Minister Cuttaree: Ambassador Zoellick, members of the
press. Thank you for being with us
this afternoon. I’m not going to speak a lot, because my main purpose is for the
U.S.T.R. Zoellick, how he perceives the work done here, and how does he perceive
the process up to the end of July proceeding. So, first of all, let me thank him for
coming all the way from, he’s traveled half the world, for to come here for one
day, and that’s very kind of him, and it also shows the interest that he has in
the work we’re trying to do at the level of the G-90, and how at the same time
that he sees us as an important partner in order getting the talks moving at the
level of the WTO. So thank you very
much, Ambassador Zoellick.
USTR Zoellick:Mauritius and
Prime Minister Berenger and Mr. Cuttaree for organizing this meeting which comes
at a very important time. As I
mentioned yesterday to the Minister and all our colleagues, I remember being in
Mauritius in
January of 2003 for the AGOA Forum which
Mauritius did a
wonderful job of hosting. And at
that time, one of the issues we talked about was the importance of not only
extending AGOA but some of its particular provisions and so I was delighted to
report to my colleagues today that those provisions had been amended, AGOA has
been extended and that President Bush was at least scheduled to sign it into law
today but with the time difference, should be in couple of hours.
This meeting is an excellent
complement to the session that I had in
Paris with my Brazilian, European,
Indian and Australian colleagues because the G-90 represents a very important
group of diverse countries from a variety of regions of the world.
The topics that we were able to
discuss were agriculture. We spent
a lot of time on agriculture, on cotton, spent a good amount of time on cotton,
but also discussed goods, some of the services issues, trade facilitation and
its relation to the other
Singapore issues
and then the overall development agenda including some of the specific, special
and differential treatment points.
I had an opportunity to meet with the ACP countries yesterday and then
today I had a brief session with the SACU countries, the countries of the
Southern Africa Customs Union, and I just finished a session with the four West
African ambassadors and that have focused on cotton, along with representatives
of the African Union. Their
ministers, unfortunately, were not able to attend but I am encouraged to know
that they will be visiting the United States soon on a trip that has been
organized by the U.S. Department of Agriculture – my colleague Secretary of
Agriculture Veneman, but also importantly with our private sector, with the
National Cotton Council to try to see how we can work together.
I appreciate the efforts of
Minister Cuttaree, I think, first among them for the efforts to try to work
toward the common goals. As I said recently, I think when we back away from all
the specific issues, there is a truly historic opportunity to reform the world’s
agricultural trade, to eliminate export subsides in agriculture, to have very
deep cuts in trade distorting domestic support but also to open markets for
agriculture as well as the other items, goods and services. We had been exploring elements of
flexibility, which is important.
Each of our countries has positions and we have to try to see how we can
work together. I thought the tone
of sessions I attended there was a good tone and a constructive tone. People
were focused on their priorities but also recognizing we all need to work
together. A number of the questions we received from some of the G-90 members
related to the discussions that we had in
Paris. They wanted to have a sense of the
tradeoffs among other countries which I think is a good recognition that this is
something that has to come together from all parties. I have a sense that certainly the vast
majority of countries, perhaps all, feel that the meeting in
Cancun was a missed opportunity and now people are trying
to see if we can, how to seize an opportunity. So as I mentioned in
Paris, I see points of convergence
but I also see many items we still have to work through. This will be a challenging task. We will
next look to the Chairman of the General Council, Ambassador Oshima of
Japan, to
produce a draft declaration which I think he is scheduled to do - is this, what
day is this? Friday, July 16 – you
see, I’ve been traveling so much I know where I am, but I don’t know the day -
and that will include the text that Chairman Groser is developing in the
agriculture area as well. And then
this will give an opportunity based on meetings like this one for ministers to
review that text prior to the meeting of the General Council in
Geneva which begins the
27th of July, if I recall correctly.
I just want again to thank my
good friend Mr. Jayen for his leadership as always in this process, whether it
was AGOA, or the DOHA agenda. He certainly played an exceptional role
and I am always torn because
Mauritius is
such a pretty country to visit but it does take me a long time to get here. So anyway, happy to take your
questions.
