill does. The entire goal of the mentally ill offender treatment bill is to foster exactly this type of collaboration at the Federal level, the State level, and most particularly at the local level. The bill provides funding for the criminal justice system, for the juvenile system, and for the mental health and substance abuse treatment systems all to work together at each level of government to establish a network of services for offenders with mental illness. The bill would promote public safety by helping decrease the number of repeat offenders, and also would promote public health by ensuring that those with a serious mental illness are treated as soon as possible and as efficiently and effectively as possible. The way this bill works is that it sets up a grant program, establishing a pool of money which would be used to fund State and local programs to address the problem of mentally ill offenders. Most importantly, to ensure that these programs are collaborative, the bill would require that two organizations, such as sheriff's office and a mental health care agency, would have to jointly submit a single grant application on behalf of their community. So the bill would require that you would have to have a mental health organization as well as a law enforcement organization both applying together for the grant. These funds could be used for a variety of purposes as long as the program would further the goal of collaboration to help the mentally ill. For example, grant funds may be used to establish courts with specialized dockets for offenders who have a serious mental illness or a co-occurring mental illness and drug or alcohol problem. Funds could be used also, for example, to enhance training of mental health and criminal justice system personnel so that they could better handle situations that might arise with a mentally ill offender. Funds also could be devoted to programs that would divert non-violent offenders into treatment instead of prison, or correctional facilities could use grant funds to promote the treatment of mentally ill inmates and ease their transition back into the community upon release from jail or prison. Now, some of this may sound a little bit familiar to some of you because this legislation does, in fact, build on legislation that I introduced two years ago with my friend and colleague from Ohio, Congressman Ted Strickland. That bill, which many of my colleagues on this Committee joined with me in working on, did, in fact, become law and it authorized the establishment of more mental health courts. I have long supported mental health courts, which enable the criminal justice system to provide an individualized treatment solution for a mentally ill offender, while also requiring accountability of the offender. The legislation we are discussing today builds on that law and would make possible the creation or expansion of mental health courts. It also would promote the funding of treatment services that support such courts. There are a number of other important provisions in our legislation and we will discuss them today, but the real essence of this bill is that it would provide the funding and the incentive for law enforcement and mental health providers to work together to provide real help to those who are suffering from mental illness. The bill would help advance the community interest in promoting public safety and the human interest that we all have in helping people suffering from mental illness. Now, let me turn to my friend and my colleague on this Committee, Senator Leahy. STATEMENT OF HON. PATRICK J. LEAHY, A U.S. SENATOR FROM THE STATE OF VERMONT Senator Leahy. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman, and before we even start I want to commend your longstanding and well-demonstrated support of this concept. Like me, you have had experience as a prosecutor. And, of course, you have seen it from State government as lieutenant governor, so you know how important it is. It is not something that we talk about out of the abstract. This is a good, bipartisan bill. There are far more examples than not of legislation in this Congress that are put together by members on both sides of the aisle, and not surprisingly they are the ones that have the best chance of being passed. It is a good bill. It is going to help State and local governments with a problem that sometimes is overlooked--the extent to which mentally ill individuals commit crimes and then they are sent out again without ever receiving appropriate attention from the mental health, law enforcement, or correction systems, and commit crimes again. I welcome all the witnesses today, and I hope none of you among the witnesses will feel at all slighted if I give a special welcome to my fellow Vermonter, Senator John Campbell, who is here. He is going to testify about how our State has worked on this. Senator Campbell is the majority leader of our Vermont Senate. He is a member of the Judiciary Committee. He is a former law enforcement officer. But even more importantly, of the things that we share--we are both Vermonters, both been in law enforcement--we both married nurses and that is the best part of our lives. In his work as a legislator, as a lawyer, and as a law enforcement officer, he has seen this issue from policy perspectives, but also right up close and personal, as so many of you have. Too often, people with mental illness rotate repeatedly; they go back and forth between the criminal justice system and the streets of our communities. They go back on the streets and they commit a number of crimes. Yet, we have fewer law enforcement officers available to deal with this. They are being occupied by very important things, very urgent things, but they get diverted many times by lesser offenders. Then these offenders find themselves in jails or elsewhere, where there is no attempt made to take care of the mental illness problems they have. So what we are trying to do is give the State and local governments a tool to break the cycle. If we do, it helps law enforcement, it helps corrections officers, it helps the safety of all of us, but it also helps those who are mentally ill. It really is a win-win-win-win. When I held a Judiciary hearing last June, we heard from the members of the criminal justice system. We heard from State mental health officials, law enforcement officers, corrections officials, and representatives of counties around our Nation, and they all agreed that people with untreated mental illness are more likely to commit crimes and that our State mental health systems, prisons and jails don't have the resources they need to treat the mentally ill and prevent recidivism. We know that more than 16 percent of adults in U.S. jails and prisons have a mental illness, that about 20 percent of the youth in our juvenile justice system have serious mental health problems, and that up to 40 percent of adults who suffer from a serious mental illness are going to come in contact with the American criminal justice system at some point in their lives. We know all these things, but we have done very little to help at the Federal level. This bill could change all that. It is not a one-size-fits-all approach. It gives grantees the ability to use the funds authorized under the bill for mental health courts or other court-based programs, for training mental health system personnel for mental health treatment. It makes a real difference in funding--$100 million authorized each year for the next two years. Actually spending this money could save a great deal of money in the long run. I am glad--and, Mr. Chairman, you have seen this from all the people you have talked with, as I have--that it brings the mental health experts together with law enforcement, something where they both see a chance to win. So I applaud you for holding the hearing, and I am hoping this is something that we can get out and get passed. [The prepared statement of Senator Leahy appears as a submission for the record.] Senator DeWine. Senator Leahy, thank you very much. Let me introduce the panel very briefly. Mr. Ron Honberg is the National Director of Policy and Legal Affairs for NAMI, the National Alliance for the Mentally Ill. He has worked extensively to promote diversion programs and improve treatment for people with mental illness. Sheriff Donald Eslinger is the Sheriff of Seminole County, Florida. He has worked in the Seminole County Sheriff's Office for the past 25 years. For 12 of those years, he has served as the sheriff. Additionally, the sheriff has worked with Florida's Behavioral Health Services Integration Work Group. Senator John Campbell is the majority leader in the Vermont Legislature. In addition to his work in the Vermont Legislature, he is a former law enforcement officer and has been practicing law for the past 20 years. Dr. Reggie Wilkinson is the Director of the Ohio Department of Rehabilitation and Correction, and has been with the Department since 1973. He was first appointed Director in 1991 by then-Governor George Voinovich. He was reappointed eight years later by current Government Robert Taft. The Department oversees more than 30 prisons and is responsible for 45,000 inmates. Rhonda Atkins is from Sarasota, Florida. She has firsthand experience as a mother of a mentally ill child. Her daughter got involved in a criminal justice system that was inadequately prepared to offer her the services that she needed. Justice Evelyn Stratton, of the Ohio Supreme Court, chairs the Supreme Court Advisory Committee on the Mentally Ill in the Courts in Ohio. This committee has been instrumental in providing training for law enforcement officers to better handle mentally ill offenders in the justice system. Mr. Honberg, you will be the first witness. Let me say that we will set the clock at five minutes for each one of you. We have your written testimony, which we appreciate and will be made a part of the record. When you see the yellow light, that means you are down for a minute. We would like for you to conclude your comments then, and that will enable us to have some time, we hope, for some questions. You may begin. STATEMENT OF RON HONBERG, LEGAL DIRECTOR, NATIONAL ALLIANCE FOR THE MENTALLY ILL, ARLINGTON, VIRGINIA, ON