<DOC> [106th Congress House Hearings] [From the U.S. Government Printing Office via GPO Access] [DOCID: f:58191.wais] STATUS OF THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA'S YEAR 2000 CONVERSION COMPLIANCE ======================================================================= HEARING before the SUBCOMMITTEE ON THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA of the COMMITTEE ON GOVERNMENT REFORM HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES ONE HUNDRED SIXTH CONGRESS FIRST SESSION __________ FEBRUARY 19, 1999 __________ Serial No. 106-22 __________ Printed for the use of the Committee on Government Reform Available via the World Wide Web: http://www.house.gov/reform ______ U.S. GOVERNMENT PRINTING OFFICE 58-191 CC WASHINGTON : 1999 COMMITTEE ON GOVERNMENT REFORM DAN BURTON, Indiana, Chairman BENJAMIN A. GILMAN, New York HENRY A. WAXMAN, California CONSTANCE A. MORELLA, Maryland TOM LANTOS, California CHRISTOPHER SHAYS, Connecticut ROBERT E. WISE, Jr., West Virginia ILEANA ROS-LEHTINEN, Florida MAJOR R. OWENS, New York JOHN M. McHUGH, New York EDOLPHUS TOWNS, New York STEPHEN HORN, California PAUL E. KANJORSKI, Pennsylvania JOHN L. MICA, Florida GARY A. CONDIT, California THOMAS M. DAVIS, Virginia PATSY T. MINK, Hawaii DAVID M. McINTOSH, Indiana CAROLYN B. MALONEY, New York MARK E. SOUDER, Indiana ELEANOR HOLMES NORTON, Washington, JOE SCARBOROUGH, Florida DC STEVEN C. LaTOURETTE, Ohio CHAKA FATTAH, Pennsylvania MARSHALL ``MARK'' SANFORD, South ELIJAH E. CUMMINGS, Maryland Carolina DENNIS J. KUCINICH, Ohio BOB BARR, Georgia ROD R. BLAGOJEVICH, Illinois DAN MILLER, Florida DANNY K. DAVIS, Illinois ASA HUTCHINSON, Arkansas JOHN F. TIERNEY, Massachusetts LEE TERRY, Nebraska JIM TURNER, Texas JUDY BIGGERT, Illinois THOMAS H. ALLEN, Maine GREG WALDEN, Oregon HAROLD E. FORD, Jr., Tennessee DOUG OSE, California ------ PAUL RYAN, Wisconsin BERNARD SANDERS, Vermont JOHN T. DOOLITTLE, California (Independent) HELEN CHENOWETH, Idaho Kevin Binger, Staff Director Daniel R. Moll, Deputy Staff Director David A. Kass, Deputy Counsel and Parliamentarian Carla J. Martin, Chief Clerk Phil Schiliro, Minority Staff Director ------ Subcommittee on the District of Columbia THOMAS M. DAVIS, Virginia, Chairman CONSTANCE A. MORELLA, Maryland ELEANOR HOLMES NORTON, Washington, STEPHEN HORN, California DC JOE SCARBOROUGH, Florida CAROLYN B. MALONEY, New York EDOLPHUS TOWNS, New York Ex Officio DAN BURTON, Indiana HENRY A. WAXMAN, California Peter Sirh, Staff Director Bob Dix, Professional Staff Member Anne Mack, Professional Staff Member Ellen Brown, Clerk Jon Bouker, Minority Counsel C O N T E N T S ---------- Page Hearing held on February 19, 1999................................ 1 Statement of: Williams, Anthony, Mayor, District of Columbia; Kathleen Patterson, council (ward 3), District of Columbia City Council; John Hill, executive director, Financial Responsibility & Management Assistance Authority; Suzanne Peck, chief technology officer, District of Columbia; and Jack Brock, Director, Information Management Issues, Accounting & Information Management Division, U.S. General Accounting Office.......................................... 10 Letters, statements, etc., submitted for the record by: Brock, Jack, Director, Information Management Issues, Accounting & Information Management Division, U.S. General Accounting Office, prepared statement of................... 49 Davis, Hon. Thomas M., a Representative in Congress from the State of Virginia, prepared statement of................... 3 Hill, John, executive director, Financial Responsibility & Management Assistance Authority, prepared statement of..... 27 Norton, Eleanor Holmes, a Representative in Congress from the District of Columbia, prepared statement of................ 8 Patterson, Kathleen, council (ward 3), District of Columbia City Council, prepared statement of........................ 19 Peck, Suzanne, chief technology officer, District of Columbia, prepared statement of............................ 36 Williams, Anthony, Mayor, District of Columbia, prepared statement of............................................... 13 STATUS OF THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA'S YEAR 2000 CONVERSION COMPLIANCE ---------- FRIDAY, FEBRUARY 19, 1999 House of Representatives, Subcommittee on the District of Columbia, Committee on Government Reform, Washington, DC. The subcommittee met, pursuant to notice, at 9:30 a.m., in room 2154, Rayburn House Office Building, Hon. Thomas M. Davis (chairman of the subcommittee) presiding. Present: Representatives Davis and Norton. Staff present: Peter Sirh, staff director; Howard Denis, counsel; Bob Dix and Anne Mack, professional staff members; Ellen Brown, clerk; Trey Hardin, communications director; Jon Bouker, minority counsel; and Ellen Rayner, minority chief clerk. Mr. Davis. Good morning. I apologize for being here a couple minutes late. The year 2000 conversion has begun to appear on the radar screen of policymakers as a very high-priority concern. This is an enormous challenge for the District of Columbia, along with the rest of the Nation and the world. I am going to be introducing bipartisan legislation very shortly that will address some of the key issues that affect the country as a whole, but our hearing today will address matter of particular concern to the Nation's capital. My thanks to the ranking member of this subcommittee Eleanor Holmes Norton for her continuing leadership on these issues in the District of Columbia. I also want to thank Congresswoman Connie Morella, vice chair of this subcommittee, and another distinguished member of the subcommittee Steve Horn, who are national leaders on the year 2000 compliance matters. The year 2000 compliance is at heart a unique management issue for both the public and the private sectors. The necessity to address this matter has been as obvious as the calendar itself. Apparently it was believed that affected systems and devices would be replaced with new technology in advance of the inexorable deadline of December 31, 1999. This is a classic case of too many people assuming that somebody else would solve the problem. Simply put, many computers and other electronic devices which contain embedded chips are programmed to use only two digits to represent the calendar year. As a result, many computer systems will not be able to distinguish between the year 2000 and the year 1900. Moreover, microprocessors also have been reprogrammed with the same two-digit year and are therefore subject to the same failure potential. Our attention is drawn in a special way to the challenges which confront the District. The regional compacts which exist among various governmental entities require us to examine these matters in a comprehensive manner. The Water and Sewer Authority and WMATA are only two of the entities with regional cooperative agreements. Many Health and Human Service functions are also involved. Clearly, transportation and public safety concerns are critical. On October 2, 1998, this subcommittee conducted a joint oversight hearing on the District's year 2000 compliance effort. Among other things, we learned that local compliance efforts could not begin in a meaningful way until June of last year. That fact in and of itself alerted us to the emergency which still confronts the District. It was clear that the city would have to proceed simultaneously with remediation and testing. Citizens should be aware that this could have an impact on the ability of the District to provide uninterrupted services, as well as hinder Federal workers in their regular commute. The subcommittee is working closely with the District's Chief Technology Officer and others to help the city address these challenges. Working together, much progress has been made, but much remains to be done. The District remains in a crisis mode, and the need to remove obstacles must continue to be relentless. On January 28, 1999, the District's inspector general, E. Barrett Prettyman, Jr., issued a management alert letter on the District's year 2000 readiness status. The letter reassures us that milestone dates related to the Metropolitan Police Department, employment service and Chief Financial Officer have been met, but many issues still remain. I look forward to hearing from our distinguished panel, and I would now yield to Delegate Norton, the ranking member of the subcommittee, for an opening statement. [The prepared statement of Hon. Thomas M. Davis follows:] [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED]58191.001 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED]58191.002 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED]58191.003 Ms. Norton. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I want to thank Chairman Tom Davis for this second oversight hearing on the District's continuing effort to meet its Y2K compliance obligation. The chairman's interest in Y2K is well placed, considering the large challenge the District faces to achieve compliance. I will be making an important announcement later on in my statement that offers one important indication that this matter is by no means beyond the District's reach. In addition, this hearing does not signal neglect on the District's part. The D.C. City Council Committee on Government Operations, ably chaired by Council Member Kathy Patterson, has held two oversight hearings focusing exclusively on Y2K, and Y2K was highlighted in the Council's own budget and performance hearings for the Office of Chief Technology Officer and in the management reform hearings. Moreover, city officials, though too late in starting, have made a valiant effort to catch up and prepare for contingencies. At the subcommittee's last oversight hearing on Y2K on October 7, we were assured that the District government understood the seriousness of the problem, was willing to take risks to ensure that the work was completed on time, had hired a new and experienced chief technology officer, and had contracted with IBM, a nationally recognized Y2K expert, to perform assessment, remediation and testing of the District's computer systems. I am pleased that since the last hearing, the District is implementing the specific recommendations of the GAO, including identifying the city's mission-critical operations and systems, determining which systems must be remediated before the year 2000, and developing contingency plans for the systems where work will not be completed on time. However, like most cities, counties and States across the Nation, the District is still behind schedule and has cause for concern. Congressman Steve Horn, Chair of the Government Management, Information, and Technology Subcommittee and a member of the subcommittee, in hearings in cities across the country found that State and local governments have gotten a particularly late start, and that even the Federal Government is behind in ensuring that the mission-critical computer systems are Y2K-compliant. Important example: A 1998 survey of the National Association of State Information Resource Executives found that only 18 States had completed determinations of which computers needed to be fixed. The same organization also found that all 50 States, all of them, indicated that they will not be able to renovate all their systems on time and are focusing only on their mission-critical systems. A 1997 survey of U.S. city governments reported that more than half did not even realize that their computers could be affected by the Y2K problem. This factual background help put the District's Y2K problems in perspective; however, perspective alone does not relieve the inevitable anxiety. District officials are now focusing on the bottom line of service functions where disruption cannot and will not be tolerated by city residents. Among them are paying District employees; D.C. General Hospital, fire, police and emergency medical services; the 911 service; water and sewer operations; distributing welfare checks; tax collection; corrections; and the lottery. The goal of no disruption will require more rapid assessment and remediation, contingency planning, and ample resources. The resources to address the District's Y2K problem cannot and should not be borne by the District alone. For many months I have been working with the White House to obtain extra funding for the District's Y2K effort. I very much appreciate that the President put language in last year's omnibus budget package allowing the District to receive a portion of the $2.25 billion earmarked in 1999 for Y2K remediation in the Federal Government. The District is the only city to receive these funds, and rightly so. The President has included funds for the District because it is in the best interests of the government. The District is functionally the seat of the Federal Government. In order to ensure continuity of operations, it was necessary to include the District in the Federal Government's Y2K planning. I am pleased to report this morning that the White House has assured me that approximately $63 million will come to the District within the next 2 weeks, with the possibility of more funding later. I also appreciate that the administration, the Clinton administration, is working closely with the District's chief technology officer and chief financial officer in planning for and documentation of the appropriate use of these funds. It is very easy, it is a very cheap shot to sensationalize the Y2K problems that cities such as the District face. We must take care not to needlessly alarm city residents about what may happen at the drop-dead date. This is not funny, and it is going to be taken care of. It is going to take responsible action by the city, but it is going to take responsible action by the media and by all concerned so that citizens have this matter in perspective. Residents must be assured not that the system will be perfect by the drop-dead date, and that is how almost all of the reporting looks at this matter. Will it all be done? It will not all be done by the Federal Government, by the District government or apparently by any State or local government in the United States. That is not the question. The question is whether there is a realistic time line for achieving full compliance, and whether in the interim residents will experience no disruption in their lives in this city. That, and that alone, is what this committee and city residents have a right to demand. I very much thank the chairman for his justifiable continuing attention to this matter and the city for the priority it is giving to Y2K. I am especially pleased to welcome today's witness. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Davis. Thank you, Ms. Norton. [The prepared statement of Hon. Eleanor Holmes Norton follows:] [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED]58191.004 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED]58191.005 Mr. Davis. I am going to now call on our panel of witnesses to testify: Mayor Anthony Williams, Council Member Kathleen Patterson, Control Board Executive Director John Hill, Chief Technology Officer Suzanne Peck, and Mr. Jack Brock, a Director at the GAO. As you know, it is the policy of this committee that all members be sworn before they can testify. If you would rise with me and raise your right hands. [Witnesses sworn.] Mr. Davis. Thank you very much. You can be seated. I would ask unanimous consent any written statements be made part of the permanent record. In the interest of time and to afford sufficient opportunity for questions and answers, I would ask that the witnesses limit themselves to an opening statement of no more than 5 minutes. We will begin with Mayor Williams, to be followed by Council Member Patterson, Control Board Executive Director Hill, the Chief Technology Officer Suzanne Peck, and then Jack Brock, you be the cleanup, the guy with the GAO. Mayor Williams, thank you. STATEMENTS OF ANTHONY WILLIAMS, MAYOR, DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA; KATHLEEN PATTERSON, COUNCIL (WARD 3), DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA CITY COUNCIL; JOHN HILL, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, FINANCIAL RESPONSIBILITY & MANAGEMENT ASSISTANCE AUTHORITY; SUZANNE PECK, CHIEF TECHNOLOGY OFFICER, DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA; AND JACK BROCK, DIRECTOR, INFORMATION MANAGEMENT ISSUES, ACCOUNTING & INFORMATION MANAGEMENT DIVISION, U.S. GENERAL ACCOUNTING OFFICE Mayor Williams. Mr. Chairman and Congresswoman Norton, thank you for the opportunity to be here today and testify on the Y2K problem. I am going to just read a few of my remarks, and the rest will be submitted for the record, and I thank you for that opportunity. I want to begin by saying that we acknowledge that the District by any general performance standard measurement is behind every comparable municipality in the Y2K compliance. Most like-size municipalities are more advanced than we, but I want to state emphatically that this late start will not prevent us from a successful completion of the Y2K project. Yes, we started late, and we are still behind where we want to be, but we are working on an aggressive and accelerated rate so that we will finish within the prescribed time. The District's strategy has been to concurrently execute tasks that other cities executed sequentially. This strategy has to date proven successful with the tracking we have done over the past 8 months, and in my mind shall. There is no reason why, with the tracking that we have in place at this time, that we will not remain on schedule for the duration of the project. I was elected to fix the District's bureaucracy, and we are in the time-consuming process of doing so. However, there are certain governmental functions that are so critical that I have directed my office to not wait until the overall rebuilding process has been completed. Y2K is one of these functions. For these critical functions and initiatives, we are establishing emergency measures that bypass traditional and often cumbersome procedures. To accomplish this bypass, I am taking a hands-on ap- proach. From an operational perspective, the chief technology offi- cer reports directly to me, and I pledge a personal focus on this project. In addition, I chair the Y2K Executive Committee, which in- cludes Connie Newman of the Control Board; Councilwoman Kathy Patterson, who will be testifying later; Chief Financial Officer Earl Cabbel; Suzanne Peck, our District's chief technology officer; Police Chief Charles Ramsey; and Superintendent of Schools Arlene Ack- erman. This group will take all the necessary measures to guaran- tee that every component of our District's government gives this project the undivided attention it deserves. I want to also add, furthermore, that this committee will under- take whatever contingency backup plans are necessary should there be a risk in the system implementation. Through this committee I intend to put in place a mechanism that will allow for a coordinated and streamlined effort on the budget process. In addition, I pledge the necessary resources will be available to ensure that vital services are not interrupted. Just a moment on where we are on Y2K. Later in this hearing Suzanne Peck will go into greater detail on the individual elements of the Y2K remediation plan, how her office is interacting with the 68 executive branch agencies that we have identified, as well as the other specific questions you might have on the Y2K project. How- ever, I want to give a brief overview of where we are today. Of the 336 business applications that exist in our system's inven- tory, 84 are Y2K-ready, 117 require remediation and testing, and 135 have been remediated by their agencies and require testing only. The current schedule provides for full application remediation and testing to be completed with applications returned to produc- tion by the end of November 1999. Again, Suzanne will give you a more precise breakdown on that schedule. Some of the landmarks for success of Y2K: Looking forward, there are benchmarks that we can monitor that will allow us to track our progress to a successful resolution of this Y2K program. One, our contractor schedules are completed in a timely manner; two, senior management dedicate the resources to the schedules; three, contingency plans are devised by the agencies; and, four, the District government creates and transacts a meaningful public service campaign that heightens citizen participation and aware- ness. I want to add that we have submitted to the Council legislation that will strengthen the role of the CTO in the Y2K project, legisla- tion that would exempt her on an emergency basis from the normal District procurement rules that we believe obstruct her realization of the critical path necessary to get this project under way, and we will be working, we hope, with the Congress to see that this project is exempted from the requirements under the Control Act that pro- curements above $1 million be approved and reviewed by the Coun- cil. Having said that, we will have what we call independent verifica- tion and validation in place to see that this project is handled in a responsible manner. As always, as I anticipate, it will be reviewed and audited by the GAO, as well as our inspector general and private firms. With that, I would like to conclude my testimony, and I would be happy to answer any questions that you may have. Mr. Davis. Thank you very much. [The prepared statement of Mayor Williams follows:] [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED]58191.006 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED]58191.007 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED]58191.008 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED]58191.009 Mr. Davis. Kathy. Ms. Patterson. Good morning. Good morning, Mr. Chairman, Mrs. Norton and members of the subcommittee staff. I am Kathy Patterson, the ward 3 representative on the Council and chairperson of our Committee on Government Operations, which has oversight responsibility for information technology. As noted, after a slow initial start, the District has mobilized resources and launched an aggressive program to meet the Y2K challenge. That conversion is clearly our top priority in information technology, and we need to do everything in our power to ensure that vital services are not disrupted before, during or after the turn of the century. I see three roles for the legislature in promoting a successful Y2K conversion. First, the Council and the committees must maintain comprehensive oversight of the Y2K process. We need to monitor each stage, assessment, remediation, testing, implementation and contingency planning, to ensure that sufficient resources, human and financial, are available; to ensure that deadlines are met; and to ensure that District agencies work together and with our counterparts in the Federal Government and the private sector. Second, the Council in the oversight of the fiscal year 1999 and 2000 budget must help ensure sufficient resources. Third is the legislature's specific policymaking role and use of our lawmaking power as necessary to aid in the conversion. I would now like to share with you briefly the activities of the Committee on Government Operations and the Council as a whole in supporting the conversion and what I see as our future role. One important contribution we made over the last year is to highlight the views of independent experts concerned that the District was at considerable risk of Y2K failures and using that information to prompt corrective action. In a December 1997 letter on the District's fiscal year 1998 comprehensive financial audit, KPMG Peat Marwick warned that the District was in danger of experiencing a catastrophic failure of its electronic data processing systems and needed to proceed expeditiously toward addressing these problems. Similarly, the Office of the Inspector General concluded in a January 1998 report that the District's year 2000 plans and strategy had not been determined, that District agencies had insufficient knowledge and understanding of the problem, and that centralized management and executive level leadership of the Y2K conversion was needed. The committee invited representatives of the audit firm and the inspector general to testify on these findings and to help set out for policymakers the seriousness of the Y2K problem. That testimony last year helped lead to the centralization of the Y2K program under the chief technology officer in June 1998 and the creation of a Districtwide strategy for assessment and remediation. I am pleased to report that the D.C. inspector general has taken on the important role as an independent monitor and consultant on the Y2K process, working closely with the chief technology officer and showing the kind of intergovernmental cooperation that is essential. The committee that I chair, working with other Council committees, will continue our oversight of this process throughout this calendar year. This past Tuesday my committee and the Committee on Human Services held a joint public hearing on the Y2K conversion and the District's social welfare programs, focusing on unemployment compensation, disability and workers' compensation, TANF, Medicaid, food stamps, child care programs and D.C. General Hospital. We learned, for example, that District agencies have successfully passed at least two early fail dates related to recordkeeping for unemployment insurance and Medicaid. We also learned that the Health and Hospitals Public Benefit Corp. is in need of close monitoring by the chief technology officer, and