Reporter: AFP,
Mr. Lamy made a proposal about the round free, for free for LDCs. Do you support that
proposal?
USTR Zoellick: What I told the group is that I
think the core idea of that proposal which is that the least developed
countries, and many of the poorer countries, should not be asked to take on
additional obligations, is a good idea because it reassures the least developed
countries and the poorest that they will not be overburdened. At the same time,
I have suggested that we need to be sure that we don’t create second-class
citizens in the WTO. And what I
mean by that is I believe there are important opportunities for a number of
those countries to gain from trade liberalization. For example, I mentioned yesterday in
the area of services, over half the developing world’s economy are service
industries. And it’s very important to be able to stay competitive to look for
opportunities to liberalize services.
And indeed, these are elements that are the key infrastructure of
development. Those of you in the
newspaper business know you need to have a good telecommunication system to be
able to operate. You need to have a
good financial services system, energy costs being down, through competition. We
talked about trade facilitation, that is as I mentioned to Minister Cuttaree and
his colleagues, one of the big issues that we will face is the end of the
textile quotas at the end of 2004. Well a number of African countries can
probably compete on a cost basis with
China and
India but some
of the costs of bringing the goods in and out make them less competitive so
these are areas in which more efficient customs systems are important.
So my point is that and this is
what I said to my colleagues is on the basic issue of trying to reassure the
least developed and the poorest countries that they will not be subject to
additional burdens. I think that is
a good idea.
But I also want to adjust it with
encouragement to find ways in which these countries can integrate more deeply in
the global trade system and not be separate from them.
As you know, the Commissioner’s
proposal raised some concerns among other mid-level developing countries and as
I said many times over the past two days, with three weeks to go, we need to
stress how we find our points of commonality, not the points of difference. We have had many months of
differences. We need to find the
points of commonality.
But I think it was a
well-intentioned proposal and that’s why I tried to support the primary message
without necessarily taking every detail. Let me give you one other
example. The group of countries
that Minister Cuttaree has invited include the African Union, the ACP and the
LDCs. Well, some of those
countries, depending on which you include, South Africa or Egypt are really at a
little bit higher stages of development and there are other countries that
aren’t here like Honduras and Nicaragua that are actually poorer and another
question is to whom it will apply.
My point of the least developed and poorer countries, island states that
are subject to vagaries. Those are
the ones that have to pay special attention and not putting an extra burden.
Reporter: Nita with Reuters. I have two questions. The first one is that the G-90 Ministers
have been saying to me that, yes it’s been very positive, it’s been very
constructive, but they’re concerned that nothing is there in black and white,
that nothing is really there, that the political commitment isn’t really there,
that it’s been just pretty words.
Why have you not really come with any kind of written proposal to
them? I know that’s not the issue
at this stage, but they’re saying that they would have preferred, for example
the West African cotton producers have been saying that they’re willing to put
cotton into the overall agriculture package but they need a political commitment
from you.
USTR Zoellick: Let’s come
back to cotton. Because I think if
you talk to most of the ministers you will recognize that over the course of the
past 2 ½ -3 years, there have been many papers and proposals being talked about
what we were willing to do, eliminate export subsidies, cut other subsidies, we
at one point proposed the removal of all tariffs on goods. We have also adjusted because some
countries like
Mauritius have
also said that while they are willing to open markets, we have to ease the
adjustment because some of have been dependent on preferences. This is the same issue with textiles and apparel with
end of the quotas, this is one reason why the extension of AGOA was
important. So at least I didn’t
encounter the request for more specificity, because we are really at point now
where this will not be solved by country-by-country proposals. It will be solved by countries coming
together. And we reported on the meeting we had in
Paris where we had some convergences
and some differences. And we discussed, in talking to small groups the
convergences, differences here. So
I think the next paper will not be long awaited. It’s the one Chairman Oshima comes out
with and then we will have to work off that document.
Now in the case of cotton, I
think from having just met with Ambassadors, their closing point was the one
that I think and hope was most important.