BEHALF OF THE CAMPAIGN FOR MENTAL HEALTH REFORM Mr. Honberg. Thank you. Senator DeWine, Senator Leahy, I am deeply honored to have this opportunity to testify at this very important hearing. My name is Ron Honberg and I am the Legal Director for NAMI, the National Alliance for the Mentally Ill. But I am also here testifying today on behalf of the Campaign for Mental Health Reform, which is a collaboration among 15 leading national mental health organizations, including consumers, family members, providers, and other advocates. The recent report that was released by President Bush's new Freedom Commission on Mental Health emphasizes what certainly the two of you know so well that our Nation's jails and prisons have become de facto psychiatric treatment facilities. Having been in many of those facilities myself, I know that they are not treatment facilities at all, that they are environments that are not at all conducive to treating people who are experiencing severe psychiatric symptoms. Sheriffs and police officers throughout the country, as I am sure you will hear today, will tell you that they frequently respond to people who are experiencing psychiatric crises. In view of this, the impressive line-up at this hearing, present witness excluded, reflects the reality that the criminal justice community has become the strongest ally of the mental health field, and in some cases, frankly, the leaders behind efforts to promote better mental health treatment and programs to reduce unnecessary criminalization of people with mental illnesses. The landmark Criminal Justice/Mental Health Consensus Project, which was convened by the Council of State Governments, is an illustration of just how important these issues have become. While compassion for a particularly vulnerable segment of our society is certainly evident in these efforts, the significant involvement of the criminal justice community reflects something more--recognition that reducing involvement of people with mental illnesses with criminal justice systems benefits not only those individuals themselves, but the criminal justice systems and society as a whole. Most people with mental illnesses who come into contact with law enforcement or criminal justice are not violent criminals. Most would never have ended up in these systems at all if they had received appropriate treatment in the first place. Yet, mental illness is the leading cause of disability in the world, but fewer than half of all people with these illnesses have access to even minimally adequate treatment and services. I want to emphasize that with treatment, recovery is very, very possible, but without treatment, the consequences are frequently horrendous. It is frankly unfair and very poor public policy to saddle criminal justice systems with responsibility for responding to people with mental illnesses in crisis, but that is the reality in America today. As I said, police officers around the country spend many hours transporting people to hospitals, and sit for hours in emergency rooms, only to see the same people back out again on the streets in a matter of a few hours. The time these officers spend in doing so is time they are unable to spend fighting crime. In 2000, this Committee demonstrated its commitment by enacting America's Law Enforcement and Mental Health Project, as Senator DeWine said, a bill that authorized funding for mental health courts, and this bill indeed represents the next logical step forward. Senator DeWine and Senator Leahy, we applaud you for scheduling a hearing to tackle these troubling problems. Senator DeWine, we are deeply grateful for your introduction of the legislation and, Senator Leahy, for your cosponsorship, that provides an important approach to badly needed community reform. This legislation wisely recognizes that solutions will ultimately be found in communities, and what the Federal Government can do and what good legislation must do is provide support for a wide range of collaborative community programs that provide avenues for effective and appropriate treatment. I would like to use the remaining few minutes to make the following five points. First, it is critically important that collaboration occur among all elements of the criminal justice and mental health systems if efforts to reduce criminalization of people with mental illnesses are to succeed. And I might add that this collaboration is also necessary at the Federal level between the Department of Justice, the Department of Health and Human Services, and other key Federal agencies. Second, jail diversion and community reentry programs will succeed only when mental health services and supports are available to address the needs of individuals in these programs. A more thorough explanation of the types of services needed is contained in my written testimony. Third, the best form of jail diversion is that which occurs prior to arrest and incarceration. For example, different approaches to pre-booking diversion have emerged, such as the nationally-renowned Memphis, Tennessee, Police Crisis Intervention Team program, which has now been replicated, I am very pleased to say, in over 50 communities across the country. Fourth, a wide range of post-booking diversion strategies exist, tailored to local needs and systems. Most notable, of course, among these are mental health courts, which NAMI is very pleased to report have been now adopted in approximately 70 communities across the country, many in Ohio, several in Vermont. But there are other successful models, as well. Finally, discharge planning and reentry services for individuals with mental illnesses reentering the community are critically important. Successful reintegration is frequently hampered by lack of services and the failure to restore benefits lost or suspended during incarceration. The Campaign applauds the sponsors of S. 1194 for recognizing this and ensuring that grant funds can be used to support vital community reentry services. Once again, I thank you and am very grateful that I have had this opportunity to testify. I look forward to any questions you might have. [The prepared statement of Mr. Honberg appears as a submission for the record.] Senator DeWine. Thank you very much. Sheriff? STATEMENT OF DONALD F. ESLINGER, SHERIFF, SEMINOLE, COUNTY, FLORIDA, SANFORD, FLORIDA Sheriff Eslinger. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I, too, would like to congratulate you and commend you on your leadership concerning this very important piece of legislation. Senator Leahy, thank you very much for your leadership as well. I am the Sheriff of Seminole County, and based on my experience I can assure you that the provisions contained in this bill are clearly needed to stem the ever-growing tide of the mentally ill within the criminal justice system. Ironically, it was five years ago this month that Seminole County lost Deputy Sheriff Eugene Gregory in a tragic incident that is emblematic of the crisis of untreated mental illness. Deputy Gregory, responding to a disturbance call, ended up in a confrontation with Alan Singletary, a man whose schizophrenia went untreated for years, despite his family's efforts to get him to accept treatment. Alan killed Deputy Gregory, wounded two other deputies, and himself was killed in the ensuing 13- hour standoff. It was that tragedy that made me recognize the inescapable conclusion that we have to shift the focus of intervention for people with untreated mental illness away from law enforcement and the criminal justice system back to professionals who are trained to provide care and treatment for individuals with severe mental illness. The Senate bill provides critically needed resources for alternatives to incarceration, including training of law enforcement officers and mental health providers, and fostering collaboration among community stakeholders. With these resources, we have a greater hope of accomplishing really three main goals: number one, preventing fatal encounters involving law enforcement officers and those who are suffering from mental illness, as well as preventing unnecessary injuries that often occur during these crisis situations; number two, responding to the intense fiscal pressures in our counties throughout America, as well as making better use of public safety resources by not just treating symptoms of the problem, but looking at the underlying causation and addressing it. The loss of Deputy Gregory and Alan Singletary were far from an isolated incident and is not unique to Florida. Just since that tragedy in July of 1998, at least 175 other people with mental illness and 28 law enforcement officers have been killed in altercations across this Nation, 6 in D.C. and Maryland alone. This month, five mentally ill people have been killed in encounters with law enforcement. We now know that mental illness is a factor in many police shootings. In fact, people with mental illnesses are four times more likely to be killed in these encounters than the general population. It is critical to train officers to deescalate crisis situations. Seminole County has fully implemented the Memphis Model for CIT, a proven approach that fosters partnerships between law enforcement and the community. CIT has been shown to reduce officer injury rates five-fold. Equally as important is to prevent these incidents from ever occurring, because even the best training is no substitute for having medical professionals handle medical crises. The most effective way to prevent these violent episodes and deadly encounters is to prevent them by providing earlier intervention and treatment. This is not only the safest approach, but it is the most cost-effective. Lack of treatment impacts county budgets significantly in costs of personnel, incarceration, treatment within the system, emergency care, and even lawsuits. I am aware of at least seven lawsuits stemming from police shootings filed or settled since April of this year, some in excess of $1 million. When there are no alternatives to incarceration, the mentally ill begin to swell inmate populations in local jails and prisons. Mr. Chairman, as you alluded to, we now have over 300,000 incarcerated mentally ill in county and State prisons throughout this country, nearly six times the number in State psychiatric hospitals. These individuals are ill and most don't belong in jail. I will abridge my comments, Mr. Chairman, for the sake of moving on. I would be delighted to answer any questions, but I must say again, to reiterate what you had conveyed, fostering community collaboration is a vital component of this bill. The deaths of Deputy Gregory and Alan Singletary inspired our community to collaborate to prevent such tragedies and improve the lives of people with severe mental illness. It is my hope that Senate bill 1194 will be a part of Gene and Alan's legacy, making certain that people with mental illness get treatment before tragedy. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. [The prepared statement of Sheriff Eslinger appears as a submission for the record.] Senator DeWine. Sheriff, thank you very much. Senator Campbell. STATEMENT OF HON. JOHN F. CAMPBELL, MEMBER, VERMONT STATE SENATE, QUECHEE, VERMONT Mr. Campbell. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Let's make sure we get this on. Senator DeWine. You have to have those really close, is what we have learned here. Mr. Campbell. My children will like that, also. Senator Leahy. What happened, John, is we had too many snippets on the evening news with open mikes, everything from planning golf games to sometimes a little bit stronger. So we are being a little more careful around here. Mr. Campbell. Well, Don and I were planning our golf game before, but we will hold off until after the hearing. Good afternoon, Mr. Chairman, Senator Leahy. My name is John Campbell. I am a member of the Vermont State Senate, where I serve as the majority leader, and also serve on the Judiciary and the Appropriations Committee. First, I would like to thank you for inviting me here today to speak in support of S. 1194, the Mentally Offender Treatment and Crime Reduction Act of 2003. As a former law enforcement officer and attorney for over 20 years and a current State legislator, I believe I have a unique perspective on the issues that we are discussing here today. During my time as a police officer, I frequently found myself called to scenes involving petty thefts, disturbances, and public intoxication. It was not uncommon to find the suspects of these crimes to be acting paranoid or behaving erratically. While I was quite able to handle the criminal aspect of the situation, I was not trained to deal with the complex underlying issues of mental illness and substance abuse. Although there were times that it was necessary to arrest and incarcerate certain individuals with mental illnesses in order to protect the public, others who had committed low-level crimes, non-violent, as a result of their mental illness should have been referred to a mental health agency. Unfortunately, such care was rarely available, which left us with no other option other than to transport them to the county jail, not a fine place for someone who is suffering from mental illness. Police officers today are better trained to recognize and deal with these situations. However, they still find the process of securing diagnosis and treatment extremely frustrating. They find that the treatment providers may refuse to accept an individual for several reasons--lack of health care coverage, acuity of the illness, denying responsibility for the treatment of that person's specific diagnosis. In cases where an individual is eligible for services, the officer may find themselves waiting hours before that person is admitted. In other cases, the person is admitted for treatment, but often discharged shortly thereafter, and sometimes is back on the street before the police officer even makes it back to finish his report. Requiring police officers to act as quasi-mental health care providers places an unreasonable burden on them, the department, and their communities. The time required to facilitate treatment for individuals keeps the officers from performing their normal patrol functions and forces departments to either hire additional personnel or expose the community to a lack of police coverage. This is especially troublesome in rural communities, such as Vermont, as reduced police presence there sometimes means the difference between having one officer and having none at all. While the initial responsibility for finding placement for these individuals often falls upon law enforcement, a burden felt by the communities, the ones who really suffer, the ones who truly suffer are those who are afflicted, and also their families. They simply have no place to go. This disjoined spectrum of responsibility is never more evident than when dealing with co-occurrence disorder. Individuals who suffer from co-occurrence find themselves the proverbial hot potato, tossed among the mental health agencies, substance abuse facilities, and the criminal justice system. These agencies and organizations have good intentions. All of them seek to break that cycle. However, unless there is a collaborative effort, it is inevitable that the individual will find themselves interacting with the criminal justice system. The systemic dysfunction is not isolated to any one area. From large urban areas to small communities such as my own in Quechee, Vermont, people are in dire need of integrated services. I often represent families in crisis, and in the majority of these cases you will find an underlying mental health problem. It is extremely frustrating to search for a solution for these families. Too often, we come up short as a result of fragmented and insufficient resources to deal with the issues. It is devastating to watch families implode over issues that, if treated, could be managed. Mothers and fathers have to stand by as their children self-medicate themselves with alcohol and drugs in order to escape the personal horrors of their mental illness. Passage of S. 1194 will promote the types of integrated treatment and collaborative efforts between the criminal justice system and the mental health organizations that could spare many of these families those agonies. As an elected official, I appreciate more than ever the fiscal implications of the existing problem. Having to provide mental health treatment in an incarcerated setting is neither cost-effective nor clinically sound. A community-based approach would provide more complex services at a far greater service to the taxpayers. Many States have implemented programs for just these reasons. Vermont is one of them. One of our more effective programs is taking place in two of our largest communities, Burlington and Brattleboro. It is called the Co-Occurring Disorders Treatment Project, which promotes public safety and health by offering comprehensive, integrated mental health and substance abuse services to those individuals with both psychiatric and substance abuse disorders and who have ongoing involvement in the criminal justice system. Quite simply, as everyone has said so far, we can't do this without you. There is no way that we are going to bring collaborative services to our communities without your help, and therefore I would ask that anything we can do to help you support and pass S. 1194. If there are any questions, I would be more than happy to answer them later. [The prepared statement of Mr. Campbell appears as a submission for the record.] Senator DeWine. Senator, thank you very much. Director Wilkinson. STATEMENT OF REGINALD A. WILKINSON, DIRECTOR, OHIO DEPARTMENT OF REHABILITATION AND CORRECTION, COLUMBUS, OHIO, ON BEHALF OF THE ASSOCIATION OF STATE CORRECTIONAL ADMINISTRATORS Mr. Wilkinson. Good afternoon. Thank you, Senator DeWine, Chairman Hatch, and Ranking Member Leahy, for inviting me to testify regarding Senate bill 1194. My name is Reggie Wilkinson and I am the Director of the Ohio Department of Rehabilitation and Correction. ODRC comprises more than 30 prisons and on any given day our agency supervises 45,000 prisoners housed in our correctional institutions. Moreover, we supervise another 30,000 persons on parole and probation. Today, I not only represent the great State of Ohio that is so ably represented by Senator DeWine, but also the Association of State Correctional Administrators. ASCA is the national organization that represents persons who serve in my position in each of the 50 States and several other jurisdictions in this country. I am the current president of ASCA. I would also like to provide testimony on behalf of the Council of State Governments. They recently undertook a major initiative dealing with the mentally ill offender. Their work culminated in the publishing of a landmark report entitled ``Criminal Justice/Mental Health Consensus Project.'' This bipartisan initiative brought together 100 leading law enforcement and mental health officials in the United States. A brief history. In 1993, following a prison riot at the Southern Ohio Correctional Facility where one correctional officer and nine inmates were killed, a Federal lawsuit was filed in Ohio entitled Dunn v. Voinovich, challenging the constitutionality of Ohio's mental health delivery system in our prisons. We agreed, however, to a five-year consent decree in 1995 and decided to concentrate on, with the oversight of the Federal court, improving our mental health services for the mentally ill prisoner. Throughout the life of this lawsuit--the case was terminated per the settlement in the year 2000--all parties, including the plaintiff's counsel, the court monitor, State's attorneys, correctional administrators, and health care administrators, agreed to manage points of contention privately. Consequently, I am extremely proud of the mental health delivery system that currently exists in the State of Ohio. I consider the current system to be a national benchmark as it relates to prison mental health care. However, I know that it is very difficult, with the budget constraints, that we continue along the current path that I am so proud of today. I think this legislation, Senate bill 1194, can be the single most important positive legislative development for correction and mental health workers to occur in Congress in recent memory. It is gratifying to see a group of leaders in the Senate rally as they have under Senator