my colleague, Council Member Allen, will continue to raise important questions in her committee's ongoing oversight of the PBC. In coming months, we will schedule hearings on Y2K conversion and public safety, on Y2K conversion and public- private partnerships encompassing public utilities and transportation, and on our contingency planning. These hearings also fulfill an important function in addition to the oversight. They give us an opportunity to share with District residents the progress we are making and the difficulties that we face. We have also used our lawmaking powers to support a successful Y2K conversion. In the spring of 1998, the Committee on Government Operations drafted a reorganization plan formally establishing the Office of the Chief Technology Officer. That reorganization took effect, and the office was formally established last September. In December, the Council approved legislation to protect taxpayers from paying twice for Y2K conversion. The Year 2000 Government Computer Immunity Act of 1998 includes provisions to immunize the District government against any lawsuit or administrative action arising from a year 2000 system failure. It requires all District government contractors to include a warranty for the year 2000 compliance of all goods and services provided. That legislation is now before the Congress for the 30-day review, and we expect it to become law next month. This will make us the fourth jurisdiction in the Nation to adopt immunity legislation, following Georgia, Nevada and Virginia. As we move forward, it is necessary that everyone in our government and our Federal and congressional partners as well understand how critical this issue is and that we work in partnership to sustain the forward movement. It is important, for example, that the chief technology officer on behalf of the Mayor have authority commensurate with her responsibility, and Mayor Williams touched on this issue. In closing, I would like to reiterate the Council's commitment to continue to monitor the conversion, to clear away any statutory obstacles, and promote cooperation as discussed earlier. Thank you very much. I would be pleased to answer questions. Mr. Davis. Thank you. [The prepared statement of Ms. Patterson follows:] [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED]58191.010 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED]58191.011 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED]58191.012 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED]58191.013 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED]58191.014 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED]58191.015 Mr. Davis. Mr. Hill. Mr. Hill. Mr. Chairman and Congresswoman Norton, good morning, and thank you for the opportunity to discuss the impact of Y2K computer issues on the District of Columbia. I am representing the vice chair, Constance Newman, who is responsible for overseeing information technology issues for the Authority. Mrs. Newman is out of the country. This is a vitally important topic, both here in the Nation's capital and around the country, and the committee is to be commended for its leadership role in ensuring that technology systems on which our society increasingly depends respond effectively throughout this critical time. Mr. Chairman, the District of Columbia Financial Responsibility and Management Assistance Authority recognizes that the successful elimination of Y2K computer problems are of great importance to the District's ability to provide effective public services during this passage to the millennium. The District, like other public and private organizations everywhere, faces the challenges of simultaneously changing outdated computer systems and providing seamless services to its customers. Unlike most other public and private organizations, the District is off to a very late start. While there are many issues at the core of the Y2K challenge, the Authority agrees that the most appropriate focus is on those public services in the District which are absolutely critical to the mission of our government. The Authority in recent months has taken several important steps to facilitate progress on the District's Y2K concerns. Working with the Office of the Chief Management Officer and now the Mayor and the Council, the District hired a chief technology officer and established an organizational structure to consolidate the government's technology implementation project and leverage Y2K progress. The District is privileged to have Suzanne Peck, a technology expert with more than 20 years experience in technology management and development and computer crisis management, as its chief technology officer. Ms. Peck has been the chief information officer for the Student Loan Marketing Association, the vice president for technology operations of systems and technology at Computer Technology Corp., and the chief executive officer of a startup subsidiary for Corestates Financial Corp. The Authority and the Mayor look to Ms. Peck to lead the District's Y2K remediation program and to upgrade the city's technology infrastructure in order to improve service delivery. In October 1998, the Authority sent a letter to all District agencies which stated, The Office of the Chief Technology Officer in conjunction with the Office of the Inspector General is authorized to control, monitor and provide oversight for all District agencies regarding the District's Year 2000 initiatives. In light of the urgency of the Y2K conversion, it is imperative that your agencies cooperate with the efforts of the Chief Technology Officer and the Inspector General to resolve the District's Y2K problems. This letter was sent at the request of the chief technology officer and the IG to make sure that the Authority made clear to all District agencies that they were to coordinate their efforts in Y2K with the chief technology officer and the inspector general. The District's Y2K remediation efforts are implemented in large measure through a contract with IBM Corp. IBM has been critical to this effort through the development of a project office, the initial assessment of systems and plans for remediation, and the actual conversion of computer software code. The initial contract developed through the General Services Administration was at a cost of $3.35 million. Additional bridge contracts of $4.8 million and $6.8 million have helped the District to receive supplementary critical support from IBM at this important time. On February 11, 1999, the Authority approved a $76.5 million contract to IBM to continue this effort, subject to the availability of funds. Overall, the District has an allocated Y2K budget of $31 million for fiscal year 1999. However, the District's progress in systems remediation, based on its inadequate, though improving, technology infrastructure and late start, prompted the city to request additional Federal assistance. As a result, the District has requested from the administration emergency supplemental funding in the amount of $111.5 million, which will allow the District to meet all its obligations with respect to the Y2K problem. We were pleased to find out that the administration has committed to provide the $63 million that Congresswoman Norton mentioned in her opening statement. In conclusion, Mr. Chairman and members of the committee, the Authority, in conjunction with the Mayor and the Council, is effectively implementing an aggressive program to ensure that all major government services are provided throughout the millennium period. With the committee's indulgence, Ms. Peck will provide details about the Y2K program and program to improve the District's technology infrastructure. I would be pleased to respond to any questions that Members may have. Mr. Davis. Thank you very much. [The prepared statement of Mr. Hill follows:] [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED]58191.016 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED]58191.017 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED]58191.018 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED]58191.019 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED]58191.020 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED]58191.021 Mr. Davis. Suzanne Peck. Ms. Peck. Mr. Chairman, Congresswoman Norton, I am Suzanne Peck, and I am the chief technology officer for the government of the District of Columbia. I am pleased to be able to appear again before your subcommittee to provide current information on the status of the Y2K initiative in the District. I will address the areas of Y2K remediation and testing, contingency planning and pilot project results, resource availability, and impediments to progress. As the Mayor discussed, the District's systems inventory consists of 336 business applications. Of these, 84, as he mentioned, are Y2K-ready, 117 require remediation and testing, and 135 have been already remediated by their agencies and require testing only. Approximately 10 million lines of code have been identified for remediation across the 117 applications in 16 different agencies. At this time, of those 117 applications, 27, with approximately 4.2 million lines of code, have been remediated; 3 of the applications are currently in the testing phase, with plans currently under way to begin testing on the other 24. Additionally, 62 applications, with approximately 3.7 million lines of code, are in the remediation phase and are scheduled for testing during the second and third quarter of 1999. We are currently putting schedules together for the remaining 28 which require remediation and testing. Schedules are also in place to perform Y2K testing on the 135 applications identified as remediated by their departments. The current schedule provides for all application remediation and testing to be complete with applications returned to production by the end of November 1999. We expect to complete the work according to the following schedule: In the first calendar quarter, 7 percent; in the second quarter, 12 percent; in the third quarter, 75 percent; and in the fourth, 100 percent, by November 30th of this year. All noncomputer hardware devices containing embedded processors or chips are non-IT assets, and they include systems such as HVAC, traffic control signals, telephones, fuel pumps, elevators and lighting controls. We are in the process of identifying non-IT asset across all District agencies and assessing their need for remediation. To date we have identified approximately 35,000 of what we expect to be a total of 85,000 such non-IT assets. Based on actual assessment data, we have determined that approximately 4 percent of these assets will require repair, replacement, retirement or work-around. The inventory and assessment of non-IT assets at the mission-critical agencies I will speak about in a moment is scheduled to be completed by the end of this month. We expect to complete remediation and implementation of all critical business-related assets by October 31st of this year. Beginning this week, we begin the distribution of their inventories to the individual agencies. These non-IT inventories will include identified work stations, software, infrastructure, as well as the non-IT assets and their associated need for remediation. Agencies can begin now purchasing their Y2K-compliant replacement equipment, and we will continue to work with our Offices of Budget and Procurement to help facilitate these transactions. Contingency planning continues to be the focus of the District's Y2K initiative. This is not a computer issue, but a business continuity and human factors issue. Plans we are working on with the agencies are geared to making sure that the agencies' most critical activities keep running even if their computers don't. The overriding goal of our contingency planning effort is to ensure that alternative operations are in place and are ready to execute if there are Y2K date change failures. We have focused our planning on 75 critical processes in 16 priority-one agencies. We have identified--if the Chair shifts eyes left and most of us down here shift eyes right, you will see that we have identified these 16 agencies and their associated critical processes on the chart to the right. When we appear before you again, and you can see on the third chart--open the first two charts--are the mission- critical agencies and their most critical business processes. What you will notice on these charts is that just because you are a mission-critical agency does not mean all your processes are mission-critical. We have starred those of the processes that are mission-critical to highlight that many of the processes at mission-critical agencies are not mission-critical and do not have first priority with us. On the third chart, you can see the remaining 52 agencies