And the Ambassador from
Benin said they
want to find a solution. And we
would like to find a solution as well.
Now, what I’ve explained is that we understand the critical importance of
this not only for those countries but other countries. And indeed, the poignancy of it for many
of the poorer developing countries that are cotton producers. What we have also explained, is how at
least I believe we have the best opportunity to make progress. Let me just give you one that people
haven’t talked about much.
I think the
United States
and these other cotton producers can join hands on trying to cut cotton tariffs,
particularly with the end of textile quotas. You are going to see a smaller number of
countries become major producers of cotton textiles. So some of those countries have very
high tariffs on cotton. And those
tariffs impede the
U.S. as well as
West African, and Pakistani as well as other cottons. So that’s a point of commonality. But what I’ve also explained and also
think is that that the best way that I can try to help the West African
countries on the trade side is through an overall agricultural package because
the way that trade negotiations work is that for those who are going to have to
make sacrifices, they get benefits elsewhere. So if
U.S. farmers can
see the European Union and
Japan making
major cuts in subsidies, then I can get major cuts in subsidies. We can see elimination of export
subsidies, that can help me cut subsides, including for cotton. It will also help if I can get open
markets because
U.S. tariffs in
agriculture are relatively low compared to others in the world. So for me to cut subsidies, I need to
get other markets open.
Now there’s also the development
side and we talked about the follow-up from the meeting that was held in
Cotonou on this in March. I talked in the larger audience, with
the innovation of the Millennium Challenge Account which offers some tremendous
opportunities for countries that had good governance practices, sound economic
practices, invest in human capital.
And two of the four countries,
Benin and
Mali, are among
the 15 candidates for that. But we
also have other programs as does the World Bank and others to help on the
development side. So I think we need to try to get the trade and development
sides working together and, at least, the reason I had an additional meeting
with the Ambassadors even though the ministers were not able to come, was to try
to explain straightforwardly where I thought I could help and where we can
help. I’m in the business of trying
to find practical solutions and I would like to try to do that in this area as
well as in others but it won’t just be a question of wishes or hopes. As important as those might be, we have
to try to come up with practical solutions.
Reporter: And are they willing to put
in the overall package?
USTR Zoellick: I’ve learned in this
business to speak for myself, I can’t speak for others.
Reporter: You said that from what you
have heard here was the tone was correct, so do you expect this will be
sufficient for the talks at the end of July?
USTR Zoellick: I really don’t know. I remain cautious because there are many
issues, many countries. We saw how
the process could break down in Cancun but I have seen
people trying to come together. I
have seen a number of countries in the G-90, where of course you are dealing
with a large number. I’ve seen some
leaders like Minister Cuttaree trying to play a leadership role, to advance the
interests of the group as well as his own country while trying to pay attention
to the needs of others. So that I
hope will bear fruit. We don’t have much time left. We have many issues to work through and
when Minister Oshima comes out with his text, we are going to need a spirit of
how we try to solve problems, not how we try to emphasize divergences. That was I think the sad point of Cancun
was that I came to Cancun having just resolved the problem about access to
medicines in August which was so important for many African countries and
unfortunately, too many countries came to Cancun I think trying to state
positions boldly, as opposed to find solutions practically and we will just have
to see how that works in July.
Reporter: You also said that at the end of July, if
nothing happens, the [unintelligible]?
USTR Zoellick: I don’t know, seems pretty clear to
me. I think it would be very, it
would be - two setbacks for the
DOHA agenda would mean that the
challenge of having 147 economies come together has proven to be beyond our
capability. I frankly. Well let me go back a step. The reason that I wrote the letter I did
the very first week of January was I felt this was important to try to not have
2004 be a lost year. And it was my
sense talking to friends like Jayen and others that within a few months after
Cancun, a number of other countries shared that view but
they weren’t sure how to get back to the table. And that’s where the
United States,
as the largest economy in the world, can play a leadership role. But we can’t do it alone and so that’s
one reason I traveled in February around the world to try to consult, with Jayen
in a meeting we had in Mombasa, that was hosted by Minister Kituyi, and one of
the ideas that came out of that meeting was that Africa could at most accept
trade facilitation on the Singapore issues so I talked with my colleague,
Commissioner Lamy, I talked to the Japanese, I talked to the Koreans. And we are able to get that done. Now
there are still issues about how we move forward on trade facilitation but at
least that is a good accomplishment for these countries. Commissioner Lamy has committed to
eliminate export subsidies. Now
he’s getting some challenges from some of is member states which are trying to
work on those issues but he’s trying.