DeWine's and others' leadership around a bill that practitioners and policymakers alike will agree can save lives, increase public safety, and reduce State and local government spending. First, save lives. Our Nation's prisons, where more than 1.3 million persons are incarcerated on any given day, and our jails, which book about 10 million people annually, house more people with mental illness than do our country's mental health institutions. In fact, I often claim that correctional administrators are de facto mental health directors. That is enormously frustrating for us in the corrections community. Our principal job is to incapacitate and rehabilitate persons who are dangerous to the community, not to hospitalize sick people. Although we believe criminals with a mental illness should be punished, we also know that a correctional environment is hardly conducive to recovery for a person with mental health problems, especially a seriously mentally ill person or a person with an Axis 1 diagnosis. Not surprisingly, inmates with untreated mental illness are at a high risk of committing suicide or being victimized by predatory inmates. Public safety. The growing involvement of persons with mental illness in the criminal justice system has enormous public safety implications. Many offenders with mental illness have committed a crime that makes their incarceration necessary and appropriate. Still, nearly all inmates with a mental illness will be released from prison at some point. Unless we provide these offenders with the services and treatment they need while they are incarcerated, we are virtually guaranteeing that they will commit new crimes when they return to the community. Nevertheless, few corrections systems are able to prepare inmates for adequate release following their incarceration. Not surprisingly, studies have shown that rates of recidivism for persons with a mental illness should concern all elected officials. Senate bill 1194 can promote effective reentry planning for persons with a mental illness through efforts such as encouraging mental health providers to come into correctional facilities and connect with the offender prior to release and ensuring inmates have an adequate supply of medication upon their release. Typically, two weeks of psychotropic medication is provided to offenders once they are released from our custody. Reduced spending. Nearly every State in the Nation now knows that it is extremely expensive to manage persons with a mental illness. We have found out in the corrections business that we are no longer recession-proof, that we have enormous responsibilities and great fiscal burdens. Speaking on behalf of persons in my capacity, we are hoping that Senate bill 1194 will continue with its current path in due speed. [The prepared statement of Mr. Wilkinson appears as a submission for the record.] Senator DeWine. Thank you very much. Ms. Atkins. STATEMENT OF RHONDA ATKINS, SARASOTA, FLORIDA Ms. Atkins. Chairman DeWine, I am very grateful to be here today in support of Senate bill 1194, the Mentally Ill Offender Treatment and Crime Reduction Act of 2003. My name is Rhonda Atkins. I am the mother of a 25-year-old mentally ill daughter from Sarasota, Florida. My daughter would have been spared a great deal of torment, as well as our entire family, had these things been in place ten years ago. My daughter suffers from a severe mental illness, bipolar disorder, and for much of these last ten years she has cycled in and out of psychiatric hospitals--rather, ping-ponged from psychiatric hospitals to substance abuse treatment centers-- inconsistent treatment, and her condition has steadily grown worse over the years. She is presently in treatment, after struggling for literally most of these last ten years to have her in long-term treatment. I will never forget what it is like when she is not in treatment. When she is not on her proper medication, she becomes very symptomatic, with mania. Some of the symptoms of that would be extreme irrationality, hyper speech to the point where she can hardly be understood. She doesn't think the way that you or I do when she is suffering from one of these episodes. She can become paranoid, thinking that those of us who are trying to help her, who love her, who want to get assistance for her, are trying to make her think that she is crazy, that it is we who have the problem and she is fine. She becomes delusional, very poor judgment, very dangerous to herself. There have been many, many nights, countless nights when I have not known where my beautiful daughter was, sometimes for a night, sometimes for a week, up to three months at one time. Like many people with mental illness, she sometimes doesn't think that she is ill and doesn't want to take her medication. She had not been consistently in treatment long enough to really gain the insight to understand that she indeed is ill and it would behoove her to stay in treatment or stay on medication. Like so many other people with mental illness, she has tried to calm the chatter in her own mind with substance- abusing, which only makes her symptoms worse and the situation worse. She has often been uncontrollable and we have many times been afraid of what she would do to herself. She has indeed tried to harm herself on numerous occasions by wrist-cutting, overdosing, and things like that. When someone gets that sick and when the mental health system doesn't respond, usually the first line of recourse is the police. There have been numerous times when we have had to have police officers come to our home. Some have been educated enough to know how to deescalate a situation. There were others. I will never forget the one who very roughly handled her and said that if you were my daughter, I would knock you across the room. As you can imagine, that can throw fire upon a very tense situation already and cause problems that would not have been necessary, They might have deescalated a situation and gotten her into a safe situation had they been better trained to deal with a mentally ill person. The first time my daughter was arrested was for a trespassing charge. Each time she brushed with the law, we would hope that then would be the moment that we would get some assistance that we needed to get her into treatment that we knew she needed. Sometimes, when we would get into a situation, there were no services for her to be diverted to, or if there were services, there were waiting lists for those services. Waiting lists are just--when you need the treatment, you need it now. Six months from now doesn't serve someone who desperately needs to be in safe care in the moment. She has been arrested on a drug charge, which isn't surprising because when she is self-medicating, it will just often lead to that. There was one occasion when she was arrested on a drug charge and actually went through a drug court, but even then there was no real understanding or integration of services for substance abuse and mentally ill offenders. So rather than having an integrated approach to working with my daughter, she was just in the drug treatment program. Actually, a social worker in the program had discouraged her from taking her medication, which was lithium, which resulted in her deescalating, becoming manic again, and an a series of hospitalizations occurred after that. I believe in a 3-year period, there were, I think, 20, 21 hospitalizations, which is very costly to the State. My statements to those in charge were it would be so much less expensive if you treated this on the front end rather than the repeated hospitalizations, the jail, all of those occurrences. The very tragic thing about so much of this is that my daughter is intelligent. She is a beautiful young woman, and while many of her friends were starting careers, getting married, having babies, my daughter spent years drifting through the streets, in and out of the jail system and emergency rooms, living among drug dealers. Within the last three years, she was sleeping in cat feces. She weighed 81 pounds at one point. Her body was covered with sores, and still we couldn't get her in long-term care. This bill could have saved years of my daughter's life. It could have saved us a great deal of heartache and grief early on, because this is an illness that doesn't affect just the person who has the illness, but it affects the entire family. The reality under current law is that law enforcement officers often are the ones who are the first line of response for people with mental illness. I am deeply in support of this bill to encourage what is needed on every level of working with those with mental illness in all levels of the system. Nothing can be gained by putting a person on a waiting list. My daughter has a brain disease, and these people need help; they simply need help. I felt personally compelled to come here today to plead with you to pass this bill. There are many people suffering who will continue to suffer without its passage. I am here to speak on behalf of all of us, all the families across the State of Florida, where I am from, and across the Nation who suffer from this illness. Please pass this bill so that another mother won't have to watch her daughter or her child deteriorate the way that my daughter has. Thank you. [The prepared statement of Ms. Atkins appears as a submission for the record.] Senator DeWine. Thank you very much. Justice Stratton. STATEMENT OF HON. EVELYN LUNDBERG STRATTON, JUSTICE, SUPREME COURT OF OHIO, COLUMBUS, OHIO Justice Stratton. Thank you very much, Senator Leahy and Senator DeWine, for allowing me the privilege of coming and sharing with you. You have heard much today about the problems that have brought us to this bill. I hope to share with you a little different focus on why this bill can be successful and why this bill can make a difference. My own story that brought me here is that about eight years ago I received a call from the governor's office appointing me to the Ohio Supreme Court. As you can imagine, it was one of the most exciting moments of my life. That same week, my 12- year-old son ended up in a mental hospital seriously depressed and suicidal, and I went from the biggest highs during the day to the biggest lows