in the District, and when we appear before you again, we will have similar information to the first two charts on the 52 priority-two and priority-three agencies. I am pleased to report that since my appearance before you in October, we have brought all the designated mission-critical or priority-one agencies under the District's Y2K umbrella and have expanded the original 16 agencies to include two more, the University of the District of Columbia and D.C. General Hospital. Our contingency planning methodology was tested in three pilots between September and December 1998, the CAD-911 Emergency Response System, D.C. Water and Sewer Authority, and the D.C. Lottery. These pilots were later augmented by an additional pilot at WASA and one at the University of the District of Columbia. The result of all three successful pilots validated our basic methodology and approach that key stakeholders must own their own contingency plans and must be responsible for developing their own contingency plans. A critical project of this magnitude and time sensitivity clearly requires a substantial commitment of management and financial resources. We now have in place a nine-member District Y2K team, led by a senior program director and staffed by senior professionals. Each staffer manages a function or area of the project, such as contingency planning or vendor management, and serves as a liaison between 10 and 12 of the District's agencies. The Y2K staff leads an IBM team of technical and functional specialists, which will grow from 250 to 325 this spring when the non-IT remediation, testing and contingency planning will be in full swing. Y2K is a complex project with an end date that doesn't move. Projects like this fail not by mountains, but by molehills. Our primary impediment is time. In a project of this size and scope and at this level of urgency, there will always be obstacles and impediments to timely progress. The very broad date-specific nature of Y2K presents hurdles over which we must consistently jump, avoiding critical slippages. This requires senior-level interventions and immediate urgent actions as we encounter the impediments. This last week is illustrative. We encountered problems that required exceptional contracting authority about which the Mayor and Mrs. Patterson have already spoken, required the need for immediate budget encumbrances to critical vendors, and required additional space for our IBM team. Through our Mayor's and through our senior management's rapid response, we were able to maintain our current progress, but we will leave this meeting and go solve two more problems of a critical nature. And so it goes, day in, day out, on Y2K. I would like to thank the chairman, the Financial Authority, the Mayor, the Council, the GAO staff, and senior members of the subcommittee for your responsiveness to our needs and concerns and for your instructive advice and encouragement. Your collective and continued support is important to our success. Mr. Davis. Thank you. [The prepared statement of Ms. Peck and the information referred to follow:] [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED]58191.022 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED]58191.023 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED]58191.024 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED]58191.025 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED]58191.026 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED]58191.027 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED]58191.028 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED]58191.029 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED]58191.030 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED]58191.031 Mr. Davis. Mr. Brock. Mr. Brock. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. Good morning, Ms. Norton. It is a pleasure to be here again. I was here in October, and I think it is fair to say I had rather a bleak message, that the District was a year behind. Unfortunately, I am coming here today, and I am saying that we have another bleak message. One of the things I would like to do, though, as I go over where the District is, is I would like to separate the status of the District with what I think is a very fine project office within the District, and I think this office is working hard, I think they are working smart, and I think they are trying to do the right things. They started late, they started working in an environment that was not well documented, where people weren't working together, and they have made enormous strides in pulling things together over the past few months. Mr. Davis. I appreciate your saying that, because we have got the best people working on this. There is no lack of confidence in anybody up here. I want to make that clear. They have just been behind the eightball on this. Mr. Brock. That is correct. Last October we made several recommendations to the District to try to make sure they kept on pace. We asked that they identify the most important operations that they had, that they ensure that business continuity plans were developed, and that they made sure that the top stakeholders of the city were involved in every aspect of the operations. The District has initiated operations across the board that were responsive to our recommendations. They have identified over 75 core business processes that are the most critical processes and over 200 mission-critical systems that support those processes. The District has developed a very detailed project plan. They have developed and tested a contingency plan methodology that I consider to be excellent. They have developed a system testing strategy, and, most importantly, and as I just mentioned, they have a good program office. But it raises a question with all those actions, where are they today? We also have a chart, and they are still a year behind; maybe, in fact, a little bit more than a year behind. I think one of the problems the District has experienced since our last testimony was the awareness phase and developing an assessment of where their key systems were took longer than expected because of a lack of documentation, and, frankly, in a few cases, a lack of cooperation by some of the city offices. It is hard to recover this lost time. The District should be in the validation and implementation phase. That is, they should have fixed their systems by now, and they should be implementing their systems. They are just now moving into the renovation phase. They have renovated about 5 percent of their mission- critical systems. They have developed six of the business continuity and operation plans that need to be developed, and only 1 of the 200 mission-critical systems has gone through the entire process and is now implemented. Our overall observations on their status is that it is still going to be very, very difficult to make up for lost time. They are on a razor's edge. Everything has to move flawlessly for the District to succeed. Their implementation schedule, as Ms. Peck mentioned, goes into October and November. If there are any problems in the testing, and most agencies encounter problems in testing, then there will be a very, very brief amount of time in which to remediate problems. To partially compensate, and I think that is all you can do at this point in time, I would like to emphasize, as did the District, the absolute imperative nature of developing good contingency plans. These contingency plans are not the responsibility of the chief technology officer. They are the responsibility of the business process owners and the key stakeholders within the District. They should very carefully lay out what an acceptable level of service is; not necessarily an optimal level, but an acceptable level of service. It needs to be funded. Those contingency plans need to be funded, they need to be ready to go, and they need to be tested. We would encourage the District to speed up an already ambitious schedule to get those done. Second, I am very pleased today to hear the Mayor and representative of the Control Board and a member of the Council vouch for their involvement in the problem. This is absolutely critical. As the District proceeds throughout the coming months, there are going to be many decisions that have to be made, many tradeoffs that will have to be reached in terms of what needs to be done first, can we let something go, can we let something slip, do we need to accelerate, do we need to put more money here or there. And these decisions, because they affect the service to taxpayers, the service to commuters, the service to citizens, are more appropriately made at the Mayor's level, at the City Council's level, at the Control Board's level, not within the Office of the Chief Technology Officer. So, in summary, the office has done a good job. I would like to congratulate Ms. Peck and her staff, but they are still behind. It is going to be tough. Mr. Chairman, that concludes my statement. Again, I am also available for your questions. Mr. Davis. Thank you very much. [The prepared statement of Mr. Brock follows:] [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED]58191.032 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED]58191.033 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED]58191.034 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED]58191.035 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED]58191.036 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED]58191.037 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED]58191.038 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED]58191.039 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED]58191.040 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED]58191.041 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED]58191.042 Mr. Davis. Let me just say to Councilwoman Patterson, I like your Y2K legislation. I think it is a good move. Maybe it will be a model for some other jurisdictions that face this. Ms. Patterson. Thank you. Mr. Davis. It is certainly in the District's interest, because it has been a tort lawyer's dream. So I just want to compliment you. I thought it was very well thought out. Let me start by asking what kind of coordinated services we are getting from the Federal Government in terms of being able to help. They have a lot of expertise. You have the Federal supply schedules, you have all of these to bear, because just stepping back and looking at this, this is almost too big for a city or a county or any one jurisdiction to handle by itself. The Federal Government has been through this for the last 2 or 3 years now. They have a group, John Koskinen who is looking this over, and I know they have offered to help and be of service. Mrs. Norton noted they added money last year, but money alone is not necessarily the only answer. There is the whole procurement cycle and expertise. Can you tell me, what is going on, or is there anything else that needs to go on? Ms. Peck. We, Mr. Chairman, are using several Federal functions to good advantage in terms most particularly of a data base that we use for vendor management for certification. We are using both the experience and the breadth of the GSA's data base for vendor management certification, as well as the city of New York's, IBM's, and one from Fluor Daniel. So we are getting very particular help federally from GSA on that dimension. We are getting help from John Koskinen's Presidential Y2K Council in that he acts as a forum through which we can come together. The next time that he is planning to get us together is March 26th for a regional Y2K contingency planning conference, and that will be sponsored in conjunction with the White House and with COG. So, most particularly in those two areas, we have been using the facilities of both the Y2K Council and of Federal activities to our advantage. Mayor Williams. I would echo that. Mr. Davis. As we look at the mission-critical priority areas, I think, Mr. Brock, you testified if things go well for the city, those areas can be fine. Obviously little things can be slipping through for years in Y2K, both in the private sector and governmental sector as we understand what the ramifications are. I am reminded of a company in England recently that lost all of their corn beef inventory because zero-zero was the expiration date stamped on the meet, and the computer read it as 1900 and thought that it was 98 years old. Unless you are an Irishman on St. Patrick's Day, it may not make any difference if you lose your corn beef, but it is indicative of how these things automatically go through, and you don't discover them sometimes until it is way too late. You saw in Europe with the Visa and MasterCards, a third of them were being rejected on Y2K issues earlier on. But as we move