And so there’s a role the major
economies can play in helping to prod and push the process, helping to listen
and try to solve problems but as we saw in Cancun, we are
one. And in this WTO system which
moves through unanimity. We can’t
do it by ourselves. That’s why I am
making every effort but I am also being honest with people. There’s no rabbit that gets pulled out
of the hat - we either do this together or we fail together.
Reporter:
[unintelligible]…U.S.
on textiles?
USTR Zoellick: Well, I’m
not sure which aspect, but if you’re talking about the textile quotas? Quotas. We committed in the Uruguay Round to end
all the quotas by the end of this year and we keep our commitments. As I mentioned to some of the countries
here, I was always surprised in past years where
India wanted to
move up the end of quotas and a number of developing countries cheered them
on. This was part of the so-called
implementation agenda and I used to ask them “well why do you want to move this
up? It’s going to be harder on
you.” Well now a number of
countries agree with me. So we will
keep our commitments. It’s fair for
India and
China and other
competitive countries to have the benefits of what they negotiated. But I also said it’s very important to
try to help other countries with the adjustment process and that’s one reason
why I spent a lot of effort trying to pass the AGOA amendments the President
will sign because that will to give Sub-Saharan Africa an edge because they will
have zero tariffs where the other countries will still face tariffs. That’s one reason I negotiated a free
trade agreement with Central America to help those
countries have an edge. I think it should be an ongoing topic of discussion of
how we work together and I hope that China, India and the other countries that
will be very competitive will also recognize that and take that into account in
their own behavior. But that of
course is a question for them.
Reporter: [unintelligible] (Ravi Kanh)…you said Members
should avoid further divisions, are you now saying…[unintelligible]. The second
question…[unintelligible]…West African…[unintelligible]…did you get an assurance
that…[unintelligible]…drop off this issue as a stand
alone…[unintelligible]?
USTR Zoellick: Two I think is enough,
don’t you. Two’s enough. You’re a good negotiator,
but…[laughter]. On the second
one, as I answered this woman’s question, I think those countries should state
their own positions, it’s not the role for me to state their positions.
On the first question, I have
been in a lot of meetings with Commissioner Lamy. I don’t recall what you talked about in
terms of political declarations.
[Crosstalk]
Well he can raise it with me if
he wants. What I said was
this. I believe that the thrust of
his push, which is to reassure most of these countries – you see, the question
is some have even debated which countries are included. Is South
Africa part of it? Is
Egypt a part of
it? You know, remember, the ACP is a special preference program done by
Europe, for former European colonies. There are poor countries in
Latin America that were never European colonies but are
deserved. One has to be a little
careful here because you are talking about real economies and they need to know
whether they are in or out. What I
have said is for, certainly the LDCs, nobody is asking any additional reduction
commitments, and frankly, I would be willing to expand that for many poorer
countries that don’t quite meet the LDC level, but for some of the bigger
mid-level developing countries, as I mentioned, we expect to have them
contribute and I think most of them expect to contribute and again, as for a
political message, my political message is this: For the countries of the G-90, we want
to ease the burden of trade liberalization on your economies and therefore in
this round, for the LDCs and the poorer island states, we will not be seeking
reduction commitments in goods and in tariffs, and in agriculture. But at the same time, we want to be
fully engaged with you because we don’t want to leave you behind and there may
be areas for example in sectoral negotiations and goods where some countries may
want to have a cutting of tariffs and they may want to be part of the sectoral
or in services or obviously in trade facilitation. So my message is as I tried to recall
saying last night is that we need to strike a balance. We want to ease any burdens but we also
want to try to help these countries be integrated in the economy and we do not
want to repeat one of the failures of history which is to leave countries of
Africa, island states, poor countries in
Asia behind the system. That would be in my view a
mistake.