at night, holding his hand, wondering if he was going to live. Then I went to court and sat on the bench and looked at the defendants in front of me who had absolutely no mental health care. If they were alcoholic and drug-addicted but had a mental health problem, Drug and Alcohol wouldn't take them. If they were mentally ill but had a felony, the mental health system wouldn't take them. So I put them in jail, often more for their protection than anything else. I felt a compelling need to do something. So two years ago I went to the chief and asked if I could establish a task force. He said we have no money. I said I will do it on my own. I called together some experts in the field and said I don't know anything about this, but I want to make a difference, help me. We got people from Mental Health, from Drug and Alcohol, from Sheriff's, from Probation, from NAMI, from the Ohio Advocates for the Mentally Ill. We put together a statewide task force and we started to try to find solutions. We have met every month for two years now, and every meeting our goal is to come forward with something positive, not a white paper, not a study, but something to move forward to make a difference in this State. We have now over 20 counties that have either a mental health court or some program specifically aimed at the mentally ill in the jails. Every major city in Ohio now has a CIT program. We have over 150 law enforcement officers that came to the last NAMI convention, something totally unprecedented. We are even now going to the campus police and offering training for campus police. Our goal is to get every single county to put together a collaborative task force. I have a waiting list a mile long of counties that want me to come, but I still have no staff, no resources. I make all my site visits myself. My law clerks type all my letters. We are doing it on our own, but we are still making a difference because collaboration is what works. I wish to give you an example of one county where it worked. Some people came to me from Franklin County and said, we have a serious problem. We have all these mentally ill. We know you are doing something. Can you come and help us? One of the advantages of my job is judges tend to return my phone calls. So I called some judges, I called some local people. We had ten people that met over a year-and-a-half ago, tried to put a little group together, and discovered the Department of Mental Health had funded a grant program for Franklin County, for the jails. The judges had never heard of it. We had 500 beds funded by the Community Shelter Board for the Mentally Ill and Homeless. The judges had never heard of it. We had a program that trained the mentally ill to work. The judges had never heard of it. That committee now has 55 people on it. It has started a mental health program in the Franklin County muni court and a drug court in the common pleas court. It has received two grants. One is from your mental health bill that you passed before. They are starting two CIT programs in the city of Columbus, and that program not only deals with the mentally ill in the jails, but they have started to find so many other ways to collaborate and work together outside of the jail system and not duplicate and waste resources. So it has been a tremendous success just in one county alone. A judge from Seneca County started this with the Juvenile Court, trying to deal with the juveniles in his court. He got together the schools, mental health, and drug and alcohol folks, and got them to work on the problem in their county. When he first met with them, they sat on opposite sides of the room, wouldn't even talk to each other, Drug and Alcohol one side, Mental Health on the other. By the fourth meeting, they were intermingling. They are currently now having an intervention program that tries to identify kids before they even are declared a criminal defendant, before they are even arrested, to intervene and work with them. This program can further that type of collaboration. It can provide that key seed money. I have a staff attorney and she has a sister named Sheree. Sheree had a drug and alcohol problem, a mental health problem, and had been arrested several times. Last week, Sheree died of a drug overdose. To others, she was a statistic; she was a mentally ill, drug-addicted criminal defendant. But to us, she was a sister, a mother, a daughter, a wife. She left four children. She was 46. There was no mental health program in her community. We were too late to help Sheree and we may be too late to help others, but we can really make a difference with this bill, with the catalyst this funding can provide, to get that collaboration going that can make such a difference. Thank you. [The prepared statement of Justice Stratton appears as a submission for the record.] Senator DeWine. Well, I want to thank all of our witnesses for some very compelling testimony. Let me turn now to Senator Leahy. Senator Leahy. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I think this has been a very good hearing. You know, there are a million things going on right now on the Hill. The Senate is in session and we are having votes and doing other things. That is why there are so few here. There are, however, a number of staff members of various Senators, key Senators on this on both sides of the aisle, and I have a feeling that a synopsis of all your testimony, the six of you, is going to be in the must-reading book for a lot of Senators tonight. Let me ask Senator Campbell this question, and I ask this not to be parochial, but I think probably the same question can be asked in any small State or any basically rural areas. Can you give me examples of what Federal funding provided under the Mentally Ill Offenders Treatment and Crime Reduction Act that we are talking about--what funding under that would allow a small State like Vermont to do that it wouldn't otherwise be able to do? Mr. Campbell. Senator, I think especially small States, but even some of the ones that maybe are not as far advanced in their State programs regarding mental illness--we are trying to start with the mental health court. We now have a pilot program for drug courts, and in coming up with the ideas for these programs we are following the lead of a lot of other States. It is wonderful to start the programs, but unless we have the resources to actually treat the folks that are coming through the programs, we are not going to be successful here. Then we are just going to be again back here in a few years talking about other programs and trying to get other grants. I believe that with the Federal funds that this bill would suggest, we would be able to make sure that the drug courts and the mental health courts not only are implemented, but they are sustained. That is really the key here, is the sustainability of the programs. In addition to that, we need to make sure that we have the resources available to have the collaborative effect that you are seeking under this bill. So with that, with the funds that are provided here, I think we will be able to make a difference. Without them, I don't see us fiscally being able to handle it in the State budgets. Senator Leahy. Are there other things we see in a rural area? We have very small police departments. I suspect rural Ohio and rural Illinois, or any other State represented here also have very small police departments. Are these among the biggest problems? We have heard Ms. Atkins talk about a police officer reacting to her daughter. We have heard the sheriff speak and others speak about how you react when you go there. Is this an insurmountable problem? Mr. Campbell. I don't think it is, but I tell you the training of police officers is so important. I can understand Ms. Atkins's dismay over something like that, and as a former law enforcement officer, I cringed when I heard that story. Especially in rural areas like we have, as you know, the State police do a wonderful job in Vermont. However, they are spread very thin. We are right now down 40 to 45 officers. Sometimes, in the rural areas, the only people we have actually patrolling are the sheriff's department, which only has about two or three people, and most of those are part-time folks, or constables. The sheriff's department in Vermont--a lot of the sheriffs, and also the constables, are not trained in these areas specifically. So we have that problem to deal with. In addition to that, we have an issue that when you are in such a rural area, everything is so spread out that it is very difficult to get the services and use the urban models that seem to be effective here in those rural areas because of the fact that there is not enough training. So this bill, I believe, would effectively enable the mental health communities, the corrections and the substance abuse communities, to train the folks within these smaller communities, train the police officers, and train the constables to make sure that they are available to help in crisis situations and to continue with the wrap-around services, and also to make sure that it is not just a one-time shot, that they follow them all the way through until there is some type of recovery. Senator Leahy. You have the obvious problem we have with juveniles; they get out and nobody does follow-up. I know it is one of the things that both Senator DeWine and I have talked about, and I would hope that this would allow us to do something in that kind of a follow-up. Mr. Campbell. If I may read, this is from the Juvenile Justice Commission report of February 2003. I couldn't sum it up better, but this kind of lets us know about how our juvenile justice is in Vermont. ``Vermont's juvenile and youth justice response represents a fragmented array of programs and interventions. There is no clearly defined, consistent, or coordinated statewide response for juveniles and young offenders, nor are efforts woven into a large continuum of care for children and families. The State Agency of Health Services, working in partnership with the judiciary, communities, and families, need to bring these efforts together and create an integrated and coordinated system of care.'' That sums it up right there, and we can have wonderful programs, but