forward, you think the mission-critical areas, you are saying the city can still meet those? They have identified those areas; the priority areas can be met so that tourists, people working in the city, their lives should not be disrupted? Mr. Brock. Many of the mission-critical systems are not scheduled for completion of their testing until early November, late October. If these systems experience problems in the tests that require further corrective action, some of them are on a very thin margin, and that is why we would strongly recommend that these contingency plans be developed early, so that an acceptable level of service can be provided for critical city services. Mr. Davis. Let me just ask, Ms. Peck, do you agree? Ms. Peck. Absolutely. The contingency planning is an activity in general that we have brought very far forward. We have had five successful pilots. We are doing two major activities. One is a facilitation activity for these most critical 75 processes and for these most critical 16 agencies in which we personally send in a facilitation team. That team, for each of the critical business processes, is at the agency for 5 days, with the function experts at the agencies building those plans, and when that team leaves, there is a full meticulous plan. But just as you said, the responsibility for the execution and responsibility for making sure those plans are tested is with the agency, and there we are taking on the responsibility really of being the keepers of the master schedule of those contingency plans, so that we can track and report not only are the contingency plans completed, but that they have been fully tested at the agency. In addition, we have a training cycle for building those contingency plans and have trained about 300 personnel at District agencies for those elements that are not the top 16 or the top 75, so that those contingency plans can be built as well. Mr. Davis. What about the option of windowing. Those can sometimes be stopgap measures. Are we looking at that, exploring that? That doesn't solve the problem, but it gets you over a time hump sometimes for a few years. Ms. Peck. In fact, I think there is not for the past 2 years any enterprise who has done other than something called fixed windowing. Fixed windowing gives you in total a 100-year time span. So even that which is a temporary fix rather than a permanent fix gives you 100 years' time. Mr. Davis. OK. Some simple things, street lights should be working, traffic signals. Those are the kind of things that are nightmares if they don't perform on time. You will have plenty of opportunity to run checks on those and make corrections? Ms. Peck. We know now that the 1,500 intersection traffic signals that we have in the District will work on January 1st. All of the non-IT relay components in those traffic lights are being repaired on an aging basis. But we know that although there is a year component in the relays, that in point of fact the light themselves do not access that year component. Mr. Davis. Do you think---- Ms. Peck. So they would be fine even if we didn't replace them. Mr. Davis. The question then from our perspective is you have sufficient resources to do the job at this point you think? Ms. Peck. Yes, and where we do not have them, we have had powerful response from your office, from Mrs. Norton's office, from the Control Board, and we have an extraordinarily strong new advocate in the Mayor as well. Still, we lose days, but we lose as few I think as we can, and action really now is being taken quickly. Mr. Davis. And you streamlined the contracting and procurement, so when you need to get something---- Ms. Peck. That was by an order of magnitude our largest impediment, and one of the Mayor's first activities was to streamline that process. Mr. Davis. Mayor Williams, you inherit a lot of these issues when you came into office, and you just try to deal with them. How comfortable are you at this point in terms of being able to at least get the mission-critical areas resolved by the end of the year? Mayor Williams. I think, Mr. Chairman, the three things that I can do to contribute most effectively to this process is, one, to show the executive leadership at the highest level of our government that this is an important problem. And agency managers, the agency managers we are talking about, and you have seen this many times in the committee as a whole, the agency managers have to pay attention to these technological issues, these financial issues. They all roll up to the agency manager, and they have got to make this their key priority over the next year. That is No. 1. No. 2, showing from, again, this office that we are going to do everything possible, in conjunction with the Council, in conjunction with the Board, in conjunction with the Congress, to clear out the obstacles so that this project office can do its job. We have looked at her critical path, in other words, where she is now, where she needs to be, in order to get these mission-critical things going, and she is not going to make it unless she gets procurement relief. You know, some exemption from some of our normal procurement rules, and we are committed to doing that. Then, probably less glamorous, but most important, I totally agree with what Suzanne is saying and what Jack has said. We have to do an enormous job to see that all of our agencies are ready with tested contingency plans so that in the event something doesn't go right, we are ready. Mr. Davis. OK. Thank you. I yield to my ranking member, Ms. Norton. Ms. Norton. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I want to acknowledge the presence of students from the Cesar Chavez Charter School. Mr. Davis. Welcome. Ms. Norton. They have come to the Capitol as part of my D.C. Students in the Capitol Program. Here are some of them coming in, and some of them are seated---- Mr. Davis. They can sit here on the floor, if they would like. Ms. Norton. Take a seat anywhere. This program has sent thousands of students to the Capitol so that if you are born in the District, you get to see these folks who get into your business all the time in the Congress. As a native Washingtonian, I never once visited the Congress when I was going to Monroe Elementary, Banneker Junior High School, and Dunbar High. We had no Representative, we had no Mayor, we had no City Council. That is one of the reasons it has been important for me to have youngsters come here, and they have come by the thousands. It is rare that there is an actual hearing going on affecting the District. When I went out in the hall, I told them that the Mayor was here and Council Member Patterson was here and other officials, so it is rare for them to hear when somebody is actually talking about the District, and I want to welcome them again. I believe I saw statehood Senator Paul Strauss come in, and I want to welcome him as well. Mr. Davis. Let me just say, they can take seats here or come in and walk in on the other side. We will kind of relax the rules so that they can find seats on the floor. Ms. Norton. I asked them how many of them had worked on computers and how many of them knew about the Y2K problem, and they seemed very knowledgeable about the problem and its effects. We are learning more about the problem as it affects D.C. As I listened to your testimony, I found that this time the devil is not in the details. The more one hears the details, I think the greater the comfort level. Even, Mr. Brock, your recommendations tend to ask for more of the same as opposed to a breakthrough on things that the District has to do. Now, there are problems I have in translation, and I would like to ask you if you would help me translate, if Mr. Brock would help me translate. For the other text, the Mayor's testimony, though, it is approximately the same testimony as Council Member Patterson and Ms. Peck, and that is, Mr. Brock, the way you present the problem at page 6, ``According to the District's Year 2000 program manager, at this time, the District has only renovated about 5 percent of its mission- critical systems with less than 1 percent of its mission- critical systems completing validation.'' That is the kind of comment which, left by itself you are talking--and in talking to residents, I don't know if what they are supposed to do is increase the number that move out of the District or not when they read that because they don't know what that means. All right. When I looked at the Mayor's testimony, he doesn't put any spin on it, he simply says, ``Of the 336 business applications that exist in our systems''--I am here at the bottom of an unnumbered page--``and our system's inventory, 84 are Y2K ready, 117 require remediation and testing, and 135 have been remediated by their agencies and require testing only.'' I have to tell you, I can't reconcile what is being said. The average resident who is now getting greater confidence in the city doesn't know what it means, so my question is very basic. Could you translate between yourself and the Mayor's testimony and the testimony of the other actors here so we get a sense of what that means in real terms? Mr. Brock. Sure. I suspect that we are both right. We were talking about mission-critical systems in our testimony, those systems that the District had said are absolutely essential for vital service to be provided; and I believe--and I am sure that Suzanne can correct me if I am incorrect--that in her statement and in the Mayor's statement, they were talking about all the business applications systems, not just the mission-critical. So we were talking about a subset of the population that the Mayors and Ms. Peck were discussing; is that correct? Ms. Peck. Absolutely. Ms. Norton. The mission-critical systems are the ones you are focusing on now? Ms. Peck. That is correct, Ms. Norton, so that if--like they have a couple of numbers in front of me that may be the reconciling numbers. In terms of those 16 critical agencies, in terms of just their remediation and test status, they are in the first quarter of the year. Remember that because we came late, we are going to come to a tsunami-like press where we are doing so many things simultaneously, but that press comes rather late. So Jack is exactly right when he says if you looked right now, it is 5 and 1 percent. We complete assessment of all those 16 critical agencies' systems in the end of the first quarter of this year. Seventy-five percent of the remediation in the second quarter, 100 percent of the remediation in the third quarter, but the testing, the completion of the testing of all of those, 75 percent of it does not complete until the third quarter, and 100 percent of the testing of all of those critical systems does not complete until the fourth quarter. We actually are Y2K ready with all of those critical systems only somewhere between the third and the fourth quarter of this year. We come down to the fall at a gallop. Ms. Norton. Continuing the dialog between you and Mr. Brock, he says in his testimony at page 5 that--he begins, it seems to me, very fairly when he--in the section of his testimony saying the District is still behind schedule, opens by saying, ``The District's recent actions reflect the commitment to protect its key business processes from Year 2000 failure.'' Then he says--this appears to be his greatest concern: ``However, its schedule for fulfilling this commitment is highly compressed and moves through three or four phases,'' and he goes on to say what those phases are. You have just indicated that that is indeed the case? Ms. Peck. Absolutely. Ms. Norton. Do you think that there are significant risks in compressing this process, the risk of not completing it precisely because it is so compressed and it has not been drawn out because of the District's late start? Ms. Peck. One of the few happy circumstances for the District of Y2K and of the fact that the District's systems are so stovepiped and so individual is that normally you can't compress schedules because systems have dependencies on each other, and so you need to do things sequentially because of dependencies. The District's systems are so barely primitive that they don't integrate, they don't depend on each other, and you can do a lot of things simultaneously. There is not a lot of interaction among systems of an enterprise that has had a disinvestment for over a decade and a half in technology. So while there certainly is risk to do more things simultaneously, in our case, because the systems are independent of each other, have few interfaces, and have almost no interceptions with each other, the risk is relatively mitigated in doing that. If the team you have is strong, if the tools you have are strong, if the methodology you have is strong, and if you have enough of those teams set up, you can do the work in the