Can we take one more? If there is one more? No. No this woman is next in line, you
had one. Anybody else who didn’t
have one? Ok, you get the last
one.
Reporter: Just on the issue of export
subsidies. In talking to the G-90
delegates, you know, they’ve been saying a lot about the
U.S. and the EU
seem to be playing this game of hide and seek. You know, one is saying they are
committed to reducing export subsidies, providing the other one does the
same. Who’s going to make this
first move, and are you really playing hide and seek?
USTR Zoellick: Well, these are serious issues for
countries and they are not easy to undertake. We and almost every other country that I
know around the world has felt that the elimination of export subsidies in
agriculture has been a major goal countries have been trying to achieve for
decades because countries and economists agree that these are the most trade
distorting interventions in agriculture trade. And so we made a move early on by saying
we wanted to eliminate them. The
European Union has made incremental moves in terms of moving toward that
elimination. Commissioner Lamy said
in his letter that they would agree to eliminate them based on conditions. We affirmed that we would agree to
eliminate any subsidy element of credits or food aid and we wanted to eliminate
monopolies of state trading enterprises, and to deal with differential export
taxes, which is another issue. So
now we are trying to figure out how to make that parallelism work and we have
had discussions about ways in which we could try to further discipline export
credits to be certain that they would only reflect market credits.
But let me give you a little
further explanation of why this is important. When I discussed this with a number of
G-90 countries today, I saw heads nodding in agreement. For many of the poor
countries in Africa, they do not have established banking
and financial systems. So they may
need credit to be able to buy the goods, for some period of time, the
agricultural goods, and then after they sell the goods they will be able to pay
back the credit. For some
countries, their financial markets haven’t considered them to be big enough to
get good credit risk assessments.
They don’t have banking systems that will evaluate the risk in
return. And so for those countries,
there may be a need for government credits but we agree they should not be
subsidies in those so there are ways the WTO and the OECD have discussed how to
make sure the market rate is not trade distorting. And I drew one other comparison. The European Union is focused very much
now on export credits in agriculture.
The European Union is not hesitating to use all sorts of government
credits and loans in industrial goods, so you know, there are many issues in
which the U.S.
complains about European loans and credits to businesses. Well, for years, there have been
disciplines on that but it’s interesting, they only start with credits of two
years and longer. Now there are reasons for this. Industrial goods have longer lives than
agriculture goods. So, but I think,
I hope that the European member states that are guiding this will also recognize
that if they push very hard to put strong disciplines on export credits that
will give us a wonderful opportunity to come back and say well let’s put very
strong limitations on your industrial credits too.
[reads note from Min. Cuttaree]
Oh. This shows excellent group
leadership, but also individual leadership.
One of the changes that was in
the AGOA legislations was a critical part was the extension of the third party
fabric to allow African countries to extend below certain income levels to use
fabric from outside of Africa. Now this was extended for 3 years but the reason
that it hasn’t been extended permanently is to help the African countries
compete, they will, with China, India and others, they will actually need to
further develop their fabric industry as well as their apparel industry. And this is starting to happen in places
like Lesotho and
Kenya and
others. Well, Mauritius has an
interest in being part of the third party fabric and I’ve talked with the
Minister, and I’ve talked to our Congress about trying to include them, about
trying to include them and this is one of those sensitive issues that is caught
up in the idea that Mauritius has a reasonable point about wanting to make sure
that the advantages of preferences are phased out carefully but at the same
time, we need to phase them out. So
this is an issue that I talked to Minister Cuttaree about trying to work with
our Congress over time and I’ve talked to members of Congress about as
well. And so we hope to continue to
do that.
But I think the good news is that
since Mauritius is integrated with much of the rest of Africa that the broader
extension I hope will send good news for investors who come to Mauritius as well
and I remembered actually that was one of the issues that we dealt with in the
business forum that we had when Mauritius hosted that as well.
Thank you.