unless it is a collaborative and integrated affair, then we are not going to be successful. Senator Leahy. Well, you know, I couldn't agree with you more from my own experience, and certainly from the things that you have done and others have done in Vermont on this, but also from some of the other testimony Senator DeWine and I have heard. I would like to ask Dr. Wilkinson, what about law enforcement and corrections officers and mental health problems? I mean, you come from a much larger State than Senator Campbell and I do. Are they willing to work together? I am talking about law enforcement and corrections and mental health. Are there obstacles to coordinating? Are there things that could be done better? What is your general take on that? Mr. Wilkinson. I think the obstacle that exists more so than anything else has been the fact that people have not brought folks together that need to be in the same room, like Justice Stratton is currently doing. I think that is the first thing, and a lot of the problems that we can solve can be solved without a whole lot of money, which brings us to the second problem. Sometimes, money can't be avoided when we are talking about the need to get persons who appear to be acting out, and sometimes that behavior is criminal and sometimes it is deviant behavior as a result of a psychosis, for example. If there are not crisis centers for police to refer persons to, if there is no crisis intervention training and first responders can't adequately identify unusual behavior that might be a mental illness, then those persons are going to travel through the criminal justice system and cause taxpayers of all of our jurisdictions to spend multi-million dollars on something that could have been avoided at the very beginning of this process. Senator Leahy. To say nothing about the risk to others, themselves, and everybody within the system. Mr. Wilkinson. That is exactly right, and it is very expensive once they are in the system. The cost of housing a person who is mentally ill is extremely more costly than it is to house a person without a mental illness. You take the statistic that Senator DeWine mentioned. About 16 percent of all the persons in prison have a mental illness, and half of them have an Axis 1 serious mental illness. We are talking about an awful lot of money. But on your original question of do we work together, the answer is unequivocally, absolutely yes, and it is happening. But part of the problem that relates to that is that we don't tell those stories well enough. So I think part of the bill addresses that we not only need to give grant money to jurisdictions who apply for it; we need to dissect what is going on and share that with other jurisdictions across this country. Senator Leahy. Thank you. Well, I think what Judge Stratton has said, as you have mentioned, is important there. Mr. Chairman, I will put my other questions in the record. I just might say, Ms. Atkins, obviously all of us who are parents up here feel for what you are going through and hope that someday the best solution will come of that. Sheriff, there is no way to bring back Deputy Gregory, but all of us, again, on this Committee share your sadness at his death. Thank you all for taking the time. It is not easy to work out time for people to come to testify and I appreciate it. Ms. Atkins, do you want to say something? Ms. Atkins. I just wanted to say that it is wonderful to be at a table in a group with a cooperative spirit of everyone working together, because as my daughter shuffled through the system it has been so fragmented and to have everyone working together is just what I have prayed for for ten years. Senator Leahy. Thank you. Senator DeWine. Ms. Atkins, we just appreciate your testimony very much and the fact that you would come and share your story with us. I take it that your daughter is doing better today? Ms. Atkins. She is doing better today. She was in residential treatment for a year and she is in a therapeutic community presently, still in treatment, but a step down from where she has been. And I can honestly tell you that a year- and-a-half ago, no one thought she would be alive today. Because she has been in treatment, we have hope that she is going to continue with her recovery. She is doing better presently than she has in the last ten years. Senator DeWine. Good. Well, we wish her well and we wish you well. Ms. Atkins. Thank you. Senator DeWine. Sheriff, you gave in your written testimony some very alarming statistics and pointed out something, I think, that we should know and maybe we don't think enough about, and that is how very dangerous it is for the police officer and how dangerous it is for the defendant, the criminal, when that criminal has a mental problem. You pointed out how many people just in the last month have been killed when that person had a mental problem. I mean, the sheriff or the deputy or the police officer goes in and tries to make an arrest. If that person whom he is arresting has a mental problem, that is a high-risk proposition for both of them. I guess it just points out maybe the need for this bill, but also points out the need for training. Ms. Atkins gave some testimony that would indicate sometimes maybe we don't have enough training for those officers. I got a letter after I introduced this bill, a copy of a letter that was sent to some of my colleagues from another State from, again, a mother who had some similar experiences that Ms. Atkins had relating about her child, her experiences with officers. I think we are doing a better job today than we were probably when I was a county prosecutor 30 years ago. But how well are we doing? How often do we have these crisis intervention teams? How many jurisdictions have crisis intervention teams? Could you just kind of reflect on that for us? Sheriff Eslinger. I do believe that law enforcement administrators throughout this country recognize that the mental health issue is not just a humanitarian issue or a public health issue, but it is also a public safety issue as well. I believe that a lot of agencies--and NAMI can back us-- have moved to CIT and much more can be done in the area of training. But what the bill also does, Mr. Chairman, is to provide earlier intervention. Law enforcement is called upon only during a crisis situation and we need to shift the focus of that intervention back to the mental health professionals. In the State of Florida, law enforcement conducts 34 percent more Baker Acts, which is our involuntary examination, than DUI arrests. We average over 115 a day of Florida's Baker Act law. That is more than aggravated assault, that is more than burglary arrests that we make, and we need to shift the burden back. In fact, in half the counties in the State of Florida, nearly half of the counties, no mental health professional is involved in administering the Baker Act; it is law enforcement. What your bill will do is not only develop that collaboration, but it will also shift focus back to the mental health professional and provide greater assistance in community-based treatment. Senator Durbin. But it is a safety issue, and it is a safety issue for the officer, it is a safety issue for the person they are going to arrest, and maybe a safety issue for innocent bystanders as well. Sheriff Eslinger. As I mentioned earlier, Mr. Chairman, those who suffer from mental illness are four times more likely to be involved in a fatal police shooting. Senator DeWine. A staggering statistic. I am going to have to move on. Let me ask Mr. Honberg and anybody else who wants to comment on what our experience has been with the mental health courts. They are of fairly recent origin. They are certainly of recent origin on the Federal level, but before our bill was enacted there were some mental health courts at the State level that had already been started. Ours didn't start it. We were trying to add to that and put kind of the Federal seal of approval on them, and we were glad to be able to do that. What has been the experience at the local level? Mr. Honberg. Well, you know, they are a relatively new phenomenon. Senator DeWine. Yes, they are. That is why I asked. Mr. Honberg. Yes, despite the fact that there are over 70, so they have certainly devolved like wildfire around the country. So, you know, in terms of formal data, it is just starting to come out. I think based on what we have heard today, first of all, the first point I would make is that it is pretty obvious that any mechanism that can link people with needed treatment and with treatment for co-occurring, for not only their mental illness but substance abuse, is good. I would say that the early data that I have seen, at least, in places like Broward County is very favorable. For example, the court has been successful in linking people with treatment. The court has been successful in preventing recidivism. Very few people who have been under the jurisdiction of the court have re-offended. Another intangible that is difficult to measure is sort of the experience of the individuals who have come through the court, by and large people who have reported that the experiences have been very positive. They have not been coercive. They have felt that the judge and the court were very supportive. One other point I would make is that the judges--I have met a number of judges and the judges, as is true for Justice Stratton, have come real advocates and sort of use their bench as a bully pulpit to advocate for services that don't exist. Again, using Broward County as an example, where there is just a lack of community mental health services, lack of housing, the judge has been able to go before the legislature and actually lobby and get resources for housing and for treatment for mental illness and substance abuse. So, again, I would make the point that it is not the only approach, that there are a number of different approaches that need to be tried, and it is up to each community to decide to work best. Mental health courts certainly seem to me to be a very positive development and a very positive experience for those who have been through them. Senator DeWine. Justice Stratton? Justice Stratton. There are, in fact, not very many statistics