way that we are doing it. It certainly is a greater risk than doing things sequentially because always in any project like this what you end up needing is the single thing that we don't have: time. Ms. Norton. Let the record show that this is one occasion where the District's dysfunction has worked to its benefit. Just as I needed your help in translating the difference between the way the city spoke of the problem and the way that Mr. Brock did, and learned that there is not a great deal of difference, I have to say to you that I think that with the general public, here and elsewhere, the translation problem is even greater; and of course we know that the alarmists have taken to the television waves and the rest of it. I am very concerned--first, that we understand the real problem, because I think hiding the problem or not discussing it openly is the way not to solve it; that it is most important that the public know and that this committee know. At the same time, one of the problems we have had on this--on our overall committee is that governments have found it difficult to describe the problem in such a way that the public can understand it, and understand whether it is supposed to be alarmed or not alarmed. Now, if you live in Podunk, that may not matter to you. But, if you live in the District of Columbia, where we lost three times as many people in the 1990's as we lost in the 1980's, I want to make sure that whatever signal we send out there is the right signal, not an alarmist signal, not a signal that says, continue to get the hell out of Dodge because an even worse problem is coming. Let me ask some additional problems about translation. Mr. Brock says at page 7 of his testimony, and I am looking at the second sentence, ``As a result,'' and this is the kind of generic language the public is treated to every day: ``As a result, it,'' the District, ``faces a significant risk that vital services will be disrupted.'' OK. You know, if I am Joe Blow, reading that, I really don't know, Mr. Brock, whether that means that something that already happens in the District--occasionally red lights and green lights don't work--is what you are talking about, or whether you are saying--I won't say 911 because that doesn't quite work yet--or whether you are saying that there is going to be a breakdown when I call the police when somebody is trying to get into my house or when I pull a fire alarm. So I object to this notion that vital services will be disrupted, without more detail about what we mean. I am asking whether or not this means service disruption in the way that the average citizen means it, and that doesn't mean for the average citizen a glitch or an inconvenience. The word ``disruption'' in the Y2K context means, this service will not be available to me. I would like some explanation for what you mean, and then I would like the city to indicate whether it thinks there could be minor inconveniences, or whether it thinks there will be serious service disruption of the kind that could disrupt somebody's daily life in the city. Mr. Brock. Mr. Brock. Sure. That is an excellent question. The 16 critical agencies that the city has identified all provide vital, critical services, and I'm talking about police protection, fire protection, education, a whole range of services. For many of these critical agencies, their business processes will not be tested, their systems that support those processes will not be through testing until late October. That gives the city very, very little time to implement, and gives it very, very little time to take corrective action. If they had been able to be on a schedule, they would have had almost a year to do this. Instead, they have 2 months. Ms. Norton. So it will be done, but not tested. So there could be more glitches. It will be done perhaps, but not fully tested? Mr. Brock. Well, there are opportunities for glitches in any sort of test process. Almost all the tests we look at have glitches, and they have to be corrected. I mean, that is why you test it. As a result of that, right now, I think it is impossible for the city to say, well, this is--this will be a specific problem that we face, here is a range of problems. I think as the city goes through and begins to complete the tests and develop the acceptable business continuity plans for an acceptable level of service, as the year approaches the end, they should be able to say with more certainty that we are going to have some problems here, and this is what we are doing to take corrective action. Right now, I think it is too early to say what the specific problems would be, but I don't think it is too early to say that there is a risk that is being faced here. And as a result of that risk, the city needs to make sure that they are completely involved in the problem. Ms. Norton. Mayor. Mr. Williams. Just speaking for the city, Congresswoman Norton, what we want to do is track the project. As we are tracking the project, assess the risk that we may not make it through---- Ms. Norton. Say that again. Mr. Williams. Assess the overall projects, assess the risk. We may not make it on some component of one of the critical agencies. We want to have our contingency plans ready in June, test those plans, do the necessary public education so that in the event we have a problem, we are able to do what you would call a work-around, work around the problem and provide that critical service to the citizens in whatever it happens to be. While none of them are of magnitude and severity, I would argue that many of the improvement projects in the District, we are doing work-arounds right now. We have lousy systems, not providing good information, and we basically work around them with a manual, labor-intensive process that we may have to do this year. So I am not minimizing it, I am just agreeing with the committee that we need a very, very high priority for this; as we move aggressively on this effort, that we also track the risk, have the contingency plans in place, and then do the necessary public education to make sure they work. And we welcome your oversight. Ms. Norton. I am going to turn it back to the chairman in a moment, but let me just say to you, Mr. Brock, with the resources of GAO at your disposal, I think it is time somebody looked at cities or governments where they have gone through some of this process. We have a crackerjack team here, an IBM team, who assessed how many problems they found when testing, rather than going before the public and saying, there is a risk. We are at the point when some governments have indeed gotten through this process somewhat, some of them using teams similar, if not the same teams as IBM. It is incumbent upon the GAO at this point in the process to be able to say more than you have said this morning. Whether there is some risk in the District of Columbia, I can't tell you a thing yet. These folks are doing everything they are supposed to do. So I would ask the GAO to look at some similar systems that have gone through the process to evaluate whether or not there were significant problems found when they tested the process, so as to give cities that are still in the process, to give governments still in the process, some idea of whether or not systems properly done in the hands of real experts are likely still to cause significant problems so that the public has reason to be alarmed. I just think we begin to owe it to the public at this point to say more than, ``I don't know,'' to quote a well-known figure in the District, when asked how great is the risk. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Davis. Thank you, Ms. Norton. You know, it looks to me like we have good people on this, we have a good program sitting where we are. The enemy is the clock. You know, at the Federal level they are starting testing the end of March. They have much more complex systems than we do, so they probably need more time, but we don't have the kind of margins that we would like. Even if your systems work totally, maybe the hospital or the power company, or whoever they interact with hasn't made the same kind of changes, and it would be nothing on your end that needs to be fixed. But some of the others have to be fixed, and there is another complication; that is why testing is so important. So when we look at these, we are just kind of facing the reality of here is where we are, here is what we are doing to fix it, and trying to put together--not assessing blame or anything, but just trying to say, here is the program to fix it. I have every confidence that the major issues that confront people in terms of public safety and the like, public utilities, we are going to give that a 1,000 percent effort and that those will be fixed. We don't know yet how we are going to fix them because we don't know what we need to do to fix them. But working together with the people, the groups, the systems that you interact with, I think we will be able to do that. But this is a very complicated maze of systems that we are talking about, and we are only focusing right now on the critical ones, the mission-critical ones. There are some down beneath that will affect some people--not the average tourist or commuter, but maybe somebody who is looking to get their check in the mail or trying to get a license or something--and it may not work as well. The city is not the only jurisdiction in the country; we have private organizations. Everybody is concerned about this, and all we can do is focus on the problem the best we can, try to continue to give out data as we understand it, share it with the public. We don't want to be alarmists, but we need to put our shoulder to the wheel and just move forward, and it sounds like you are doing it. Mr. Brock, you would agree at this point that we have the team in place, probably the resources in place, and if we don't, we have the wherewithal to get them, and that time is the enemy? Mr. Brock. Yes, I agree with that. Mr. Davis. I just wanted to make sure I had the understanding on that, and that there is no disagreement. We have confidence in every one of you now, we are just late; and the city has other problems, in fairness, that it needed to focus on, particularly, Tony, when you were CFO, stopping the financial bleeding and those kinds of things. I would put that ahead, on my priority list above the Y2K problem. But this is going to be a challenge to all of us in the private sector, Federal Government, and now the city, to try to get ready, and we will probably hold another hearing down the road to see how you are doing on these particular issues. Ms. Peck, let me just ask you a question. We had a report this week on the phone lines in the city that were not being utilized. Can you explain to me what that is all about? I just read the news clip on that. Were these lines that people were using, or weren't using, and we were paying for them? Were there any long-distance charges involved? Was this just lack of management, oversight, or what is your assessment on that? Ms. Peck. I guess all of the above. The District has about 26,000 phone lines. The inspector general found by statistical analysis that about 9,000 of those phones were unutilized and were being paid for. We had responded--this was his second report. We had responded to his first report with a drawing in of a breath, and then the immediate assignment of a group to go in, find those 9,000, and not only stop the charges on those, but more importantly, and as is so much in the District, more importantly, to institutionalize the control mechanism that will determine that not only those are taken away, but that going forward we don't have--we don't have new ones. So that piece of work is in progress, as is the piece of work under management reform that is replacing those obsolete dialed equipment, 8,000 of those phones. The 26,000 that we have are still rotary, were rotary phones. Now we are down to less than 1,000 rotary phones, but we now have good digital ISDM Centric, state-of-the-art technology in our phone systems, and that project is going well. In terms of just basic, primitive infrastructures for the District, so that we can operate efficiently, we are going a long way there, and with observations like the IG's, which are very helpful to us in focusing us, we will save that $1.8 million very rapidly and not incur it again. Mr. Davis. You know, in the past, when you have come up with a GAO and IG report, you would have the city on the defensive. I don't see that here. I hear, hey, we have to fix that, it is here, let's work together. I think if we work in that attitude, a lot of the problems of the city are going to be worked out. Ms. Peck. Let me say, especially---- Mr. Davis. Because things go--in a huge organization, a lot of things go wrong even when you are managing