because they are all relatively new, but the oldest one in Ohio is the Akron court, Judge Stormer. She had a drug court, started the mental health docket within her drug court, devoted two full days to just people who were mentally ill and also had a co-occurring disorder, helped put together the task force that started the CIT program. And not just because of the court, but because of the CIT diverting to the facility the community agreed on, her docket has dropped in half. She only has one day a week now for the people who are mentally ill. The anecdotal stories of the physical changes in appearance, people who started getting jobs who haven't worked for years, people going back to college--the stories these judges tell of the difference in the lives of people from the first day they appeared to when they graduated from the program are just heart-warming. Senator DeWine. The main emphasis, frankly, of this bill is the collaborative effort, and what we require is law enforcement has to be a part of it and the mental health community has to be a part of it. I am going to quote something that Justice Stratton wrote in her prepared testimony. She says, ``Taxpayer dollars are paying for police officers to repeatedly arrest, transport, and process mentally ill defendants, as well as for jail costs associated with treatment, crisis intervention, salaries of judges, and, of course, staff prosecutors and defense attorneys and many more hidden costs. The question becomes would we rather spend these dollars to keep mentally ill citizens homeless, revolving in and out of our criminal justice system, or would we rather spend these dollars to help them become stable, productive citizens?'' I guess the question then is, you know, why aren't we doing this more? Senator Leahy asked Director Wilkinson that, and I would ask maybe some of the rest of you the question. Why haven't we in the past been doing more of these collaborative efforts and what is it that has stopped us from doing that? Is it money? Is it culture, a culture that means that law enforcement doesn't talk to treatment, treatment doesn't talk to substance abuse people? We have all kind of seen that over the years. I think we are doing better, but what is it? Mr. Wilkinson. My first take is the squeaky wheel gets the grease. We have not squeaked loud enough, like law enforcement and like some other venues have. We are here squeaking today, Senator, that there are other ways that we can skin the public safety cat, that we can divert funds to. But we can't forget about the public safety notion that we are currently doing. It has to be a gradual process. But probably more so than anything else, it is going to take leadership for people to have a bigger vision about tackling the mental health problem, the co-occurring disorder problem, the problem for people who have retardation. It is going to take people who can tie all of that together and see a bigger picture of answers rather than what we have seen before. Otherwise, it is going to be business as usual. Mr. Campbell. Senator, if I could add, in fact, I was quite shocked. When I learned first about the co-occurrence about three years ago when I had a constituent that was going through this with her daughter, similar very much to Ms. Atkins, I was shocked. I couldn't believe that they weren't dealing with both issues at once. Everyone was trying to point the finger at someone else. It was like turf wars almost and people were concerned about who was going to get what funding, and if we don't justify our position and our use here, then we are not going to get the funds. I find that to be abhorrent and I am glad that we are finally discussing it, and your bill here is going to force the States to make sure that they do work in a collaborative fashion. Senator DeWine. Justice Stratton? Justice Stratton. I think it has been a culture issue more than anything. I have found that groups just never talk to each other, like the experience I had with Franklin County. The trial courts are very isolated from the mental health community. Drug and Alcohol is very fixed with their funding. When I brought them to the table and said let's talk together and they started talking, barriers came down and people found ways to work together. I have had almost no resistance to people working together. The Department of Corrections sits on our board, Probation sits on our board, and Mental Health. All these people started talking. That is what it makes a difference. Senator DeWine. Everybody is well-intended, everybody wants to do the right thing. It is just that when you get up in the morning, that is not what you do. I mean, you just don't work with the other group. You just go about and do your own business. I mean, we have all been in courthouses. We know how things work. You know, the mental health folks are over here and substance abuse is over here, and we are doing our thing-- as a prosecutor, we did our thing in criminal justice and we just didn't necessarily work together. Justice Stratton. But where your bill can really make a difference is that sometimes funding is a galvanizing force; it is a catalyst. When communities say, okay, there is some funding available, but we have got to put a task force together and we have got to communicate and we have got to collaborate before we can get the funding, it is the catalyst that can get that to happen. So in that sense, it can really be important. Senator DeWine. That is the idea. Senator Durbin. STATEMENT OF HON. RICHARD J. DURBIN, A U.S. SENATOR FROM THE STATE OF ILLINOIS Senator Durbin. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you for this hearing and this important legislation. I would be honored if you would add me as a cosponsor of this bill. Senator DeWine. We appreciate that. Thank you very much. Senator Durbin. Let me also thank the panel for your contributions. Though I wasn't here for your actual testimony, I have reviewed your statements and I appreciate what you have added to this record. I also would like to note for the record that our former colleague, Paul Simon, now at Southern Illinois University in Carbondale, last year held a meeting with former Surgeon General David Satcher on this issue and wrote us all a letter. Obviously, if you didn't get the letter, you were inspired by your own means, but I am glad to be able to tell Paul that-- Senator DeWine. Paul has been a real leader in this area. Paul really gets it, gets the whole problem. Senator Durbin. If it is permitted, I would like to add to the record the findings of his conference last year, which is relevant. Senator DeWine. It will be made a part of the record. Senator Durbin. I would like to ask a few questions based on some of his findings which I think might be interesting if this panel could address. Senator Simon as a result of this asked, or at least requested that all those incarcerated be screened for mental illness, developmental disabilities, and learning disabilities as part of the initial processing as they enter the correctional system. Is that done now or is that something that may or may not emerge during the entire criminal process and may, in fact, emerge later in some instances where it finally is realized that we are dealing with a situation with mental illness? Justice Stratton. It is something that is not done. I don't know about the prison system, but at the local jail system it is frequently not done and it is part of why we have very poor statistics. One of the things we urge in our collaboration effort is an intake process that even asks some basic questions about what mental health illnesses or treatment they have had to even help us identify it. That is one of the things we hope to have funding for. That is one of the things that does require funding, is somebody who can be trained, ask the questions, and deal with the intake process, because we just don't even have any statistics because there is very little done. That is one of the things we are trying to put into the whole collaborative process. I know that the Department of Correction has done some things on that and I would like Reggie to speak to that. Senator Durbin. Before Dr. Wilkinson or others respond, I am tempted to divert my questioning into another line as to how a person can go through a criminal trial, when one of us learned in law school that one of the first questions you asked is whether they had the criminal intent or whether they were capable of forming that criminal intent. If that person is, in fact, seriously mentally ill and it is not even discovered at the point when they are incarcerated, it appears to me that the important question was not asked at an earlier stage that might have related to the guilt of the defendant. Justice Stratton. I can explain how that works. Senator Durbin. Maybe that is for another hearing. I don't know. Justice Stratton. I can explain briefly how that works. At the felony level, most of the time you do catch them when they are screened. It is at the municipal level where they don't. If you have a defendant and you know he has a mental problem, you can plead him out and get him three days and he is out of jail. Do you do that or do you let him go into the process, 30, 60, 90 days before he even gets a hearing and a psychiatric evaluation, sits in jail now 30, 60, 90 days? A lot of the criminal defense attorneys that I talked to said I think it is my duty to get him out of jail as quickly as possible. The problem is it doesn't get at the underlying illness. So they often ignore the mental health problem, or they may be acting competent at that exact moment, but may not have been when they were arrested. There are a lot of factors, but the basic thing is a lot of them consider it better to move them through the system quickly than get them caught up in the mental health process. Senator Durbin. Dr. Wilkinson? Mr. Wilkinson. Senator, there is an awful lot of mental health assessment taking place. We think we do it well. However, that varies across the country in both prisons and jails regarding how well it is done. It is not cheap to do initial assessments of thousands of people who come in and out of your correctional facilities on an annual basis. So we in some cases depend an awful lot on the sentencing courts to give us that information in pre-sentence investigation reports so that we don't have to go back and do our own investigations regarding the pasts of these persons who are coming. Benchmark programs can help resolve that in a significant way. The other thing that we don't do well, including in our system, is detecting those persons who either have a mental illness and deteriorate while they are in prison or the people who develop a mental illness while they are incarcerated. Senator Durbin. So let me take it to the next step. Let's now talk about the population that has now been discovered to be suffering from some form of mental illness and they are incarcerated, and that, I think, has been suggested 16 percent serious mental illness. At least that is our benchmark figure for this discussion. What percentage of those receive medication and treatment during incarceration? Does anyone know? Mr. Wilkinson. Senator, of the 16 percent, we guesstimate about half of those have a serious mental illness, which means that they require a lot more supervision, they require medication, they require in some cases hospitalization. Hospitalization is sometimes short. What we do is have intermediary housing areas where we can take the persons who have a very visible mental illness. A lot of people in our correctional institutions with a mental illness, you don't know it if they are on their medication because they can behave normally with medication. But at least half of that 16 percent is on some sort of psychopharmacology. Mr. Honberg. Senator, if I just could quickly add, I know that in Ohio, in particular, Reggie Wilkinson has done some marvelous things in creating programs. But I have tell you, around the country, the way that people with mental illnesses who are incarcerated in jails and prisons are treated is frequently deplorable. I mean, people may have access to medication if they are overtly psychotic, at least for as long as they are psychotic. But I have seen it many times. People with mental illnesses tend to get sent to the worst units in the prison. There is excessive use of solitary confinement, there is excessive use of seclusion and restraints. It is a nightmare and it is oftentimes in circumstances that are only going to make the symptoms worse. That is why it is so important to have legislation like this and to have a movement like this that is designed to get at least low-level offenders out of these facilities and into community treatment. Senator Durbin. I want to get to two more questions and I don't know how much time I have remaining. Senator DeWine. You have plenty of time. Senator Durbin. Thank you. In the situation where you have someone who is mentally ill and incarcerated and has been diagnosed and is now being treated, who pays for the treatment? Mr. Wilkinson. The taxpayers of that State, sir. Senator Durbin. Is the Federal Government involved at all? Mr. Wilkinson. No. Senator Durbin. No Medicaid, no Medicare? Mr. Wilkinson. No. In fact, the law excludes persons who are in detention from receiving any Medicaid funds whatsoever. Senator Durbin. Justice Stratton? Justice Stratton. One of the problems we are struggling with in Ohio is if you are in jail, just even jail for a shorter-term sentence, after 30 days your Medicaid is cut off. That means now they have to go get a psychiatrist to do a new evaluation to give medications which may be different than what they are used to. If they get out of jail in 60 days, they may not even get the new medication by the time their other 30 days are up. The door is open, they walk out. Now, they have to re-apply for Medicaid. It may be months before they get it. They decompensate and they are back in prison before they ever get back on Medicaid. So it is a reentry problem that we are really having a struggle with as well. Senator Durbin. You have taken me, Justice, to the point I wanted to get to, and this goes back to Senator Simon's conference which he held. He recommended something which I hope Senator DeWine will consider as part of his legislation. He believes that there is a missing link in the current system which you have just noted--access to medication after mentally ill offenders are released. I would like to ask anyone on the panel to discuss the merits of providing Medicaid presumptive eligibility for mentally ill offenders upon release from incarceration. Under presumptive eligibility, mental health and health care providers would be able to grant mentally ill offenders immediate short-term Medicaid eligibility while a formal determination is being made. This presumptive eligibility would be intended to provide immediate access to mental health and health care services such as psychotherapy, medication, and rehab. I think you have just identified the problem. You have someone who, after a long period of time, is finally receiving some medication. Now, they are released, and that should be good news, but it may be the worst news because, being released, they are released without medication or help. Then they have to, if they can ever figure the process out, get into it, make application, and hope that they receive their medication in time before they do something that is harmful to themselves or others. Justice Stratton. One of the things we are working on through both the reentry court and through my committee is trying to set up a process that hooks up a defendant before his sentence ends with the Medicaid process, get the applications in, and get the approval before he steps out the door because most of them--you know, they may be given a two-week supply and they are out the door. They don't even know how to get to a Medicaid office. They don't even know what a Medicaid office is, as you said, to even go through the process. So there is a huge link in there that is fixable. It is very fixable. It is a matter of finding the process to make it work and starting it before they walk out that door. I am delighted to hear you say that because my committee has been struggling with this issue and I am so excited to hear some focus on it because it is a huge problem we have all across the country. Senator Durbin. I want to give my friend, Senator Simon, credit for it. I hope we can consider adding this as part of our conversation on this. If I could ask one last question, and that is it appears to me--I spoke to our Illinois Director of Corrections a couple of years ago about what he was challenged with and he was telling me about the over-crowding situation and the complexity of the inmates, the challenges that they brought, and so forth and so on, and he talked about this issue of mental illness and what to do with it. It struck me that our profile of the qualifications of a corrections officer doesn't reflect the reality of what the Department of Corrections faced today. When we talk about mental illness in the corrections system, for those who can address it, are there people who are being trained and recruited to deal with this new phenomenon so they can recognize the potential mental illness with an early screening or a developing situation and protect those inmates who may be potential suicide victims or victims themselves within the institution? Are we developing that expertise at a time when many States are saying we are out of money, we can barely house the people that are being sent to us, let alone provide any kind of special services? Dr. Wilkinson? Mr. Wilkinson. Senator, it is a great question. The issue relates to basic training for corrections officers. If the corrections system does not do training for first-line personnel such as a corrections officer and others regarding how to detect unusual behaviors--we are not wanting them to be clinicians. We just want them to be able to detect behavior that is unusual so that they can refer that to the proper staff person. A third-shift officer, for example, doesn't have on his or her shift a person that they can immediately get to, other than maybe a third-shift nurse. But that is woefully inadequate when we are talking about a person who has got a serious psychiatric problem and that problem is manifesting itself in a security concern. So if we aren't doing it--and some jurisdictions do it very adequately--if we aren't doing it, then the Federal courts are going to intervene because it is going to manifest itself in a lot of other problems that we don't want to deal with. Senator Durbin. I want to thank the panel and thank you, Mr. Chairman. Senator DeWine. Senator Durbin, thank you very much for very constructive comments. Let me thank our panel. This has been, I think, an excellent hearing. I appreciate the fact that you all are here. Ms. Atkins, thank you very much for coming here notice. Ms. Atkins. Thank you. My pleasure. Senator DeWine. We appreciate your making time to come here and we wish you and your daughter well. We have two statements that need to be entered into the record, which I am going to do. The statement of Chairman Hatch will be made a part of the record. Also, I would like to enter into this record of this hearing a letter from the Chairman of President Bush's New Freedom Commission on Mental Health, Dr. Mike Hogan. Attached to Dr. Hogan's letter are several pages from the commission's July 2003 report that are directly relevant to S. 1194. Again, let me thank all of our witnesses. I would also like on a personal note to thank Evelyn Fortier, who is a member of my staff, who I know has been in contact with all of you. Unfortunately for me, at least, and I think for Congress, Evelyn will be leaving us, I hope, on a temporary basis, but she will be leaving us at the end of the week. We would not be here today on this hearing, and I don't think we would be here with this bill without Evelyn's help. So, Evelyn, thank you very much for your hard work. We appreciate it very much. [Applause.] Senator DeWine. We hope Evelyn will be back with us in the not too distant future. Let me again thank all of you very much for your very, very good testimony. I think it has been an excellent panel, excellent testimony, and we hope to move this bill forward. Thank you very much. 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