it right. It is just the nature of the beast. Ms. Peck. Jack and his group are with us, I would say, de minimis, on a biweekly basis; and I am smiling in a truly grateful way when I say the sentence to him: Probably GAO is our friend; they have pointed out to us many, many problems. Mr. Davis. I am going to quote that. Ms. Peck. They have been very helpful to us. Ms. Norton. Will the chairman yield? Mr. Davis. Stopped preaching, started meddling. Ms. Norton. Ms. Peck, GAO is paid to find problems. GAO is never your friend. Mr. Davis. ``I am from the GAO, and I am here to help you,'' is that right? Mr. Brock. That's right. Mr. Davis. Let me ask how the schools are interacting with this. Has anybody brought them into the equation at this point? Ms. Peck. All 147 of the schools--all 184 of the buildings in the public schools are in the Y2K tent, under the Y2K umbrella. Mr. Williams. We also are working on legislation in the Council that would put all of the independent agencies, the schools, everybody under the Y2K umbrella, for the reason you have identified. Ms. Norton. Independent agencies aren't now under the Y2K umbrella? Ms. Peck. Yes, they are. Mr. Williams. They are, but legislation helps to keep them under. I will put it that way. Mr. Davis. Exactly. What do you think--what has the concentrated Y2K effort in the District revealed. Do you think, in terms of the District's overall information technology system status? How will ongoing strategic approaches to information management in the District of Columbia be pursued and what are the budget implications of what you have learned during this process? I ask all of you to comment, if you care to, because you learn a lot when you go through a system like this and find out what you have. The technology in this world is moving so quickly. I have here a cell phone where I can call from anywhere in the world on this cell phone, and yet half the world's population has never made a phone call. So the technology is incredible as we work through what have you learned as you have gone through this Y2K? Can you imagine if Gilligan had this on his island? It would have lasted maybe two episodes instead of 7 years. Anyway, what have you learned? Ms. Peck. I learn the homey things, I learn the primitive things. I learn our opportunity. Our opportunity, because of the dozen years of technology disinvestment, our opportunity is to go from worst to first in one leap-frog. We didn't spend the money on technology; that is bad news. We didn't spend the money on technology; that is now good news, because we now can just make one single spend to be with everyone else. The Mayor consistently says that one of his economic development goals is for us to take our rightful place in the region as a technology partner with Maryland and Virginia and to participate in that technology richness, and we can do it in one leap now; and he means to do it, and I mean to help him. One of the--let me tell you some of the advantages that Y2K has for us, though. When I came the last time, Congresswoman Norton, I gave some of the advantages and you accused me of making lemonade out of lemons, but we really do have some lemonade to make. We have in the District right now eight individual data centers. None of them are state-of-the-art; in fact, all of them are very much below state-of-the-art. Y2K forces us-- because you can't take fixed code and put it back into bad data centers, forces us to do a data center consolidation now so that at the end of Y2K we will have emptied those, all of those data centers, and we will be to a place where we have one, single consolidated state-of-the-art data center, and much more rapidly than we would have had if we had had to have gone and convinced each agency head to give up those data centers. Mr. Davis. You are saying it may be a bumpy road, but at the end of the road you can come off better than some of the other jurisdictions? Ms. Peck. Absolutely. The whole district--another one of the Mayor's enormous focuses is services to the citizens. For us really to serve the citizens, each of those 68 agencies has to reengineer their business processes so that they can make service-level commitments to the citizens, so that when you, as a citizen, call, we say, we will call you back within 24 hours and we will have that pothole fixed in another 48. For that to happen, DPW has to totally reinvent how it works inside the agency. One of the things that the contingency planning for Y2K has done in coming in and looking at all of the business processes, and all of the agencies have done is, it has really prepared us to start to look at ourselves in that citizen-service way, and that has been very helpful. There was not, with the exception of the Office of Emergency, Office of Emergency Management, there was not a single contingency plan in the entire District. In another 8 months, we are going to have 68 of them that we know work. That is an enormous advantage to us. So there really are lots of advantages that if we had been less primitive, we wouldn't have gotten what we are getting. Mr. Davis. OK. Ms. Patterson. Ms. Patterson. Thank you. I would appreciate a chance just to respond and take off from one of the things Ms. Peck said, which was looking at the Y2K challenge as an opportunity to also look more broadly at governance issues. Just by way of example, one issue in the Y2K conversion 1 year ago today was lack of accountability for decisionmaking in that issue area. We had Ms. Peck's predecessor, there was an issue about reporting relationships and fast decisionmaking and accountability. The inspector general testified before my committee that we needed clearer lines of authority, that the chief technology officer needed to be a direct report to the chief executive officer, and you have heard the Mayor here today say that that is the case today. So that is one problem flagged through this issue, but it really speaks to some of the governance issues. Procurement is another governance issue that we have. It is my view that the buying of goods and services is an executive function, but the Council now reviews procurements. One of the things that the Mayor flagged, that we will be considering, is waiving some of that review for Y2K purchases. That is a critical issue before us now, but it is also a longer standing issue: what is the role of the legislature and what is the role of the executive as we move back to our home rule government and better define what we do. Mr. Davis. The contracting procurement obstacles obviously in this sense, I don't know if you need a legislative remedy or just kind of an agreement that we are going to waive the usual---- Ms. Patterson. We would need to legislatively waive some provisions of the Procurement Practices Act, and I think the Council is going to be asked to do that. But it is also an issue for the Congress because it is a congressional law that requires Council review of contracts over $1 million. So that may be one that the Mayor will speak with you about. Mr. Davis. We will obviously help in any way we can. Again, confidence--at least from my perspective, confidence in the team, time is our enemy on this particular issue. I don't want to get discouraged because things are going to go wrong down the road. When you try to reinvent a city, things are going to go back. You don't get discouraged. In terms of where we end up 4 years from now, or 6 years from now, that is what counts. Just don't get discouraged. GAO and the IG and these other groups some days may seem like--well, but they are all part of a process that gets us where we need to be to make a model Capital City at the end of the day. Mr. Hill. Mr. Chairman, one of the things that I think has been a by-product of what we are doing in Y2K is, that many of the agencies that really have not worked together before in trying to solve an issue have to pull together on this. As we said before, I think the alignment of procurement, the alignment of information technology, some of the crosscutting functions, all of those have to be brought to bear and aligned in order to make this work; and we have had to really stretch, I think, some of the rules that we have had in government help us make sure that some of the controls are still there. But, moving forward, I really think it has helped us to see how we can streamline government processes as well. Mr. Davis. Let me just ask a final question. I mean, all of the vendors that are doing business now, you have contractual provisions ensuring that they are going to be Y2K compliant, so if something is wrong you can hold them accountable. The Federal Government had this problem where they were doing major systems and they had no Y2K compliant clauses in the contracts, and a couple of them worked. You can imagine what that did up here. And then they found it and some heads rolled. Ms. Patterson. That is part of the legislation that we enacted which requires that compliance and a warranty for Y2K. Mr. Davis. Good. Thank you. Ms. Norton. Ms. Norton. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Ms. Patterson, the chairman has some legislation here that I believe may be similar to the District's legislation. Could you give me the bold outlines of the District's legislation, the immunity legislation? Ms. Patterson. Sure. The title was the Year 2000 Government Computer Immunity Act of 1998. The three basic provisions: it immunizes the District government against any lawsuit or any administrative action that comes out of a Y2K system failure. A second point, it bars third parties from filing lawsuits or administrative actions arising from a year 2000 failure against District government vendors if the primary cause of the Y2K failure was hardware, software or equipment owned by the District government. This is a provision that is designed to shield contractors from the District's Y2K problems and ensure that they will not charge the District higher prices as a form of protection against that conversion--against that failure. And the third provision that I just mentioned is the item in the contracts with the government themselves, where contractors will be required to include a warranty for compliance on all goods and services provided under that contract. Those are the three basic elements. Mr. Davis. If you would just yield to me for a second, but if you are PEPCO and you have a Y2K problem, I can sue the pants off you, right, for a private company? Ms. Patterson. Unless and until the U.S. Chamber of Commerce seeks some kind of help from Congress. Mr. Davis. Help is on the way for the private sector. Ms. Norton. This is more radical than the bill you were describing, Mr. Chairman. This is no suit against the District. The chairman's legislation has a cap on suits, no punitive damages. I am not sure if it is going to stand up, but I like the approach. Ms. Patterson. We were following the lead of the State of Virginia, among others, in our legislation. Ms. Norton. Of course, it is not time to sue under that yet, to see if that legislation is valid. But anyway, I like it. Let me ask a question about the $1 million cap. We put the $1 million cap into the Control Board legislation--and by the way, you waived the $1 million cap. I don't think it takes legislation up here with the $1 million cap when we were not getting the transportation money into the streets fast enough, and I do not think it takes any legislation here. But I am concerned about the cap because we didn't put the cap in because we felt a $1 million cap was particularly necessary. We put the cap in--remember, the District was insolvent for one reason and one reason only. The Congress had, residents had, and the Council had, no confidence that contracts would be done on a competitive basis and that the District would get value for its dollar; and we didn't, as a home rule matter, have any way to get into the District's business that way. So we took something that the Council had been trying to get for some time for that reason. The Council had also been trying to get it for that reason, because it couldn't get ahold of the contract process. Now, as it turns out, there is no city or State in the country that I know of--and I have asked for this to be looked at--where you had any similar provision. I have to tell you that I have been concerned about some of the ramifications, among them politicalization of the process, which is the exact opposite of what the Congress was seeking. Now we see it coming up--the notion that we have to go through a process of waiting, all I can say is, I hope it isn't holding up anything, Ms. Peck, that you have to have a piece of legislation in order to do procurement above $1 million. But I would like to ask you that question first, and then I would like to ask you whether or not this proxy for fixing the contract system is the best way to do it, or whether fixing the contract system may be better, and whether we ought to simply do away with the Control Board in any case. Ms. Patterson. I would be pleased to respond to that, if I might. I think it is very understandable why the provision was put in place in the first place, but as a by-product of procurement reform, and we are well on our way in procurement reform based on the legislation enacted by the Council in 1986 with support from the Authority that is being implemented by our chief procurement officer, Dick Fite. I think we are well on our way to improving our contracting processes, and this is a centralized, professionalized function. He serves a particular term in office, that--as we get to the end of procurement reform, and we can really say, yes, we have done it, because we are not quite there yet, but we are moving--I think it would be fair enough to say that the Council review and Council approval of contracts is no longer necessary because we have improved the entire contracting process. That would be--I would certainly support that. I don't necessarily speak for 13 Council members at this time on that issue, but my staff is also researching around the country for who has what kind of contract review and one city council did respond to us that they don't have it, but they sure would like to, for the record. Ms. Norton. We didn't mean to jump from the frying pan into the fire, and we haven't. I recognize that for the most part this has been handled responsibly, but it is just another holdup, it is another glitch. It wasn't put in there because we thought it would streamline the government; it was put in there to stop up the government, to keep the contract process from going overboard. Mr. Mayor. Mr. Williams. I agree with Councilwoman Patterson. I agree because I think, No. 1, it diffuses responsibility. You get a lot of finger-pointing. One of the reasons why we are coming in here late with Y2K is a lot of finger-pointing with diffusion responsibility in the past. You are also not able to buildup any momentum, so you are going to hold the executive branch accountable for doing a lot of stuff, you don't have any way to buildup any momentum or any velocity, but we are constantly belaboring the same issues over and over again. So I think it is a great thing for really aligning authority and responsibility the way it should be in an organization. Ms. Norton. It is a huge separation-of-powers problem. Imagine the Federal Government, I think there would be unconstitutional. Mr. Williams. Absolutely. Ms. Norton. So that we, the Congress, would have to approve anything over a certain amount that the President is willing to do. We have gotten away with it here, for what reasons I am not sure of. Ms. Peck, is this authority that you need, this waiver that you need, in any way--has it in the past or is it now holding up procurement? Ms. Peck. Absolutely. Ms. Norton. It is? Has it in the past or is it now holding up your procurement of necessary technology? Ms. Peck. Absolutely. A typical way that Kathy mentioned, Richard Fite, who is an extraordinarily professional executive in the District and who has brought procurement a long way, typical technology, and his first focus was on small purchases, because that is where the volume was; and he has done an extraordinary job there in streamlining that process. Technology's difficulty is that almost everything we buy in these days of spend is over $1 million. Here is what the chief procurement officer in the District is reduced to regularly. He will give us on our typical $15 million, $25 million contracts, he will give us his $1 million worth of authority so that we can get started, a laborious process itself; and then while we get started, we do the whole time-consuming process of coming to the--historically, the Control Board. The Control Board is very adult, has realized we should come out of that process, and they have--they are now out of that process over $1 million, but it was the Control Board and it was the Congress and it was a long process. While we started with our little nibble of the authority, the only authority he did have and as we sit here today is the only authority that he does have. Ms. Norton. So it has slowed up the process in becoming Y2K compliant? Ms. Peck. Yes. Ms. Norton. My God. And the waiver that is being contemplated would be a blanket waiver for her office; is that right? Ms. Peck. For Y2K only, for---- Ms. Norton. I mean Y2K. Ms. Peck. For time certain of the project. Ms. Norton. Another reason why the Control Board should go away a year early, because that is what this is a part of; it is a part of that statute. In terms of ordinary procurement, GSA has been helpful in the past. Once you get over this and you do the procurement, is the city's procurement system working itself so that it procures quickly? Ms. Patterson. In hearings that we had just this past week, one of the benchmarks for approving a procurement system, a procurement had averaged about 6 months, it is now down to 3 months and shrinking. So that is just one indicator. Ms. Norton. That is an important indicator. I don't know how long it should take. Let me tell you my concern. The reason I know this can be waived is that I had a real gun at my head when I asked the Congress to waive the District's share of transportation money a couple of years ago, and in return, the GAO and the committee said, well, you've got to get this work out on the street; and it was taking us 2 years, it was winter then spring by the time the work was supposed to be out on the street. It was waived, and that waiver worked well. I think it important that the Council look at whether or not such a waiver should obtain for other functions, rather than going through this process, and I am very concerned that it slowed you up at all; and two, I don't know how to compare the 3 months to what it should be someplace else. I would ask you also, Council Member Patterson, to make comparisons yourself in that score. What we found was that on transportation, it should take 45 days to get out into the streets and it took the District a couple of years to get out into the streets. So the surrounding jurisdictions can perhaps be helpful in that regard. Let me ask you about how--we have heard about how not having a system at all that was functioning has helped this process, because you had less connections to make to existing technology. Well, let me ask you how putting in a financial management system affects this process. The District has finally got a sign-off to begin doing that out of the last Congress, and of course we read, at least in the paper, about late payments to some vendors that have come back again, but this time because of the technology. Could I ask you how putting in a new system that way, a new financial management system, has correlated with this work? Mr. Williams. Well, I can speak to the financial management system. The financial management system itself is Y2K compliant so it, in and of itself, would not present a problem. The vendor payments are a concern for us, and where I don't think they are anywhere near the magnitude that has been portrayed in the press, it is a very important concern; because we fought long and hard to restore the faith and credit of the District government, and we are not going to allow ourselves to slide back anywhere near where we were. We are asking for all of our agencies, as we speak, to come forward with us. This will be available to the Council, the Authority, the Congress, the public, anybody who wants it, an ongoing report, a detailed report of where we stand with our vendor payments so that we have acknowledged them, and we can compare them where we are today with where we were last year, according to the projection, attract the number of calls that are coming into the vendor information center that we started a couple of years ago to see, you know, where we are with these problems and proactively address these problems to see that the agencies are moving more aggressively than some of them have been in finishing some of the reengineering to make this system work, in finishing some of the interface connections to make the thing work. We are cooperating with Dick Fite to see that we have connected with this new procurement system that is coming on line, in short, to see that all of these obligations of the system, the reason why we put the system in, are satisfied, and I am confident that with this concerted effort, we are going to realize the benefit that we long intended in this system, which is a streamlined process, actually better service to the vendors, and I hope within 3 months on every desk, in every agency, executive information on a real-time basis of where we stand with the budget. I am personally going to be sitting in on 6, 7 hours of training on the financial management system, as Mayor, and every agency head and program manager is going to be there with me. They are going to need to tell me why. Ms. Norton. Well, Ms. Peck, the Mayor says that the financial management system is certainly Y2K compliant, and that is one headache you don't have to have. Have you found that interfacing with that system has created a set of challenges of its own? Ms. Peck. The principal interfaces with our caps system---- Ms. Norton. I can't hear you. Ms. Peck. Our principal interface is with the cap system and with external systems, and there has--there certainly had to have been individual arrangements made for those external interfaces. But the principal internal interface works fine as well. Ms. Norton. I am not sure when people say ``by the end of the year'' whether they mean October, the end of the fiscal year, or December 31st. Ms. Peck. Our meaning is always December 31st in these conversations. Ms. Norton. Finally, just let me say again for purposes of perspective, when I look at Mr. Brock's recommendations, which is one way to zero in on whether or not there is a great deal of work to be done, or particularly new work that has to be begun, I noticed that there is not the usual long list of GAO recommendations. That also should give us some comfort. I just want to note for the record how these recommendations are framed and, I think, fairly framed. In the first line, I am quoting from page 8, that the District placed increased emphasis on--obviously the District is already emphasizing continuity of contingency plans and the rest. Second, efforts to address--must have continued top-level attention, which must mean they are already receiving that attention, that the stakeholders must participate in making critical decisions. That, no one doubts. Going on to page 9, they must continue to provide resources, you have done that; and this morning I have announced, as well, that the Clinton administration is providing additional resources to the tune of approximately $63 million and finally taken the action necessary to eliminate obstacles, and of course that has been most of what your testimony has been about. I mean, am I justified in drawing the conclusions that I have drawn from your recommendations, Mr. Brock? Mr. Brock. That is correct. We believe that the District is, in fact, carrying out the activities that we recommend. On the contingency plans--and I want to bring up this risk of failure again--the only reason you ever develop a contingency plan is, you have to assume that there is an opportunity for failure, and we would recommend that these be done as early as possible so that as risks are being able to be assessed, later on, when there is more information, that those can be factored into the plans and refined as necessary. Further, so that the top managers, many of whom are sitting at this table, have an opportunity to review those plans which are being developed in the business areas, so that the Mayor and the Council and the Control Board can look at them across the full range of city activities and say, yes, these are reasonable. As you mentioned, it is apparent from the hearing today that there is top-level attention. This needs to continue; it shouldn't slide off, it shouldn't be diverted. We are obviously hopeful that that will occur and that the resources and the barriers that have been identified today will continue to be removed, as they may act as an impediment to future correction. Ms. Norton. Thank you, Mr. Brock. And thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Davis. Well, thank you all. Without objection, all written statements submitted by witnesses will be made part of the permanent record. The record will remain open for 10 days, and the subcommittee will continue to work with all interested parties to achieve our objective. And these proceedings are adjourned. [Whereupon, at 11:25 a.m., the subcommittee was adjourned.] -